Re: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
This method is only needed, IMHO, if you want the ToC to refer to the
ToC, or if you have a very small ToC that will be sharing a page with
the beginning of the chapter.

But I agree: use only one book file.

There is also the third alternative: make the individual ToCs for each
chapter and add it to the book file before the chapter. Then you can
decide the numbering from within the book file, whether you have a
separate numbering for the ToC, like Roman numbers or the same as the
chapter, in which case you would set the chapter file to continnue the
numbering from the previous file. In the last case, you will have to
update the ToC to show the new page numbering.

HTH,

Bodvar

On 3/5/06, rebecca officer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi David

 For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the big 
 book, not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a 
 while, but found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small 
 books. Also, you have to muck with your numbering scheme. In your 
 single-chapter books, the chapter numbering needs to use read from file and 
 in your big book it needs to be continue numbering from previous file in 
 book. Then in the production process, update the big book first to get the 
 chapter numbers right. And ignore error messages about inconsistent numbering.

 Instead of this, we now create stand-alone TOCs and import them into each 
 chapter as a text inset. The book update process doesn't generate these, but 
 we have a framescript to update them in a single step. If you're interested I 
 can ask our scripter if I can pass it on to you.

 Cheers, Rebecca

  Wollenberger, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/03/06 09:52 
 I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
 beginning of each chapter.

 Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
 create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
 the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
 book that contains each of the book files.

 Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
 Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
 says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
 generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
 files. I can open these books from the master book window by
 double-clicking, no errors.

 Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
 inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
 to do this.


 Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
 that it can't be done, that would help also.


 David Wollenberger


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Re: Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:45 -0500 5/3/06, Wollenberger, David wrote:

I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
image of a mouse as the bullet.  I am hoping I can find it in a font
set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings, zapfdingbats,
symbol, cannot find it.

Does anyone know the font for this image and where it can be downloaded?

No, but I know a font site that would give you a good chance of finding it: 
http://www.dafont.com/. Go to Dingbats - Animals and search there.

Failing that, the Bingo font has a creditable mouse:

http://www.fonts.com/FindFonts/detail.htm?query=animalspid=206177page_id=4456grab_id=0

If that's no good (it looks a bit gormless, definitely not a mouse with 
attitude), just search under animals with any on-line font foundry, such as 
hht://www.fonts.com or http://www.myfonts.com. There are a lot of animal 
fonts out there.

Happy mousing ;-)
-- 
Steve
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FrameMaker 6 and Distiller font embedding problem

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
On behalf of someone on another group...

At 11:23 + 6/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with FrameMaker 6.0
and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.

I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot embed a
font because of licensing restrictions. We have purchased this font so it's a 
mystery why I get this error. I am able to create the PDF which looks
OK on my PC as I have the font but on other PCs Acrobat uses a substitute
font.

We decided to reinstall FM.  I used the FM disk to install Acrobat and
Distiller but these are earlier versions so I upgraded to  Acrobat
Professional 6.0.

Unfortunately FM doesn't offer Distiller as a printer option now. I use
Adobe PDF instead to create the PS file and then use Distiller to create
the PDF but I still have the font licence problem. I can live with not
having Distiller as a printer option but I really need to sort out the
font problem.

Any ideas?

-- 
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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Frank Harper
David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the 
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with 
a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to include the 
paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are updated just like 
any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special 
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into the 
chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the TOC, 
regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this method 
requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

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To: 'Wollenberger, David' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Framers (FrameMaker List)' 
Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

Hi,

I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...

Thank you,
 
Shall Close,
 
Regards,
 
David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
www.fiorano.com
 

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Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.
 

David Wollenberger 


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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread davidaflynn
Hi Frank,

That was informativethanks for sharing it with me !

Thank you,
 
Shall Close,
 
Regards,
 
David Flynn
Technical Writer
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Extn: 220
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Wollenberger,David'; 'Framers (FrameMaker List)'
Cc: Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab
with a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to
include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are
updated just like any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into
the chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the
TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this
method requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

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To: 'Wollenberger, David' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Framers
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Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

Hi,

I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...

Thank you,
 
Shall Close,
 
Regards,
 
David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
www.fiorano.com
 
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
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Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.
 

David Wollenberger 


ca

Technical Writer 
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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Martinek, Carla
We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
mini-TOC against the bookmarks in the PDF as I'm reviewing it.

-Carla
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Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Sindhu tw
Hi,


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.

Thanks in advance.


Regards,
Sindu
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Re: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Yves Barbion
Another option is to use the ChapterTOC Framescript, an inexpensive plug-in.
Works like a charm, also on a book level.

You find it here: http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm
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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
As do we. But we automate the mini-ToC by using FrameSLT, from West
Street Consulting. Once you set it up, it will build such a list of
cross-refs with a couple of clicks. Structured documents only, though.
Before we started using it, discrepancies between the mini-ToC and the
rest of the doc were common (but hopefully caught during the review
process!); now they're not an issue.

Roger Shuttleworth
Documenation Team Lead
Activplant Corporation
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London, Ontario
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Canada
Tel. 519 668-7336
Fax. 519 668-3227
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We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
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RE: Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Anne Robotti
 Failing that, the Bingo font has a creditable mouse:
 

http://www.fonts.com/FindFonts/detail.htm?query=animalspid=206177page
_i
 d=4456grab_id=0

Steve, I looked at the Bingo font and I agree, the mouse lacks verve.
But I *love* that pushpin! 

Does anyone know what if any licensing issues might arise if I bought
the font, tweaked that pushpin with some color, etc, and used it as an
Info graphic? Or if I buy the font can I do whatever I want with it?

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Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread DeFlorio, Dominick
Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit.

Anyone else getting this error/crash?  I experience it daily since our
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RE: Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread David Schor
Sindu,

Check out Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) which is an excellent tool for
creating, updating and maintaining indexes in FrameMaker, and has a
trial version.
Alternatively, there are Indexing tools by Silicon Prairie Software
(http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), which I am less familiar with.

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Hi,


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the
same.

Thanks in advance.


Regards,
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Re: Tables

2006-03-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
If the first row that is on the next page is too big to be placed on
the page it breaks from it is normal. However there could be a setting
in the Table Designer setting Orphan rows to something more than 1,
that could be affecting the behaviour of your table.

Bodvar.

On 3/5/06, Shmuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have some tables that are not breaking properly across pages, meaning
 there are a few rows on one page and the rest on the next page. What can
 be causing this? I checked the paragraph formatting and it's defined as
 Anywhere.

 Any ideas?

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RE: Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
There's also http://www.emdex.ca to consider.

Bernard

 

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Sindu,

Check out Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) which is an excellent tool for 
creating, updating and maintaining indexes in FrameMaker, and has a trial 
version.
Alternatively, there are Indexing tools by Silicon Prairie Software 
(http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), which I am less familiar with.

David Schor
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Hi,


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it 
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.

Thanks in advance.


Regards,
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RE: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
Have you patched to the b144 patch? That may help. You may also want to try 
(weird as it sounds) to search using Find Backward.

b144 is here http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3186

Bernard

 

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Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a serious 
problem and must quit.

Anyone else getting this error/crash?  I experience it daily since our upgrade 
to 7.2.
 
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389

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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Niels Fanøe
We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's second method below), but we use 
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.

-Niels

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- David,
- 
- There are two methods I have used. 
- 
- First is to use the cross-reference feature - place 
- cross-references to the headings you want for your TOC. 
- Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with a leader for 
- the page number. Define the cross-reference format to 
- include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page 
- numbers are updated just like any cross-reference.
- 
- The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC 
- using the Special menu. This generates a separate file. 
- Import the TOC file by reference into the chapter at the 
- point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the 
- TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. 
- Unfortunately, this method requires manual steps, so I 
- prefer the first method.
- 
- Good luck,
- Frank Harper
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- 
- Hi,
- 
- I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of 
- contents in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only 
- display all 
- H1 cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
- 
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- I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
- beginning of each chapter.
- 
- Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to 
- create a book for each chapter. These books would contain 
- nothing but 
- the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a 
- master book that contains each of the book files.
- 
- Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I 
- attempt to 
- Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During 
- Searches, 
- FM says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, 
- FM says it 
- cannot generate because the master book file contains no openable 
- non-generated files. I can open these books from the master 
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- 
- Another approach would be to figure out some way of 
- including the TOC 
- inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I 
- would get FM 
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- 
- 
- Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you 
- can confirm 
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RE: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread DeFlorio, Dominick
I'll try both.  Thank you.
I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a Find.



Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389


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To: DeFlorio, Dominick; framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

Have you patched to the b144 patch? That may help. You may also want to
try (weird as it sounds) to search using Find Backward.

b144 is here
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3186

Bernard

 

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Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit.

Anyone else getting this error/crash?  I experience it daily since our
upgrade to 7.2.
 
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389

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RE: Bullet points

2006-03-06 Thread Rita Muller
Hi Sonia,

A wise, wise teacher once said to me, the only stupid question is the one
that doesn't get asked. ;-)

You've gotten great advice so far on your question, and I'd like to add my
two cents method if I may. If you are at all familiar with a graphics
program like Photoshop, you can make a bullet point exactly as you'd like,
then save it in whatever extension you use for your screen captures. That
way you can import your custom made bullet point from FileImport over and
over again, and shrinkwrap where you'd like. IMHO, this is the fast and easy
way, and I've had excellent results with it.

To Grant and Roger, thanks so much for your input guys. I've copied both to
my personal FrameMaker tip sheet.

Rita
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Hi Guys,

Another potentially stupid question but here it goes anyway.

Is there a way of completely customise bullet points in FrameMaker to
the extent of making the actual bullet (but not the text that follows)
larger and also to widen the distance between bullet and text that
follows?

Many thanks again

Kind regards

Sonia



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RE: Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:47 -0500 6/3/06, Anne Robotti wrote:

Does anyone know what if any licensing issues might arise if I bought
the font, tweaked that pushpin with some color, etc, and used it as an
Info graphic? Or if I buy the font can I do whatever I want with it?

To the last, almost certainly 'no'. Font license terms vary a lot, but one 
thing you certainly don't get is the right to do whatever you like with a font. 
The most general set of restrictions (from the main font houses) confine your 
use to one site, n users (often 5), no modification, no reverse engineering, 
no distribution.

Of course, these might be relaxed in the case of a 'novelty' font, but fonts 
are copyright just like any other artistic creation.

Here are URLs for sample license terms from Monotype and Linotype:

http://www.fonts.com/Legal/MI-EULA.htm

http://www.linotype.com/1710/licenseagreement-folder.html?PHPSESSID=228640c356f7ac9e46f2478a2ff21c09

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Re: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread Art Campbell
You could also try the older fix of having all files open on your
desktop when you start the FR. This eliminates delays and timeouts
when working with files over a network.

Art

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 I'll try both.  Thank you.
 I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a Find.


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RE: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread DeFlorio, Dominick
I typically open all files in a book when I first open Frame.  The error
usually occurs the first few times I search, and continues to be a
problem until I save during a search.


Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389


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Subject: Re: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

You could also try the older fix of having all files open on your
desktop when you start the FR. This eliminates delays and timeouts when
working with files over a network.

