Re: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Patricia,

Using Running H/F with the $paratext or $marker1/2 is no option. For a good 
reason these system variables reference only the text, no formatting at all. 

The details are here:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS2937A033-EFF3-4d85-BBB3-98214B54950D.html

If the scientific name in your application is always the last (or first) part 
of a heading, you can proceed like this:

[Heading:] Field Screening Aid for Bug one

Add a marker Header/Footer $1 with the first part of the heading: Field 
Screening Aid for

Add a marker Header/Footer $2 with the second part of the heading: Bug one
(fill in a space character if some headings do not have a scientific name)

Now change the variable you use on the master page (e.g. Running H/F 1) to

$marker1 Emphasis$marker2/

(with Emphasis being the name of a character format that applies the desired 
formatting)

[Bonus knowledge: / can be used instead of Default ¶ Font to switch off 
the effect of the character format.]

Why is it so awkward? Because this requirement is very seldom and has some 
side-effects. Just think about the headings of a document turned into a 
collapsible tree in some form of online help. Those usually do not allow any 
formatting at all. Even FrameMaker’s TOC picks up very little formatting from 
the headings. 

Could this be automated? Yes, using the FDK or FrameScript or ExtendScript 
(since FM10) it is possible to automatically insert/fill the Header/Footer 
variables accordingly.

HTH,

- Michael


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Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Patricia,

Using Running H/F with the <$paratext> or <$marker1/2> is no option. For a good 
reason these system variables reference only the text, no formatting at all. 

The details are here:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS2937A033-EFF3-4d85-BBB3-98214B54950D.html

If the scientific name in your application is always the last (or first) part 
of a heading, you can proceed like this:

[Heading:] Field Screening Aid for Bug one

Add a marker Header/Footer $1 with the first part of the heading: Field 
Screening Aid for

Add a marker Header/Footer $2 with the second part of the heading: Bug one
(fill in a space character if some headings do not have a scientific name)

Now change the variable you use on the master page (e.g. Running H/F 1) to

<$marker1> <$marker2>

(with "Emphasis" being the name of a character format that applies the desired 
formatting)

[Bonus knowledge: "" can be used instead of  to switch off 
the effect of the character format.]

Why is it so awkward? Because this requirement is very seldom and has some 
side-effects. Just think about the headings of a document turned into a 
collapsible tree in some form of online help. Those usually do not allow any 
formatting at all. Even FrameMaker?s TOC picks up very little formatting from 
the headings. 

Could this be automated? Yes, using the FDK or FrameScript or ExtendScript 
(since FM10) it is possible to automatically insert/fill the Header/Footer 
variables accordingly.

HTH,

- Michael


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Re: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[David Spreadbury]

Create, if you don't have one, a Character format for the italics. Insert the 
char format in the H/F variable where you want the italics to appear. Add the 
Default font object at point where you go back to normal font characteristics.

For example:

Field Screening Aid for
EmphasisBug OneDefault ¶ Font

Emphasis calls the character tag that applies italics at that point. Default 
Font returns the string to the original font.

If the Chapter Title and Bug One are separate Unstructured variables, insert 
the variables instead of text, e.g.,
$paratext[Chapter Title] Emphasis$paratext[Bug One]Default Font

If Structured, replace the '$paratext' with '$element text' and the appropriate 
element name.




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From: Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) patricia.s.micha...@aphis.usda.gov
Subject: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 8:36 AM



 
 


 

I haven’t had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out there. 
   
This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for
Bug one 
   
In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be. 
   
I know how to change the entire 
RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a portion of it. 
   
Is there a way to do it? 
   
Thanks again, Pat 
   
   

 


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RE: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[Sharon Burton]

Character formats. Create one that does the italics. Then put it in the
header. The Frame manual used to be good at explaining the specific on this
but I've not see Frame past version 9.

 

 

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Patricia S (APHIS)
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Subject: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

 

I haven't had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out
there.

 

This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for Bug one

 

In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be.

 

I know how to change the entire RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a
portion of it.

 

Is there a way to do it?

 

Thanks again, Pat

 

 

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FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS)]

I haven't had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out there.

This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for Bug one

In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be.

I know how to change the entire RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a portion 
of it.

Is there a way to do it?

Thanks again, Pat


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FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[David Spreadbury]

Create, if you don't have one, a Character format for the italics. Insert the 
char format in the H/F variable where you want the italics to appear. Add the 
Default font object at point where you go back to normal font characteristics.

For example:

Field Screening Aid for
Bug One

 calls the character tag that applies italics at that point.  returns the string to the original font.

If the Chapter Title and Bug One are separate Unstructured variables, insert 
the variables instead of text, e.g.,
<$paratext[Chapter Title]> <$paratext[Bug One]>

If Structured, replace the '$paratext' with '$element text' and the appropriate 
element name.




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From: Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) <patricia.s.micha...@aphis.usda.gov>
Subject: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 8:36 AM









I haven?t had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out there. 
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This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for
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In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be. 
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I know how to change the entire 
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Is there a way to do it? 
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[Sharon Burton]

Character formats. Create one that does the italics. Then put it in the
header. The Frame manual used to be good at explaining the specific on this
but I've not see Frame past version 9.





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I haven't had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out
there.



This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for Bug one



In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be.



I know how to change the entire RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a
portion of it.



Is there a way to do it?



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Scientific names in roman, not italics, in running headers

[Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS)]

I haven't had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out there.

This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for Bug one

In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be.

I know how to change the entire RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a portion 
of it.

Is there a way to do it?

Thanks again, Pat


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RE: Running Headers

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tim,

The Running Header/Footer variables cannot see the contents of previous
files (unless your documents are structured). I would use Running
Header/Footers with markers instead of paragraph formats and use FrameScript
to automatically populate the markers with the correct text. If you are
interested in an automated solution like this, please contact me offlist.
Thank you very much.

Rick

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim J. Slager
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:41 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Running Headers

FM 7.2
---
I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and
Heading 1 on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't
include a Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.

I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced
paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now
have blank headers on some pages of the final document.

How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8
book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.

Thanks. tims

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RE: Running Headers

[Tim J. Slager]

Steve,

I'm new to FM and inherited the set of files. I'm not sure why some of the 
chapters are broken up into smaller pieces, but if I can't figure out a good 
reason for it, I'll probably combine the chunks into full chapters for the sake 
of consistency. That should take care of my problem. In the mean time I can try 
some of the suggestions offered from this list.

