[Framers] OT: Trouble with an Acrobat pdf file with no source

[Theresa de Valence]

Everybody is always so smart here, so I thought to ask.

I have a 240 page pdf of Steam Combination Oven Cookbook for a Miele 
oven. The document orginally was made by Miele, but someone unknown 
inserted a reduced front+back cover as page 2 (which I have now removed 
to the back of the book).


Now the document prints correctly.

So the new problem is that a correct display in Acrobat in a Two Page 
View would be Single First Page, then a display of 2 + 3, 4 + 5, etc.


How do I achieve this? (Using Adobe Acobat XI Pro)

Thanks,
Theresa



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Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...

[Theresa de Valence]

Well, my name is not a regular one, but I've been reading this list for 
many, many years and I'm very fond of so many of you!


Happy New Year.

Regards,
Theresa
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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Theresa de Valence]

Tammy,

I don't remember exactly, but you can make autonumbering remember 
different series of things. There is some variable like SORT A, SORT B 
that makes you able to say something like A: B:


-Theresa

On 3/12/2021 12:28 PM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I am not trying to recalculate
autonumbering in the generated TOC. I am indeed trying to extract the number
from the paragraph tag, and I think that is the crux of the matter.
SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file whereas the
tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not auto-numbered. The
numbering is not at the file level such as with $Chapnum, so I am probably
trying to mix apples and oranges (for lack of a better metaphor). . . trying
to extract a paragraph number from one tag and get it assigned to another
tag when generating the TOC. I swear I had done this successfully before,
but for the life of me, I can't figure out how I did it. . . . I have punted
for now and did a little kludging to the SectionTitle paragraph tag to get
the number to pop in the TOC.  It isn't elegant, but it works.

Thanks!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

Hi, Tammy:

The first thing that comes to my senior FM'ers mind is that your TOC formats
might be failing because perhaps your scheme is trying to recalculate
autonumbering in the generated TOC, instead of simply extracting the
numbering from the chapter file paragraphs.

I've always been a little worse at trying to debug someone else's
problematic autonumbering, than at debugging my own. That's when I referred
to various postings and examples. So, I tried a search for "examples of
framemaker book autonumbering" and found plenty of old familiar stuff. If
you haven't tried it, see if there are any useful memory triggers in the
search results.

HTH


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:27 PM  wrote:


OK,



Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long
since I have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker,
that I am just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something
before. Here's my current conundrum:



On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags:

1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in
the book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all
subsequent chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set
to
Keep with Previous Paragraph.





In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are
denoted with a special master page layout that is different from the
first page of the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags
including the
following:

1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.

At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for
each chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it
is numbering correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2,
etc.



For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle
and SectionTitle.

1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter
<$chapnum>:
<$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.



I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section
Title contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I
am missing the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations
that I have tried, but no matter what I try, I wind up with the
following:



 Section:  .



I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section"
like I can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is
a book-level variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber,
but I am at a loss to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out
there can point me to what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight,
I would be most appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another
manual, but that manual is no longer in my possession, so I can't
refer to it for clarification.



TIA,







Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com



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Re: [Framers] (Re)install Frame 12 and Acrobat Pro 10

[Theresa de Valence]

On 9/28/2020 12:44 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:

You'll need to deactivate FM on the old machine first.


So I'll have to deactivate Acrobat also?

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[Framers] (Re)install Frame 12 and Acrobat Pro 10

[Theresa de Valence]

Hope you folks can give me some guidance.

On a new box (Win 10) I'd like to install Frame 12 and Acrobat Pro 10.

Am I correct in believing that Frame 12 can be downloaded from Adobe 
website account?


I have the DVD for Adobe Acrobat Pro 10. I remember something tricky 
about loading one of those programs first, but don't remember which one.


Thanks for all the great reading you framers have given me over the years.

Regards,
Theresa



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Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)

[Theresa de Valence]

Dennis, the cheat sheet is a tri-fold stiff cardboard published by Adobe 
©2003. Part Number 9003 7318 (05/02W).


On 8/25/2020 5:50 PM, Dennis Hays wrote:

Who originally published that 3-panel cheat sheet?

Dennis

On August 25, 2020 3:36:00 PM Theresa de Valence  wrote:


I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for
documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick
Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it.

It's 3 panels of card stock which fold together. Each panel is approx
7.5" (19 mm) x 8.5" (22 mm).

When I first wrote the first line, I wrote
"older Frame users"
which I realized must constitute most of us!

Cheers,
Theresa
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[Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)

[Theresa de Valence]

I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for 
documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick 
Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it.


It's 3 panels of card stock which fold together. Each panel is approx 
7.5" (19 mm) x 8.5" (22 mm).


When I first wrote the first line, I wrote
"older Frame users"
which I realized must constitute most of us!

Cheers,
Theresa
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Re: [Framers] Spelling bee champs out there?

[Theresa de Valence]

I have a hazy memory of a similar problem which was fixed by Search 
 then Replace with .


Theresa

On 10/30/2018 1:19 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote:

Good thought Stephen!
Alternatively, a "lookalike" character from a different alphabet?
Grant

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Sent: 10/26/2018 1:11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Spelling bee champs out there?


At 19:32 -0600 25/10/18,  wrote:

...if anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it.  (I can't believe 
it, but

yet I can, that FM would be buggy for this one word!)


Maybe it's just FrameMaker being a bit more human. I have a few words 
that I can't abide. Such as 'deal' ;-)


To be sensible for a moment (why?), is there any possibility that your 
source document has been compiled from some cut and paste operation 
that has resulted in each instance of the problem word containing, 
say, hidden characters?


I ask because whenever I work on a document with a lot of repetition, 
I use a text expander instead of endlessly typing, say, 
antidisestablishmentarianism or whatever, and if the source word in 
the expander somehow has cruft in it, you get that cruft in every 
instance of the word. I have also programmed the expander with my all 
favorite typos: maybe your author got sick of typing 'hieght' and then 
correcting it?


Just a thought... Other than that, maybe try a reinstall of 
FrameMaker? But odds on it's a problem with the document rather than 
with the app.


--
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[Framers] OT: Acrobat Upgrade

[Theresa de Valence]

Once before I upgraded my Acrobat installation and it upgraded me to DC. 
What I don't remember was whether it was Acrobat Reader or my full 
installation of XI. Laboriously I uninstalled it. Then I removed Reader 
from my system so I wouldn't get those messages again.


Now the dialogue box is telling me to upgrade my version of Acrobat XI.

Should I believe it?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: [Framers] ebook from FM12

[Theresa de Valence]

I have 12 and have never figured out how to publish epub successfully. 
It's the reason I upgraded from v8. I've been a Frame user since v4 or so.


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Re: [Framers] Anyone have any spiffy FM resume templates?

[Theresa de Valence]

I'd like it too, please.

On 3/15/2017 12:52 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

I've put in a request to Carol to see if she'd be willing to host it on the
Framers site. In all honesty, all I really did was take the two formats
that Adobe created and melded them together to suit my tastes.

If she's not able to host it, I'll continue to send it at request. :)

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:41 PM, lklane64  wrote:


I'd love a copy as well 
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[Framers] Search and replace End Paragraph with Comma Space

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi Framers. I'm putting the contents of an Excel spreadsheet into a 
frame document. I've copied the relevant spreadsheet lines (several 
columns) and used Paste Special into Frame which created a simple table. 
Then I marked the table and chose Convert to Paragraph and now all the 
cell contents terminate with a Return (CR).


Now I'd like to replace all the CR with Comma Space but am unsure what 
the magic characters are for the Return.


