So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote: >It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think >that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker? Two answers... . First point: I was joking. . Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own documentation, about whi

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote: >It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think >that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker? Two answers... . First point: I was joking. . Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own documentation, about whi

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper >solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price? As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by closing off historical upgrade

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper >solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price? As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by closing off historical upgrade

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote: >I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps >it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse... Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it. -- Steve

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote: >Are others in the same boat? >Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a >later point upgrading again? Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck. -- Steve

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote: >I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps >it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse... Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it. -- Steve

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote: >Are others in the same boat? >Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a >later point upgrading again? Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck. -- Steve ___ You are currently

Frame Light, what's the potential market?

2011-02-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
I think I see where Adobe are coming from here... InCopy <-> InDesign Contribute <-> Dreamweaver FrameMaker Lite <-> FrameMaker ...maybe. As a sole worker using FrameMaker mostly for textbook production, I'd have no use for a Lite version, but it's encouraging to hear that Adobe are thinking

Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

2011-02-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
I think I see where Adobe are coming from here... InCopy <-> InDesign Contribute <-> Dreamweaver FrameMaker Lite <-> FrameMaker ...maybe. As a sole worker using FrameMaker mostly for textbook production, I'd have no use for a Lite version, but it's encouraging to hear that Adobe are thinking

Historical FrameMaker upgrades

2011-01-27 Thread Steve Rickaby
he frustrations of buying a Windows upgrade and then finding that I couldn't install it. -- Steve Rickaby <http://www.linkedin.com/in/steverickaby> WordMongers Ltd<http://www.wordmongers.com> Registered office Larks Cottage,

RE: Historical FrameMaker upgrades

2011-01-27 Thread Steve Rickaby
he frustrations of buying a Windows upgrade and then finding that I couldn't install it. -- Steve Rickaby <http://www.linkedin.com/in/steverickaby> WordMongers Ltd<http://www.wordmongers.com> Registered office Larks Cottage,

Historical FrameMaker upgrades

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:21 +0200 23/1/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >Most programs have a limit to how old your previous version can be and still >upgrade. One Adobe saleperson told me they usually let you upgrade for about 4 >new versions, but it's better to be safe than sorry. I upgraded from 7.2 to 9, >just in ca

FM: Searching for text that appears as a cross-reference

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:13 -0800 22/1/11, Roman Banks wrote: >As far as I know, Framemaker does not provide a 'conventional' functionality >for searching for text enclosed in cross-references. Is there a workaround for >this limitation? Of course, it is possible to create a PDF file and search for >the relevant

Historical FrameMaker upgrades

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
I've just discovered that with FrameMaker 10 Adobe are doing the same as with the Creative suite apps: historical upgrade paths are closed off, so one cannot upgrade directly from FrameMaker 7 to FrameMaker 10. Does anyone (Dov?) happen to know what the situation is with crossgrades? I've been

Disappearing graphics in Framemaker files

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:29 -0700 21/1/11, Spectrum Writing wrote: >I promise guys - View > Options would have been an overt series of clicks to >get there and I would have remembered that and I didn't do that, but here's >another thing - just opened one of the files in this lovely book and again, >apparently "no" g

Re: Historical FrameMaker upgrades

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:21 +0200 23/1/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >Most programs have a limit to how old your previous version can be and still >upgrade. One Adobe saleperson told me they usually let you upgrade for about 4 >new versions, but it's better to be safe than sorry. I upgraded from 7.2 to 9, >just in ca

Re: FM: Searching for text that appears as a cross-reference

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:13 -0800 22/1/11, Roman Banks wrote: >As far as I know, Framemaker does not provide a 'conventional' functionality >for searching for text enclosed in cross-references. Is there a workaround for >this limitation? Of course, it is possible to create a PDF file and search for >the relevant

Historical FrameMaker upgrades

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
I've just discovered that with FrameMaker 10 Adobe are doing the same as with the Creative suite apps: historical upgrade paths are closed off, so one cannot upgrade directly from FrameMaker 7 to FrameMaker 10. Does anyone (Dov?) happen to know what the situation is with crossgrades? I've been