Thanks, everyone. tims

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From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:17 AM
To: Tim J. Slager
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running Headers

I'm not aware of having a variable pull a value from a different
physical file. Have you ever done that before? I expect the solution
is to use text insets rather than have one chapter split into multiple
files. One chapter should be one physical file for sanity's sake.

Alternatively, you might have to go with different variables but I
probably wouldn't go that route. (IOW, in Chapter 1, file 2, have a
variable that gets the value of ChapterTitleInvisible that is in the
file but doesn't display because it's in white text or is tagged with
conditional text.) That would be too hard to maintain.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Tim J. Slager
tsla...@isdcorporation.com wrote:
 FM 7.2
 ---
 I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 
 1 on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
 Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.

 I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
 paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
 have blank headers on some pages of the final document.

 How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
 book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.

 Thanks. tims

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Running Headers

[Steve Johnson]

I'm not aware of having a variable pull a value from a different
physical file. Have you ever done that before? I expect the solution
is to use text insets rather than have one chapter split into multiple
files. One chapter should be one physical file for sanity's sake.

Alternatively, you might have to go with different variables but I
probably wouldn't go that route. (IOW, in Chapter 1, file 2, have a
variable that gets the value of ChapterTitleInvisible that is in the
file but doesn't display because it's in white text or is tagged with
conditional text.) That would be too hard to maintain.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Tim J. Slager
 wrote:
> FM 7.2
> ---
> I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 
> 1 on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
> Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.
>
> I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
> paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
> have blank headers on some pages of the final document.
>
> How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
> book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks. tims
>
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Running Headers

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tim,

The Running Header/Footer variables cannot "see" the contents of previous
files (unless your documents are structured). I would use Running
Header/Footers with markers instead of paragraph formats and use FrameScript
to automatically populate the markers with the correct text. If you are
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Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:41 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Running Headers

FM 7.2
---
I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and
Heading 1 on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't
include a Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.

I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced
paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now
have blank headers on some pages of the final document.

How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8
book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.

Thanks. tims

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[Tim J. Slager]

Steve,

I'm new to FM and inherited the set of files. I'm not sure why some of the 
chapters are broken up into smaller pieces, but if I can't figure out a good 
reason for it, I'll probably combine the chunks into full chapters for the sake 
of consistency. That should take care of my problem. In the mean time I can try 
some of the suggestions offered from this list.

Thanks, everyone. tims

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From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:17 AM
To: Tim J. Slager
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running Headers

I'm not aware of having a variable pull a value from a different
physical file. Have you ever done that before? I expect the solution
is to use text insets rather than have one chapter split into multiple
files. One chapter should be one physical file for sanity's sake.

Alternatively, you might have to go with different variables but I
probably wouldn't go that route. (IOW, in Chapter 1, file 2, have a
variable that gets the value of ChapterTitleInvisible that is in the
file but doesn't display because it's in white text or is tagged with
conditional text.) That would be too hard to maintain.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Tim J. Slager
 wrote:
> FM 7.2
> ---
> I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 
> 1 on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
> Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.
>
> I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
> paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
> have blank headers on some pages of the final document.
>
> How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
> book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks. tims
>
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Running Headers

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2
---
I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 1 
on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.

I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
have blank headers on some pages of the final document.

How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.

Thanks. tims

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RE: Running Headers

[Mike Bradley]

We had a somewhat similar problem, but with document names. We finally
defined a variable for each doc name and imported all the variables into all
our files. You might have to do the same sort of thing for the chapter
titles in each manual; there might be a slicker way to go, but this way
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Running Headers

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2
---
I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 1 
on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.

I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
have blank headers on some pages of the final document.

How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

Running Headers

[Mike Bradley]

We had a somewhat similar problem, but with document names. We finally
defined a variable for each doc name and imported all the variables into all
our files. You might have to do the same sort of thing for the chapter
titles in each manual; there might be a slicker way to go, but this way
would certainly work.

= mike bradley
www.techpubs.com

Running headers calling on formatted variables

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in 1st-level 
titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName variable 
formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other purple).

When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.

Any clue?

Thank you all for your help,

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Re: Running headers calling on formatted variables

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Mathieu

I guess you are using a character format in the middle of your variable
definition, for example blueFramepurpleMaker?

I have tested this and, indeed, some properties of the character format
(font family, weight, spread, stretch, superscript) are also displayed in
the Running H/F, others are not (font size, color).

Is this a bug or by design?


-- 
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Instructor
www.scripto.nu

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM, mathieu jacquet [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Hi all,

 I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

 In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in
 1st-level titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName
 variable formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other
 purple).

 When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.

 Any clue?

 Thank you all for your help,

 Mathieu.

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RE: Running headers calling on formatted variables

[Baruch Brodersen]

Yves and Mathieu,
 
Unfortunately you can only apply color to an entire running header-footer. It 
is possible though to create the effect you're after, but you have to sacrifice 
using a user-defined variable in the heading. Since you only occasionally need 
it, it might be feasible.

I'm sending a sample .fm file in a separate mail since what is described below 
is a little complex.
 
1. Create blue and purple character formats.
2. Create four paragraph formats based on Heading1:

ProductNameHeading1 = Heading1 As Is + Runin Head, empty space punct.
ProductName1  = Heading1 AsIs + color Blue + Runin Head
ProductName2  = Heading1 AsIs + color Purple + Runin Head, 1 empyt space punct.
AfterProdName3 = Heading1 AsIs (no runin head)
 
3. In your header use four variables in your header: 
 Running H/F 2  $paratext[Heading1,ProductNameHeading1] + 1 empty space   
 Running H/F 5  blue$paratext[ProductName1] 
 Running H/F 6  purple$paratext[ProductName2] + 1 empty space
 Running H/F 7  $paratext[AfterProdName3]
 
This will create a Heading 1 look-a-like that will include a two-color product 
name in both the heading and header. One problem remains however, and that is 
that you have to dispose of the text in Running H/F 5-7 with the next 
appearance of a stand alone Heading 1. To do that:

4. Create an anchored frame in the next Heading 1. Position the frame so 
outside the column. Inside the frame draw a textbox with three empty paragraph. 
Apply the ProductName1, ProductName2, and AfterProdName3 formats to them. That 
will wash out the Running H/F 5-7 in the Header and leave only Heading 1.

You can copy and paste the anchored frame as many times as you need it, or use 
AutoText from Silicon Prairie to drop it in whenever needed.


B a r u c h   B r o d e r s e n
T e c h n i t e x t   D o c u m e n t a t i o n   I n c

 
**
 
Yves Barbion wrote:
 
Hi Mathieu
 
I guess you are using a character format in the middle of your variable 
definition, for example blueFramepurpleMaker?
 