Art

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 I'll try both.  Thank you.
 I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a
Find.


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Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
Hello Framers

 

Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was 7.1p114
as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying to
install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits with
an error message:

 

You do not have correct version of FM install on your system. This patch
installer will work only with Version 7.1b023 or 7.1p114 build. Patch
installer will quite now.

 

I uninstalled Distiller 6.0 and Adobe Reader 7.0 and tried again, but
got the same message. Before I bite the bullet and reinstall Frame (and
several plugins), does anyone have any ideas how to get around this? And
in any case, is the original 7.1 version (on the CD) one of the versions
mentioned?

 

Thanks.

 

Roger

 

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Re: Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Shlomo Perets

You wrote:


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.


Links to reviews of Index Professional, IXGen and emDEX can be found at 
http://www.microtype.com/links.html



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Re: Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Yves Barbion
Indeed, Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) is great! It has become one of those
indispensable Framemaker plug-ins, not just to create indexes, but also to
manage other markers, for example TopicAlias markers which we use for the
context-sensitive Help.

--
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Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor


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Re: Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Scott Prentice
And, there's also MarkerWorker and Marker Madness. All of the
indexing/marker tools mentioned so far are listed in our Tool Search
database (with prices and descriptions for quick review). See ..

http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/?kwds=marker

Cheers!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com


 You wrote:

  Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
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Text Inset Problem

2006-03-06 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
I've imported a document (FileImportFile) and the table borders are 
not the same as in the original document. I selected to retain the 
original formatting and it's still the same problem.


Is there any way to fix this? I noticed that Frame table borders seem 
buggy. Is this a bug or a feature?


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Local TOCs in structured documents

2006-03-06 Thread Lynne A. Price

Good morning,

  Since there's an ongoing thread on chapter TOCs, I thought I'd share an 
idea I had recently. In a book with numerous chapters, it is a pain to 
remember to generate the local TOC for each chapter. A minor tweak to the 
EDD, and a slightly strained structure, allows me to build them in a single 
book.


  In particular, I've defined a choice attribute on the chapter element 
that serves as a code name, with arbitrary values (say, flower names), 
making sure that I've defined more values than there will ever be chapters 
in an actual book. The EDD then assigns context labels for each element 
that I want in the chapter TOC based on the possible values of this 
attribute. For example, Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection might each 
have context labels Daisy, Tulip, Rose, and so forth. If I use a generic 
Section element that can be nested within itself, I might give it context 
labels like Daisy1, Tulip1, Rose1 for the first level, Daisy2, Tulip2, 
Rose2 for the second level, etc.


  If I assign the code name Daisy to a particular chapter, I set up its 
TOC to include only Section(Daisy), Subsection(Daisy), and so on. I've used 
code names instead of numbers because I don't want to associate the 
selection with the order of chapters in the book. With the code names, I 
can reorder the chapters in the book, or add new ones in the middle without 
the identification becoming confusing. I could have used a unique ID 
instead of a choice attribute, but I wanted the EDD to list the values used 
by the context rules that assign the context labels.
Not very efficient--FM scans every file in the book to build the TOC for 
each chapter, but it works.


  In practice, I actually assigned all the context labels to the Title 
element rather than the Section element. My Title element doesn't have an 
ID attribute, but the Section element does. Thus, I can use the context 
labels on the Title element to set up the chapter TOCs without having them 
clutter up the cross-reference dialog box. I use context labels on Section 
for cross-referencing.


--Lynne


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RE: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
 Dear David,

I don't know of a good option. The standard you seem to be working from
isn't one that I've heard of. Every mainstream style guide I've seen
says that front matter should be numbered separately from the body. That
means that your chapter 1 should start on page 1 according to
commonly-accepted standards. The FM architecture is designed to conform
to those standards. I seriously doubt they'll change it, though I agree
that the numbering and the format shouldn't be connected.



===
Aside:

By the way, Chicago's style does this because they assume that front
matter will change after the body text has been paginated, so removing
the dependency makes sense. In modern, computer-paginated technical
manuals the dependency may no longer exist. Recognizing this, I have
chosen to number from the first page of the front matter in Arabic. One
benefit of this is that Adobe PDF versions of my books match the PDF
page number to the printed page number!

Keen readers of Chicago's online QA will recognize this issue from last
month; I was the one who asked the question. Alas, they didn't quite
understand my point. The standard of numbering front and back matter
separately from the body makes sense in a traditional world, and I
suppose that it should be the standard if you are going to have only one
single standard to cover every situation. But in a book generated from
FM, where one can re-paginate at the click of a button, I think the
standard has no useful purpose.

Joe Malin
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Subject: Page Numbering Properties

Using FM7.0p578 on WinXP

I have a situation which I don't think is so unusual, and yet I can't
seem to figure out how to get FM to handle it. 

Our TOC page numbering begins on iii and goes as long as it has to,
ending on an even page.

Our Chapter 1 begins on the next page after the TOC page. So if the TOC
is eight pages (iii-x), then the first page of Chapter 1 is 11.

Looking at FM's Numbering Properties dialog, Page tab, at first glance,
it would appear that I need to use Continue Numbering from Previous Page
in Book, but then the first page in Chapter 1 is numbered xi, even if I
set it to Numeric.  

To my knowledge, the only way around this problem is to use First Page
and manually set the value to number of pages in TOC + 3, in this 11,
and set the style to Numeric.

This solution becomes cumbersome when publishing conditional books.  For
example, I need to produce six books from the same set of source files.
The number of pages in the TOC can change from 6 to 8 to 10 depending on
which book I am publishing, so I have to manually reset the Page
Numbering Properties for Chapter 1 each time I publish version of the
book.

From my perspective, I could solve this if my company changed its
numbering standard to restart numbering on the first page of Chapter 1.
Unfortunately, that is not an option.

From FM's perspective, FM could solve this if the format (roman vs.
arabic) was not connected to restarting the page numbering, that is, you
shouldn't only get to change the format if you are restarting, you
should also get to change it if you are continuing. 

Does anyone know if there is another solution I have not considered, or
if not, has this been fixed in FM7.2?  Or if anyone from Adobe is
reading this, will it be fixed in the next release (please).  
 

David Wollenberger 


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RE: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Peter Gold

Hi, folks:

When this thread came up the other day, I thought hmmm... that's 
interesting, and let it go. But now that it's gathering momentum, I 
took another look.


A quick look at several Adobe Classroom In A Book titles, the revered 
all-time best FrameMaker 5.5 User's Guide, FrameMaker 7: The 
Complete Reference, and Richard Hendel's On Book Design, all use 
lowercase Roman numbers for front matter, and restart body matter at 
page 1 in Arabic style. Some other non-technical books I scanned 
either do not number front matter pages at all, and begin body matter 
at page 1, or number front matter from page 1 and continue through 
body matter.


So, David's approach doesn't seem rare or odd. I don't have FM 
earlier than 7.x installed, so I can't test this, but my first 
reaction to David's original post was, I thought you could do that 
in FM. Perhaps this has changed since some earlier release. Anyone 
care to test it and let us know?


It's likely that quoting authorities on one or the other side of the 
issue won't resolve the matter any more than the recurring threads on 
how many spaces should appear between sentences, or are the widows 
the ones left stranded at the end of a text frame, or are those the 
orphans, or maybe it's only a line consisting of a single word left 
behind or pushed ahead?


David's suggestion to enhance FM so the user can choose to change 
numbering styles is worth posting to the feature request forum. 
InDesign permits this.



I don't know of a good option. The standard you seem to be working from
isn't one that I've heard of. Every mainstream style guide I've seen
says that front matter should be numbered separately from the body. That
means that your chapter 1 should start on page 1 according to
commonly-accepted standards. The FM architecture is designed to conform
to those standards. I seriously doubt they'll change it, though I agree
that the numbering and the format shouldn't be connected.




I have a situation which I don't think is so unusual, and yet I can't
seem to figure out how to get FM to handle it.

Our TOC page numbering begins on iii and goes as long as it has to,
ending on an even page.

Our Chapter 1 begins on the next page after the TOC page. So if the TOC
is eight pages (iii-x), then the first page of Chapter 1 is 11.

Looking at FM's Numbering Properties dialog, Page tab, at first glance,
it would appear that I need to use Continue Numbering from Previous Page
in Book, but then the first page in Chapter 1 is numbered xi, even if I
set it to Numeric. 


To my knowledge, the only way around this problem is to use First Page
and manually set the value to number of pages in TOC + 3, in this 11,
and set the style to Numeric.

This solution becomes cumbersome when publishing conditional books.  For
example, I need to produce six books from the same set of source files.
The number of pages in the TOC can change from 6 to 8 to 10 depending on
which book I am publishing, so I have to manually reset the Page
Numbering Properties for Chapter 1 each time I publish version of the
book.


From my perspective, I could solve this if my company changed its

numbering standard to restart numbering on the first page of Chapter 1.
Unfortunately, that is not an option.


From FM's perspective, FM could solve this if the format (roman vs.

arabic) was not connected to restarting the page numbering, that is, you
shouldn't only get to change the format if you are restarting, you
should also get to change it if you are continuing.


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Re: Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Andrew Becraft

Hi Sindu,

I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of people recommending 
IXgen. IXgen automates so many repetitive indexing tasks that I 
literally cannot imagine creating an index in a FrameMaker book without 
IXgen. I actually included the cost of IXgen as part of the FrameMaker 
package when I proposed a switch from our previous tool here at my 
current company.


Human review and manipulation of the index IXgen creates is absolutely 
necessary, of course, but IXgen includes many features that make these 
tasks much more efficient. In addition to generating index markers 
based on paragraph formats, character formats, keywords, and other 
elements, you can use IXgen to generate variations (permutations) of 
each entry, split concatenated entries, and so on.


I'm not familiar with Index Professional, but I highly recommend IXgen.

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Singlestep Technologies

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Hi,


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the 
same.


Thanks in advance.


Regards,
Sindu


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RE: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
I'm confused.

Peter's survey shows exactly what I would expect:

1. some books use lowercase roman for front matter and then restart at 1
in Arabic for the body.
2. some books don't number the front matter, and then start at 1 in
Arabic for the body.
3. a few books have chosen the approach I am now taking; they start
numbering front matter at 1 and then
   continue through the body.

The only difference between what Peter described and what I'm doing is
that he doesn't mention the *format* use for style 3. I use Arabic
throughout.

FM can handle all three options, *if* option 3 uses the same number
formatting in front matter and body. If David's standard has to be used,
then FM won't work.

My own idiosyncratic opinion is that the standard David is using doesn't
make much sense. Why should one *format* front matter numbers
differently from body numbers, if they form a single sequence? The idea
of using different formats makes sense only if the sequences are
*different*.

If you had two numbering sequences, both in Arabic, simply telling them
apart within the book would be hard. Citations would be impossible, as
would indexing. But for one sequence, having a different format seems
only to differentiate between front matter and body. I'm not convinced
that this is necessary.

But, as Peter implied, I'm more interested in this as an entertaining
examination of the standard and not as a solution to David's problem.
That's why most of my message was an aside. I agree with Peter that FM
ought to provide the ability to separate page sequences from page
sequence formatting.