Or should I have done this a different way?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: [Framers] Up for discussion: changing Framers' default Reply-To behavior

[Theresa de Valence]

I'm happy with Reply To All, but my email client lets me choose.

I do not, however, get my own name on my posts!

Cheers,
Theresa

P.S. Thanks Carol!

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Theresa de Valence]

On 8/10/2016 11:37 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

I would suggest you use thumbs tabs on every page, and move them down
the page as the chapters increment. This makes them easier to use. I
can tell you how to do this (automatically, unstructured) if you
decide to go down this route.



I would be interested to know how to do this.

Thanks,
Theresa de Valence

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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats - Penelope Perkins

[Theresa de Valence]

Penelope Perkins wrote to me personally, based on this conversational 
thread. I think I've been caught by her spam filter. If you see this, 
Penelope, please write back!


Thanks,
Theresa

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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

Sorry, if I said that I mis-spoke. When highlighting the character that 
does not display correctly, CTRL-D shows the family to be ZapfDingbats. 
I eventually realized that does not mean the font is actually installed.


I no longer have anything but 8 and 12 installed on this computer. Frame 
7.2 CD did not have Adobe Type Manager.


On 6/30/2016 6:22 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

You said that you have FM8 and FM12 on the same system, and that the
font displays correctly in FM8. If both those are true, the font is
installed in Windows, and the problem is that something's different
FM12.

In FrameMaker 6, the file for ZapfDingbats was in C:\Program
Files\Adobe\Acrobat 4.0\Resource\Font\Zd__.pfb. I believe in FM72
it was in a similar location. I believe you could re-install by
following the instructions at:

http://www.adobe.com/products/type/install-instructions.html

That would fix things if the problem is a corrupt font. If the problem
is bad font mapping, you need to edit the FM12 maker.ini.
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

No, my fonts folder has no Zapfdingbats.

On 6/30/2016 4:42 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Compare the maker.ini files, as I described before. That's probably
where the problem is.

If the font were not installed, you would not see it on screen in FM8,
so that's not the problem.

Is there a Zapf Dingbats file in your \Windows\Fonts folder? If so,
right-click on it. What does it show for "Type of file"?

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Theresa de Valence <t...@bstw.com> wrote:

Hmmm. I just found the Frame 8 CD and put in Disk 1 and chose the only thing
that looked likely which was Autoplay.exe. It started the install shield
wizard which gave me a beep and said Frame 8 was already installed on this
system.

How do I choose to install fonts only? (I can't see anything that looks like
fonts on either CD)

Thanks.


On 6/30/2016 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:


If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
think it must be installed.

If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
files are installed.

Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence <t...@bstw.com> wrote:


On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:



Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?




Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font
is
Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.

But I've moved since I got that CD!


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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

Hmmm. I just found the Frame 8 CD and put in Disk 1 and chose the only 
thing that looked likely which was Autoplay.exe. It started the install 
shield wizard which gave me a beep and said Frame 8 was already 
installed on this system.


How do I choose to install fonts only? (I can't see anything that looks 
like fonts on either CD)


Thanks.

On 6/30/2016 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
think it must be installed.

If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
files are installed.

Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence <t...@bstw.com> wrote:

On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:


Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?



Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font is
Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.

But I've moved since I got that CD!

Thanks.


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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

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On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?


Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font 
is Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.


But I've moved since I got that CD!

Thanks.

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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

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I have Zapf Dingbats available in my Frame 8 installation. How do I get 
them to Frame 12?


Thanks,
Theresa

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[Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are not 
on my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, but 
the screen display is gobbledygook.


What do people use for these fonts nowadays?

Thanks,
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Workspaces

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Could someone please tell me where the saved custom workspace
files (.fws) are located? I created two, and save them, and closed 
Frame, and don't seem to be able to find them.


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Re: OT: Adobe Fonts (and some comments/rants on the new Adobe web-site)

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Z, very nice rant. I hope SOMEONE from Adobe responds to this (be nice 
if they did on this forum too!)


Cheers,
Theresa


On 10/24/2014 11:37 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
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Publish fails in Frame 12

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Seems adobe.com is not frequented by Adobe tech support staff, or at 
least very often. Where does one go to find answers about Adobe products?


I’ll recap my issues:
Frame 12.0.3 document, my Fm book began with Frame Standard Template for 
User Guide.

Looks fine in pdf.
In Publish pod, am trying to generate an epub.

When I first published my fm book to epub, the “publish” process worked 
correctly and I could read the log report. The epub was not correct however.


So, understanding a bit more, I started a new Settings file and I have 
mapped:


HeadingBook to h1 (Heading 1)
HeadingVolume to h2 (Heading 2)
Heading0 to h3 (Heading 3)
Heading1 to h3 (Heading 3)
Heading2 to h4 (Heading 4)
Heading3 to h5 (Heading 5)
all the Heading...TOC files to h6 (Heading 6)
and
BodyBegin to p.BodyLevel1
BodyContent to p.BodyLevel2

In ALL of the Style Mappings of paratags, NONE of the other tickboxes 
has been selected (e.g. Exclude from output, Pagination, Autonumber, etc.).


Note that I have several fm paratags mapped to one HTML tag. No other 
paragraph tags or character tags in the fm document has been mapped.


Although the process gives me the option to View Output, the output is 
not correct and I'm still getting
MIF: C:\Users\...\AppData\Local\Temp\TPUBTMP\FileName_A01.mif (5239): 
Value of Separation out of range (10)

(this error is for the whole book)

If I publish only one fm file I get
MIF: C:\Users\...\AppData\Local\Temp\TPUBTMP\FileName_.mif (5707): 
Value of Separation out of range (10)



One more thought:
Niels Grundtvig Nielsen suggested the problem might have to do with 
colour definitions and he discussed his directly modifying the MIF file 
which solved *his* problem. I've no idea *how* to modify the MIF file, 
so I’d rather not go there. BUT the Frame Standard Templates use a 
colour definition called “CorporateColor_Primary”, so please consider 
this amongst the issues.



Suggestions?


Thanks in advance,
Theresa
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Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style

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Importing revised paragraph format to other files in book:
Although the ending file shows the correct paragraph format name, the 
contents of the paragraph format are not getting imported.


Original paragraph format had 14pt Myriad Pro with bold and colour as 
CorporateColor_Primary


*new* paragraph format was Times Roman 12pt unbolded.

I imported the paragraph formats several times with the same result.

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Re: Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style - MY ERROR

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On 9/30/2014 3:16 PM, Craig Ede wrote:

Do you have the checkbox at the bottom of the Import Formats dialog
checked (Other format/layout overrides)?


I did not have override selected. Re-running accordingly works just 
fine, thanks.




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Troubleshooting Frame 12's Publish pod

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My unstructured Frame book autonumbers correctly, generates TOC, saves 
to pdf and displays correctly.


I’ve minor experience creating html newsletters, so I’ve seen a CSS. I 
understand enough about ePub to know that a CSS will control formatting.


Using Frame 12’s Publish feature, the ePub is generated successfully. 
The epub has

-chapters out of order,
-a correct TOC (from fm book files), but an error message when Table of 
Contents item is clicked on (The file x.htm does not exist) [from 
Sigil, an ebook publisher, which shows the content of epubs]

-a CSS for every file in the book

Previously I thought that the left hand (Frame) didn’t know what the 
right (CSS) was doing, or how elements related to each other, and so I 
needed to use a structured Frame document to establish the relationship. 
I’ve been told that’s incorrect.


I now understand that Frame 12’s ability to publish to epub, etc. is 
derived from Robohelp, but it’s been a trillion years since I used 
Robohelp, so that doesn’t help me. I haven’t had a copy of Robohelp on 
my machine for decades, so I can’t see this live.


