Re: [Frameworks] Making clear leader

[Ed Inman]

Black and white bleach is typically followed with a clearing solution to remove the stain.The most traditional formula is here:R-9 Bleach Water: 1 litre Potassium Dichromate: 9.5 g Sulfuric Acid (concentrated): 12 ml (Always add acid to water--never water to acid.) CB-1 Clearing Bath: Water: 1 litre Sodium sulfite: 90 g -An alternative formula is here:BLEACHTwo solutions, A and B are mixed as follows:For solution A add 2g of potassium permanganate to 500ml water.For solution B add 10ml of concentrated sulphuric acid to 490ml water.For use, mix equal parts of A and B, making a fresh working solution for each film, and discard after use.CLEARING SOLUTIONAdd 25g sodium or potassium metabisulphite to 800ml water. When the sodium or potassium metabisulphite is dissolved make up to 1 litre.-The easier (and less hazardous) way is to simply use conventional fixer on undeveloped black and white film stock.-Original Message-
From: Nicole Baker 
Sent: Jul 27, 2020 1:35 AM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Making clear leader

Hello frameworkers!I am aware that it is possible to bleach developed film (found/unused footage) into clear leader but am not sure how?Could anyone let me know the chemistry required to remove the fixed emulsion?Thanks!Nicole Elaine Baker PetersonMFA in Visual Studies, 2019Pacific Northwest College of ArtHallie Ford School of Graduate Studieswww.magiklantern.com

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Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome?

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My only (admittedly unscientific) observation is that VS is very unpredictable. Sometimes a film will smell of vinegar for years or even decades and not warp a bit. Other times it's almost here today, gone tomorrow (which is to say the decay happens very rapidly). Still other times only a portion, say a few hundred feet, of a film will get VS and the rest will be fine. Sometimes you'll dig a film out of an attic or barn and it will be fine while others stored in climate controlled conditions will be unplayable.Certainly good storage practices are important, but I also think VS also has much to do with how the film was originally manufactured and processed--conditions generally beyond the control of a film collector or archivist. All I know for sure is that it's very frustrating to see a film you love go bad.Ed-Original Message-
From: eliza levinson 
Sent: Dec 17, 2019 6:25 AM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome?

Hi, dear Frameworks friends ~ I'm lucky enough to know some of you personally (hi, Microscope! hi, EPFC!), but in case I don't, I'm a Berlin-based artist and writer with a big love for analog film. I'm working on a series (both visual and text-based) for a zine this January where the theme is "vinegar," so, naturally, I'm writing about vinegar syndrome. The piece will combine around 500 words on the subject with 6-8 hi-res images of some nice deteriorating film.I'm writing to ask: • does anyone have digitized films available online which demonstrate vinegar syndrome, which you might be interested in contributing to being featured in this piece in the form of stills? You will be credited!• does anyone have thoughts or feelings about vinegar syndrome they might want to share, that could be included in the piece? Thanks so much! Have a nice day,Eliza

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Re: [Frameworks] Camera question

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I would like to know too. I wonder if it was a real working camera or rather just a prop. The placement of the lens at the very top seems odd. I don't think there would be room to place a Super 8 cartridge inside with the lens in that position. --Ed-Original Message-
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Sent: Dec 11, 2019 3:03 PM
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Ack, here’s the link.  Apologies!
 
Claire
 
 
https://pro.magnumphotos.com/Catalogue/Burt-Glinn/1965/USA-NYC-Andy-WARHOL-Edie-SEDGWICK-and-Chuck-WEIN-NN112607.html
 
 


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Hi Frameworkers!
 
We need some help identifying a camera in a photo of Warhol for our catalogue raisonné.  Does anyone know what kind of camera Warhol is holding in these photos by Burt Glinn from 1965?  I’m thinking Super 8, but am unsure.  If anyone could
 provide any help that would be amazing and very welcomed.
 
 
Thanks!
 