 

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-Original Message-
From: Peter Gold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:22 AM
To: Joe Malin; Wollenberger, David; Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Properties

Hi, folks:

When this thread came up the other day, I thought hmmm... that's
interesting, and let it go. But now that it's gathering momentum, I
took another look.

A quick look at several Adobe Classroom In A Book titles, the revered
all-time best FrameMaker 5.5 User's Guide, FrameMaker 7: The
Complete Reference, and Richard Hendel's On Book Design, all use
lowercase Roman numbers for front matter, and restart body matter at
page 1 in Arabic style. Some other non-technical books I scanned either
do not number front matter pages at all, and begin body matter at page
1, or number front matter from page 1 and continue through body matter.

So, David's approach doesn't seem rare or odd. I don't have FM earlier
than 7.x installed, so I can't test this, but my first reaction to
David's original post was, I thought you could do that in FM. Perhaps
this has changed since some earlier release. Anyone care to test it and
let us know?

It's likely that quoting authorities on one or the other side of the
issue won't resolve the matter any more than the recurring threads on
how many spaces should appear between sentences, or are the widows the
ones left stranded at the end of a text frame, or are those the orphans,
or maybe it's only a line consisting of a single word left behind or
pushed ahead?

David's suggestion to enhance FM so the user can choose to change
numbering styles is worth posting to the feature request forum. 
InDesign permits this.

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RE: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Peter Gold

Hi, Joe:

At 10:40 AM -0800 3/6/06, Joe Malin wrote:

I'm confused.


Sorry if I confused you by not being explicit about the examples of 
book numbering that I referred to that  begin body matter at page 1, 
or number front matter from page 1 and continue through body matter. 
I should have said, ...number front matter from page 1 in Arabic 
style and continue in Arabic style through body matter.


BTW, I didn't look at the numbering of back matter, index or appendix pages.


Peter's survey shows exactly what I would expect:

1. some books use lowercase roman for front matter and then restart at 1
in Arabic for the body.
2. some books don't number the front matter, and then start at 1 in
Arabic for the body.
3. a few books have chosen the approach I am now taking; they start
numbering front matter at 1 and then
   continue through the body.

The only difference between what Peter described and what I'm doing is
that he doesn't mention the *format* use for style 3. I use Arabic
throughout.

FM can handle all three options, *if* option 3 uses the same number
formatting in front matter and body. If David's standard has to be used,
then FM won't work.


FM *can* perform what David and many others prefer or are required to 
do, just not completely automatically. What makes this really 
annoying is that FM does so many other things so well, you'd expect 
it. Again, perhaps this is a change from pre-release 7.x; anyone care 
to test and report?

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RE: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Anne Robotti
 But, as Peter implied, I'm more interested in this as an entertaining
 examination of the standard and not as a solution to David's problem.
 That's why most of my message was an aside. I agree with Peter that FM
 ought to provide the ability to separate page sequences from page
 sequence formatting.

Well, I'm not really following the whole this makes no sense but Frame
should do it anyway debate, but I just wanted to mention to David that
you can, in fact, do this.

There are a couple of caveats:

1. You can only change the numbering format in consecutive chapters, at
the beginning. It might work for the end, but I didn't try it.
2. If you do any chapter after the TOC, I think it will screw up your
numbering for the TOC.
3. I still have no idea why you'd want to do it.

But anyway, here's how:

1. Set the Numbering properties for the book as follows:

Title Page: First Page 1, Arabic
All other chapters including TOC, Continue Numbering, Arabic

2. Update the book.

3. Update the Title Page numbering to First Page 1, roman i

4. Update the TOC numbering by deleting the number in the Start on Page
box, changing the numbering style to roman i and checking the continue
from prev checkbox.

5. Print the book.

It's klunky as hell, but it does work.

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Re: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Wickham
Adding to the discussion, The Chicago Manual of Style gives the traditional 
reason for numbering front matter and main text separately in both form and 
count:


The front matter of a book, especially in the United States, is paginated 
with lowercase roman numerals for some of these pages (for example, 
preface, acknowledgments, and dedication) may be expanded or even added at 
the last moment. If arabic numbering were to begin with the half title, no 
page could be added to the front matter once the book was in page proofs.


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Re: Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Rogers

Wollenberger, David wrote:

I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
image of a mouse as the bullet.  I am hoping I can find it in a font
set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings, zapfdingbats,
symbol, cannot find it. 



A PC mouse or a rodent mouse??

If a PC mouse, both Wingdings and Wingdings2 have it as a character.
Wingdings, type numeral 8.
Wingdings2, type a colon or semicolon.

HTH,

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RE: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
Definitely interested! I can do good beta testing for you, since I'm a
former software engineer.

I will warn you in advance that you might have to wait a while before my
company invested actual money in anything. Our motto is definitely free
is better. You can understand that a small startup relies on more hours
from each employee than on any productivity enhancement that is an
expense.

Joe


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Subject: RE: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

Hi all:

I've just finished the first solid draft of our FrameDITA-lite
application for use with FrameMaker and DITA. It is built to work with
Frame 7.2, but the bulk of it should also work with 7.0 and 7.1.

It's not the most stunning tool ever, but it is a pretty solid XML and
FrameMaker utility that has about 40 pages of documentation that walks
you through installation, tutorials, testing and more.

It may be something that a single writer can consider as a solid
starting point for single sourcing. The price on it is perfect for the
lone writer (or the mega corporation) as it's free. I'm giving it away.

With this application and some very cool (and affordable) tools by West
Street Consulting (http://www.weststreetconsulting.com) a lot of the
ideas for single sourcing are addressed that can help the smaller
company as well as the largest. It allows for granular reuse of
paragraphs, sections, topics, tasks and so on. It also provides the
ability to export to DITA compliant XML. The formatting and layout can
be tweaked with relative ease if you know FrameMaker and the EDD
environment. If not, I also provide some online support and consulting
on it.

I've sent the file to a few people on the various lists already and will
continue to do so over the weekend, but if you are interested in being a
part of the beta team to test it, please let me know.

My goal is to have this ready for general use before the big DITA
conference this month (http://conf.travelthepath.com if you are
interested in more info) so that I can show it to anyone who asks while
we are there.

Again, if you are interested in beta testing, please email me off list
and let me know. I'd love to have input on this and get it solid enough
that everyone can take advantage of a working file set for use with
FrameMaker and DITA.

Thanks,

Bernard



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Hi!
 
I am looking for experiences and advice about using DITA from tech
writers who are familiar with real success stories.
 
I'm the only tech writer here at TuVox, a 70-person startup. I am
seriously considering using DITA as the basis of a single-source
structured documentation environment. The reasons I want single-source
and structure are 

*   re-use, to avoid duplication
*   multi-channel delivery: ability to re-structure help systems
into documents
*   localization/customization: ability to tailor documentation to
individual customers
*   quick, iterative delivery: respond quickly to emerging needs 

From what I know of DITA, I think it matches these requirements pretty
well.
 
I know XML and I've used it with structured FM since FM6+SGML. I'm also
familiar with the conversion issues. I'm technically savvy (I'm a former
software engineer). However, I don't know everything there is to know
about DITA or XSLTs.
 
Does it make sense for a lone writer in a startup to use DITA? Will I
need lots of high-priced consultant help? Am I walking into a morass? I
have to tell you that I think DITA would help us, but I'm *really*
unfamiliar with trying to pioneer such an idea in a small company that
wants to save money anywhere it can.
 
Joe
 
TuVox, Inc.

19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

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Re: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Rogers

Joe Malin wrote:


Keen readers of Chicago's online QA will recognize this issue from last
month; I was the one who asked the question. Alas, they didn't quite
understand my point. The standard of numbering front and back matter
separately from the body makes sense in a traditional world, and I
suppose that it should be the standard if you are going to have only one
single standard to cover every situation. But in a book generated from
FM, where one can re-paginate at the click of a button, I think the
standard has no useful purpose.

I disagree. From a writer's or publisher's perspective, you are correct 
that page numbering is no longer a technical or practical problem... But 
from a READER's perspective, separate (roman) numbering for front matter 
is valuable because it helps the reader navigate the book. If you're on 
page 81 and you want to turn to the first page of the first chapter, you 
turn to page 1 in a traditionally-numbered book. In your continuously 
numbered example, you either hunt at random, or hunt for the first page 
of the TOC and then hunt for page 19 or whatever it happens to be. Also, 
readers have simply come to expect that front matter will be numbered 
differently from the body of the book, and seeing a departure from that 
tradition simply detracts from the professional impression and/or 
credibility of the work.


There's lots of examples of traditions in methods and naming that are 
technically outdated, yet still meaningful and useful. When was the last 
time you actually heard a phone ring?


(And although you are cc'd in the address line, no carbon copies were 
harmed in the making of this message ;-)


sr

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Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Art Campbell
Roger, before I did anything dramatic like taking off unrelated software

First, it'd be good that you confirm that you're trying to install as
a user with
Admin privileges, and also that you're the same user who installed the
first version.

If there's anything unusual there, I'd try booting into protected mode
and installing as
the Administrator.

Art

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 Hi Art

 Yes, I re-booted after removing Distiller and AR 7.0 (each time).

 I see your point about the CD. The problem is, Adobe do not have a p114
 patch on their web site, and I need to ensure that I can get to a
 genuine p114 before installing the p116 patch.

 Perhaps it's time to talk to Adobe.

 Thanks for your help.

 Roger

 Roger Shuttleworth

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 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116

 In all this installing and uninstalling, you are rebooting whenever
 you're making a
 major change, right? So the software can reinitialize?

 Also, so far as the CDs are concerned, I'd be surprised if Adobe didn't
 update
 their shipping CDs on a rolling basis so that the latest  greatest
 version was
 going out the door. So the version on your CD probably has more to do
 with
 the date it was burned than with a planned delivery of a certain build.

 Art

 On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Framers
  Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was
 7.1p114
  as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying to
  install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits with
  an error message:
 
  You do not have correct version of FM install on your system. This
 patch
  installer will work only with Version 7.1b023 or 7.1p114 build. Patch
  installer will quite now.
 
  I uninstalled Distiller 6.0 and Adobe Reader 7.0 and tried again, but
  got the same message. Before I bite the bullet and reinstall Frame
 (and
  several plugins), does anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
 And
  in any case, is the original 7.1 version (on the CD) one of the
 versions
  mentioned?


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RE: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
Good points. In a message that crossed paths with yours, I granted that
the current standard fits all situations, and is therefore most
familiar. Perhaps it also adds credibility.

I would like to point out, though, that the argument about navigation is
a stretch. Most books also feature running headers and footers that
assist in navigation. You can easily navigate to the first page of the
first chapter, but once you start looking for the first page of the
*second* chapter, no numbering scheme helps. That is, no scheme works
unless you use chapter-page numbering, which I do not like all that
much.

Your argument also assumes that one is reading a paper version of the
book. In an online book, the reader might find it easier to go to a
particular page with some command built into the reading software.
*THAT* is where the problem really lies. In the text, the author refers
to page 58. The reader uses the command to go to page 58, but the
software is not aware that the first 10 pages of the file are numbered
i-x. The jump to page 58 actually yields page 48!