RE: Disappearing graphics in Framemaker files

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:29 -0700 21/1/11, Spectrum Writing wrote: >I promise guys - View > Options would have been an overt series of clicks to >get there and I would have remembered that and I didn't do that, but here's >another thing - just opened one of the files in this lovely book and again, >apparently "no" g

Frame/InDesign

2011-01-13 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:56 + 11/1/11, Martin Ley wrote: >The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly >complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text >insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc. Martin: I use both too. Many of the features you list above

Re: Frame/InDesign

2011-01-13 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:56 + 11/1/11, Martin Ley wrote: >The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly >complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text >insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc. Martin: I use both too. Many of the features you list above

Ann: FrameMaker 10, TechSuite3, FMS10 + FINALYSER are available

2011-01-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 05:23 -0800 11/1/11, Writer wrote: >In addition, I just noticed that info about FM 10 is now on the Adobe site. > >http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html Interesting... I see the datasheet claims '...a new, intuitive user interface to easily create unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA

Re: Ann: FrameMaker 10, TechSuite3, FMS10 + FINALYSER are available

2011-01-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 05:23 -0800 11/1/11, Writer wrote: >In addition, I just noticed that info about FM 10 is now on the Adobe site. > >http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html Interesting... I see the datasheet claims '...a new, intuitive user interface to easily create unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA

Wisdom about spacing content on a page

2010-12-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:49 -0700 2/12/10, Jim Duszynski wrote: >I am working on a software User's Guide and desire to present the content in >such a way that all the information or instruction that relates to a specific >subject or task is grouped on the same page (without sacrificing appropriate >white space).

Re: Wisdom about spacing content on a page

2010-12-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:49 -0700 2/12/10, Jim Duszynski wrote: >I am working on a software User's Guide and desire to present the content in >such a way that all the information or instruction that relates to a specific >subject or task is grouped on the same page (without sacrificing appropriate >white space).

OTT: Excel

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
Does anyone know of a discussion group anywhere approaching the quality of FrameUsers, for Excel? -- Steve

FrameMaker 10 Officially Demonstrated At tekom Conference

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:24 -0500 9/11/10, Rick Quatro wrote: >The way the feature is implemented, you wouldn't get the results you did in >your book. It is basically like "highlighting" with no control over >background height or offsets, etc. Bah. >As far as the book, I hope you used some kind of automation to ge

OTT: Excel

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
Does anyone know of a discussion group anywhere approaching the quality of FrameUsers, for Excel? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe se

RE: FrameMaker 10 Officially Demonstrated At tekom Conference

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:24 -0500 9/11/10, Rick Quatro wrote: >The way the feature is implemented, you wouldn't get the results you did in >your book. It is basically like "highlighting" with no control over >background height or offsets, etc. Bah. >As far as the book, I hope you used some kind of automation to ge

FrameMaker 10 Officially Demonstrated At tekom Conference

2010-11-09 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 07:29 + 9/11/10, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: >Background colour as a new character property Whoah! A few years back we spent a couple of hundred hours creating that effect synthetically. Results here if anyone's interested...

RE: FrameMaker 10 Officially Demonstrated At tekom Conference

2010-11-09 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 07:29 + 9/11/10, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: >Background colour as a new character property Whoah! A few years back we spent a couple of hundred hours creating that effect synthetically. Results here if anyone's interested...

FM file print erroring out

2010-11-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
hen FrameMaker gets to specific EPSs files that have something weird in them. Something to try next time is, if you cannot print the document, to see if you can create a PDF from it and print that. -- Steve Rickaby <http://www.linkedin.com/in/steverickaby>

RE: FM file print erroring out

2010-11-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
hen FrameMaker gets to specific EPSs files that have something weird in them. Something to try next time is, if you cannot print the document, to see if you can create a PDF from it and print that. -- Steve Rickaby <http://www.linkedin.com/in/steverickaby>

[OT] Adobe's pricing policy

2010-10-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 16:03 +0200 28/10/10, Yves Barbion wrote: >Huh? Darryl is maybe a computer program of some sort? I had a similar exchange with PayPal recently. That time, after wending my way through an impenetrable forest of web options, I talked to a real, [apparently] human female, but for all the sense

Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

2010-10-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 16:03 +0200 28/10/10, Yves Barbion wrote: >Huh? Darryl is maybe a computer program of some sort? I had a similar exchange with PayPal recently. That time, after wending my way through an impenetrable forest of web options, I talked to a real, [apparently] human female, but for all the sense

To remove local formatting from a paragraph

2010-09-27 Thread Steve Rickaby
fer commands to find local overrides and remove them, as well as many other useful stuff. They are very reasonably priced. <http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com> -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph

2010-09-27 Thread Steve Rickaby
fer commands to find local overrides and remove them, as well as many other useful stuff. They are very reasonably priced. <http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com> -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd ht

Mystery shortcut: help required

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Rickaby
I've just (accidentally) typed command-option-5 in the book window of Mac FrameMaker (version 7). FrameMaker opened every book file, did something and then closed them again. I can't find this keystroke listed in the shortcuts. What did I do? -- Steve

Mystery shortcut: help required

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Rickaby
I've just (accidentally) typed command-option-5 in the book window of Mac FrameMaker (version 7). FrameMaker opened every book file, did something and then closed them again. I can't find this keystroke listed in the shortcuts. What did I do? -- Steve ___

Thought for the day

2010-05-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
Clearly we have a great range of international English expertise on this group: the thought of a collaborative dictionary of phraseology comes to mind. It would be very useful for those like me who often have to work in another English dialect: what to say, what not to say. Many years ago I wa

Re: Thought for the day

2010-05-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
Clearly we have a great range of international English expertise on this group: the thought of a collaborative dictionary of phraseology comes to mind. It would be very useful for those like me who often have to work in another English dialect: what to say, what not to say. Many years ago I wa

reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Rickaby
a parent element, which makes the whole scheme simpler to use. -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

Re: reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Rickaby
a parent element, which makes the whole scheme simpler to use. -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@m

Frame 7.1 to 8 upgrade -- benefits?

2010-04-09 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:38 -0700 9/4/10, Writer wrote: > > I think my first question would be if >> FM 8 isn't offered for sale anywhere >> because it's not a supported release, how you'd upgrade... > >That thought crossed my mind as well. As well as what Jeremy says, eBay. That's how I upgraded from 6 to 7 on Mac

Re: Frame 7.1 to 8 upgrade -- benefits?

2010-04-09 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:38 -0700 9/4/10, Writer wrote: > > I think my first question would be if >> FM 8 isn't offered for sale anywhere >> because it's not a supported release, how you'd upgrade... > >That thought crossed my mind as well. As well as what Jeremy says, eBay. That's how I upgraded from 6 to 7 on Mac

Odd Numbering Scenario

2010-03-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:02 -0500 23/3/10, Joseph Lorenzini wrote: >In one of my books it seems to matter and I don't know why. My first appendix >starts at "D" instead of "A". Its as if as there's two appendices preceding >this first framemaker file but I know there is not. Any ideas on what's going >on? That w

Re: Odd Numbering Scenario

2010-03-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:02 -0500 23/3/10, Joseph Lorenzini wrote: >In one of my books it seems to matter and I don't know why. My first appendix >starts at "D" instead of "A". Its as if as there's two appendices preceding >this first framemaker file but I know there is not. Any ideas on what's going >on? That w

FrameMaker vs InDesign book files

2010-02-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:39 -0500 27/2/10, Rick Quatro wrote: >I thought maybe scripting could come to the rescue, since InDesign has a lot >of scripting choices (AppleScript on Mac, VBScript on PC, JavaScript on >both). My thought was to write a script that would loop through the >duplicated book's files and point

RE: FrameMaker vs InDesign book files

2010-02-28 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:39 -0500 27/2/10, Rick Quatro wrote: >I thought maybe scripting could come to the rescue, since InDesign has a lot >of scripting choices (AppleScript on Mac, VBScript on PC, JavaScript on >both). My thought was to write a script that would loop through the >duplicated book's files and point