I have tested this and, indeed, some properties of the character format (font 
family, weight, spread, stretch, superscript) are also displayed in the Running 
H/F, others are not (font size, color).
 
Is this a bug or by design?
 
--
Yves Barbion * Managing Director Scripto * Adobe-Certified FrameMaker 
Instructor www.scripto.nu http://www.scripto.nu 
 

 
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM, mathieu jacquet [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
Hi all,
 
I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.
 
In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in 1st-level 
titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName variable 
formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other purple).
 
When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.
 
Any clue?
 
Thank you all for your help,
 
Mathieu.
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Running headers calling on formatted variables

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in 1st-level 
titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName variable 
formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other purple).

When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.

Any clue?

Thank you all for your help,

Mathieu.

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Running headers calling on formatted variables

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Mathieu

I guess you are using a character format in the middle of your variable
definition, for example FrameMaker?

I have tested this and, indeed, some properties of the character format
(font family, weight, spread, stretch, superscript) are also displayed in
the Running H/F, others are not (font size, color).

Is this a bug or "by design"?


-- 
Yves Barbion ? Managing Director Scripto ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker
Instructor
www.scripto.nu

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.
>
> In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in
> 1st-level titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName
> variable formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other
> purple).
>
> When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.
>
> Any clue?
>
> Thank you all for your help,
>
> Mathieu.
>
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Running headers calling on formatted variables

[Baruch Brodersen]

Yves and Mathieu,

Unfortunately you can only apply color to an entire running header-footer. It 
is possible though to create the effect you're after, but you have to sacrifice 
using a user-defined variable in the heading. Since you only occasionally need 
it, it might be feasible.

I'm sending a sample .fm file in a separate mail since what is described below 
is a little complex.

1. Create  and  character formats.
2. Create four paragraph formats based on Heading1:

ProductNameHeading1 = Heading1 As Is + Runin Head, empty space punct.
ProductName1  = Heading1 AsIs + color Blue + Runin Head
ProductName2  = Heading1 AsIs + color Purple + Runin Head, 1 empyt space punct.
AfterProdName3 = Heading1 AsIs (no runin head)

3. In your header use four variables in your header: 
 Running H/F 2  <$paratext[Heading1,ProductNameHeading1]> + 1 empty space   
 Running H/F 5  <$paratext[ProductName1]> 
 Running H/F 6  <$paratext[ProductName2]> + 1 empty space
 Running H/F 7  <$paratext[AfterProdName3]>

This will create a Heading 1 look-a-like that will include a two-color product 
name in both the heading and header. One problem remains however, and that is 
that you have to dispose of the text in Running H/F 5-7 with the next 
appearance of a stand alone Heading 1. To do that:

4. Create an anchored frame in the next Heading 1. Position the frame so 
outside the column. Inside the frame draw a textbox with three empty paragraph. 
Apply the ProductName1, ProductName2, and AfterProdName3 formats to them. That 
will wash out the Running H/F 5-7 in the Header and leave only Heading 1.

You can copy and paste the anchored frame as many times as you need it, or use 
AutoText from Silicon Prairie to drop it in whenever needed.


B a r u c h   B r o d e r s e n
T e c h n i t e x t   D o c u m e n t a t i o n   I n c


**

Yves Barbion wrote:

Hi Mathieu

I guess you are using a character format in the middle of your variable 
definition, for example FrameMaker?

I have tested this and, indeed, some properties of the character format (font 
family, weight, spread, stretch, superscript) are also displayed in the Running 
H/F, others are not (font size, color).

Is this a bug or "by design"?

--
Yves Barbion * Managing Director Scripto * Adobe-Certified FrameMaker 
Instructor www.scripto.nu <http://www.scripto.nu> 



On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote:

Hi all,

I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in 1st-level 
titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName variable 
formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other purple).

When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.

Any clue?

Thank you all for your help,

Mathieu.

Re: Long running headers

[Yves Barbion]

Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it for
more design flexibility:

   - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
   headers/footers on a colored background.
   - You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
   the default cell margins.
   - You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
   - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
   text becomes longer.

Kind regards

-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
Scripto
Belgium

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
 the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
 paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
 set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
 pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.

 Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
 automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.


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RE: Long running headers

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to
automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and
its length varies in different books.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Yves Barbion
 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Long running headers
 
 Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column 
 table in it for
 more design flexibility:
 
- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
headers/footers on a colored background.
- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
the default cell margins.
- You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
text becomes longer.
 
 Kind regards
 
 -- 
 Yves Barbion
 Documentation Architect
 Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 Scripto
 Belgium
 
 On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on 
 each side of
  the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
  paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can 
 independently
  set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
  pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even 
 control the
  'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
 
  Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
  automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
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RE: Long running headers

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Yves,
 
My header consist of a running header/footer variable with heading2 in
one column and the system and product name in the other column.
In other books the system and product name is different and therefore
I have to adjust the column width. I do not want the system/product
name to break to a second line.
 
I figure that there isn't a fully automatized solution without FrameScript.
 
Michael Müller-Hillebrand suggested another interesting approach:
o A text frame for the header.
o 1 paragraph for the system/product name, pagination Run-In Head with
  Default Punctuation \sm\sm (to have a space between system/product
  name and running header/footer).
o 1 paragraph for the running header/footer variable, right aligned.
  This paragraph will be automatically on the same line as the first and it
  breaks to the next if its length gets too long.
 
That works automatically when the system/product name is on the left side
of the header. However, when the system/product name is on the right
side, the paragraph with the running header/footer on the left needs a
right indentation of the length of the system/product name. That would
have to be adjusted manually.
 
Best regards
 
Winfried
 


From: Yves Barbion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:57 AM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Long running headers



What exactly would you like to automate, Winfried?




On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


Hi,

I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to
automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and
its length varies in different books.

Best regards

Winfried


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Yves Barbion
 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Long running headers

 Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column
 table in it for
 more design flexibility:

- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to 
place your
headers/footers on a colored background.
- You can control the distance between both columns by 
playing with
the default cell margins.
- You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
- Your table cells will expand automatically as your 
header/footer
text becomes longer.

 Kind regards

 --
 Yves Barbion
 Documentation Architect
 Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 Scripto
 Belgium

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on
 each side of
  the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and 
two header
  paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can
 independently
  set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the 
different
  pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even
 control the
  'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
 
  Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified 
content
  automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or 
indents.

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RE: Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

I've used tables in the header as well, in particular for the vertical
alignment capability.  