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Cc: Joe Malin; Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Properties

I disagree. From a writer's or publisher's perspective, you are correct
that page numbering is no longer a technical or practical problem... But
from a READER's perspective, separate (roman) numbering for front matter
is valuable because it helps the reader navigate the book. If you're on
page 81 and you want to turn to the first page of the first chapter, you
turn to page 1 in a traditionally-numbered book. In your continuously
numbered example, you either hunt at random, or hunt for the first page
of the TOC and then hunt for page 19 or whatever it happens to be. Also,
readers have simply come to expect that front matter will be numbered
differently from the body of the book, and seeing a departure from that
tradition simply detracts from the professional impression and/or
credibility of the work.

There's lots of examples of traditions in methods and naming that are
technically outdated, yet still meaningful and useful. When was the last
time you actually heard a phone ring?

(And although you are cc'd in the address line, no carbon copies were
harmed in the making of this message ;-)

sr

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RE: Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
Hi Art

Actually, uninstalling Distiller is recommended in the documentation for
the p116 patch, so it doesn't come in the unrelated software category.
And I do have Admin rights on this machine.

Anyway, I spoke to Adobe, and after being passed around for 50 minutes
the suggestion was (i) to re-boot with only MS services loading, or (ii)
reinstall FM. The first option accomplished nothing, so there's a
reinstall in my near future.

FWIW, the reason why I'm keen to install this patch is because it fixes
a tendency to crash when you Save As Adobe PDF or print to Distiller. I
can assure anyone who's interested that this really does happen. 8^(

Thanks for your help, anyway.

sigh

Roger

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:54 PM
To: Roger Shuttleworth; Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116

Roger, before I did anything dramatic like taking off unrelated
software

First, it'd be good that you confirm that you're trying to install as
a user with
Admin privileges, and also that you're the same user who installed the
first version.

If there's anything unusual there, I'd try booting into protected mode
and installing as
the Administrator.

Art

On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Art

 Yes, I re-booted after removing Distiller and AR 7.0 (each time).

 I see your point about the CD. The problem is, Adobe do not have a
p114
 patch on their web site, and I need to ensure that I can get to a
 genuine p114 before installing the p116 patch.

 Perhaps it's time to talk to Adobe.

 Thanks for your help.

 Roger

 Roger Shuttleworth

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:09 PM
 To: Roger Shuttleworth
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116

 In all this installing and uninstalling, you are rebooting whenever
 you're making a
 major change, right? So the software can reinitialize?

 Also, so far as the CDs are concerned, I'd be surprised if Adobe
didn't
 update
 their shipping CDs on a rolling basis so that the latest  greatest
 version was
 going out the door. So the version on your CD probably has more to do
 with
 the date it was burned than with a planned delivery of a certain
build.

 Art

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  Hello Framers
  Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was
 7.1p114
  as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying
to
  install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits
with
  an error message:
 
  You do not have correct version of FM install on your system. This
 patch
  installer will work only with Version 7.1b023 or 7.1p114 build.
Patch
  installer will quite now.
 
  I uninstalled Distiller 6.0 and Adobe Reader 7.0 and tried again,
but
  got the same message. Before I bite the bullet and reinstall Frame
 (and
  several plugins), does anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
 And
  in any case, is the original 7.1 version (on the CD) one of the
 versions
  mentioned?


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Re: Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:21 -0500 6/3/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:

A PC mouse or a rodent mouse??

Heh. You know, that question never would have occurred to me.

I guess living with a pair of Burmese toms has, well, orientated my thinking 
somewhat.
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Re: FrameMaker 6 and Distiller font embedding problem

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Rogers

Steve Rickaby wrote:

On behalf of someone on another group...

At 11:23 + 6/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with
FrameMaker 6.0 and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.

I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot
embed a font because of licensing restrictions. We have purchased
this font so it's a mystery why I get this error. I am able to
create the PDF which looks OK on my PC as I have the font but on
other PCs Acrobat uses a substitute font.


Not a mystery. Purchasing the font doesn't necessarily give you the 
right to redistribute it, which is effectively what happens when you 
embed. Read the licence terms to find out what's allowed; Distiller is 
probably following rules in the font file. (You *may* be able to get 
away with embedding only a subset; check your settings and licence to 
see if that will work and is legal.)


The PDF works fine on your PC because you have a legal version of the 
font installed. It doesn't work fine on other machines that don't have 
the font; they have to substitute something else, because Distiller 
can't embed.




We decided to reinstall FM.  


Because of the font licence issue?! Wrong solution!

I used the FM disk to install Acrobat

and Distiller but these are earlier versions so I upgraded to
Acrobat Professional 6.0.

Unfortunately FM doesn't offer Distiller as a printer option now. 


Yes it does; it's just renamed to Adobe PDF. It's still the Distiller 
engine.


I

use Adobe PDF instead to create the PS file and then use Distiller
to create the PDF 


That is the most reliable method.

but I still have the font licence problem. I can

live with not having Distiller as a printer option but I really
need to sort out the font problem.

Any ideas?



Find a version of the font with a licence that allows embedding. Many 
fonts are available from several foundries (albeit usually with slight 
variations), and you may be able to find one with the licence terms you 
require. Otherwise, you'll have to change to a different font 
altogether, one that allows embedding.


HTH,

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Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:10:41 -0500, Art Campbell 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't want to disillusion you prematurely, but Save As 
pdf and Distiller still don't work reliably with the patch. 
May not crash, but the only solidly reliable way to distill 
is still to print to a PS file and distill manually (I was 
on 7.1 for more than a year and just hopped to 7.2 .

I'm a little puzzled.  I've always known that SaveAs PDF
was a Bad Idea, but the method I use is not manual either.
It's Print, to the Adobe PDF (or Distiller, pre-6.0) printer.  
This is a one-click process that always works for me.  I've
never done it in two steps.  Is there some problem with this?

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RE: Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
Hm.

You can manually reset numbering in Acrobat, but you have to remember to
do it. Any manual step you have to remember to do is bound to be
forgotten.

You can use PageLabeler, but it costs money. Not every tech writer is in
a position to buy the tools he or she needs.

You can use hyperlinks if the reference is from the same book (and you
*should*). But you're not always in total control of the outside
cross-reference to your book.

Most of the time, I can come up with good reasons for a decision,
result, or process that seems stupid. I'm always looking for better
ways to do something, but I hesitate to call other ways worse. Someday
somebody is going to call my ways stupid, and perhaps they'll be
right. Nonetheless, I won't like it. Likewise, I try to offer good new
ways to do something and let the old ways speak for themselves. *Try* is
the operative word here, I ain't perfect!


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Count me among those who think continuous numbering with a change in
format makes no sense. It strikes me as completely stupid,
counterintuitive, and guaranteed to confuse. 

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Re: Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread William Gaffga
You're not likely to find it in a font except by pure, wild,  
outrageous chance as those Word template styles use GIFs for the  
bullets. Check your installation of Word for these support files.


HTH.

Will.

On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:


David Wollenberg wrote:


I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
image of a mouse as the bullet.  I am hoping I can find it in a font
set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings, zapfdingbats,
symbol, cannot find it.


Maybe I'm missing something -- what font does the Word template use?

Richard

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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread rebecca officer
Hi David

For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the "big" book, 
not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a while, but 
found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small books. Also, you 
have to muck with your numbering scheme. In your single-chapter books, the 
chapter numbering needs to use "read from file" and in your big book it needs 
to be "continue numbering from previous file in book". Then in the production 
process, update the big book first to get the chapter numbers right. And ignore 
error messages about inconsistent numbering.

Instead of this, we now create stand-alone TOCs and import them into each 
chapter as a text inset. The book update process doesn't generate these, but we 
have a framescript to update them in a single step. If you're interested I can 
ask our scripter if I can pass it on to you.

Cheers, Rebecca 

>>> "Wollenberger, David"  6/03/06 09:52 >>>
I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.


David Wollenberger 


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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread davidaflynn
Hi,

I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...

Thank you,

Shall Close,

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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.


David Wollenberger 


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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
This method is only needed, IMHO, if you want the ToC to refer to the
ToC, or if you have a very small ToC that will be sharing a page with
the beginning of the chapter.

But I agree: use only one book file.

There is also the third alternative: make the individual ToCs for each
chapter and add it to the book file before the chapter. Then you can
decide the numbering from within the book file, whether you have a
separate numbering for the ToC, like Roman numbers or the same as the
chapter, in which case you would set the chapter file to continnue the
numbering from the previous file. In the last case, you will have to
update the ToC to show the new page numbering.

HTH,

Bodvar

On 3/5/06, rebecca officer  wrote:
> Hi David
>
> For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the "big" 
> book, not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a 
> while, but found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small 
> books. Also, you have to muck with your numbering scheme. In your 
> single-chapter books, the chapter numbering needs to use "read from file" and 
> in your big book it needs to be "continue numbering from previous file in 
> book". Then in the production process, update the big book first to get the 
> chapter numbers right. And ignore error messages about inconsistent numbering.
>
> Instead of this, we now create stand-alone TOCs and import them into each 
> chapter as a text inset. The book update process doesn't generate these, but 
> we have a framescript to update them in a single step. If you're interested I 
> can ask our scripter if I can pass it on to you.
>
> Cheers, Rebecca
>
> >>> "Wollenberger, David"  6/03/06 09:52 >>>
> I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
> beginning of each chapter.
>
> Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
> create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
> the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
> book that contains each of the book files.
>
> Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
> Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
> says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
> generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
> files. I can open these books from the master book window by
> double-clicking, no errors.
>
> Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
> inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
> to do this.
>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
> that it can't be done, that would help also.
>
>
> David Wollenberger
>
>
> ca
>
> Technical Writer
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Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:45 -0500 5/3/06, Wollenberger, David wrote:

>I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
>template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
>image of a mouse as the bullet.  I am hoping I can find it in a font
>set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings, zapfdingbats,
>symbol, cannot find it.
>
>Does anyone know the font for this image and where it can be downloaded?

No, but I know a font site that would give you a good chance of finding it: 
. Go to Dingbats -> Animals and search there.

Failing that, the Bingo font has a creditable mouse:



If that's no good (it looks a bit gormless, definitely not a mouse with 
attitude), just search under animals with any on-line font foundry, such as 
 or . There are a lot of animal 
fonts out there.

Happy mousing ;-)
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FrameMaker 6 and Distiller font embedding problem

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
On behalf of someone on another group...

At 11:23 + 6/3/06, Cherie.Ellis at trendcomms.com wrote:

>I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with FrameMaker 6.0
>and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.
>
>I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot embed a
>font because of licensing restrictions. We have purchased this font so it's a 
>mystery why I get this error. I am able to create the PDF which looks
>OK on my PC as I have the font but on other PCs Acrobat uses a substitute
>font.
>
>We decided to reinstall FM.  I used the FM disk to install Acrobat and
>Distiller but these are earlier versions so I upgraded to  Acrobat
>Professional 6.0.
>
>Unfortunately FM doesn't offer Distiller as a printer option now. I use
>Adobe PDF instead to create the PS file and then use Distiller to create
>the PDF but I still have the font licence problem. I can live with not
>having Distiller as a printer option but I really need to sort out the
>font problem.
>
>Any ideas?