Claire
 
 
Claire K. Henry
Assistant Curator
The Andy Warhol Film Project
Whitney Museum of American Art
99 Gansevoort Street
New York, NY 10014
Tel: 212 570 7740
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Re: [Frameworks] Flying with a xenon bulb

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I'm not sure what airline policy is but I'd think it legal only to transport a xenon lamp separate from the projector in a proper protective container. I've seen reflectors ruined by exploding xenon lamps--not to mention what a baggage handler would think if one exploded while there were sorting it. -Original Message-
From: Cinema Project 
Sent: Oct 14, 2019 4:55 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] Flying with a xenon bulb

Hi all, we are flying with a portable xenon projector soon. It will be a carry-on. Should we keep the bulb in the projector or take it out? Does anyone have experience with this? Thank you.-- Cinema Projectwww.cinemaproject.org971-266-0085PO Box 5991 Portland, OR 97228

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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

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There have been some experiments along these lines, but the process is quite complicated and Eastman Kodak no longer supplies the chemistry. Wiki spells out the basic K-14 steps here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-14_process-Original Message-
From: Colin Brant 
Sent: Apr 30, 2019 7:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

I would be curious to hear from anyone able to cast light on why Kodachrome can't be processed as intended. After years of hearing the simple "no" I'd be interested to know the more complicated, chemical reason. Anybody?


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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

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Kodachrome has some silver content so it can be processed as black & white. I used to do this to Super 8 Kodachrome films in the 70s using a standard b/w reversal formula. The only person I'm aware of who claims to be able to process it in color is Kelly-Shane Fuller of Piratelogy Studios but only in still camera lengths. https://shootfilmco.com/blogs/shoot-film-co/kodachrome-processed-in-color-seriously-Original Message-
From: Mark Street 
Sent: Apr 30, 2019 4:30 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

Dear All,My former teacher and friend Barbara Hammer asked me to finish a film for her; she gave me the material before she died.  She asked 4 of us to do so; I'm turning my attention to the project now.I had a crazy idea of shooting some Kodachrome.  Any way to purchase this outdated stock?  Any way of processing it assuming I can find a roll or two?all the best,Mark Streetwww.markstreetfilms.com

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Re: [Frameworks] Reel-y? New beer can double as motion picture film developer

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But does it taste as good as Dektol? (LOL)-Original Message-
From: FrameWorks Admin 
Sent: Mar 23, 2019 9:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Reel-y? New beer can double as motion picture film developer

Yes, you can see the test roll they processed with the beer on this page:https://petapixel.com/2019/03/20/this-beer-was-developed-to-process-kodak-super-8-film/#disqus_thread(the comments are funny)Also this one:https://www.dpreview.com/news/0772516271/craft-brewery-partners-with-kodak-to-create-a-beer-that-doubles-as-film-developer?fbclid=IwAR3ySQFsq-WfClBekZh-A_5D_t6e9Va7lQFo0cuX-p3p7UT88a3Hd7IXvc8PipOn Mar 24, 2019, at 6:37 AM, Cari Machet  wrote:Reel-y? New beer can double as motion picture film developerhttps://apnews.com/bd584b66a9f94794b1fa3f5be40e7103?utm_medium=AP_Oddities_source=Twitter_campaign=SocialFlow
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Re: [Frameworks] Cine-Kodak Special II

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Sounds like a broken spring--like in a wind-up clock. -Original Message-
From: Matt Shaw 
Sent: Dec 10, 2018 9:16 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] Cine-Kodak Special II

Hey frameworkers,Does anyone know of a place that works on Kodaks? I’ve got a Cine Special II (16mm) with a faulty motor and am new to the scene. The camera sat for an unknown period of time before I started using it. After winding the motor until the bell rings, the camera only runs a few seconds— most of the time.I’ve already checked with Duall to no avail. cheers,MattBlue Hill, ME
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Re: [Frameworks] Super 8mm camera rental - Baltimore, MD

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Not sure what you'd pay for a rental but wouldn't it be easier to just buy one? There are thousands on ebay, Here's one still in the box in the Baltimore area for $15. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bell-Howell-MS30-XL-Zoom-Sound-Movie-Camera-Super-8-BRAND-NEW-UNOPENED/292844004744-Original Message-
From: Colleen Kwok 
Sent: Dec 4, 2018 6:44 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] Super 8mm camera rental - Baltimore, MD