But there are a few cautions: 

- the table row (cell) height automatically expanding may be an issue
  depending on the available space; you have to be sure your header
  content doesn't get cut if it grows (make sure the header frame is
  tall enough)

- a table has to have an anchor paragraph in the header text frame
  that also adds vertical space; this can be overcome by setting
  BOTH the space below the anchor paragraph and the height above
  the table to the negative line spacing of the anchoring paragraph.
  E.g., if the paragraph line space value is 2 points, set the space
  below the para and space above the table to -2 points.  OR you can
  play with the size and placement of the header frame to move it 
  closer to the top paper edge.  Or both 

On Tuesday, April 22, 2008 02:43 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: 
 
| Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it
| for more design flexibility:
| 
|  - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
|headers/footers on a colored background.
|  - You can control the distance between both columns by playing
|with the default cell margins.
|  - You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
|  - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
|text becomes longer.
| 
| Kind regards
| 
| --
| Yves Barbion
| Documentation Architect
| Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
| Scripto
| Belgium


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Long running headers

[Yves Barbion]

Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it for
more design flexibility:

   - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
   headers/footers on a colored background.
   - You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
   the default cell margins.
   - You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
   - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
   text becomes longer.

Kind regards

-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
Scripto
Belgium

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley 
wrote:

> Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
> the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
> paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
> set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
> pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
> 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
>
> Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
> automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
>
>

Long running headers

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to
automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and
its length varies in different books.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Yves Barbion
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Long running headers
> 
> Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column 
> table in it for
> more design flexibility:
> 
>- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
>headers/footers on a colored background.
>- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
>the default cell margins.
>- You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
>- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
>text becomes longer.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> Documentation Architect
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> Scripto
> Belgium
> 
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on 
> each side of
> > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
> > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can 
> independently
> > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
> > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even 
> control the
> > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
> >
> > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
> > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.

Long running headers

[Yves Barbion]

What exactly would you like to automate, Winfried?



On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to
> automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and
> its length varies in different books.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > Yves Barbion
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Long running headers
> >
> > Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column
> > table in it for
> > more design flexibility:
> >
> >- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
> >headers/footers on a colored background.
> >- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
> >the default cell margins.
> >- You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
> >- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
> >text becomes longer.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > --
> > Yves Barbion
> > Documentation Architect
> > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> > Scripto
> > Belgium
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on
> > each side of
> > > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
> > > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can
> > independently
> > > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
> > > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even
> > control the
> > > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
> > >
> > > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
> > > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
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Long running headers

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Yves,

My header consist of a running header/footer variable with heading2 in
one column and the system and product name in the other column.
In other books the system and product name is different and therefore
I have to adjust the column width. I do not want the system/product
name to break to a second line.

I figure that there isn't a fully automatized solution without FrameScript.

Michael M?ller-Hillebrand suggested another interesting approach:
o A text frame for the header.
o 1 paragraph for the system/product name, pagination Run-In Head with
  Default Punctuation \sm\sm (to have a space between system/product
  name and running header/footer).
o 1 paragraph for the running header/footer variable, right aligned.
  This paragraph will be automatically on the same line as the first and it
  breaks to the next if its length gets too long.

That works automatically when the system/product name is on the left side
of the header. However, when the system/product name is on the right
side, the paragraph with the running header/footer on the left needs a
right indentation of the length of the system/product name. That would
have to be adjusted manually.

Best regards

Winfried



From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:57 AM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Long running headers



What exactly would you like to automate, Winfried?




On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried  wrote:


Hi,

I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to
automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and
its length varies in different books.

Best regards

Winfried


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Yves Barbion
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Long running headers
>
> Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column
> table in it for
> more design flexibility:
>
>- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to 
place your
>headers/footers on a colored background.
>- You can control the distance between both columns by 
playing with
>the default cell margins.
>- You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
>- Your table cells will expand automatically as your 
header/footer
>text becomes longer.
>
> Kind regards
>
> --
> Yves Barbion
> Documentation Architect
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> Scripto
> Belgium
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on
> each side of
> > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and 
two header
> > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can
> independently
> > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the 
different
> > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even
> control the
> > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
> >
> > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified 
content
> > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or 
indents.

Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

I've used tables in the header as well, in particular for the vertical
alignment capability.  

But there are a few cautions: 

- the table row (cell) height automatically expanding may be an issue
  depending on the available space; you have to be sure your header
  content doesn't get cut if it grows (make sure the header frame is
  tall enough)

- a table has to have an anchor paragraph in the header text frame
  that also adds vertical space; this can be overcome by setting
  BOTH the space below the anchor paragraph and the height above
  the table to the negative line spacing of the anchoring paragraph.
  E.g., if the paragraph line space value is 2 points, set the space
  below the para and space above the table to -2 points.  OR you can
  play with the size and placement of the header frame to move it 
  closer to the top paper edge.  Or both 

On Tuesday, April 22, 2008 02:43 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: 

| Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it
| for more design flexibility:
| 
|  - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
|headers/footers on a colored background.
|  - You can control the distance between both columns by playing
|with the default cell margins.
|  - You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
|  - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
|text becomes longer.
| 
| Kind regards
| 
| --
| Yves Barbion
| Documentation Architect
| Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
| Scripto
| Belgium


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Long running headers

[Milan Davidovic]

I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
wrap so that it looks something like this:

Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
   yadda yadda yadda

but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.

Your wisdom and guidance, please  thanks.

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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Re: Long running headers

[Rick Quatro]

Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second 
line.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


 I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
 running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
 the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
 manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
 last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
 wrap so that it looks something like this:

 Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
   yadda yadda yadda

 but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
 undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
 disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
 chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
 the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.

 Your wisdom and guidance, please  thanks.

 -- 
 Milan Davidovic
 http://altmilan.blogspot.com
 http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

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Re: Long running headers

[Milan Davidovic]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second
 line.

And sure enough -- in checking the text frame in question against
others, it is indeed higher. Many thanks...

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RE: Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.

Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.

On Monday, April 21, 2008 12:06 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

| Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the
| second | line.
| 
| Rick Quatro
| Carmen Publishing
| 585-659-8267
| www.frameexpert.com
| 
|  I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
|  running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title
|  and the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
|  manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
|  last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1
|  to wrap so that it looks something like this:
| 
|  Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
|yadda yadda yadda
| 
|  but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has
|  come undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
|  disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
|  chapter title or the heading is not an option, and at this time
|  in the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
| 
|  Your wisdom and guidance, please  thanks.
| 
|  --
|  Milan Davidovic
|  http://altmilan.blogspot.com
|  http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

- Lester 
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Re: Long running headers

[Milan Davidovic]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
  the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
  paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
  set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
  pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.