FrameMaker vs InDesign book files

2010-02-27 Thread Steve Rickaby
Here is an issue that just caught me out, so I'm posting it here in case it's of use to anyone who uses both apps. When versioning books in FrameMaker, I duplicate the entire enclosing folder and then create an alias to the book file in the copied folder. This is a common operation. The alias

FrameMaker vs InDesign book files

2010-02-27 Thread Steve Rickaby
Here is an issue that just caught me out, so I'm posting it here in case it's of use to anyone who uses both apps. When versioning books in FrameMaker, I duplicate the entire enclosing folder and then create an alias to the book file in the copied folder. This is a common operation. The alias

Graphic Bullets

2010-02-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
with FrameMaker and everything is simple. -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

Graphic Bullets

2010-02-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
aker is a bit foxy about what it displays and what it doesn't under these circumstances, so some experimentation is necessary. HTH. -- --- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

RE: Graphic Bullets

2010-02-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
with FrameMaker and everything is simple. -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send

RE: Graphic Bullets

2010-02-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
aker is a bit foxy about what it displays and what it doesn't under these circumstances, so some experimentation is necessary. HTH. -- --- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk __

Utilities for FM 8

2010-02-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 19:54 -0800 10/2/10, Joe Malin wrote: >After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) again for >a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents, >I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all the >utilities I once used such

Re: Utilities for FM 8

2010-02-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 19:54 -0800 10/2/10, Joe Malin wrote: >After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) again for >a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents, >I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all the >utilities I once used such

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:57 -0500 29/1/10, Rick Quatro wrote: >I realize that Dov has nothing directly to do with FrameMaker, but I wonder >if any of the FrameMaker people at Adobe read this list. That Jacques guy said he did: the evangelist person. -- Steve

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:58 -0800 28/1/10, Dov Isaacs wrote: >On the Macintosh, real grayscale TIFF came out into PostScript and hence PDF >as grayscale. Other than for EPS, this never happened on Windows prior to >FrameMaker 9 "save as PDF" without the RGB option Quite frankly, if you >really need to worry a

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:57 -0500 29/1/10, Rick Quatro wrote: >I realize that Dov has nothing directly to do with FrameMaker, but I wonder >if any of the FrameMaker people at Adobe read this list. That Jacques guy said he did: the evangelist person. -- Steve ___ You a

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:58 -0800 28/1/10, Dov Isaacs wrote: >On the Macintosh, real grayscale TIFF came out into PostScript and hence PDF >as grayscale. Other than for EPS, this never happened on Windows prior to >FrameMaker 9 "save as PDF" without the RGB option Quite frankly, if you >really need to worry a

Something that makes no sense in spell check: resolved, sort of

2009-12-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:51 -0500 22/12/09, Stuart Rogers wrote: >Looks perfectly normal (compared to a test file I just made). Have you tried >typing something in the Correction box and clicking Correct? After that, I'm >out of ideas, sorry. The suggested correction is the non-existent period following by one s

Something that makes no sense in spell check

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:23 -0500 22/12/09, Stuart Rogers wrote: >Have you tried saving as MIF and then examining the MIF file in a plain text >editor? Search for the text surrounding the problem area and see if there's >anything unusual. You might be able to do a find/replace operation within the >text editor

Re: Something that makes no sense in spell check: resolved, sort of

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:51 -0500 22/12/09, Stuart Rogers wrote: >Looks perfectly normal (compared to a test file I just made). Have you tried >typing something in the Correction box and clicking Correct? After that, I'm >out of ideas, sorry. The suggested correction is the non-existent period following by one s

Something that makes no sense in spell check

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:50 -0500 22/12/09, Rick Quatro wrote: >The first thing I would do is save the file as MIF and reopen it. Thanks Rick... but, following earlier oddities, all the files in this book have been thoroughly MIFfed. -- Steve

Something that makes no sense in spell check

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
FrameMaker 7.0p577, Mac OS X 10.4.11, FrameMaker files possibly with some Word dross. (Yes, i know it's an old version, best I can do at present.) The spell check stops in the space before a cross-reference, showing 'Extra space?'. There is no supernumary space in the text on screen. The objects