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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Frank Harper
David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the 
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with 
a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to include the 
paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are updated just like 
any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special 
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into the 
chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the TOC, 
regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this method 
requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

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>To: "'Wollenberger, David'" , "'Framers 
>(FrameMaker List)'" 
>Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>Hi,
>
>I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
>in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
>cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
>
>Thank you,
> 
>Shall Close,
> 
>Regards,
> 
>David Flynn
>Technical Writer
>Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
>Extn: 220
>Fiorano Software
>www.fiorano.com
> 
>
>_
>
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>
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>
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>
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>[mailto:framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
>To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
>Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
>beginning of each chapter.
>
>Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
>create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
>the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
>book that contains each of the book files.  
>
>Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
>Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
>says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
>generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
>files. I can open these books from the master book window by
>double-clicking, no errors.
>
>Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
>inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
>to do this.
>
>
>Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
>that it can't be done, that would help also.
> 
>
>David Wollenberger 
>
>
>ca
>
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread davidaflynn
Hi Frank,

That was informativethanks for sharing it with me !

Thank you,

Shall Close,

Regards,

David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
Extn: 220
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From: Frank Harper [mailto:hfhar...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:50 PM
To: davidaflynn at gmail.com; 'Wollenberger,David'; 'Framers (FrameMaker List)'
Cc: Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab
with a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to
include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are
updated just like any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into
the chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the
TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this
method requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

-Original Message-
>From: davidaflynn 
>Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
>To: "'Wollenberger, David'" , "'Framers
(FrameMaker List)'" 
>Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>Hi,
>
>I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
>in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
>cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
>
>Thank you,
> 
>Shall Close,
> 
>Regards,
> 
>David Flynn
>Technical Writer
>Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
>Extn: 220
>Fiorano Software
>www.fiorano.com
> 
>___
_
>_
>
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>Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform
>
>Learn more at http://www.fiorano.com/products/ 
>
>Cut your SOA implementation time and cost by 80% today.
>Download and try Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform at www.fiorano.com/downloads/ 
>
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>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
>To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
>Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
>beginning of each chapter.
>
>Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
>create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
>the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
>book that contains each of the book files.  
>
>Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
>Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
>says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
>generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
>files. I can open these books from the master book window by
>double-clicking, no errors.
>
>Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
>inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
>to do this.
>
>
>Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
>that it can't be done, that would help also.
> 
>
>David Wollenberger 
>
>
>ca
>
>Technical Writer 
>tel: +1 310 957-3969 (Internal: x63969)
>fax: +1 310 957-3917 
>david.wollenberger at ca.com 
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FrameMaker 6 and Distiller font embedding problem

2006-03-06 Thread Phil Heron
Here are my answers to these questions:

1. Font licensing
Purchasing a font does not necessarily entitle you to embed the font in
a PDF file. It depends on the restrictions the font designer has
specified for the font.
If you have the Microsoft Opentype font properties extension (available
from the Microsoft Typography web site www.microsoft.com/truetype), you
can inspect the "Embeddability" of the font. If it is set to "Restricted
licence embedding" then Acrobat Distiller will not embed it in the PDF
file.

2. Acrobat Distiller was the name of the distillation port created by
Acrobat up to V5. With V6 the name of the port changed to "Adobe PDF"
but it still performs the same function.

Phil Heron
Technical Writer - CODA
www.coda.com

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From: framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: 06 March 2006 11:32
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 6 and Distiller font embedding problem

On behalf of someone on another group...

At 11:23 + 6/3/06, Cherie.Ellis at trendcomms.com wrote:

>I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with FrameMaker 
>6.0 and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.
>
>I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot embed 
>a font because of licensing restrictions. We have purchased this font 
>so it's a mystery why I get this error. I am able to create the PDF 
>which looks OK on my PC as I have the font but on other PCs Acrobat
uses a substitute font.
>
>We decided to reinstall FM.  I used the FM disk to install Acrobat and 
>Distiller but these are earlier versions so I upgraded to  Acrobat 
>Professional 6.0.
>
>Unfortunately FM doesn't offer Distiller as a printer option now. I use

>Adobe PDF instead to create the PS file and then use Distiller to 
>create the PDF but I still have the font licence problem. I can live 
>with not having Distiller as a printer option but I really need to sort

>out the font problem.
>
>Any ideas?

--
Steve
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Martinek, Carla
We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
mini-TOC against the bookmarks in the PDF as I'm reviewing it.

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Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Sindhu tw
Hi,


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.

Thanks in advance.


Regards,
Sindu



TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Yves Barbion
Another option is to use the ChapterTOC Framescript, an inexpensive plug-in.
Works like a charm, also on a book level.

You find it here: http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm



TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
As do we. But we "automate" the mini-ToC by using FrameSLT, from West
Street Consulting. Once you set it up, it will build such a list of
cross-refs with a couple of clicks. Structured documents only, though.
Before we started using it, discrepancies between the mini-ToC and the
rest of the doc were common (but hopefully caught during the review
process!); now they're not an issue.

Roger Shuttleworth
Documenation Team Lead
Activplant Corporation
140 Fullarton St.
London, Ontario
N6A 5P2
Canada
Tel. 519 668-7336
Fax. 519 668-3227
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:59 AM
To: Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
mini-TOC against the bookmarks in the PDF as I'm reviewing it.

-Carla
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Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread DeFlorio, Dominick
"Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit."

Anyone else getting this error/crash?  I experience it daily since our
upgrade to 7.2.

Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389




Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread David Schor
Sindu,

Check out Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) which is an excellent tool for
creating, updating and maintaining indexes in FrameMaker, and has a
trial version.
Alternatively, there are Indexing tools by Silicon Prairie Software
(http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), which I am less familiar with.

David Schor
Technical Communication Manager
Emblaze-VCON Ltd.
Tel: (+972) 9 7627820
Mobile: 054 4788253
davids at emblaze-vcon.com

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[mailto:framers-bounces+davids=emblaze-vcon.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Sindhu tw
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:59 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Index Professional Tool

Hi,


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the
same.

Thanks in advance.


Regards,
Sindu
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Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
There's also http://www.emdex.ca to consider.

Bernard



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[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of David Schor
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:03 AM
To: Sindhu tw; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Index Professional Tool

Sindu,

Check out Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) which is an excellent tool for 
creating, updating and maintaining indexes in FrameMaker, and has a trial 
version.
Alternatively, there are Indexing tools by Silicon Prairie Software 
(http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), which I am less familiar with.

David Schor
Technical Communication Manager
Emblaze-VCON Ltd.
Tel: (+972) 9 7627820
Mobile: 054 4788253
davids at emblaze-vcon.com

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[mailto:framers-bounces+davids=emblaze-vcon.com at lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sindhu tw
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:59 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Index Professional Tool

Hi,


 Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it 
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.

Thanks in advance.


Regards,
Sindu
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Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
Have you patched to the b144 patch? That may help. You may also want to try 
(weird as it sounds) to search using Find Backward.

b144 is here http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3186

Bernard



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[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of DeFlorio, Dominick
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:59 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

"Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a serious 
problem and must quit."

Anyone else getting this error/crash?  I experience it daily since our upgrade 
to 7.2.

Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389

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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Niels Fanøe
We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's "second method" below), but we use 
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.

-Niels

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Frank Harper
-> Sent: 6. marts 2006 13:20
-> To: davidaflynn at gmail.com; 'Wollenberger, David'; 'Framers 
-> (FrameMaker List)'
-> Cc: Framers at frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> 
-> David,
-> 
-> There are two methods I have used. 
-> 
-> First is to use the cross-reference feature - place 
-> cross-references to the headings you want for your TOC. 
-> Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with a leader for 
-> the page number. Define the cross-reference format to 
-> include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page 
-> numbers are updated just like any cross-reference.
-> 
-> The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC 
-> using the Special menu. This generates a separate file. 
-> Import the TOC file by reference into the chapter at the 
-> point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the 
-> TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. 
-> Unfortunately, this method requires manual steps, so I 
-> prefer the first method.
-> 
-> Good luck,
-> Frank Harper
-> 
-> -Original Message-
-> >From: davidaflynn 
-> >Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
-> >To: "'Wollenberger, David'" , "'Framers 
-> >(FrameMaker List)'" 
-> >Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> >
-> >Hi,
-> >
-> >I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of 
-> >contents in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only 
-> display all 
-> >H1 cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
-> >
-> >Thank you,
-> > 
-> >Shall Close,
-> > 
-> >Regards,
-> > 
-> >David Flynn
-> >Technical Writer
-> >Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
-> >Extn: 220
-> >Fiorano Software
-> >www.fiorano.com
-> > 
-> >
-> ___
-> >_
-> >_
-> >
-> >Fiorano announces the availability of it's next generation 
-> platform - 
-> >Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform
-> >
-> >Learn more at http://www.fiorano.com/products/
-> >
-> >Cut your SOA implementation time and cost by 80% today.
-> >Download and try Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform at 
-> >www.fiorano.com/downloads/
-> >
-> >
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-> >[mailto:framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameuse
rs.com] On 
-> >Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
-> >Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
-> >To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
-> >Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> >
-> >I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
-> >beginning of each chapter.
-> >
-> >Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to 
-> >create a book for each chapter. These books would contain 
-> nothing but 
-> >the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a 
-> >master book that contains each of the book files.
-> >
-> >Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I 
-> attempt to 
-> >Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During 
-> Searches, 
-> >FM says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, 
-> FM says it 
-> >cannot generate because the master book file contains no openable 
-> >non-generated files. I can open these books from the master 
-> book window 
-> >by double-clicking, no errors.
-> >
-> >Another approach would be to figure out some way of 
-> including the TOC 
-> >inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I 
-> would get FM 
-> >to do this.
-> >
-> >
-> >Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you 
-> can confirm 
-> >that it can't be done, that would help also.
-> > 
-> >
-> >David Wollenberger
-> >
-> >
-> >ca
-> >
-> >Technical Writer
-> >tel: +1 310 957-3969 (Internal: x63969)
-> >fax: +1 310 957-3917
-> >david.wollenberger at ca.com
-> >Customers First Performance Quality & Innovation Teamwork 
-> with Focus 
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Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread DeFlorio, Dominick
I'll try both.  Thank you.
I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a Find.



Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389


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From: Bernard Aschwanden [mailto:bern...@publishingsmarter.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:16 AM
To: DeFlorio, Dominick; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

Have you patched to the b144 patch? That may help. You may also want to
try (weird as it sounds) to search using Find Backward.

b144 is here
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3186

Bernard



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om] On Behalf Of DeFlorio, Dominick
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:59 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

"Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit."

Anyone else getting this error/crash?  I experience it daily since our
upgrade to 7.2.

Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389

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Bullet points

2006-03-06 Thread Rita Muller
Hi Sonia,

A wise, wise teacher once said to me, "the only stupid question is the one
that doesn't get asked." ;-)

You've gotten great advice so far on your question, and I'd like to add my
two cents method if I may. If you are at all familiar with a graphics
program like Photoshop, you can make a bullet point exactly as you'd like,
then save it in whatever extension you use for your screen captures. That
way you can import your custom made bullet point from File>Import over and
over again, and shrinkwrap where you'd like. IMHO, this is the fast and easy
way, and I've had excellent results with it.