In the Publish pod, edit Settings, a Style Mapping dialogue shows all of 
the current document’s paragraph tags. Selecting one paratag (the left 
hand) displays a choice of output (the right hand). (I posted the 
screen images to adobe.com forum here: 
https://forums.adobe.com/message/6715414#6715414 )


Where does this list of output styles (elements) come from? Adobe’s 
programmers? An accident of fate? What defines what that format is? Is 
this where the CSS comes from?


Since I’m publishing rubbish, have I inadvertently massaged my Settings 
file? Where do I find an uncorrupted one?


I can understand tweaking a CSS to make it better, but I can’t 
understand if I haven’t created a CSS in the first place.


Ideas or pointers are appreciated.

Thanks,
Theresa

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Re: Shortcut Tools

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I think the author’s name was Schlomo Perets (sorry if I’ve hatcheted
it). Can someone point me to these tools or provide a push in the right
direction?


Hi Paul, I just sent a note to Shlomo. His website is
http://microtype.com/

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Theresa
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WAS: Structured: about containers, NOW: Publish ePub

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Several people have advised me to stick to unstructured Frame for my 
project, so I’ll comply.


To recap: To start my project I used the new Frame 12 templates by 
Bernard Aschwanden for unstructured user manual because I wanted to 
learn about how to use Frame in new ways (I had just upgraded from v8). 
I then built a Frame book for my two crime fiction novellas which 
generates TOC and publishes to pdf just fine.


Originally when I published to epub the chapters came out in a bizarre 
order, so I thought that the underlying Frame book structure was somehow 
not coming through to the epub—this is why I thought I had to move to 
structured Frame. Now onwards.


Today, the Publish ePub successfully completes. Looking at the ebook in 
Sigil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_%28application%29) the TOC is 
completely screwy. Sigil has three panels: files in book, display of 
selected file contents, and TOC. Clicking on any entry in the TOC 
produces the error File x does not exist, where x is the fm book 
component file name.


There is also one CSS per file in book, so about 30 of them.

Ideas?

Thanks,
Theresa

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Structured: about containers, other matter and chapter numbering

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Hi Framers, thanks for all the help you’ve given me so far.

Naturally, I’ve got some more structured Frame questions.

To recap: I’m creating a structured book so that I can create one ebook 
out of two fiction novellas. I am aware that it’s possible to do this in 
an unstructured world, but I’m not.


In order to get the two novellas to display the correct title of the 
story (novella) on the master page, I understand I’ll need separate 
books (nested).


Let’s say my EDD begins:
Element (Container): FrameBook
Valid as the highest-level element.

To create the child-book, I will need
Element (Container): VolumeBook
then
Element (Container): Chapter
then
Element (Container): Section

As the chapter files are separate files, does the outside container 
(FrameBook) exist in the chapter files, or, do I list both VolumeBook 
and Chapter as Valid as the highest-level element?


In FrameBook, there will also be Front Matter and Back Matter. Can I use 
the Section element here or should I create a new element called 
OtherMatter?



One of the novellas has a Prologue. This behaves in most ways like a 
chapter except that no number is displayed and its leading caption 
(title) is different, i.e. Prologue, Chapter 1, Chapter 2. In 
unstructured Frame, I cheated and took a bad shortcut. I copied the 
master page and took out the autonumber paratag so that Chapter 
doesn’t show up on the printed page. However, the TOC is not working 
right, so this is not a good solution.


--Do I use paratag Chapter for the prologue and then Format  Document 
 Numbering to reset the second instance of Chapter to be =1 ?
--Do I remove the word Chapter from the master page? How then do I get 
the word Chapter to show up on all printed chapters except the 
Prologue (including the TOC)?

--Do I have one element or two in the EDD?


Hard to believe but I am progressing.

Thanks for your advice,
Theresa
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Help tips for structured Framemaker?

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Thanks to all for the pointers to building my own EDD using the manual 
Developing Structured Applications (Structure_Dev_Guide.pdf) from Adobe.


Where can I go and find out more about what the structured 
elements/attributes mean?


I've had no success with Adobe.com or the Framemaker 12 help pdf.

Specifically at the moment, I'm trying to find out how Frame decides 
when and how to apply FirstIndentRelative i.e. relative to what? In 
following the instructions, it seems to me all I did was input a value 
for a Paragraph Indent, but I have not told Frame any rules about WHEN 
to apply this command.


For those who don't have this exercise fresh in their memory ;-) there 
has been an Indent (0.3) added in all contexts to the Section element. 
The Title element has a (-0.3) FirstIndentRelative.


Is there some place where exists a list of elements  attributes which 
discusses what each means?


Thanks,
Theresa

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Re: Help tips for structured Framemaker?

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On 8/15/2014 1:09 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

There should be information in either the Structured Application Developers
Guide or the Structured Application Developers Reference. HOWEVER, because
you are first starting out, I would shy away from applying formatting via
the EDD. Instead, just specify the paragraph format you want for each of
your elements. Since you probably already have an unstructured template,
this makes it easier to have the new structured template use the formats you
are familiar with.



Thanks, Rick. I'm following the lesson plan in the Structure Guide, 
but I can definitely see my way clear to skipping all the formatting stuff!


Many thanks,
Theresa

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Re: Help tips for structured Framemaker?

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On 8/15/2014 1:21 PM, Scott Turner wrote:

That depends on what DTD or schematic you are using. Since we use
DOCBook, I found that I got the best explanation of element usage
from the ORielly Media publication, DocBook-The definitive Guide.

There are other sources if information out there that are online.



What am I looking for? Not structured Framemaker surely?
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Sample EDD files

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Is there a place where I could look at some sample EDD files? I've been 
able to locate some sample DTD files from w3schools.com but a similar 
search for EDDs only finds employment in California!


Thanks,
Theresa
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Where is the EDD created?

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I'm taking everyone's advice (thank you) and starting with a new EDD.

Where do I save the EDD? In the directory where the structured book will 
reside or somewhere else?


Thanks,
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Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

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On 8/12/2014 3:11 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:

Don't open any of them from the file system. You have two choices ..
from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Application Definitions to
edit your local structapps file (this is most likely what you should
be using) .. OR .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Global
Application Definitions. The app definitions in the local file are
typically those that you create for your own use. The global app
definitions are those for apps provided by Adobe.

I recommend that people never modify the default apps .. either create
your own from scratch (for advanced users only), or clone the default
apps and give them a new name and modify those (the most likely
scenario). You will mess up the apps (everyone does), and it's important
to have the default unmodified apps to go back to for testing. In
general you should be able to have all the apps installed and
available for use at the same time.




The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it
(SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook
file to start with?

snip


I'd start by using DocBook (or DITA) out of the box, totally unmodified.


Which one, SGML or XML?


Get comfortable with that and then try making any needed modifications
(after cloning the apps). You don't have to use the entire model, just
use the bits that you need and ignore the rest. If you're just learning
how this all works, starting off by trying to modify things is just
going to cause huge amounts of grief.


Do I understand correctly that to clone the app, I Edit Global
Application Definitions then copy/paste the section of structapps.fm 
with the Application name DocBook from the demarking line to the 
demarking line (line across the page) and give it a new name like TDocBook


or is there more to it than this?
Do I also find the ..\docbook\app\ directories and copy contents to new 
directories?


As for Entity locations Public ID and Filename (local), do I rename 
these (in the cloned area) to reflect the new name and directories?


What else do I need to do?