Re: Something that makes no sense in spell check

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:23 -0500 22/12/09, Stuart Rogers wrote: >Have you tried saving as MIF and then examining the MIF file in a plain text >editor? Search for the text surrounding the problem area and see if there's >anything unusual. You might be able to do a find/replace operation within the >text editor

RE: Something that makes no sense in spell check

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:50 -0500 22/12/09, Rick Quatro wrote: >The first thing I would do is save the file as MIF and reopen it. Thanks Rick... but, following earlier oddities, all the files in this book have been thoroughly MIFfed. -- Steve ___ You are currently su

Something that makes no sense in spell check

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
FrameMaker 7.0p577, Mac OS X 10.4.11, FrameMaker files possibly with some Word dross. (Yes, i know it's an old version, best I can do at present.) The spell check stops in the space before a cross-reference, showing 'Extra space?'. There is no supernumary space in the text on screen. The objects

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:03 -0600 7/12/09, Peter Gold wrote: >Just a quick thought: With View > Text Symbols ON, does any frame in >the text flow display the black line overflow indicator at the bottom >of the frame? No. > This might shed a bit more light on where to seek the >missing frame. It's a bit counter-int

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:37 -0500 7/12/09, Fred Ridder wrote: >This is beginning to make sense. If the frames are anchored in a paragraph >that cannot extend across the sidehead area, and the frame is a little too >wide to fit within that margin, when you set the frame to float it will float >away until it finds

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 07:04 -0800 7/12/09, Les Smalley wrote: >Are your frames anchored to a unique paragraph tag? No, not at present. > If they are, a possible fix is to change the pagination properties for the > 'anchor' paragraph to be across all columns and sideheads. You may need to > adjust the anchored

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
I have made a little progress by messing with a test file. I'm still looking for quick fixes, of necessity. The template for this book was inherited from an Indian company, and had some bad stuff in it (such as requiring a triple-click to select a word rather than a double-click (!?&*?!), of wh

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 01:12 -0800 7/12/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > >I cannot do that at this stage from the Word sources, as >>the book has been heavily edited (and typeset). Would >>cutting and pasting from the FrameMaker document into a >>clean new FrameMaker document and reformatting work? > >Yes. It doesn't

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 13:44 -0800 4/12/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > >the only unusual thing about this book is that >>the source files were brought in from Word via RTF > >That could very likely be the culprit. The RTF and Word import filters are >VERY BAD, and introduce many strange artifacts into the resulting

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:03 -0600 7/12/09, Peter Gold wrote: >Just a quick thought: With View > Text Symbols ON, does any frame in >the text flow display the black line overflow indicator at the bottom >of the frame? No. > This might shed a bit more light on where to seek the >missing frame. It's a bit counter-int

RE: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:37 -0500 7/12/09, Fred Ridder wrote: >This is beginning to make sense. If the frames are anchored in a paragraph >that cannot extend across the sidehead area, and the frame is a little too >wide to fit within that margin, when you set the frame to float it will float >away until it finds

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 07:04 -0800 7/12/09, Les Smalley wrote: >Are your frames anchored to a unique paragraph tag? No, not at present. > If they are, a possible fix is to change the pagination properties for the > 'anchor' paragraph to be across all columns and sideheads. You may need to > adjust the anchored

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
I have made a little progress by messing with a test file. I'm still looking for quick fixes, of necessity. The template for this book was inherited from an Indian company, and had some bad stuff in it (such as requiring a triple-click to select a word rather than a double-click (!?&*?!), of wh

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 01:12 -0800 7/12/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > >I cannot do that at this stage from the Word sources, as >>the book has been heavily edited (and typeset). Would >>cutting and pasting from the FrameMaker document into a >>clean new FrameMaker document and reformatting work? > >Yes. It doesn't

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 13:44 -0800 4/12/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > >the only unusual thing about this book is that >>the source files were brought in from Word via RTF > >That could very likely be the culprit. The RTF and Word import filters are >VERY BAD, and introduce many strange artifacts into the resulting

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:49 -0500 4/12/09, Art Campbell wrote: >I'd suggest that part of your testing include less vintage versions. 7.0 was >buggy enough that 7.1 and 7.2 were pushed out the door Well, v. 7 is all that is available to me, as I'm on a pre-Intel Mac, at least for the present. You may be right

