Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-07 Thread Peter B. West
Matthew L. Avizinis wrote: > >Well, now that I consider it more, I have to say that I guess I am just used >to a "corporate" way of developing software that has a definite >administrative structure and plan of action with people assigned specific >tasks. Since I've never worked on an Open Source

RE: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-07 Thread Matthew L. Avizinis
> -Original Message- > From: Keiron Liddle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:05 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project > > > > So what is your point? > > - that we need a whole lo

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-07 Thread Keiron Liddle
So what is your point? - that we need a whole lot more people working on this. We already know, either people will volunteer or they won't. - that you don't know how to help. You said you can see problems. Tell us you are going to fix those problems. Then do it. - that we need: coders, project

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Jeremias Maerki
> To make sure there is no confusion about this, could someone clarify > (once more I guess) what exactly the "main" and "maintenance" branches > are, and how to get the source code for both of them? You get the main branch by getting the sources from CVS without a tag. The maintenance branch i

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 February 2002 03:57, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >. . . > If you do some code and want to > see it added to the main or maintenance branches, then the onus is on > one or more committers to explain why it's a bad idea, but there must > be a good reason. >. . . To make sure there is no

RE: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Arved Sandstrom
-Original Message- From: Peter B. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: February 6, 2002 8:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project > As to who's in charge: Arved is the man, but Arved has recently started > a new job, so you can imagi

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Peter B. West
Matthew, Yes, we're all entitled to a little ranting now and then. So I'll rant a little, and end with a few practical suggestions. As to who's in charge: Arved is the man, but Arved has recently started a new job, so you can imagine what his current situation is. Nonetheless, he is prepar

RE: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Matthew L. Avizinis
in a doomed attempt to master a machine with a mind of it's own. --from computing: A HACKER'S DICTIONARY > -Original Message- > From: Keiron Liddle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:55 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Seeking Co

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Ralph LaChance
At 07:31 AM 2/6/02 +0100, you wrote: >I think that most people need some encouragement to take the > > plunge in murky waters and since so many seem to feel generous this week, allow me to toss my hat into the ring - we would be pleased to help out with the awt renderer and the print renderer --

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Keiron Liddle
Peter, I think that is a good idea. I would rather just focus on the redesign. If we try to explain the maintanence branch we will probably spend more time explaining what cannot be done than actually achieving anything. I will give it a go and see how things work. On 2002.02.05 23:25 Peter B

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 23:25, Peter B. West wrote: >. . . > I think that most people need some encouragement to take the > plunge in murky waters. I agree, make sense with the various offers for help that came up in the last few weeks. - Bertrand -

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-05 Thread Peter B. West
Keiron, Welcome back. Been on holidays? Looking at the number of people who have expressed an interest in being of some help, I thought it might be of some use for you or Karen, or both, to run a "school". I appreciate that many of the thorny problems with fop require the redesign, but if t

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-05 Thread Cyril Rognon
I think you are right Keiron, I would like to contribute to this software, I would of course like to begin with the code that is an issue for me but I am ready to hear where to look and what to do either in the maintenance branch or in the redesign one. (For the story, my fop issues are with m

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-05 Thread Jochen . Maes
i'm willing to help with the FOp project... but i don't know if i'm good enough to help ... anyway, just let me know on this e-mail adress: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jochen Maes EDP departement Programmeur KBC-Securities Havenlaan 16 1080 Brussel Tel : 02/429.96.81 Fax : 02/429.17.48 E-mail : [EMAIL

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-05 Thread Keiron Liddle
As far as using FOP it is still in the early development stages. So you can evaluate it and use it if it is good enough for your needs. Due to the missing features and bugs etc. it is harder to evaluate and may be a problem if you want to extend how you use it. In terms of the current develop

Beta Software was Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-04 Thread ewitness - Ben Fowler
>Pete Tribulski wrote: >> > One of our primary tenets is "no beta software should be included in >>> production applications". > >This is a problem statement for any open source software. Although a >particular version may be called a "release" in Open Source circles >this usually does mean th

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-26 Thread alex
Matt Savino wrote:: >Actually I am willing to volunteer a few hours a week towards anything >the group needs done. I know it's not much, but if there's some admin or >minor programming task that no one wants to do, etc. I think that one of the best ways anyone can contribute with just a few hour

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-25 Thread Matt Savino
Actually I am willing to volunteer a few hours a week towards anything the group needs done. I know it's not much, but if there's some admin or minor programming task that no one wants to do, etc. Matt Savino wrote: > > Thanks Alex, point taken. I would love nothing more than to help with > the

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-25 Thread Matt Savino
Thanks Alex, point taken. I would love nothing more than to help with the redesign for the challenge and experience. I think FOP is a great project that the world needs yesterday. Unfortunately my company already has too much work for me and my clone, and there's no money in the budget for a third

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-25 Thread alex
Pete Tribulski wrote: > > One of our primary tenets is "no beta software should be included in > > production applications". This is a problem statement for any open source software. Although a particular version may be called a "release" in Open Source circles this usually does mean that it is

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-25 Thread alex
At 03:37 25/01/02, Matt Savino wrote: > > Arved, thanks for the status update. Looking forward to .20.3, and would > > love to get a rough, non-binding idea when the redesign might be > > accomplished. If you ask this sort of question on any Apache project where Jon S Stevens is active you will

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project (testing)

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 25 January 2002 00:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > . . . > I am involved with the approval process for bringing new technology into > our company. We have several development groups who have seen the FOP > engine and would like to include it their applications. > . . . > One of our prim

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project (jfor integration)

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
(cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - fyi) On Friday 25 January 2002 00:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > . . . > I see some notes about the inclusion of jfor (RTF output) into the FOP > project. I think that would be really cool, and speaks very well of the > effort put in thus far. Anyone care to comment on

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-24 Thread Matt Savino
:-) > > Regards, > Arved Sandstrom > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: January 24, 2002 7:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Seeking Comments on Status of Project > > First off, thank you for what looks like

RE: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-24 Thread Arved Sandstrom
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 24, 2002 7:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Seeking Comments on Status of Project First off, thank you for what looks like a fantastic effort. I admire (and am envious of) each of you who have found the time to contribute to such a v

Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-01-24 Thread ptribulski
First off, thank you for what looks like a fantastic effort. I admire (and am envious of) each of you who have found the time to contribute to such a valuable project. I am involved with the approval process for bringing new technology into our company. We have several development groups who hav