Thanks very much,
Theresa
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Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

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On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:


XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the
implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you
trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA
support in the techcomm space, and 3) I like DITA better than DocBook  :)



OK, conceptually, I understand the value of dividing each part of the 
document into a single-purpose element and that DITA might be better 
than the mishmash of DocBook. However, when I look at the DITA 
applications in structapps.fm, I cannot tell which application is used 
for plain ordinary text (i.e. what consitutes para). How does one use 
DITA for:

--Book
Chapter
--Section
Body

Is this what the DITA map is?
[And here I thought we were going to have geographical maps in the book 
8-) ]


Thanks,
Theresa
P.S. I have ordered XML AND FRAMEMAKER by Kay Ethier but it won't be 
here for several days

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Getting a handle on structured Frame

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I started my Frame 12 experience with a new convert to ebook/pdf 
project. I created an unstructured book because I 
quasi-know-what-I’m-doing in the unstructured world. However, I think to 
publish this book as an ebook, it has to be structured. I have had a 
long running affair with trying to understand structured Frame and I 
have to say that the various pieces of documentation on adobe.com are 
next to useless and, unfortunately, much of the documentation by others 
(and Adobe) starts with Frame 6 or segues into Robohelp. While I 
understand theoretically what’s going on with structured Frame, getting 
from here to there is no picnic.


Anyway, I’m starting again with the new structured templates which 
came with Frame 12. I can see that I’ll have to create or modify an EDD.


Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either 
dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files 
which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open?


The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it 
(SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook 
file to start with?


Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. I 
believe I’m going to require one fm book with two nested books within. 
How do I add that structure to the DocBook file?


I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. 
How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and 
move them into the structured book?



Thanks for your help. I’m sure there will be more questions.

Cheers,
Theresa
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Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

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On 8/12/2014 12:31 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:

Sorry you fell down the rabbit-hole, but I'm pretty sure that you
don't need to be running structured FM to create an ePUB.


Using the unstructured book file, the epub comes out with the chapters 
in the wrong order.



See http://www.mattrsullivan.com/ebooks-with-fm-rh/


This is about Robohelp. I'm not using Robohelp, I'm publishing to epub 
with Frame 12. I think it's a different beast, No?


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Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

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On 8/12/2014 12:57 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

Let me know if you'd like a copy of my beginner's guide. At the very
least it will give you an idea of the complexity of structure and
whether it's worthwhile for you.



Steve, you can't imagine how many times I have read through those articles!

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

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On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote:

Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either
dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files
which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open?


Please answer?


The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it
(SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook
file to start with?


I comprehend that several of you think I should start with something 
less complex than DocBook. There is an XML application called 
SelfPublish which has only 2 Doctypes: GeneralBook and Chapter. It has a 
location for DTD and template, but no read/write rules or entities 
(public ID).


The problem with using the SelfPublish app is that I find it easier to 
remove what I don’t need than to create something which I don’t yet 
understand.


If I modify one of these DocBook apps, can I disassociate _my_ DocBook 
from the public entities? If so, which should I choose?



Thank you, everyone, I already know more than I did this morning.
8-)
Theresa
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Is there a way to compare two books?

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Hi Framers,

Is there a way to compare the content of two books? I'd accept being 
able to compare the contents of two documents.


It would be OK to compare two pdfs.

Thanks,
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More about characters

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In a text box, I know how to insert an ascii character, e.g. ALT+0169. 
How do I insert a unicode character?


Using Find/Replace, how do I search and replace with unicode characters?


Thanks,
Theresa

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Re: Quoted speech

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On 8/1/2014 12:45 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Braces aka left and right curly brackets are in the ASCII character
set so no problem in HTML.

I assumed the bracets were some weird Australian typographical
convention that Theresa was Americanizing. If they're being used in
mathematical formulas or computer code syntax, they should not be
changed.



They're not, they are single quotes at the beginning and end of speech 
vs American double quotes at the beginning and end of speech. For a long 
time, one had to remove smart quotes from anything being published to 
the web or html or epub. Based on all these remarks, I have no idea if 
this is still true . . .


Thanks,
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Re: Quoted speech

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On 7/30/2014 4:49 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

Side-bar curiosity question: why do you choose not to use the curved
apostrophe's? I find those to be more consistent with the way I want
my documents to look ... fwiw.



Actually, Z, I want to replace the curly apostrophes with straight 
apostrophes, and curly smart brackets with straight brackets, because 
I believe that these magic characters will blow up in epub, html, or 
web pages.


Are you suggesting that they won't? I'm new to producting epub but not 
web pages which don't seem to like accented characters.


Thanks,
Theresa


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Quoted speech

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I'm used to replacing smart quotes with straight quotes in documents I 
receive but I've just received a document from an Australian writer, so 
dialogue is indicated with single curved apostrophes:

U+02BB Modifier letter turned comma
U+02BC Modifier letter apostrophe

How do I replace these with U+0027 in Frame?

(I'm used to the ALT key sequences)

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Re: Quoted speech

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On 7/30/2014 11:58 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

If it were me, I'd copy one of the Australian ones into the Find box,
then copy the one you want it to be into the Replace box, then click
Change All, making sure Book is selected.


For me that doesn't quite work. There's something in Frame which decides 
a curved apostrophe is the same as an uncurved apostrophe.




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Re: Quoted speech

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Let me know if it works so I can put it into my bag of tricks, too.


So far it's not working (search can't find anything with \xCABC [I'm 
searching for Text]).


The tough part is that this book has two books in it and I did the first 
one two months ago and changed all the curled parentheses to straight 
and curled apostrophes to straight, but I can't quite remember what I 
did. I know there were some hijinks with Format DocumentText Options 
and turning Smart Quotes on and off, but nothing seems to be changing 
the characters in this second book.


Maybe if I sleep on it.

Thanks,
Theresa

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Problems with documents imported from Word

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Hi Framers,

What do I do to clean up files which originate in Word or PDF. I'm 
turning crime fiction novels into ebooks and have run into a few problems.


Case 1:
I import simple Word files into Frame then publish as epub or mobi. In 
the finished version there are strange display behaviours in the middle 
of the book (font size and weight and italic drastically change, then 
return to normal).


Is there a way I can clean files before I begin preparing them for 
publishing?



Case 2:
You may suggest that I ask this question on a Word forum, but everyone 
here knows everything, so here goes:


Client has no original document so I've taken his PDF and used Adobe 
Acrobat to convert to text, massaged it in Frame to fix various things, 
then copied and pasted in Word. Going through the editing process, I 
cannot join two paragraphs together (by deleting the carriage return) 
and the Track Changes feature shows all kinds of formatting changes, 
which are totally unnecessary. In this case, I also want to strip the 
document of any formatting.



I never work in Word to do any work, except when I am copyediting a 
nearly complete document (using Track Changes).


Advice please?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: Problems with documents imported from Word

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Never working in Word is about as good advice as there is ;-)




Thanks for the laugh, Steve!

Regards,
Theresa
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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

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I think it's a software problem. Either the software doesn't allow free 
posting to the list, or the software is too complicated for the 
moderator to change people into unmoderated status.


Just my two cents.

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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

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I USED to be unmoderated on this list but for some reason I got 
unlisted. About 10 years ago I wrote a pleading letter asking to be 
reinstated but I heard nothing . . .


and my posts show up days (and days) later.

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Question about formats for files in book

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Hi Framers,

Perhaps this is a philosophical question but it has been my habit to 
make a book with ONE master page set and ONE paragraph catalogue and ONE 
character catalogue. Over the course of building the document, I import 
changes into other files in the same book.


Somehow, I had the idea that this was the way it was done.