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
No answers on this yet but this FrameMaker file clearly has some bad juju in it, despite MIF-washing: in repaginating it, I've just had FrameMaker display only half of a floating table. When I've put the book to bed I will do some experimentation with this document and try to get clearer pictur

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:49 -0500 4/12/09, Art Campbell wrote: >I'd suggest that part of your testing include less vintage versions. 7.0 was >buggy enough that 7.1 and 7.2 were pushed out the door Well, v. 7 is all that is available to me, as I'm on a pre-Intel Mac, at least for the present. You may be right

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-04 Thread Steve Rickaby
No answers on this yet but this FrameMaker file clearly has some bad juju in it, despite MIF-washing: in repaginating it, I've just had FrameMaker display only half of a floating table. When I've put the book to bed I will do some experimentation with this document and try to get clearer pictur

Long code samples in shaded table

2009-12-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
Richard... thanks for this. Yes, this sounds like the way to go... but tomorrow now, as it's 6:30 pm here. -- Steve

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:48 + 1/12/09, I wrote: >As another aside, I just noticed that FrameMaker doesn't increment autonumbers >if the autonumbered paragraphs lie in disjoint text frames that are themselves >within an anchored frame. This is true even if both frames belong to the same >named flow. I wonder i

Long code samples in shaded table

2009-12-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:28 +0100 2/12/09, Klaus Daube wrote: >How about this idea: >- Convert all lines (paragraphs) of the code example to a table (one paragraph >becoming one >row. >- Use a table format with no horizontal ruling between the rows. >- The automatic breakting between the rows should be no problem.

RE: Long code samples in shaded table

2009-12-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
Richard... thanks for this. Yes, this sounds like the way to go... but tomorrow now, as it's 6:30 pm here. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsub

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:48 + 1/12/09, I wrote: >As another aside, I just noticed that FrameMaker doesn't increment autonumbers >if the autonumbered paragraphs lie in disjoint text frames that are themselves >within an anchored frame. This is true even if both frames belong to the same >named flow. I wonder i

Re: Long code samples in shaded table

2009-12-02 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:28 +0100 2/12/09, Klaus Daube wrote: >How about this idea: >- Convert all lines (paragraphs) of the code example to a table (one paragraph >becoming one >row. >- Use a table format with no horizontal ruling between the rows. >- The automatic breakting between the rows should be no problem.

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
s classifies as a bug, or whether it's intentional? It's an odd thing: after years of completely reliable hard-core service from FrameMaker, this particular book is throwing up quite a few issues I've never seen before, including some crashes and freezes. Maybe it's jinxed. -- --- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

Sad news about Rick Henkel

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
om this group than any other. -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
s classifies as a bug, or whether it's intentional? It's an odd thing: after years of completely reliable hard-core service from FrameMaker, this particular book is throwing up quite a few issues I've never seen before, including some crashes and freezes. Maybe i

Re: Sad news about Rick Henkel

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
om this group than any other. -- ------- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com.

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:37 -0800 30/11/09, Les Smalley wrote: >Are other graphic visible? Yes. > In the View > Options dialog, there's a check box to hide graphics (makes > scrolling through pages much faster). No, that's not it: all other graphics display normally. >Is it possible that the offset info is cor

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:06 -0500 30/11/09, Shuttleworth, Roger wrote: >I wonder if the frame is 1 point in height and width - that is, empty and >shrinkwrapped. No, these were large frames with graphics contents. Copied to an empty FrameMaker document, they display normally. >If you can select the anchor, can y

Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:37 -0800 30/11/09, Les Smalley wrote: >Are other graphic visible? Yes. > In the View > Options dialog, there's a check box to hide graphics (makes > scrolling through pages much faster). No, that's not it: all other graphics display normally. >Is it possible that the offset info is cor

Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
-washing does not seem to affect this issue. This is by far the most serious bug I've ever come across in what is otherwise and outstandingly reliable product. My question: has anyone else seen this behaviour, and if so, do you know the cause and a fix? -- Steve Rickaby

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