That's a good one for my upcoming project -- many thanks for that...

-- 
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http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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Long running headers

[Milan Davidovic]

I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
wrap so that it looks something like this:

Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
   yadda yadda yadda

but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.

Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

Long running headers

[Rick Quatro]

Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second 
line.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
> running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
> the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
> manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
> last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
> wrap so that it looks something like this:
>
> Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
>   yadda yadda yadda
>
> but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
> undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
> disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
> chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
> the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
>
> Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.
>
> -- 
> Milan Davidovic
> http://altmilan.blogspot.com
> http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

Long running headers

[Milan Davidovic]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Rick Quatro  
wrote:
> Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second
> line.

And sure enough -- in checking the text frame in question against
others, it is indeed higher. Many thanks...

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

Long running headers

[Lester C. Smalley]

Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.

Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.

On Monday, April 21, 2008 12:06 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

| Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the
| second | line.
| 
| Rick Quatro
| Carmen Publishing
| 585-659-8267
| www.frameexpert.com
| 
| > I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
| > running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title
| > and the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
| > manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
| > last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1
| > to wrap so that it looks something like this:
| >
| > Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
| >   yadda yadda yadda
| >
| > but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has
| > come undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
| > disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
| > chapter title or the heading is not an option, and at this time
| > in the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
| >
| > Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.
| >
| > --
| > Milan Davidovic
| > http://altmilan.blogspot.com
| > http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

- Lester 
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Long running headers

[Milan Davidovic]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
 wrote:
> Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
>  the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
>  paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
>  set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
>  pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.

That's a good one for my upcoming project -- many thanks for that...

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

Help with Running Headers

[David Kuhn]

I am running into a problem inserting a running header.

It is for a book organized into parts.

One of the master pages must include a header row containing the Part
number and Part name above the Chapter number and Chapter name.

I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the definition that
exists from $paratext[H1_Heading1] to $paratext[Part].

There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it exists only in
the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.

But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body Pages view,
this line does not appear at all. 

 

 

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Technical Writer

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Re: Help with Running Headers

[Art Campbell]

Unless you're already using it, you could assign the book's $volnum
variable to display the Part's information by mapping it to the
appropriate chapters in the book file. Then just set up the header
definition to display the word Part and the contents of $volnum. It
should work fine because the $volnum variable spans all the affected
chapters.

Art

On Nov 13, 2007 10:15 AM, David Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am running into a problem inserting a running header.

 It is for a book organized into parts.

 One of the master pages must include a header row containing the Part
 number and Part name above the Chapter number and Chapter name.

 I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the definition that
 exists from $paratext[H1_Heading1] to $paratext[Part].

 There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it exists only in
 the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.

 But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body Pages view,
 this line does not appear at all.





 David Kuhn

 Technical Writer

 09-776-1956 (desk)

 054-3078987 (mobile)



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RE: Help with Running Headers

[Combs, Richard]

David Kuhn wrote:
 
 I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the 
 definition that exists from $paratext[H1_Heading1] to 
 $paratext[Part].
 
 There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it 
 exists only in the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.
 
 But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body 
 Pages view, this line does not appear at all. 

There's no such thing in FM as a Part document type, there are only
chapters (.fm files) and books (.book files). If you're putting the Part
title page in its own chapter (.fm file), then the paratext from its
pgfs isn't available in subsequent chapter files. In order for the
Running H/F in a chapter file to display the text of a Part pgf, that
pgf must be in the file. 

As Art noted, you can use the Volume Number variable for your part
numbers. But if you want to display a part title in all the chapters in
that part, you'll have to use a workaround (listed in descending order
of preference, IMHO, and excluding my first choice, which would be not
to do this at all): 

-- Create a Part Name user variable, with a different definition for the
chapters in each part. 

-- Use a cross-reference to the Part pgf in the headers, with different
xrefs (and thus master pages) for the chapters in each part.

-- Create a tiny, invisible (white text) pgf containing the part name
somewhere in each chapter file.

-- Put all the chapters in a part into the same FM chapter (.fm) file,
and use old-style (pre-v.6) numbering for chapter numbers. 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: Help with Running Headers

[Art Campbell]

Actually, you can set the contents of $volnum to hold user-specified
text, which is the method I was thinking of using... Then just plug it
in either to the user variable, or into the header.

Art

On Nov 13, 2007 1:38 PM, Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David Kuhn wrote:

  I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the
  definition that exists from $paratext[H1_Heading1] to
  $paratext[Part].
 
  There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it
  exists only in the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.
 
  But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body
  Pages view, this line does not appear at all.

 There's no such thing in FM as a Part document type, there are only
 chapters (.fm files) and books (.book files). If you're putting the Part
 title page in its own chapter (.fm file), then the paratext from its
 pgfs isn't available in subsequent chapter files. In order for the
 Running H/F in a chapter file to display the text of a Part pgf, that
 pgf must be in the file.

 As Art noted, you can use the Volume Number variable for your part
 numbers. But if you want to display a part title in all the chapters in
 that part, you'll have to use a workaround (listed in descending order
 of preference, IMHO, and excluding my first choice, which would be not
 to do this at all):

 -- Create a Part Name user variable, with a different definition for the
 chapters in each part.

 -- Use a cross-reference to the Part pgf in the headers, with different
 xrefs (and thus master pages) for the chapters in each part.

 -- Create a tiny, invisible (white text) pgf containing the part name
 somewhere in each chapter file.

 -- Put all the chapters in a part into the same FM chapter (.fm) file,
 and use old-style (pre-v.6) numbering for chapter numbers.

 HTH!
 Richard


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RE: Help with Running Headers

[Combs, Richard]

Art Campbell wrote:
 
 Actually, you can set the contents of $volnum to hold 
 user-specified text, which is the method I was thinking of 
 using... Then just plug it in either to the user variable, or 
 into the header.

slap_forehead /Of course! David mentioned needing both the part number
and name, so it didn't occur to me that you could combine the two, if
you didn't mind hard-coding the number as part of a text string. 

On the Volume tab of Numbering Properties, set Volume # to (for
instance) Part 1 Getting Started, and Format to Text. 

If you move a chapter (or rearrange the parts), you'll have to manually
change the numbering, but this workaround goes at the top of my list.
Thanks for straightening me out, Art! :-)

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Help with Running Headers

[David Kuhn]

I am running into a problem inserting a running header.

It is for a book organized into parts.

One of the master pages must include a header row containing the Part
number and Part name above the Chapter number and Chapter name.