To Grant and Roger, thanks so much for your input guys. I've copied both to
my personal FrameMaker tip sheet.

Rita
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:18:39 -
From: "Cutler, Sonia S T" 
Subject: Bullet points
To: 
Message-ID: <76ECA97A30510E498EB5A97AB4A6AE2101DC71A5 at icex1.ic.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi Guys,

Another potentially stupid question but here it goes anyway.

Is there a way of completely customise bullet points in FrameMaker to
the extent of making the actual bullet (but not the text that follows)
larger and also to widen the distance between bullet and text that
follows?

Many thanks again

Kind regards

Sonia






Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:47 -0500 6/3/06, Anne Robotti wrote:

>Does anyone know what if any licensing issues might arise if I bought
>the font, tweaked that pushpin with some color, etc, and used it as an
>"Info" graphic? Or if I buy the font can I do whatever I want with it?

To the last, almost certainly 'no'. Font license terms vary a lot, but one 
thing you certainly don't get is the right to do whatever you like with a font. 
The most general set of restrictions (from the main font houses) confine your 
use to one site,  users (often 5), no modification, no reverse engineering, 
no distribution.

Of course, these might be relaxed in the case of a 'novelty' font, but fonts 
are copyright just like any other artistic creation.

Here are URLs for sample license terms from Monotype and Linotype:





-- 
Steve



Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread Art Campbell
You could also try the older fix of having all files open on your
desktop when you start the F This eliminates delays and timeouts
when working with files over a network.

Art

On 3/6/06, DeFlorio, Dominick  wrote:
> I'll try both.  Thank you.
> I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a Find.
>

--
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gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

2006-03-06 Thread DeFlorio, Dominick
I typically open all files in a book when I first open Frame.  The error
usually occurs the first few times I search, and continues to be a
problem until I save during a search.


Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:46 AM
To: DeFlorio, Dominick
Cc: bernard at publishingsmarter.com; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame 72, Find/Change Crash

You could also try the older fix of having all files open on your
desktop when you start the F This eliminates delays and timeouts when
working with files over a network.

Art

On 3/6/06, DeFlorio, Dominick  wrote:
> I'll try both.  Thank you.
> I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a
Find.
>

--
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358



Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
Hello Framers



Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was 7.1p114
as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying to
install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits with
an error message:



You do not have correct version of FM install on your system. This patch
installer will work only with Version 7.1b023 or 7.1p114 build. Patch
installer will quite now.



I uninstalled Distiller 6.0 and Adobe Reader 7.0 and tried again, but
got the same message. Before I bite the bullet and reinstall Frame (and
several plugins), does anyone have any ideas how to get around this? And
in any case, is the original 7.1 version (on the CD) one of the versions
mentioned?



Thanks.



Roger



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Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Yves Barbion
Indeed, Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) is great! It has become one of those
indispensable Framemaker plug-ins, not just to create indexes, but also to
manage other "markers", for example TopicAlias markers which we use for the
context-sensitive Help.

--
Yves Barbion
Technical Writer
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor


U Learning NV (formerly ATeK NV)
Molenaarsstraat 111
B-9000 Gent
Belgium
Tel.: +32 9 265 74 72
Fax: +32 9 265 74 84
www.uni-learning.com




Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Scott Prentice
While you're at it, you may want to check out our MarkerTools plugin ..

http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php

which provides many nice marker editing and management functions .. 30-day
trial lets you try it out to make sure it does what you need.

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com



> You wrote:
>
>>  Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
>>advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the
>> same.
>




Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Scott Prentice
And, there's also MarkerWorker and Marker Madness. All of the
indexing/marker tools mentioned so far are listed in our Tool Search
database (with prices and descriptions for quick review). See ..

http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/?kwds=marker

Cheers!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com


> You wrote:
>
>>  Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
>>advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the
>> same.
>




Text Inset Problem

2006-03-06 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
I've imported a document (File>Import>File) and the table borders are 
not the same as in the original document. I selected to retain the 
original formatting and it's still the same problem.

Is there any way to fix this? I noticed that Frame table borders seem 
buggy. Is this a bug or a feature?

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson




Local TOCs in structured documents

2006-03-06 Thread Lynne A. Price
Good morning,

   Since there's an ongoing thread on chapter TOCs, I thought I'd share an 
idea I had recently. In a book with numerous chapters, it is a pain to 
remember to generate the local TOC for each chapter. A minor tweak to the 
EDD, and a slightly strained structure, allows me to build them in a single 
book.

   In particular, I've defined a choice attribute on the chapter element 
that serves as a code name, with arbitrary values (say, flower names), 
making sure that I've defined more values than there will ever be chapters 
in an actual book. The EDD then assigns context labels for each element 
that I want in the chapter TOC based on the possible values of this 
attribute. For example, Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection might each 
have context labels Daisy, Tulip, Rose, and so forth. If I use a generic 
Section element that can be nested within itself, I might give it context 
labels like Daisy1, Tulip1, Rose1 for the first level, Daisy2, Tulip2, 
Rose2 for the second level, etc.

   If I assign the code name Daisy to a particular chapter, I set up its 
TOC to include only Section(Daisy), Subsection(Daisy), and so on. I've used 
code names instead of numbers because I don't want to associate the 
selection with the order of chapters in the book. With the code names, I 
can reorder the chapters in the book, or add new ones in the middle without 
the identification becoming confusing. I could have used a unique ID 
instead of a choice attribute, but I wanted the EDD to list the values used 
by the context rules that assign the context labels.
Not very efficient--FM scans every file in the book to build the TOC for 
each chapter, but it works.

   In practice, I actually assigned all the context labels to the Title 
element rather than the Section element. My Title element doesn't have an 
ID attribute, but the Section element does. Thus, I can use the context 
labels on the Title element to set up the chapter TOCs without having them 
clutter up the cross-reference dialog box. I use context labels on Section 
for cross-referencing.

 --Lynne


Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
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Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
 Dear David,

I don't know of a good option. The standard you seem to be working from
isn't one that I've heard of. Every mainstream style guide I've seen
says that front matter should be numbered separately from the body. That
means that your chapter 1 should start on page 1 according to
commonly-accepted standards. The FM architecture is designed to conform
to those standards. I seriously doubt they'll change it, though I agree
that the numbering and the format shouldn't be connected.



===
Aside:

By the way, Chicago's style does this because they assume that front
matter will change after the body text has been paginated, so removing
the dependency makes sense. In modern, computer-paginated technical
manuals the dependency may no longer exist. Recognizing this, I have
chosen to number from the first page of the front matter in Arabic. One
benefit of this is that Adobe PDF versions of my books match the PDF
page number to the "printed" page number!

Keen readers of Chicago's online Q will recognize this issue from last
month; I was the one who asked the question. Alas, they didn't quite
understand my point. The standard of numbering front and back matter
separately from the body makes sense in a traditional world, and I
suppose that it should be the standard if you are going to have only one
single standard to cover every situation. But in a book generated from
FM, where one can re-paginate at the click of a button, I think the
standard has no useful purpose.

Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Wollenberger, David
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:16 PM
To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: Page Numbering Properties

Using FM7.0p578 on WinXP

I have a situation which I don't think is so unusual, and yet I can't
seem to figure out how to get FM to handle it. 

Our TOC page numbering begins on iii and goes as long as it has to,
ending on an even page.

Our Chapter 1 begins on the next page after the TOC page. So if the TOC
is eight pages (iii-x), then the first page of Chapter 1 is 11.

Looking at FM's Numbering Properties dialog, Page tab, at first glance,
it would appear that I need to use Continue Numbering from Previous Page
in Book, but then the first page in Chapter 1 is numbered xi, even if I
set it to Numeric.  

To my knowledge, the only way around this problem is to use First Page
and manually set the value to , in this 11,
and set the style to Numeric.

This solution becomes cumbersome when publishing conditional books.  For
example, I need to produce six books from the same set of source files.
The number of pages in the TOC can change from 6 to 8 to 10 depending on
which book I am publishing, so I have to manually reset the Page
Numbering Properties for Chapter 1 each time I publish version of the
book.



Index Professional Tool

2006-03-06 Thread Andrew Becraft
Hi Sindu,

I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of people recommending 
IXgen. IXgen automates so many repetitive indexing tasks that I 
literally cannot imagine creating an index in a FrameMaker book without 
IXgen. I actually included the cost of IXgen as part of the FrameMaker 
package when I proposed a switch from our previous tool here at my 
current company.

Human review and manipulation of the index IXgen creates is absolutely 
necessary, of course, but IXgen includes many features that make these 
tasks much more efficient. In addition to generating index markers 
based on paragraph formats, character formats, keywords, and other 
elements, you can use IXgen to generate variations ("permutations") of 
each entry, split concatenated entries, and so on.

I'm not familiar with Index Professional, but I highly recommend IXgen.

Andrew Becraft
Senior Technical Writer
Singlestep Technologies

P: 206.838.7982
E: andrewb at singlestep.com

On Mar 5, 2006, at 10:59 PM, Sindhu tw wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>  Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
> advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the 
> same.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sindu




Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
I'm confused.

Peter's survey shows exactly what I would expect:

1. some books use lowercase roman for front matter and then restart at 1
in Arabic for the body.
2. some books don't number the front matter, and then start at 1 in
Arabic for the body.
3. a few books have chosen the approach I am now taking; they start
numbering front matter at 1 and then
   continue through the body.

The only difference between what Peter described and what I'm doing is
that he doesn't mention the *format* use for style 3. I use Arabic
throughout.

FM can handle all three options, *if* option 3 uses the same number
formatting in front matter and body. If David's standard has to be used,
then FM won't work.

My own idiosyncratic opinion is that the standard David is using doesn't
make much sense. Why should one *format* front matter numbers
differently from body numbers, if they form a single sequence? The idea
of using different formats makes sense only if the sequences are
*different*.

If you had two numbering sequences, both in Arabic, simply telling them
apart within the book would be hard. Citations would be impossible, as
would indexing. But for one sequence, having a different format seems
only to differentiate between front matter and body. I'm not convinced
that this is necessary.

But, as Peter implied, I'm more interested in this as an entertaining
examination of the standard and not as a solution to David's problem.
That's why most of my message was an aside. I agree with Peter that FM
ought to provide the ability to separate page sequences from page
sequence formatting.



 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Peter Gold [mailto:pe...@knowhowpro.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:22 AM
To: Joe Malin; Wollenberger, David; Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Properties

Hi, folks:

When this thread came up the other day, I thought "hmmm... that's
interesting," and let it go. But now that it's gathering momentum, I
took another look.

A quick look at several Adobe Classroom In A Book titles, the revered
"all-time best" "FrameMaker 5.5 User's Guide," "FrameMaker 7: The
Complete Reference," and Richard Hendel's "On Book Design," all use
lowercase Roman numbers for front matter, and restart body matter at
page 1 in Arabic style. Some other non-technical books I scanned either
do not number front matter pages at all, and begin body matter at page
1, or number front matter from page 1 and continue through body matter.