With the Frame 12 templates created by Bernard Aschwanden, it seems that 
each template second has only those paragraph and character catalogues 
as are required for that section (e.g. Cover, Legal and Contacts). Of 
course, I might not be quite understanding what's going on yet...


What are your ideas?

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Re: Using pdfs in Frame12...cue some spooky music

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This problem was solved by Arnis Gubins.

Turns out that the cropped Acrobat file needed to be saved as .eps
And then, that I had to change the default settings in Acrobat so that 
the eps would be visible in the Frame document.


Thanks again to Arnis for his help.

-Theresa
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Using pdfs in Frame12...cue some spooky music

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1a. The original pdf is an outline drawing from google maps done in 
Generic CAD. As part of that process, the original pdf also had a title, 
a ruler to measure the map in increments, and some notes at the bottom.


1b. This drawing was cropped using Adobe Acrobat XI tools which removed 
the title, ruler and notes.


2a. The second file is a Frame 12 document which imported the cropped 
pdf from Item 1 onto the master page.


2b. On the body page of the Frame document are some hundreds of numbers 
(dots on the map).


2c. This looks just great in Frame and prints properly.

3. Save as pdf in Frame brings the uncropped image from Item 1a as part 
of the pdf from 2c.


4. The pdf generated in item 3 will be inserted as an anchored frame in 
a new document.


 How to fix # 3, i.e. to get the cropped file to stay cropped? 
Following that, I'll have to figure out how to accomplish #4—which may 
not be a problem if I can fix # 3.


Thanks in advance,
Theresa

(This is reprinted from Adobe Frame  Acrobat forums...because there are 
a lot of wise people here)

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Re: Keep index visible for Framemaker Help v12 online?

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On 5/23/2014 9:13 AM, Stuart Rogers wrote:

On 2014-May-22 11:55 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote:

Is there any way to keep the index visible when wandering through the
Adobe website? I see those little left/right arrows but the following
subjects don't make any sense to me; I'd rather click through a
table-like index. It takes a lot of time to click to the top of the
breadcrumbs to start the index again.



I don't have FM 12 or use its Help, but I would suggest opening a
browser tab with the index and then using whatever command your browser
provides to open subsequent links in new tabs or new windows. When
you've read a topic and want to return to the index, just close the
topic tab/window.


Thanks Stuart. Turns out I could download the pdf and it behaved better.

Cheers,
Theresa

P.S. Sure wish I wasn't responding to something I wrote nearly 24 hours 
ago...


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Keep index visible for Framemaker Help v12 online?

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Is there any way to keep the index visible when wandering through the 
Adobe website? I see those little left/right arrows but the following 
subjects don't make any sense to me; I'd rather click through a 
table-like index. It takes a lot of time to click to the top of the 
breadcrumbs to start the index again.


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Re: Is there a fast way to wrap unstructured text into [Para] tags?

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On 5/22/2014 12:10 PM, Chris Despopoulos wrote:

I'd say what you're doing wrongly is saving as XML first.  Save your
unstructured doc as HTML, then copy/smart-paste into the body tag of a
new DITA topic.


I saved the file as .htm and the name of the file in Frame was still 
.fm, but I can see that the .htm exists. What do I open the .htm with? 
If I choose Frame, a dialogue box pops up wanting to know what kind of 
document it is, e.g. RTF Japanese, SGML, Text, XML


Thanks.


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Re: Is there a fast way to wrap unstructured text into [Para] tags?

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On 5/21/2014 6:56 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=2cad=rjauact=
8ved=0CFoQFjABurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2
FStructuredDev%2FStructure_Dev_Reference.pdfei=Y5N8U7-aMpOvsASp8YHwBgusg=A
FQjCNHaESsSmE6osFRp5Qd78-nRIM_rvQsig2=5c7A0uUg0yPsQFqdLQzwPg


This link is not resolving, Rick. Could you tell me the name of the 
publication and maybe I can look it up?


Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: Is there a fast way to wrap unstructured text into [Para] tags?

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On 5/21/2014 1:26 PM, Chris Despopoulos wrote:


Save the chapter as HTML, copy it, then use Smart Paste to paste it into
a DITA topic.  Every P should translate into the correct DITA paragraph
element (also a p)


If I save the chapter as XML, Frame pops up a window asking for which 
Structured Application to use. If I pick none, an error pops up with 
Unable to validate because no DTD or Schema was specified in the XML 
file but continue? I say yes.


When I open the file, I get this Structure View: (I did this once with 
the paratag as Body and once as Para)


-Root
|--Title
|--Body (Para)
   | A-
   | ID = pgfId-998413
|--Body (Para)
   | A-
   | ID = pgfId-998414
|--Body (Para)
   | A-
   | ID = pgfId-998415

I'm presuming this is correct?


Cntrl-A to copy the entire file

Open  New  Dita file  New topic

The first time (paratag Body), I found the Element marked p and 
clicked Paste Special. I chose Rich Text Format, but all of the text 
appears in the structured view under one single p element.


The second time (paratag Para) I clicked Smart Paste and got this error 
message Smart paste could not convert clipboard data to structured 
content.



What am I doing wrongly?

Thanks.



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Frame 12 install question

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I've been installing Adobe products under
C:\apps\Adobe
for ~30 years.

Can it be that I can only install under
C:\Program Files (x86)

That's what the support tech was trying to tell me!

Thanks,
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Re: Keeping both versions

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On 5/13/2014 11:14 AM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:

Just watch out if you have the full version of Acrobat installed - your FM12 standalone 
might clobber it with the headless version



Thanks, Jeff. And what should I do to protect Acrobat?

Theresa

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Special pricing for upgrade to Frame 12

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Adobe has a special pricing for upgrade to Frame 12 for 40% off for 
users of Frame 9. Sadly, I'm on Frame 8.


Does anyone know of a contact in Adobe wherein I could plead for an 
extension of the sale offer to my licence?


Reply off-list if you like.

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Re: Anything I should know before upgrading to TCS5?

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Frame 12 list price is $999.
Adobe is having a special discount so that it now costs US $636.86 and 
there is a discount for TC5 but only for cloud subscription.


I opted for the full Frame 12

-Theresa
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Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise

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On 10/15/2013 5:22 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:

If there is a quick, easily reversible way to rotate all the pages so
I can edit them, then rotate them all back, I'd be okay with that
too. They are contiguous. But I tried selecting all the pages and it
only lets me highlight one at a time. Maybe messing with the master
page is the best option?


I remember having trouble trying to figure out how to edit a landscape 
page in a portrait document. The first time I built it, I started with a 
portrait master page and could not edit the page. The second time I 
built it with a landscape page but rotated the header/footer.


HTH
Theresa
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Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise

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On 10/15/2013 5:22 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:
> If there is a quick, easily reversible way to rotate all the pages so
> I can edit them, then rotate them all back, I'd be okay with that
> too. They are contiguous. But I tried selecting all the pages and it
> only lets me highlight one at a time. Maybe messing with the master
> page is the best option?

I remember having trouble trying to figure out how to edit a landscape 
page in a portrait document. The first time I built it, I started with a 
portrait master page and could not edit the page. The second time I 
built it with a landscape page but rotated the header/footer.

HTH
Theresa

Re: The Adobe credit card issue may indeed be a major issue - PLEASE READ - URGENT

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On 10/6/2013 11:04 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:


Three charges were attempted today on the card that I had in place
with Adobe - fortunately, all were rejected and the card now has to
be replaced.

Which means I have to run around and change it everywhere that I had
it set up for automated payments. And the two International trips I
have coming up are going to need special handling for me to avoid
having problems at airports.


I got no email from Adobe.