I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the definition that
exists from <$paratext[H1_Heading1]> to <$paratext[Part]>.

There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it exists only in
the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.

But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body Pages view,
this line does not appear at all. 





David Kuhn

Technical Writer

09-776-1956 (desk)

054-3078987 (mobile)




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Help with Running Headers

[Art Campbell]

Unless you're already using it, you could assign the book's $volnum
variable to display the Part's information by mapping it to the
appropriate chapters in the book file. Then just set up the header
definition to display the word "Part" and the contents of $volnum. It
should work fine because the $volnum variable spans all the affected
chapters.

Art

On Nov 13, 2007 10:15 AM, David Kuhn  wrote:
> I am running into a problem inserting a running header.
>
> It is for a book organized into parts.
>
> One of the master pages must include a header row containing the Part
> number and Part name above the Chapter number and Chapter name.
>
> I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the definition that
> exists from <$paratext[H1_Heading1]> to <$paratext[Part]>.
>
> There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it exists only in
> the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.
>
> But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body Pages view,
> this line does not appear at all.
>
>
>
>
>
> David Kuhn
>
> Technical Writer
>
> 09-776-1956 (desk)
>
> 054-3078987 (mobile)



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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Help with Running Headers

[Combs, Richard]

David Kuhn wrote:

> I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the 
> definition that exists from <$paratext[H1_Heading1]> to 
> <$paratext[Part]>.
> 
> There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it 
> exists only in the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.
> 
> But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body 
> Pages view, this line does not appear at all. 

There's no such thing in FM as a "Part document type," there are only
chapters (.fm files) and books (.book files). If you're putting the Part
title page in its own chapter (.fm file), then the paratext from its
pgfs isn't available in subsequent chapter files. In order for the
Running H/F in a chapter file to display the text of a Part pgf, that
pgf must be in the file. 

As Art noted, you can use the Volume Number variable for your part
numbers. But if you want to display a part title in all the chapters in
that part, you'll have to use a workaround (listed in descending order
of preference, IMHO, and excluding my first choice, which would be not
to do this at all): 

-- Create a Part Name user variable, with a different definition for the
chapters in each part. 

-- Use a cross-reference to the Part pgf in the headers, with different
xrefs (and thus master pages) for the chapters in each part.

-- Create a tiny, invisible (white text) pgf containing the part name
somewhere in each chapter file.

-- Put all the chapters in a part into the same FM chapter (.fm) file,
and use old-style (pre-v.6) numbering for chapter numbers. 

HTH!
Richard


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--
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Help with Running Headers

[Art Campbell]

Actually, you can set the contents of $volnum to hold user-specified
text, which is the method I was thinking of using... Then just plug it
in either to the user variable, or into the header.

Art

On Nov 13, 2007 1:38 PM, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> David Kuhn wrote:
>
> > I tried to insert a Running Header 5, just changing the
> > definition that exists from <$paratext[H1_Heading1]> to
> > <$paratext[Part]>.
> >
> > There is already a Part paragraph format defined, but it
> > exists only in the Part document type, not the Chapter document type.
> >
> > But when I switch from the Master Pages view to the Body
> > Pages view, this line does not appear at all.
>
> There's no such thing in FM as a "Part document type," there are only
> chapters (.fm files) and books (.book files). If you're putting the Part
> title page in its own chapter (.fm file), then the paratext from its
> pgfs isn't available in subsequent chapter files. In order for the
> Running H/F in a chapter file to display the text of a Part pgf, that
> pgf must be in the file.
>
> As Art noted, you can use the Volume Number variable for your part
> numbers. But if you want to display a part title in all the chapters in
> that part, you'll have to use a workaround (listed in descending order
> of preference, IMHO, and excluding my first choice, which would be not
> to do this at all):
>
> -- Create a Part Name user variable, with a different definition for the
> chapters in each part.
>
> -- Use a cross-reference to the Part pgf in the headers, with different
> xrefs (and thus master pages) for the chapters in each part.
>
> -- Create a tiny, invisible (white text) pgf containing the part name
> somewhere in each chapter file.
>
> -- Put all the chapters in a part into the same FM chapter (.fm) file,
> and use old-style (pre-v.6) numbering for chapter numbers.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
> --
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
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> 303-777-0436
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Help with Running Headers

[Combs, Richard]

Art Campbell wrote:

> Actually, you can set the contents of $volnum to hold 
> user-specified text, which is the method I was thinking of 
> using... Then just plug it in either to the user variable, or 
> into the header.

Of course! David mentioned needing both the part number
and name, so it didn't occur to me that you could combine the two, if
you didn't mind hard-coding the number as part of a text string. 

On the Volume tab of Numbering Properties, set Volume # to (for
instance) "Part 1 Getting Started," and Format to Text. 

If you move a chapter (or rearrange the parts), you'll have to manually
change the numbering, but this workaround goes at the top of my list.
Thanks for straightening me out, Art! :-)

Richard


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Running Headers

[Michael Lewis]

Gillian Flato:

> But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
> and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
> page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
> that?

You could always insert a Head 2 "Introduction" immediately after the Head 1 . 
. .


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www.brandle.com.au
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Re: Running Headers

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:59 -0500 9/1/07, Art Campbell wrote:

If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
variable string in the Master Page header to $paratext[+,Head2]
instead of $paratext[Head2].

Yup: this '+' notation also allows you to create 'dictionary' style spanned 
headers, like 'Aardvark-Avocet', 'Bantam-Broiler', kind of stuff. I've used it 
when typesetting directories.

-- 
Steve
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RE: Running Headers

[mark.poston]

Although this formed a part of a larger solution which was controlled
using a FrameMaker plugin, I used Header/Footer markers and the
respective variables ($marker1  $marker2) to achieve a similar
result.

On the page where your Head1 exist you could add a marker with the Head2
content. This could be performed manually or using one of the scripting
tools available for FrameMaker (i.e. FrameAC or FrameScript).

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: 10 January 2007 17:00
To: Steve Rickaby; Art Campbell
Cc: framers
Subject: RE: Running Headers

But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
that?


Thank you,

 
Gillian 
-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:47 AM
To: Art Campbell; Gillian Flato
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Running Headers

At 16:59 -0500 9/1/07, Art Campbell wrote:

If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
variable string in the Master Page header to $paratext[+,Head2]
instead of $paratext[Head2].

Yup: this '+' notation also allows you to create 'dictionary' style
spanned headers, like 'Aardvark-Avocet', 'Bantam-Broiler', kind of
stuff. I've used it when typesetting directories.