So, David's approach doesn't seem rare or odd. I don't have FM earlier
than 7.x installed, so I can't test this, but my first reaction to
David's original post was, "I thought you could do that in FM." Perhaps
this has changed since some earlier release. Anyone care to test it and
let us know?

It's likely that quoting authorities on one or the other side of the
issue won't resolve the matter any more than the recurring threads on
how many spaces should appear between sentences, or "are the widows the
ones left stranded at the end of a text frame, or are those the orphans,
or maybe it's only a line consisting of a single word left behind or
pushed ahead?"

David's suggestion to enhance FM so the user can choose to change
numbering styles is worth posting to the feature request forum. 
InDesign permits this.




Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Joe:

At 10:40 AM -0800 3/6/06, Joe Malin wrote:
>I'm confused.

Sorry if I confused you by not being explicit about the examples of 
book numbering that I referred to that " begin body matter at page 1, 
or number front matter from page 1 and continue through body matter." 
I should have said, "...number front matter from page 1 in Arabic 
style and continue in Arabic style through body matter."

BTW, I didn't look at the numbering of "back matter," index or appendix pages.

>Peter's survey shows exactly what I would expect:
>
>1. some books use lowercase roman for front matter and then restart at 1
>in Arabic for the body.
>2. some books don't number the front matter, and then start at 1 in
>Arabic for the body.
>3. a few books have chosen the approach I am now taking; they start
>numbering front matter at 1 and then
>continue through the body.
>
>The only difference between what Peter described and what I'm doing is
>that he doesn't mention the *format* use for style 3. I use Arabic
>throughout.
>
>FM can handle all three options, *if* option 3 uses the same number
>formatting in front matter and body. If David's standard has to be used,
>then FM won't work.

FM *can* perform what David and many others prefer or are required to 
do, just not completely automatically. What makes this really 
annoying is that FM does so many other things so well, you'd expect 
it. Again, perhaps this is a change from pre-release 7.x; anyone care 
to test and report?
-- 
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices



Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Anne Robotti
> But, as Peter implied, I'm more interested in this as an entertaining
> examination of the standard and not as a solution to David's problem.
> That's why most of my message was an aside. I agree with Peter that FM
> ought to provide the ability to separate page sequences from page
> sequence formatting.

Well, I'm not really following the whole "this makes no sense but Frame
should do it anyway" debate, but I just wanted to mention to David that
you can, in fact, do this.

There are a couple of caveats:

1. You can only change the numbering format in consecutive chapters, at
the beginning. It might work for the end, but I didn't try it.
2. If you do any chapter after the TOC, I think it will screw up your
numbering for the TOC.
3. I still have no idea why you'd want to do it.

But anyway, here's how:

1. Set the Numbering properties for the book as follows:

Title Page: First Page 1, Arabic
All other chapters including TOC, Continue Numbering, Arabic

2. Update the book.

3. Update the Title Page numbering to First Page 1, roman i

4. Update the TOC numbering by deleting the number in the Start on Page
box, changing the numbering style to roman i and checking the "continue
from prev" checkbox.

5. Print the book.

It's klunky as hell, but it does work.

Anne



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Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Art Campbell
In all this installing and uninstalling, you are rebooting whenever
you're making a
major change, right? So the software can reinitialize?

Also, so far as the CDs are concerned, I'd be surprised if Adobe didn't update
their shipping CDs on a rolling basis so that the latest & greatest version was
going out the door. So the version on your CD probably has more to do with
the date it was burned than with a planned delivery of a certain build.

Art

On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth  wrote:
> Hello Framers
>
>
>
> Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was 7.1p114
> as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying to
> install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits with
> an error message:
>
>
>
> You do not have correct version of FM install on your system. This patch
> installer will work only with Version 7.1b023 or 7.1p114 build. Patch
> installer will quite now.
>
>
>
> I uninstalled Distiller 6.0 and Adobe Reader 7.0 and tried again, but
> got the same message. Before I bite the bullet and reinstall Frame (and
> several plugins), does anyone have any ideas how to get around this? And
> in any case, is the original 7.1 version (on the CD) one of the versions
> mentioned?
>



--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358



Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread John Wilcox
"Wollenberger, David"  wrote:

> I have a situation which I don't think is so unusual, and yet I can't
> seem to figure out how to get FM to handle it. 
> 
> Our TOC page numbering begins on iii and goes as long as it has to,
> ending on an even page.
> 
> Our Chapter 1 begins on the next page after the TOC page. So 
> if the TOC is eight pages (iii-x), then the first page of Chapter 1 is 11.

I think it is quite unusual (can't say that I've ever seen such a numbering
scheme), but regardless, it can't be done automatically in FM. You'd have to
manually restart the page numbering of Chapter 1 after doing an Update Book.

_
Regards,
John Wilcox, Technical Writer
Zetron, Redmond
in Digest mode







Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Wickham
Adding to the discussion, The Chicago Manual of Style gives the traditional 
reason for numbering front matter and main text separately in both form and 
count:

"The front matter of a book, especially in the United States, is paginated 
with lowercase roman numerals for some of these pages (for example, 
preface, acknowledgments, and dedication) may be expanded or even added at 
the last moment. If arabic numbering were to begin with the half title, no 
page could be added to the front matter once the book was in page proofs."

Mike Wickham





Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Rogers
Wollenberger, David wrote:
> I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
> template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
> image of a mouse as the bullet.  I am hoping I can find it in a font
> set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings, zapfdingbats,
> symbol, cannot find it. 
> 

A PC mouse or a rodent mouse??

If a PC mouse, both Wingdings and Wingdings2 have it as a character.
Wingdings, type numeral 8.
Wingdings2, type a colon or semicolon.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
Definitely interested! I can do good beta testing for you, since I'm a
former software engineer.

I will warn you in advance that you might have to wait a while before my
company invested actual money in anything. Our motto is definitely "free
is better". You can understand that a small startup relies on more hours
from each employee than on any productivity enhancement that is "an
expense."

Joe


Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Bernard Aschwanden [mailto:bern...@publishingsmarter.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:32 PM
To: HATT at yahoogroups.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com;
techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

Hi all:

I've just finished the first solid draft of our FrameDITA-lite
application for use with FrameMaker and DITA. It is built to work with
Frame 7.2, but the bulk of it should also work with 7.0 and 7.1.

It's not the most stunning tool ever, but it is a pretty solid XML and
FrameMaker utility that has about 40 pages of documentation that walks
you through installation, tutorials, testing and more.

It may be something that a single writer can consider as a solid
starting point for single sourcing. The price on it is perfect for the
lone writer (or the mega corporation) as it's free. I'm giving it away.

With this application and some very cool (and affordable) tools by West
Street Consulting (http://www.weststreetconsulting.com) a lot of the
ideas for single sourcing are addressed that can help the smaller
company as well as the largest. It allows for granular reuse of
paragraphs, sections, topics, tasks and so on. It also provides the
ability to export to DITA compliant XML. The formatting and layout can
be tweaked with relative ease if you know FrameMaker and the EDD
environment. If not, I also provide some online support and consulting
on it.

I've sent the file to a few people on the various lists already and will
continue to do so over the weekend, but if you are interested in being a
part of the beta team to test it, please let me know.

My goal is to have this ready for general use before the big DITA
conference this month (http://conf.travelthepath.com if you are
interested in more info) so that I can show it to anyone who asks while
we are there.

Again, if you are interested in beta testing, please email me off list
and let me know. I'd love to have input on this and get it solid enough
that everyone can take advantage of a working file set for use with
FrameMaker and DITA.

Thanks,

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Technologies Expert
Publishing Smarter

bernard at publishingsmarter.com 

www.publishingsmarter.com 


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[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.c
om] On Behalf Of Joe Malin
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:58 PM
To: HATT at yahoogroups.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com;
techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

Hi!

I am looking for experiences and advice about using DITA from tech
writers who are familiar with real success stories.

I'm the only tech writer here at TuVox, a 70-person startup. I am
seriously considering using DITA as the basis of a single-source
structured documentation environment. The reasons I want single-source
and structure are 

*   re-use, to avoid duplication
*   multi-channel delivery: ability to re-structure help systems
into documents
*   localization/customization: ability to tailor documentation to
individual customers
*   quick, iterative delivery: respond quickly to emerging needs 



Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Rogers
Joe Malin wrote:

> Keen readers of Chicago's online Q will recognize this issue from last
> month; I was the one who asked the question. Alas, they didn't quite
> understand my point. The standard of numbering front and back matter
> separately from the body makes sense in a traditional world, and I
> suppose that it should be the standard if you are going to have only one
> single standard to cover every situation. But in a book generated from
> FM, where one can re-paginate at the click of a button, I think the
> standard has no useful purpose.
> 
I disagree. From a writer's or publisher's perspective, you are correct 
that page numbering is no longer a technical or practical problem... But 
from a READER's perspective, separate (roman) numbering for front matter 
is valuable because it helps the reader navigate the book. If you're on 
page 81 and you want to turn to the first page of the first chapter, you 
turn to page 1 in a traditionally-numbered book. In your continuously 
numbered example, you either hunt at random, or hunt for the first page 
of the TOC and then hunt for page 19 or whatever it happens to be. Also, 
readers have simply come to expect that front matter will be numbered 
differently from the body of the book, and seeing a departure from that 
tradition simply detracts from the professional impression and/or 
credibility of the work.

There's lots of examples of traditions in methods and naming that are 
technically outdated, yet still meaningful and useful. When was the last 
time you actually heard a phone "ring"?

(And although you are cc'd in the address line, no "carbon" copies were 
harmed in the making of this message ;-)

sr

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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Art Campbell
Roger, before I did anything dramatic like taking off unrelated software

First, it'd be good that you confirm that you're trying to install as
a user with
Admin privileges, and also that you're the same user who installed the
first version.

If there's anything unusual there, I'd try booting into protected mode
and installing as
the Administrator.

Art

On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth  wrote:
> Hi Art
>
> Yes, I re-booted after removing Distiller and AR 7.0 (each time).
>
> I see your point about the CD. The problem is, Adobe do not have a p114
> patch on their web site, and I need to ensure that I can get to a
> genuine p114 before installing the p116 patch.
>
> Perhaps it's time to talk to Adobe.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Shuttleworth
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:09 PM
> To: Roger Shuttleworth
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116
>
> In all this installing and uninstalling, you are rebooting whenever
> you're making a
> major change, right? So the software can reinitialize?
>
> Also, so far as the CDs are concerned, I'd be surprised if Adobe didn't
> update
> their shipping CDs on a rolling basis so that the latest & greatest
> version was
> going out the door. So the version on your CD probably has more to do
> with
> the date it was burned than with a planned delivery of a certain build.
>
> Art
>
> On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth  wrote:
> > Hello Framers
> >> Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was
> 7.1p114
> > as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying to
> > install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits with
> > an error message:
> >
> > You do not have correct version of FM install on your system. This
> patch
> > installer will work only with Version 7.1b023 or 7.1p114 build. Patch
> > installer will quite now.
> >
> > I uninstalled Distiller 6.0 and Adobe Reader 7.0 and tried again, but
> > got the same message. Before I bite the bullet and reinstall Frame
> (and
> > several plugins), does anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
> And
> > in any case, is the original 7.1 version (on the CD) one of the
> versions
> > mentioned?


