Re: Two Frame Issues

2006-01-26 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
On 1/25/06, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with

Re: batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
Jeremy, On 25/01/06, Jeremy H. Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:44 +0100, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess one could save the old files in MIF, and load them in 7.x, but how can this be automated? DZBatcher? Any other ideas? Sure. Download the free

RE: Comparing WebWorks versions

2006-01-26 Thread Etzel, Gary
Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software, including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However, Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker v7.2. So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1. I've had several users verify that

Re: POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-26 Thread pearlrosenberg
John, Did any of the 35 who said they use the Character Catalog, especially the adamant ones, say why this method is preferred? (Sorry, I wasn't following the thread). Thanks. Pearl Rosenberg TeleHealth Services - Original Message - From: John Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our

Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
Jakob, I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to the author. I

Re: batch convert to MIF

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Art On 1/26/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files (any version) as

Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
Art, I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-) On 26/01/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jakob, I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I would submit

Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
I'm so glad that the technical ability to do it has superceded the wishes of people who are taking their time to help other list members. I'm sure I can find instructions and links on the web to crack someone's IT enterprise. That must make it OK too. --- Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Fred Ridder
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV, either), but I don't see how publication in any medium of a URL to an item in a publicly available archive infringes on the original poster's copyright. It seems to me that publishing a URL is analogous to publishing the ISBN number for a work

RE: POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-26 Thread Harvey, JonX
I can't think of a better reason than what the guide (via Rick) says. * Hi Pearl, * From the FrameMaker User Guide page 93: * Applying formats from catalogs is the easiest way to change the look of * text and to ensure that your documents are formatted consistently. This * consistency

Re: Two Frame Issues

2006-01-26 Thread Klaus Mueller
Hello Doug, Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and Style options disable and/or remove these options There's a free FrameScript RemoveFontMenu.fsl at http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc It removes the Font menu from the Format menu and all context

Re: Comparing WebWorks versions

2006-01-26 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Hello Eileen, Just today I was asked by the IT coordinator of a client, why there is an upgrade of the well-known FrameScript plug-in within just 10 months after the last version. You know the rule: Never change a running system. Why do you want/need to upgrade at all? Are there any problems with

RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Joe Malin
Dear Jakob, I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without contacting each person who signed up to Framers and asking each of them for

Re: MIF2Go Wash via MIF

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
An automated version of the two-aspirin fix: Save your problem FM file as MIF and open that file to see if the problem-causing drek has been removed... Art On 1/26/06, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, anyway? What problem

Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
Stuart...that is not even close to what I object to. Posting a fully formed URL for easier use by list members within the approved list community and posting a URL in a source I know nothing about, for use by people I know nothing about, used in a way and context I know nothing about are two

Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications

2006-01-26 Thread John Huntington
Jakob Fix wrote: Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I need: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/ And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you click on any of these links, the email is shown as [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that

RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
If it gets that far, it is only because the request that I made on this forum was ignored. Besides...that isn't extortion. That would be if I came out of nowhere and threatened harm. I'd only be responding to what I perceive as harm made first to me. going to make Jakob question how important

Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]

2006-01-26 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
U, abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ `1234567890-= [EMAIL PROTECTED]*()_+ []\ {}| ;' : ,./ ? I think that's all the characters I can type. Now that I've typed them, put it into an email and sent it to the list, please do not ever use these characters or I will come

cross-reference problem

2006-01-26 Thread Janice Cadel
We are using unstructured FM 7.0. Our book contains several chapters. The files were moved from one location to another location. When the writer opened up the book, he received an unresolved cross-reference message. He did a Search on the unresolved-cross references and re-submitted the

Two Frame Issues

2006-01-26 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
On 1/25/06, Doug wrote: > > Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it > becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing > becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an > uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with this/ >

batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
Jeremy, On 25/01/06, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:44 +0100, Jakob Fix > wrote: > > >I guess one could save the old files in MIF, and load them in 7.x, > >but how can this be automated? DZBatcher? Any other ideas? > > Sure. Download the free demo version of Mif2Go: >

batch convert to MIF

2006-01-26 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
Hi all, would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be running? I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to be available. Met vriendelijke groet / kind