-- 
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Re: Running Headers

[Art Campbell]

Unless you implement a manual or scripted solution as Mark suggests,
you probably can't -- I noted in the first post that the
out-of-the-box solution only works when the heads are on the same
page.

Just in passing, from a reader's point of view, it probably doesn't
give me any useful information to know what the next subtopic
(Heading2) is, especially if it's several pages away. Knowing the
topic that's on the page though, could be helpful, especially if
you're skimming for info.

Art

On 1/10/07, Gillian Flato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
that?


Thank you,


Gillian
-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:47 AM
To: Art Campbell; Gillian Flato
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Running Headers

At 16:59 -0500 9/1/07, Art Campbell wrote:

If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
variable string in the Master Page header to $paratext[+,Head2]
instead of $paratext[Head2].

Yup: this '+' notation also allows you to create 'dictionary' style
spanned headers, like 'Aardvark-Avocet', 'Bantam-Broiler', kind of
stuff. I've used it when typesetting directories.

--
Steve




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RE: Running Headers

[Michael Lewis]

Gillian Flato:

 But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
 and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
 page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
 that?

You could always insert a Head 2 Introduction immediately after the Head 1 . 
. .


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Running Headers

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:59 -0500 9/1/07, Art Campbell wrote:

>If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
>tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
>variable string in the Master Page header to <$paratext[+,Head2]>
>instead of <$paratext[Head2]>.

Yup: this '+' notation also allows you to create 'dictionary' style spanned 
headers, like 'Aardvark-Avocet', 'Bantam-Broiler', kind of stuff. I've used it 
when typesetting directories.

-- 
Steve

Running Headers

[Gillian Flato]

But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
that?


Thank you,


Gillian 
-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:47 AM
To: Art Campbell; Gillian Flato
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Running Headers

At 16:59 -0500 9/1/07, Art Campbell wrote:

>If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
>tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
>variable string in the Master Page header to <$paratext[+,Head2]>
>instead of <$paratext[Head2]>.

Yup: this '+' notation also allows you to create 'dictionary' style
spanned headers, like 'Aardvark-Avocet', 'Bantam-Broiler', kind of
stuff. I've used it when typesetting directories.

-- 
Steve

Running Headers

[mark.pos...@mekon.com]

Although this formed a part of a larger solution which was controlled
using a FrameMaker plugin, I used Header/Footer markers and the
respective variables (<$marker1> & <$marker2>) to achieve a similar
result.

On the page where your Head1 exist you could add a marker with the Head2
content. This could be performed manually or using one of the scripting
tools available for FrameMaker (i.e. FrameAC or FrameScript).

Regards

Mark


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+mark.poston=mekon@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+mark.poston=mekon.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Gillian Flato
Sent: 10 January 2007 17:00
To: Steve Rickaby; Art Campbell
Cc: framers
Subject: RE: Running Headers

But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
that?


Thank you,


Gillian 
-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:47 AM
To: Art Campbell; Gillian Flato
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Running Headers

At 16:59 -0500 9/1/07, Art Campbell wrote:

>If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
>tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
>variable string in the Master Page header to <$paratext[+,Head2]>
>instead of <$paratext[Head2]>.

Yup: this '+' notation also allows you to create 'dictionary' style
spanned headers, like 'Aardvark-Avocet', 'Bantam-Broiler', kind of
stuff. I've used it when typesetting directories.

-- 
Steve
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Running Headers

[Art Campbell]

Unless you implement a manual or scripted solution as Mark suggests,
you probably can't -- I noted in the first post that the
out-of-the-box solution only works when the heads are on the same
page.

Just in passing, from a reader's point of view, it probably doesn't
give me any useful information to know what the next subtopic
(Heading2) is, especially if it's several pages away. Knowing the
topic that's on the page though, could be helpful, especially if
you're skimming for info.

Art

On 1/10/07, Gillian Flato  wrote:
> But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
> and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
> page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
> that?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Gillian
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:47 AM
> To: Art Campbell; Gillian Flato
> Cc: framers
> Subject: Re: Running Headers
>
> At 16:59 -0500 9/1/07, Art Campbell wrote:
>
> >If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
> >tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
> >variable string in the Master Page header to <$paratext[+,Head2]>
> >instead of <$paratext[Head2]>.
>
> Yup: this '+' notation also allows you to create 'dictionary' style
> spanned headers, like 'Aardvark-Avocet', 'Bantam-Broiler', kind of
> stuff. I've used it when typesetting directories.
>
> --
> Steve
>


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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Running Headers

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:59 -0800 10/1/07, Gillian Flato wrote:

>But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
>and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
>page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
>that?

Gillian: my remark wasn't meant as a solution to your original posting, but 
merely an addenda to Art's.

I've revisited your original mail, and afaik you can't fix this if you use 
separate headers - or at least, I don't know a way of doing so: FrameMaker will 
always take the most recent previous instance of a para tag from the end of the 
current page backwards when it's referenced in a running header. So if you've 
got a Head1 but no Head2 on the current page, a H/F variable that references 
only a Head2 will reference the previous, invalid, one - as you've found out.

The usual way around this is to use just one context header, and define it as 
$paratext[Head1,Head2]. This causes the header to display the first of Head1 or 
Head2 that it finds. This has the following results:

. If a page contains a Head1 only, it's displayed

. If a page contains no Head 1, the most recent previous Head1 or Head2 are 
displayed - which by definition are valid

. If a page contains a Head1 and a Head2, the Head1 is displayed

. If a page contains a Head2 but no Head1, the Head2 is displayed.

HTH

-- 
Steve

Running Headers

[Gillian Flato]

>>The usual way around this is to use just one context header, and
define it as $paratext[Head1,Head2]. This causes the header to display
the first of Head1 or Head2 that it finds. This has the following
results:

Thanks Steve. I think this is the best solution. I am implementing it
now. 


Thank you,

Gillian 


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:27 AM
To: Gillian Flato; Art Campbell
Cc: framers
Subject: RE: Running Headers

At 08:59 -0800 10/1/07, Gillian Flato wrote:

>But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1
>and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next
>page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for
>that?

Gillian: my remark wasn't meant as a solution to your original posting,
but merely an addenda to Art's.

I've revisited your original mail, and afaik you can't fix this if you
use separate headers - or at least, I don't know a way of doing so:
FrameMaker will always take the most recent previous instance of a para
tag from the end of the current page backwards when it's referenced in a
running header. So if you've got a Head1 but no Head2 on the current
page, a H/F variable that references only a Head2 will reference the
previous, invalid, one - as you've found out.