Late last week my husband and I got a fraud alert email from our bank 
card about a charge coming from France. The worst part was that my 
husband was leaving for a conference today and his hotel and airline 
ticket were charged on this card. UPS overnight showed up at 5:30 p.m. 
Friday . . . and we were very nervous!


One thing that did help, the bank card agreed to accept the old card, if 
the card was presented in person, so this may help you too.


Theresa
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On 10/6/2013 11:04 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:

> Three charges were attempted today on the card that I had in place
> with Adobe - fortunately, all were rejected and the card now has to
> be replaced.
>
> Which means I have to run around and change it everywhere that I had
> it set up for automated payments. And the two International trips I
> have coming up are going to need special handling for me to avoid
> having problems at airports.

I got no email from Adobe.

Late last week my husband and I got a fraud alert email from our bank 
card about a charge coming from France. The worst part was that my 
husband was leaving for a conference today and his hotel and airline 
ticket were charged on this card. UPS overnight showed up at 5:30 p.m. 
Friday . . . and we were very nervous!

One thing that did help, the bank card agreed to accept the old card, if 
the card was presented "in person," so this may help you too.

Theresa

Word and Frame comparisons

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Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I 
have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word.


In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.

Can this be done in Word?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Word and Frame comparisons

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I 
have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word.

In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.

Can this be done in Word?

Thanks,
Theresa

Re: Importing an xml document into structured Frame (version 8)

[Theresa de Valence]

Sam, the thing is that a bizarre Frame document is opened on the
receiving end--that can't be coming from Windows, can it?

Thanks,
Theresa

On 6/24/2013 9:50 AM, Lizak, Samantha wrote:

Just a suspicion -- the only XML I have worked with was for Eclipse
docs -- but the XML tools I was most familiar with were coded in
Unix/C/Java flavors.  Access is, of course, Windows.

One of the things that used to drive us nutty when we would look at
our Unix files from our corporate-mandated work PCs was that the PC
tools kept adding control-Ms to the end of lines, which would then
break our Unix-based parsing engine.

Perhaps something like this is happening?  FrameMaker has its roots
in Unix, also.  You might want to check how the XML tools expect
end-of-line to be indicated, and what their maximum element or line
length is.

I'd like to think that all these years later they've made tools where
the OS and CR vs CRLF doesn't matter, but, well, freeware
tools

Good luck-

Sam.

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Importing an xml document into structured Frame (version 8)

[Theresa de Valence]

Sam, the thing is that a bizarre Frame document is opened on the
receiving end--that can't be coming from Windows, can it?

Thanks,
Theresa

On 6/24/2013 9:50 AM, Lizak, Samantha wrote:
> Just a suspicion -- the only XML I have worked with was for Eclipse
> docs -- but the XML tools I was most familiar with were coded in
> Unix/C/Java flavors.  Access is, of course, Windows.
>
> One of the things that used to drive us nutty when we would look at
> our Unix files from our corporate-mandated work PCs was that the PC
> tools kept adding control-Ms to the end of lines, which would then
> break our Unix-based parsing engine.
>
> Perhaps something like this is happening?  FrameMaker has its roots
> in Unix, also.  You might want to check how the XML tools expect
> end-of-line to be indicated, and what their maximum element or line
> length is.
>
> I'd like to think that all these years later they've made tools where
> the OS and  vs  doesn't matter, but, well, freeware
> tools
>
> Good luck-
>
> Sam.

Question about these frameusers lists

[Theresa de Valence]

My questions/replies get posted to frameusers after a day or so. I have 
been subscriber to these lists for more than 15(?) years but I had to 
delete/refresh my subscription about a year or two ago.


Does this happen to everyone? Is there anything I can do to get my 
messages to post sooner?


Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: Adjust paste to be paste/special

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On 6/21/2013 3:19 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

Copy the entry from the maker.ini in the FrameMaker installation directory:
c:\Program Files\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\maker.ini


I'm in Frame 8 and the entry below isn't there:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, MIFW, MIF, RTF, OLE 2, META, EMF,  DIB, 
BMP, UNICODE TEXT, TEXT

Change it so that UNICODE TEXT is at the beginning
of the list.


So, where do I put it? These are the headings I have:
[Preferences]
[DialogLayout]
[Directories]
[Spelling]
[RecentlyVisitedFiles]
[StructureView]

Preferences?
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Importing an xml document into structured Frame (version 8)

[Theresa de Valence]

To recap: I have an file exported from Microsoft Access called 
Storytext.xml. I want to import this into a structured Frame document 
(template) which will automatically reformat the contents according to 
extant elements/paratags/chartags.


You can probably tell that I don't exactly understand what the 
structured document will be doing, if ever I get it working OK.  I have 
now been through Steve Rickaby's excellent intro to structured Frame. 
And I have been (successfully) through some parts of the Adobe 
Structured Application Developers Guide for Frame v.8, but they would be 
very small parts!


I've successfully built an EDD called WhosMEDD.fm for which I have used 
the structure tools to convert to DTD.


I have imported the EDD into my template document.

I will not be round-tripping, simply reading an .xml file and 
processing it so it ends up in my Frame template.


Here's where I am:
--
Regarding the structured application, which I found here:
Frame location/Structure/Structapps.fm
I have placed this at the top of the file:
--
Application name:   WhosM

Template: 
c:\data\MysteryCommunity\CrimeFiction\WhosMurderingCrimeFiction\Story_.fm


DTD: 
c:\data\MysteryCommunity\CrimeFiction\WhosMurderingCrimeFiction\WhosM.dtd


Read/write rules: 
c:\data\MysteryCommunity\CrimeFiction\WhosMurderingCrimeFiction\WhosMrules


DOCTYPE:Document
--
The read/write rules look like this:

fm version is 8.0;

/*
 * Include all ISO entity mapping rules.
 */

writer do not output book processing instructions;
--
The Storytext.xml file can be opened in Frame, the log says:

XML Read Report Log
June 21 2:50 pm
Source Document C:\Data\Access\Reports\StoryText.xml

XML Parser Messages (Document Prolog)
 C:\Data\Access\Reports\StoryText.xml; line 1
Ignoring book component processing instruction. No book has been generated.
--

However, the master pages which get applied to Storytext.xml look like 
nothing I've ever seen before (a giant 1 in the right hand corner).


The entire contents have a Body paratag which uses a Minion Pro 11 pt font.

The body lines are broken with CR before and after character tags 
(Emphasis, etc).


The Structure View is all red with dashed lines.


Any ideas what is happening?
Should the file I'm processing be in the same directory as the application?
Are my application file names too long?
Where might the template it's using be coming from?

Thanks for your help,
Theresa


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Adjust paste to be paste/special

[Theresa de Valence]

On 6/21/2013 3:19 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:
> Copy the entry from the maker.ini in the FrameMaker installation directory:
> c:\Program Files\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\maker.ini

I'm in Frame 8 and the entry below isn't there:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, MIFW, MIF, RTF, OLE 2, META, EMF,  DIB, 
BMP, UNICODE TEXT, TEXT
> Change it so that UNICODE TEXT is at the beginning
> of the list.

So, where do I put it? These are the headings I have:
[Preferences]
[DialogLayout]
[Directories]
[Spelling]
[RecentlyVisitedFiles]
[StructureView]

Preferences?

Importing an xml document into structured Frame (version 8)

[Theresa de Valence]

To recap: I have an file exported from Microsoft Access called 
Storytext.xml. I want to "import" this into a structured Frame document 
(template) which will "automatically" reformat the contents according to 
extant elements/paratags/chartags.