Comparing WebWorks versions

2006-01-26 Thread Etzel, Gary
> Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software, > including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However, > Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker > v7.2. So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1. I've had several users verify that

unavailable figures make Frame crash

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
Rick, Shlomo, thanks for your replies. On 25/01/06, Shlomo Perets wrote: > Jakob, > > You wrote: > > >we have the following problem on a couple of machines, with different > >documents: > > > >If, on opening a file with missing figures, the user chooses to skip > >this (and possibly all other

POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-26 Thread pearlrosenb...@nc.rr.com
John, Did any of the 35 who said they use the Character Catalog, especially the adamant ones, say why this method is preferred? (Sorry, I wasn't following the thread). Thanks. Pearl Rosenberg TeleHealth Services - Original Message - From: John Wilcox Date:

POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-26 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Pearl,

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
Hello, for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris mailing list software

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. > for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful > information through this mailing list. I would like to add > references to these posts to our

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
John, On 26/01/06, John Posada wrote: > Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of > my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just as references for internal howto documents to be shared with

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
> ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links > just as references for internal howto documents to be > shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation > that will be distributed to clients, if that's > your concern. Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding. Why? you may

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Niels Fanøe
John wrote: -> Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, -> but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; -> somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the -> restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and -> doesn't know, it's just an issue

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
> Would copying and pasting into internal documetation > be any better? > I don't think so. Chances are that if the information is copied and pasted, not everything ffrom the message is included...headers, sigs, and other attributes would be stripped out. A URL includes everything. I'm not

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
John, On 26/01/06, John Posada wrote: > > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links > > just as references for internal howto documents to be > > shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation > > that will be distributed to clients, if that's > > your concern. > > Sorry,

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
> If I'd simply asked for "easy access to previous > posts via a simple one-URL-per-post scheme instead > of a long and not always successful > search in the mailing list archive", you would have > agreed, or wouldn't you? If it means a direct URL to a post by non-members out of the control

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
Jakob, I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to the author. I

batch convert to MIF

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Art On 1/26/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) wrote: > Hi all, > > would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files > (any version) as MIF without

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I need: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/ All is well now (except maybe for John P. :-)) -- cheers, Jakob.

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Jakob Fix
Art, I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-) On 26/01/06, Art Campbell wrote: > Jakob, > > I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you > will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I > would submit that because

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
I'm so glad that the technical ability to do it has superceded the wishes of people who are taking their time to help other list members. I'm sure I can find instructions and links on the web to crack someone's IT enterprise. That must make it OK too. --- Jakob Fix wrote: > Sorry, just found

Two Frame Issues

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
Doug, Although I don't recall a plug in (unless it's one of Microtype's customization tools), I think if you follow the directions in C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\OnlineManuals\Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf that detail how to modify the menu config files, you can remove whatever you

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not still copyright by the author. Art On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix wrote: > Art, > > I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. > :-) > > On 26/01/06, Art Campbell wrote: > > Jakob, > > > > I

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Fred Ridder
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV, either), but I don't see how publication in any medium of a URL to an item in a publicly available archive infringes on the original poster's copyright. It seems to me that publishing a URL is analogous to publishing the ISBN number for a work

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
> a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also > think nobody will be able to tell whether or not >I put these links in an internal > document or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). Wrong. more than once I've received real voice phone calls from people who saw my name on a post,

POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?

2006-01-26 Thread Harvey, JonX
I can't think of a better reason than what the guide (via Rick) says. * Hi Pearl, * From the FrameMaker "User Guide" page 93: * "Applying formats from catalogs is the easiest way to change the look of * text and to ensure that your documents are formatted consistently. This * consistency

Two Frame Issues

2006-01-26 Thread Klaus Mueller
Hello Doug, > Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and Style options > disable and/or remove these options There's a free FrameScript RemoveFontMenu.fsl at http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc It removes the "Font" menu from the Format menu and all

Comparing WebWorks versions

2006-01-26 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Hello Eileen, Just today I was asked by the IT coordinator of a client, why there is an upgrade of the well-known FrameScript plug-in within just 10 months after the last version. You know the rule: "Never change a running system." Why do you want/need to upgrade at all? Are there any problems

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Joe Malin
Dear Jakob, I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without contacting each person who signed up to Framers and asking each of them for

MIF2Go Wash via MIF

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Stuart Rogers
John Posada wrote: >I could get an email from > someone at your company asking for more information. > > If that happens, I WILL be contacting your legal department on > copyright infringement and I HAVE retained the posts on this thread > as proof that I don't approve of my posts being used. >