The usual way around this is to use just one context header, and define
it as $paratext[Head1,Head2]. This causes the header to display the
first of Head1 or Head2 that it finds. This has the following results:

. If a page contains a Head1 only, it's displayed

. If a page contains no Head 1, the most recent previous Head1 or Head2
are displayed - which by definition are valid

. If a page contains a Head1 and a Head2, the Head1 is displayed

. If a page contains a Head2 but no Head1, the Head2 is displayed.

HTH

-- 
Steve

Running Headers

[Gillian Flato]

Does anyone know how to make the Running Header look for the next value
if a Head appears on the page? Specifically, I've got Running Headers
that print Head 1 and Head 2 in the margins. However, after a Head 1
shows up, a Head 2 is no longer valid. The Running Header is printing
the current Head 1 and the previous Head 2, instead of the next Head 2. 
Is that clear? 
 

Thank you,

 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

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Milpitas, CA. 95035

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Running Headers

[Gillian Flato]

Does anyone know how to make the Running Header look for the next value
if a Head appears on the page? Specifically, I've got Running Headers
that print Head 1 and Head 2 in the margins. However, after a Head 1
shows up, a Head 2 is no longer valid. The Running Header is printing
the current Head 1 and the previous Head 2, instead of the next Head 2. 
Is that clear? 


Thank you,



<mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com> 

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Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

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Running Headers

[Art Campbell]

If I'm understanding you correctly, the limiting factor is what page
the level 2 heads are on.
IF they're on the same page as the header, you can specify the last
Head2 on the page instead of the first (what you're calling the
previous) Head2.

However, as far as I know, you can't make this work across multiple pages.

If all your heads are on the same page as the header, though, you can
tell it to pick up the last Head2 on the page by modifying the
variable string in the Master Page header to <$paratext[+,Head2]>
instead of <$paratext[Head2]>.

Art

On 1/9/07, Gillian Flato  wrote:
> Does anyone know how to make the Running Header look for the next value
> if a Head appears on the page? Specifically, I've got Running Headers
> that print Head 1 and Head 2 in the margins. However, after a Head 1
> shows up, a Head 2 is no longer valid. The Running Header is printing
> the current Head 1 and the previous Head 2, instead of the next Head 2.
> Is that clear?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> <mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>
>
> Gillian Flato
>


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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

(Solved) Unwanted Greek characters in running headers

[Vig, Nanna Poulsen]

My dear Mac solved the problem. I opened the 'latin' files on the Mac and Frame 
told me that some Greek fonts were missing. I then turned off the Remember 
missing fonts option and saved. Now all 'latin' running headers display as 
expected on Windows, too. But why the project changed font behavior since it 
was first created on Windows I still don't know.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+nanna.vig=esko@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+nanna.vig=esko.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Vig, Nanna Poulsen
Sent: 19. juni 2006 15:34
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Unwanted Greek characters in running headers


Hello Framers,
I am sure there is a simple explanation to this, but I cannot think of it right 
now: 

While revising an old project containing 12 different languages in FM 7.0, Win 
XP, SP2, I suddenly find that my running headers show Greek characters instead 
of the 'native' German, Swedish, French ... characters that otherwise show 
correctly in the text's headings and body. There is apparently nothing wrong 
when I examine the variables. And the Greek part of the project seems to be OK 
re. headers. The fonts are Times New Roman and ITC Officina Sans, and both have 
worked well before. I cannot remember that I have changed my system much 
recently, except for installing SP2, WWePub and tried out the Sundorne plugin.

Thanks for any clues on this unexpected puzzle.

/Nanna
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(Solved) Unwanted Greek characters in running headers

[Matt Sullivan]

You'll need to edit the Font Substitution table in your maker.ini file.

There is a section in the Customizing Frame Products in Online Manuals (in
the Frame install directory) that describes the changes needed.
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Behalf Of Vig, Nanna Poulsen
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:37 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: (Solved) Unwanted Greek characters in running headers

My dear Mac solved the problem. I opened the 'latin' files on the Mac and
Frame told me that some Greek fonts were missing. I then turned off the
Remember missing fonts option and saved. Now all 'latin' running headers
display as expected on Windows, too. But why the project changed font
behavior since it was first created on Windows I still don't know.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+nanna.vig=esko@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+nanna.vig=esko.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Vig, Nanna Poulsen
Sent: 19. juni 2006 15:34
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Unwanted Greek characters in running headers


Hello Framers,
I am sure there is a simple explanation to this, but I cannot think of it
right now: 

While revising an old project containing 12 different languages in FM 7.0,
Win XP, SP2, I suddenly find that my running headers show Greek characters
instead of the 'native' German, Swedish, French ... characters that
otherwise show correctly in the text's headings and body. There is
apparently nothing wrong when I examine the variables. And the Greek part of
the project seems to be OK re. headers. The fonts are Times New Roman and
ITC Officina Sans, and both have worked well before. I cannot remember that
I have changed my system much recently, except for installing SP2, WWePub
and tried out the Sundorne plugin.

Thanks for any clues on this unexpected puzzle.

/Nanna
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Unwanted Greek characters in running headers

[Vig, Nanna Poulsen]

Hello Framers,
I am sure there is a simple explanation to this, but I cannot think of it right 
now: 

While revising an old project containing 12 different languages in FM 7.0, Win 
XP, SP2, I suddenly find that my running headers show Greek characters instead 
of the 'native' German, Swedish, French ... characters that otherwise show 
correctly in the text's headings and body. There is apparently nothing wrong 
when I examine the variables. And the Greek part of the project seems to be OK 
re. headers. The fonts are Times New Roman and ITC Officina Sans, and both have 
worked well before. I cannot remember that I have changed my system much 
recently, except for installing SP2, WWePub and tried out the Sundorne plugin.

Thanks for any clues on this unexpected puzzle.

/Nanna
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Unwanted Greek characters in running headers

[Vig, Nanna Poulsen]

Hello Framers,
I am sure there is a simple explanation to this, but I cannot think of it right 
now: 

While revising an old project containing 12 different languages in FM 7.0, Win 
XP, SP2, I suddenly find that my running headers show Greek characters instead 
of the 'native' German, Swedish, French ... characters that otherwise show 
correctly in the text's headings and body. There is apparently nothing wrong 
when I examine the variables. And the Greek part of the project seems to be OK 
re. headers. The fonts are Times New Roman and ITC Officina Sans, and both have 
worked well before. I cannot remember that I have changed my system much 
recently, except for installing SP2, WWePub and tried out the Sundorne plugin.

Thanks for any clues on this unexpected puzzle.

/Nanna