You can probably tell that I don't exactly understand what the 
structured document will be doing, if ever I get it working OK.  I have 
now been through Steve Rickaby's excellent intro to structured Frame. 
And I have been (successfully) through some parts of the Adobe 
Structured Application Developers Guide for Frame v.8, but they would be 
very small parts!

I've successfully built an EDD called WhosMEDD.fm for which I have used 
the structure tools to convert to DTD.

I have imported the EDD into my "template" document.

I will not be round-tripping, simply reading an .xml file and 
"processing it" so it ends up in my Frame template.

Here's where I am:
--
Regarding the structured application, which I found here:
/Structure/Structapps.fm
I have placed this at the top of the file:
--
Application name:   WhosM

Template: 
c:\data\MysteryCommunity\CrimeFiction\WhosMurderingCrimeFiction\Story_.fm

DTD: 
c:\data\MysteryCommunity\CrimeFiction\WhosMurderingCrimeFiction\WhosM.dtd

Read/write rules: 
c:\data\MysteryCommunity\CrimeFiction\WhosMurderingCrimeFiction\WhosMrules

DOCTYPE:Document
--
The read/write rules look like this:

fm version is "8.0";

/*
  * Include all ISO entity mapping rules.
  */

writer do not output book processing instructions;
--
The Storytext.xml file can be opened in Frame, the log says:

XML Read Report Log
June 21 2:50 pm
Source Document C:\Data\Access\Reports\StoryText.xml

XML Parser Messages (Document Prolog)
  C:\Data\Access\Reports\StoryText.xml; line 1
Ignoring book component processing instruction. No book has been generated.
--

However, the master pages which get applied to Storytext.xml look like 
nothing I've ever seen before (a giant 1 in the right hand corner).

The entire contents have a Body paratag which uses a Minion Pro 11 pt font.

The body lines are broken with CR before and after character tags 
(Emphasis, etc).

The Structure View is all red with dashed lines.


Any ideas what is happening?
Should the file I'm processing be in the same directory as the application?
Are my application file names too long?
Where might the "template" it's using be coming from?

Thanks for your help,
Theresa

Question about these frameusers lists

[Theresa de Valence]

My questions/replies get posted to frameusers after a day or so. I have 
been subscriber to these lists for more than 15(?) years but I had to 
delete/refresh my subscription about a year or two ago.

Does this happen to everyone? Is there anything I can do to get my 
messages to post sooner?

Thanks,
Theresa

Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame

[Theresa de Valence]

On 6/15/2013 11:19 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

you can download
a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from
unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker.


Thanks, Steve, these articles have really been useful which I have been 
reading alongside the Adobe Structured Application Dev Guide for v.8 Frame.


I've reached the conversion tables (Structure Tools, Generate Conversion 
tables) and I have modified the generated table, but I cannot figure out 
how to let it run to completion.


What do I do to get Frame to attempt to process the table against my 
unstructured file?


Thanks,
Theresa
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Query about what happens in structured Frame

[Theresa de Valence]

On 6/15/2013 11:19 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> you can download
> a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from
> unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker.

Thanks, Steve, these articles have really been useful which I have been 
reading alongside the Adobe Structured Application Dev Guide for v.8 Frame.

I've reached the conversion tables (Structure Tools, Generate Conversion 
tables) and I have modified the generated table, but I cannot figure out 
how to "let it run to completion."

What do I do to get Frame to attempt to process the table against my 
unstructured file?

Thanks,
Theresa

Query about what happens in structured Frame

[Theresa de Valence]

Hello Framers,

I’m in need of some basic advice. I’ve been using Frame for 20 years 
but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat 
Professional is 10.1.7


From an eList about crime fiction, several authors are writing a 
collaborative mystery story. I’m organizing the story in Access. The 
story itself is in an rtf memo field called BookComponent.Storytext. My 
friend is writing VBA code to export Storytext to html (Storytext.html) 
but he has no familiarity with Frame. So far, he has exported to html 
which MS Word can read, then I can copy and paste into Frame—this is a 
bit too ugly for repetitive iterations. Both Rick Quatro and Shlomo 
Perets have offered help (services), but I don’t even understand what to 
ask for.


If I understand correctly, what I should be able to do is to open 
structured Frame and introduce it to Storytext.html and somehow get all 
the h1 tags to convert to Heading1 paratags. Right? How could one 
phrase this better (so as to explain the process which happens)?


I have been pointed here:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\xhtml\app\template
but as there is nothing in the template, I don’t understand what to do 
with it.


FrameMaker 8’s User Guide is not helpful.

Could a kindly Framer point me to a sample which I could study?

Thanks in advance,
Theresa

P.S. If you want to read the cool mystery story it’s in a pdf on this page:
http://www.reviewsbytdev.com/content/Whos-Murdering-Crime-Fiction
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Creating a clickable link for email in a frame (to pdf) document

[Theresa de Valence]

How to I get a Variable, Marker or Variable, Hypertext of someone's 
email address to show up as a clickable link in a pdf?


None of the command options under Variable, Hypertext look reasonable.

I think I want
mailto:t...@bstw.com

but what goes in front of it?

Thanks.
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Query about what happens in structured Frame

[Theresa de Valence]

Hello Framers,

I?m in need of some basic advice. I?ve been using Frame for >20 years 
but have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat 
Professional is 10.1.7

 From an eList about crime fiction, several authors are writing a 
collaborative mystery story. I?m organizing the story in Access. The 
story itself is in an rtf memo field called BookComponent.Storytext. My 
friend is writing VBA code to export Storytext to html (Storytext.html) 
but he has no familiarity with Frame. So far, he has exported to html 
which MS Word can read, then I can copy and paste into Frame?this is a 
bit too ugly for repetitive iterations. Both Rick Quatro and Shlomo 
Perets have offered help (services), but I don?t even understand what to 
ask for.

If I understand correctly, what I should be able to do is to open 
structured Frame and introduce it to Storytext.html and somehow get all 
the  tags to convert to  paratags. Right? How could one 
phrase this better (so as to explain the process which happens)?

I have been pointed here:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\xhtml\app\template
but as there is nothing in the template, I don?t understand what to do 
with it.

FrameMaker 8?s User Guide is not helpful.

Could a kindly Framer point me to a sample which I could study?

Thanks in advance,
Theresa

P.S. If you want to read the cool mystery story it?s in a pdf on this page:
http://www.reviewsbytdev.com/content/Whos-Murdering-Crime-Fiction

Creating a clickable link for email in a frame (to pdf) document

[Theresa de Valence]

How to I get a "Variable, Marker" or "Variable, Hypertext" of someone's 
email address to show up as a clickable link in a pdf?

None of the command options under "Variable, Hypertext" look reasonable.

I think I want
mailto:TdeV at bstw.com

but what goes in front of it?

Thanks.

Re: Master pages' Room for Side Heads not being honoured

[Theresa de Valence]

Mark,

I'm not sure I follow exactly what's going on, but I have learned this 
about Master Pages.
-ALL of the pages should exist in one master file, i.e. have the same 
list of Master Pages.
-You can control which page uses which master file by use of a single 
paragraph tag (IIRC) at the top of the page. (Make it really small)
-On the references page, build a table which tells which paragraph tag 
calls which master page


Hope this helps,
Theresa
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Master pages' Room for Side Heads not being honoured

[Theresa de Valence]

Mark,

I'm not sure I follow exactly what's going on, but I have learned this 
about Master Pages.
-ALL of the pages should exist in one master file, i.e. have the same 
list of Master Pages.
-You can control which page uses which master file by use of a single 
paragraph tag (IIRC) at the top of the page. (Make it really small)
-On the references page, build a table which tells which paragraph tag 
calls which master page

Hope this helps,
Theresa
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Re: Access - Frame - pdf. Help with a (fun) project, maybe?