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gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358



Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
Good points. In a message that crossed paths with yours, I granted that
the current standard fits all situations, and is therefore most
familiar. Perhaps it also adds credibility.

I would like to point out, though, that the argument about navigation is
a stretch. Most books also feature running headers and footers that
assist in navigation. You can easily navigate to the first page of the
first chapter, but once you start looking for the first page of the
*second* chapter, no numbering scheme helps. That is, no scheme works
unless you use chapter-page numbering, which I do not like all that
much.

Your argument also assumes that one is reading a paper version of the
book. In an online book, the reader might find it easier to go to a
particular page with some command built into the reading software.
*THAT* is where the problem really lies. In the text, the author refers
to page 58. The reader uses the command to go to page 58, but the
software is not aware that the first 10 pages of the file are numbered
i-x. The jump to page 58 actually yields page 48!




Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:46 PM
Cc: Joe Malin; Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Properties

I disagree. From a writer's or publisher's perspective, you are correct
that page numbering is no longer a technical or practical problem... But
from a READER's perspective, separate (roman) numbering for front matter
is valuable because it helps the reader navigate the book. If you're on
page 81 and you want to turn to the first page of the first chapter, you
turn to page 1 in a traditionally-numbered book. In your continuously
numbered example, you either hunt at random, or hunt for the first page
of the TOC and then hunt for page 19 or whatever it happens to be. Also,
readers have simply come to expect that front matter will be numbered
differently from the body of the book, and seeing a departure from that
tradition simply detracts from the professional impression and/or
credibility of the work.

There's lots of examples of traditions in methods and naming that are
technically outdated, yet still meaningful and useful. When was the last
time you actually heard a phone "ring"?

(And although you are cc'd in the address line, no "carbon" copies were
harmed in the making of this message ;-)

sr

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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- Mark Twain

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Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
Hi Art

Actually, uninstalling Distiller is recommended in the documentation for
the p116 patch, so it doesn't come in the "unrelated software" category.
And I do have Admin rights on this machine.

Anyway, I spoke to Adobe, and after being passed around for 50 minutes
the suggestion was (i) to re-boot with only MS services loading, or (ii)
reinstall FM. The first option accomplished nothing, so there's a
reinstall in my near future.

FWIW, the reason why I'm keen to install this patch is because it fixes
a tendency to crash when you Save As Adobe PDF or print to Distiller. I
can assure anyone who's interested that this really does happen. 8^(

Thanks for your help, anyway.



Roger

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:54 PM
To: Roger Shuttleworth; Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116

Roger, before I did anything dramatic like taking off unrelated
software

First, it'd be good that you confirm that you're trying to install as
a user with
Admin privileges, and also that you're the same user who installed the
first version.

If there's anything unusual there, I'd try booting into protected mode
and installing as
the Administrator.

Art

On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth  wrote:
> Hi Art
>
> Yes, I re-booted after removing Distiller and AR 7.0 (each time).
>
> I see your point about the CD. The problem is, Adobe do not have a
p114
> patch on their web site, and I need to ensure that I can get to a
> genuine p114 before installing the p116 patch.
>
> Perhaps it's time to talk to Adobe.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Shuttleworth
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:09 PM
> To: Roger Shuttleworth
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Error installing FM 7.1p116
>
> In all this installing and uninstalling, you are rebooting whenever
> you're making a
> major change, right? So the software can reinitialize?
>
> Also, so far as the CDs are concerned, I'd be surprised if Adobe
didn't
> update
> their shipping CDs on a rolling basis so that the latest & greatest
> version was
> going out the door. So the version on your CD probably has more to do
> with
> the date it was burned than with a planned delivery of a certain
build.
>
> Art
>
> On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth  wrote:
> > Hello Framers
> >> Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was
> 7.1p114
> > as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying
to
> > install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits
with
> > an error message:
> >
> > You do not have correct version of FM install on your system. This
> patch
> > installer will work only with Version 7.1b023 or 7.1p114 build.
Patch
> > installer will quite now.
> >
> > I uninstalled Distiller 6.0 and Adobe Reader 7.0 and tried again,
but
> > got the same message. Before I bite the bullet and reinstall Frame
> (and
> > several plugins), does anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
> And
> > in any case, is the original 7.1 version (on the CD) one of the
> versions
> > mentioned?


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Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:21 -0500 6/3/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:

>A PC mouse or a rodent mouse??

Heh. You know, that question never would have occurred to me.

I guess living with a pair of Burmese toms has, well, orientated my thinking 
somewhat.
-- 
Steve



Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Art Campbell
I don't want to disillusion you prematurely, but Save As pdf and Distiller still
don't work reliably with the patch. May not crash, but the only solidly reliable
way to distill is still to print to a PS file and distill manually (I was on 7.1
for more than a year and just hopped to 7.2 .

Art

On 3/6/06, Roger Shuttleworth  wrote:
> Hi Art
>
> Actually, uninstalling Distiller is recommended in the documentation for
> the p116 patch, so it doesn't come in the "unrelated software" category.
> And I do have Admin rights on this machine.
>
> Anyway, I spoke to Adobe, and after being passed around for 50 minutes
> the suggestion was (i) to re-boot with only MS services loading, or (ii)
> reinstall FM. The first option accomplished nothing, so there's a
> reinstall in my near future.
>
> FWIW, the reason why I'm keen to install this patch is because it fixes
> a tendency to crash when you Save As Adobe PDF or print to Distiller. I
> can assure anyone who's interested that this really does happen. 8^(
>
> Thanks for your help, anyway.
>
> 
>
> Roger
>

--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358



FrameMaker 6 and Distiller font embedding problem

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Rogers
Steve Rickaby wrote:
> On behalf of someone on another group...
> 
> At 11:23 + 6/3/06, Cherie.Ellis at trendcomms.com wrote:
> 
> 
>> I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with
>> FrameMaker 6.0 and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.
>> 
>> I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot
>> embed a font because of licensing restrictions. We have purchased
>> this font so it's a mystery why I get this error. I am able to
>> create the PDF which looks OK on my PC as I have the font but on
>> other PCs Acrobat uses a substitute font.

Not a mystery. Purchasing the font doesn't necessarily give you the 
right to redistribute it, which is effectively what happens when you 
embed. Read the licence terms to find out what's allowed; Distiller is 
probably following rules in the font file. (You *may* be able to get 
away with embedding only a subset; check your settings and licence to 
see if that will work and is legal.)

The PDF works fine on your PC because you have a legal version of the 
font installed. It doesn't work fine on other machines that don't have 
the font; they have to substitute something else, because Distiller 
can't embed.

>> 
>> We decided to reinstall FM.  

Because of the font licence issue?! Wrong solution!

I used the FM disk to install Acrobat
>> and Distiller but these are earlier versions so I upgraded to
>> Acrobat Professional 6.0.
>> 
>> Unfortunately FM doesn't offer Distiller as a printer option now. 

Yes it does; it's just renamed to Adobe PDF. It's still the Distiller 
engine.

I
>> use Adobe PDF instead to create the PS file and then use Distiller
>> to create the PDF 

That is the most reliable method.

but I still have the font licence problem. I can
>> live with not having Distiller as a printer option but I really
>> need to sort out the font problem.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
> 
> 
Find a version of the font with a licence that allows embedding. Many 
fonts are available from several foundries (albeit usually with slight 
variations), and you may be able to find one with the licence terms you 
require. Otherwise, you'll have to change to a different font 
altogether, one that allows embedding.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."
- Mark Twain

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Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread Combs, Richard
David Wollenberg wrote: 

> I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
> template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
> image of a mouse as the bullet.  I am hoping I can find it in a font
> set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings, zapfdingbats,
> symbol, cannot find it. 

Maybe I'm missing something -- what font does the Word template use? 

Richard

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Polycom, Inc.
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--
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303-777-0436
--







Error installing FM 7.1p116

2006-03-06 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:10:41 -0500, "Art Campbell" 
 wrote:

>I don't want to disillusion you prematurely, but Save As 
>pdf and Distiller still don't work reliably with the patch. 
>May not crash, but the only solidly reliable way to distill 
>is still to print to a PS file and distill manually (I was 
>on 7.1 for more than a year and just hopped to 7.2 .

I'm a little puzzled.  I've always known that SaveAs PDF
was a Bad Idea, but the method I use is not manual either.
It's Print, to the Adobe PDF (or Distiller, pre-6.0) printer.  
This is a one-click process that always works for me.  I've
never done it in two steps.  Is there some problem with this?

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/



Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Combs, Richard
Count me among those who think continuous numbering with a change in
format makes no sense. It strikes me as completely stupid,
counterintuitive, and guaranteed to confuse. 

As for Joe's point about online reading: 

> *THAT* is where the problem really lies. In the text, the author
refers
> to page 58. The reader uses the command to go to page 58, but the
> software is not aware that the first 10 pages of the file are numbered
> i-x. The jump to page 58 actually yields page 48!

No, the problem lies with the tech writer who distributes PDFs like
that. You can, in Acrobat, set the page numbering to match your document
(Roman numbers for frontmatter, restart with Arabic numbers at Chapter
1, etc.). If you don't want to do it manually in Acrobat, you can do it
in FM using Rick Quatro's PageLabeler plug-in (see frameexpert.com).
There's no reason, other than ignorance or laziness, for your PDF's
physical and logical page numbers not to match. 

I'll refrain from telling you what I think of referring to page 58
without making it a hyperlink. ;-) 

Richard

--
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Polycom, Inc.
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Page Numbering Properties

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Malin
Hm.

You can manually reset numbering in Acrobat, but you have to remember to
do it. Any manual step you have to remember to do is bound to be
forgotten.

You can use PageLabeler, but it costs money. Not every tech writer is in
a position to buy the tools he or she needs.

You can use hyperlinks if the reference is from the same book (and you
*should*). But you're not always in total control of the outside
cross-reference to your book.

Most of the time, I can come up with good reasons for a decision,
result, or process that seems "stupid". I'm always looking for better
ways to do something, but I hesitate to call other ways "worse". Someday
somebody is going to call my ways "stupid", and perhaps they'll be
right. Nonetheless, I won't like it. Likewise, I try to offer good new
ways to do something and let the old ways speak for themselves. *Try* is
the operative word here, I ain't perfect!


Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:44 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Properties

Count me among those who think continuous numbering with a change in
format makes no sense. It strikes me as completely stupid,
counterintuitive, and guaranteed to confuse. 




Graphics as Bullet icons

2006-03-06 Thread William Gaffga
You're not likely to find it in a font except by pure, wild,  
outrageous chance as those Word template styles use GIFs for the  
bullets. Check your installation of Word for these support files.

HTH.

Will.

On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:

> David Wollenberg wrote:
>
>> I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
>> template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
>> image of a mouse as the bullet.  I am hoping I can find it in a font
>> set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings, zapfdingbats,
>> symbol, cannot find it.
>
> Maybe I'm missing something -- what font does the Word template use?
>
> Richard