MIF2Go Wash via MIF

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
An automated version of the two-aspirin fix: Save your problem FM file as MIF and open that file to see if the problem-causing drek has been removed... Art On 1/26/06, John Posada wrote: > Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, > anyway? What problem does it fix and

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
Stuart...that is not even close to what I object to. Posting a fully formed URL for easier use by list members within the approved list community and posting a URL in a source I know nothing about, for use by people I know nothing about, used in a way and context I know nothing about are two

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Grant Hogarth
Joe just said what I was thinking -- and more articulately than I think I might have been. Jakob's thought was good, but the implementation has risks that appear not to have been thouroughly considered. (No fault there; I suspect that we've all been in that position -- I know that I certainly

add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications

2006-01-26 Thread John Huntington
Jakob Fix wrote: > Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I > need: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/ And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you click on any of these links, the email is shown as "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
This is probably all true and just a small maybe its not. However, I'll bet that Jakob's employers wouldn't want to be the subject of finding out if it is or not and should his corporate attorney receive correspondence from me, they'll going to make Jakob question how important the information in

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
If it gets that far, it is only because the request that I made on this forum was ignored. Besides...that isn't extortion. That would be if I came out of nowhere and threatened harm. I'd only be responding to what I perceive as harm made first to me. > > going to make Jakob question how

add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
> And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you > click on any of these links, the email is shown as > "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the > address... I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or process being proposed internally with me being

Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]

2006-01-26 Thread John Posada
I do. I'm sure I can find issues that you feel are important, to be trivial. However, I'll be refraining from from saying so because I also believe that people are allowed to express their concerns even if I'm not concerned about it. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for

Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]

2006-01-26 Thread Art Campbell
Bernard, I think John's point (and mine, anyway) is that information on the forum is freely given. Some/most of us are professional writers who get paid for words; if we choose to give some away in this or other forumns, that's up to us. But they're still our words and we want them to be under our

Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]

2006-01-26 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
I'm totally self employed and count on the list, the users and Framers across the planet to pay me for what I do. If they don't I can't pay the bills. This list is one way to promote myself. Again, if you don't want your words used by others, then don't post to the list. It's really not that

Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]

2006-01-26 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
Agreed. Freely given. Hence, if you get a penny it's a huge return on the investment. Besides, if people stay from others on a list like this it's pretty quickly known. There are several people on the list that I don't bother to reply to because off list others have mentioned issue that

MIF2Go Wash via MIF

2006-01-26 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:28:32 -0800 (PST), John Posada wrote: >Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, >anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? We didn't invent this, just made it a lot easier to do, as a public service (since you don't have to buy

cross-reference problem

2006-01-26 Thread Janice Cadel
We are using unstructured FM 7.0. Our book contains several chapters. The files were moved from one location to another location. When the writer opened up the book, he received an "unresolved cross-reference" message. He did a Search on the unresolved-cross references and re-submitted the

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Harvey, JonX
Your intent is to post information or a link to that information that you know is protected, without consent from the owner. You ask how much the link is worth. How much is a clear conscience worth or your reputation with the folks on this list? > How much is this link worth? And who does it

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Larsen, Seraphim L
Wouldn't the issue be with mail-archive.com, not with anyone who happens to publish a URL pointing to mail-archive.com. If mail-archive.com is archiving posts and making them public without the permission of the Framers list owners, then they are the ones in violation of copyright. Someone

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Gerald Robertson
I agree with John P.

add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications

2006-01-26 Thread Bill Briggs
At 11:00 AM -0800 1/26/06, John Posada wrote: > > And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you >> click on any of these links, the email is shown as >> "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the >> address... > >I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or

Spam from India?

2006-01-26 Thread Nandini G
I belong to the TWI (Technical Writers of India) group. Recently the moderator deplored that some spam came from the members, only to get reports from the members that their names and email addresses were used unkown to them for spamming. I can't say whether this is a case of assumed name/id. It

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Mark Levitt
John, It is highly unlikely you would have any success in suing for copyright infringement over an archive of a message you sent to a public mailing list. As the author of a text, you have certain rights regarding control over who can make copies, transcribe, etc. However copyright is not an

add Framers list to gmane.org?

2006-01-26 Thread Mark Levitt
> From: John Posada [mailto:jposada01 at yahoo.com] > This is probably all true and just a small maybe its not. > However, I'll bet that Jakob's employers wouldn't want to be > the subject of finding out if it is or not and should his > corporate attorney receive correspondence from me,