[Theresa de Valence]

We seem to have succeeded, er, partly.

Is it possible for Frame to import a HTML document? (The import function 
doesn't give that choice). If I drag and drop the document onto Firefox, 
the html opens. Then I can copy and paste into Frame. Seems a bit 
cumbersome.


Thanks.
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Access - Frame - pdf. Help with a (fun) project, maybe?

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi Framers,

I have an Access database which holds records for a crime fiction story, 
collaboratively written by a number of authors. On a repeating basis, I 
need to publish this story in a form which I can then attach to a 
website so that readers (and the collaborating authors) can see how the 
story is doing. Originally I posted each author as webpage using basic 
html, unremarkably named Chapter X, but now I’m moving the story 
around, so I would like to maintain the story in only one place, i.e. in 
the Access database.


I am unable to use any of Access’ tools for exporting to XML or Text or 
Excel and import into either Word or Frame. (They all fail). I am able 
to export directly from an Access report to a pdf but this has the 
disadvantage that I manually have to add Bookmarks, etc., so I am 
thinking of getting the data into Frame and then using MicroType’s 
Frame-to-Acrobat tools.


The story itself is in BookComponent.StoryText. The order of the 
BookComponents is goverened by BookComponent.Sortnum.


Any advice?

Thanks,
Theresa

P.S. In case you happen to like crime fiction, we’ve got some great (and 
famous) authors, so please visit our story:

http://www.reviewsbytdev.com/content/Whos-Murdering-Crime-Fiction
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Access -> Frame -> pdf. Help with a (fun) project, maybe?

[Theresa de Valence]

We seem to have succeeded, er, partly.

Is it possible for Frame to import a HTML document? (The import function 
doesn't give that choice). If I drag and drop the document onto Firefox, 
the html opens. Then I can copy and paste into Frame. Seems a bit 
cumbersome.

Thanks.

Access -> Frame -> pdf. Help with a (fun) project, maybe?

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi Framers,

I have an Access database which holds records for a crime fiction story, 
collaboratively written by a number of authors. On a repeating basis, I 
need to "publish" this story in a form which I can then attach to a 
website so that readers (and the collaborating authors) can see how the 
story is doing. Originally I posted each author as webpage using basic 
html, unremarkably named "Chapter X", but now I?m moving the story 
around, so I would like to maintain the story in only one place, i.e. in 
the Access database.

I am unable to use any of Access? tools for exporting to XML or Text or 
Excel and import into either Word or Frame. (They all fail). I am able 
to export directly from an Access report to a pdf but this has the 
disadvantage that I manually have to add Bookmarks, etc., so I am 
thinking of getting the data into Frame and then using MicroType?s 
Frame-to-Acrobat tools.

The story itself is in BookComponent.StoryText. The order of the 
BookComponents is goverened by BookComponent.Sortnum.

Any advice?

Thanks,
Theresa

P.S. In case you happen to like crime fiction, we?ve got some great (and 
famous) authors, so please visit our story:
http://www.reviewsbytdev.com/content/Whos-Murdering-Crime-Fiction

Re: FM8 and Win8 and Acrobat (Was: Corporate madness)

[Theresa de Valence]

On 5/13/2013 12:51 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:49 -0700, Lea Rush l...@astoria-pacific.com wrote:


I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that
decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd
like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to
fruition. :)


Me too.  FM8 works fine on Windows 7 64-bit Ultimate, and
I'm perfectly happy with it.  Can't stand the UI for FM9
and up, so never use those.


Me too. FM8 works fine on Windows 7 64-bit. The only thing which I 
minded was that my Acrobat Professional 8 stopped working and I had to 
upgrade to Acrobat X which stupidly will not allow more than one open 
window (without a file open) and does not allow the user to position 
where Acrobat resides. I have two monitors, first horizontal and second 
vertical, and Acrobat ALWAYS opens in the dead space between the two 
monitors. I can't believe that a graphics-oriented company would be that 
demented about displays.


Theresa

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FM8 and Win8 and Acrobat (Was: Corporate madness)

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On 5/13/2013 12:51 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:49 -0700, Lea Rush  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that
>> decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd
>> like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to
>> fruition. :)
>
> Me too.  FM8 works fine on Windows 7 64-bit Ultimate, and
> I'm perfectly happy with it.  Can't stand the UI for FM9
> and up, so never use those.

Me too. FM8 works fine on Windows 7 64-bit. The only thing which I 
minded was that my Acrobat Professional 8 stopped working and I had to 
upgrade to Acrobat X which stupidly will not allow more than one open 
window (without a file open) and does not allow the user to position 
where Acrobat resides. I have two monitors, first horizontal and second 
vertical, and Acrobat ALWAYS opens in the dead space between the two 
monitors. I can't believe that a graphics-oriented company would be that 
demented about displays.

Theresa

Interacting with a database

[Theresa de Valence]

Hello Framers,

I want to build a Frame template and populate it with items (about 500) 
from a spreadsheet to create a book. Each item has a photo, name, 
description, email address. Can this be automated?


What is this process called in Frame?

As an aside, my Frame manual is somewhere in a box, I haven’t found it 
yet. Is it worthwhile spending half the day looking for it, or are there 
more appropriate sources elsewhere? I have (vaguely) looked for this 
kind of feature in the manual before, but haven’t found anything that 
looks appropriate.


Thanks in advance,
Theresa
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Interacting with a database

[Theresa de Valence]

Hello Framers,

I want to build a Frame template and populate it with items (about 500) 
from a spreadsheet to create a book. Each item has a photo, name, 
description, email address. Can this be automated?

What is this process called in Frame?

As an aside, my Frame manual is somewhere in a box, I haven?t found it 
yet. Is it worthwhile spending half the day looking for it, or are there 
more appropriate sources elsewhere? I have (vaguely) looked for this 
kind of feature in the manual before, but haven?t found anything that 
looks appropriate.

Thanks in advance,
Theresa

Re: OT: Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe step up to the plate?

[Theresa de Valence]

Tammy,

When I had a not-OK-upgrade-without-original-disks, I just kept having a 
tantrum on the phone.


Eventually they decided to make my life easier and gave me a link.

Good luck,
Theresa
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OT: Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe step up to the plate?

[Theresa de Valence]

Tammy,

When I had a not-OK-upgrade-without-original-disks, I just kept having a 
tantrum on the phone.

Eventually they decided to make my life easier and gave me a link.

Good luck,
Theresa

Slightly OT: Where to find a good reference on building indexes?

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi Framers,

I'm just beginning a new project which will require building indexes 
(indeces) and I want to improve my understanding of how good indexes are 
built. What should I be looking to accomplish? Where can I find some 
examples of really well-done indexes?


I've ordered IXGen from Frank Stearns (fsatools.com).

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Cheers,
Theresa de Valence
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Slightly OT: Where to find a good reference on building indexes?

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi Framers,

I'm just beginning a new project which will require building indexes 
(indeces) and I want to improve my understanding of how good indexes are 
built. What should I be looking to accomplish? Where can I find some 
examples of really well-done indexes?

I've ordered IXGen from Frank Stearns (fsatools.com).

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Cheers,
Theresa de Valence

Re: cannot generate PDF

[Theresa de Valence]

On 2/13/2013 8:02 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

In particular, if you get the same results printing
to the Adobe Acrobat logical printer as when you use SaveAs PDF
(which I wouldn't recommend).


Art,

Are you saying that SaveAs PDF is not good?

Theresa
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