Dear Frameworks friends,I am currently looking for a super 8mm camera to rental for a project in the coming weekend. I wonder if anyone know of a rental place in the area, or who owns a camera that we can rent for a shoot. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!Best wishes,Colleen-- Colleen Kwok TungShuen Filmmaker | Photographer | Designerhttp://colleenkwok.com#TICARTS

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Re: [Frameworks] 35 mm Projectors For Sale

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Yes, the smaller lamphouses that will run off single phase power are somewhat scarce and in demand since most commercial theaters were set up with 3-phase service. What kind do you have? I'm using a pair of the ORC 1000's with 750 watt xenons on my 35mm projectors. They run off of regular 110 VAC house current. Have had some trouble finding anyone still willing to work on them but they are both working well at the moment and provide adequate light for my 12-foot back yard screen. I made the leap from 16mm to 35mm about 15 years ago and have never regretted it (though I still like 16mm films too). --Ed-Original Message-
From: Christopher Ball 
Sent: Jun 9, 2018 11:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 35 mm Projectors For Sale

Hmm.  I have two small lamp houses I am not using, I should put them on the market.  Didn't realize the demand was that high.

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Re: [Frameworks] analog cinema machines

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There is a long thread begun by Dennis Nyback of Portland, OR at 35mmforum about movies that show projectors, projection booths, and projectionists.Here is a partial list as identified in that thread:1941 197952 Pick-up 1986976-Evil 1988A Boy and His Dog 1975A Foreign Affair 1948 Silent 16mm AmproA Movie Star 1916Abbott and Costello in Hollywood 1945Anguish 1987Apartment Zero 1988Artist, The 2011Bad and the Beautiful, The 1952 Kirk Douglas and Barry Sullivan take their film into a theater for a sneak preview in 1934. They go into a booth equipped with the latest Simplex projectors for the movie's production date. Apparently a screening room on the MGM lot.Bait 1953Bellboy, The 1960 Studio booth features a small built-in rear projection screen.Below the Sea 1933 No projection booth but 35mm Projector set up in a ballroomBig Premiere, The 1940 Our Gang short where the kids shoot a film and premeire it in a barn.Blob, The 1958Blob, The 1988Buddy's Theatre  1935 WB cartoonBuen Viagje, Excelencia 2003Bugsy 1991Bulletproof Monk 2003Bye Bye Brasil 1979Carol 2015 A projectionist running SUNSET BLVD. while a bunch of people clamber around the viewing ports to watch. Simplex or Century. But whatever lamphouses are attached are definitely not 1950s-era!Casino Royale 1967Cecil B. Demented 2000Celluloid and Cigarettes 2004Children On Trial 1946Chillerama 2011Cinema Paradiso 1988Cinema, Aspirinas e Urubus 2005Clash By Night 1951Cleo from 5 to 7 Agnes Varda's 1962Closer You Get, The  2013Come See The Paradise 1990Coming Up Roses 2011Daddy Long Legs 1955Daffy Duck in Hollywood 1938Damien: Omen II 1978Day For Night 1973Death Kiss 1932Demons (Argento Version) 1985Der Fall Gleiwitz (The Gleiwitz Case) 1961Desparately Seeking Susan 1985Dirty Work 1998Dogs of War 1923Double Exposure episode Columbo with Robert Culp & Chuck McCann 1973Drive-in 1976East is East 1999El Viento Se Llevo Lo Que 1998Eskimo Nell 1975Evita 1996Ex-Mrs. Bradford, The 1936Fall, The 2006Family Way. The 1966Fight Club 1999Forgotten Lady episode Columbo with Janet Leigh 1975GAS, FOOD LODGING 1992Game Called on Account of Marriage Honeymooners 1954Gangster Squad 2012Godspell 1973Good German, The 2006Goodbye Dragon Inn (Bu San) 2003Green Mile, The  1999Gremlins 1984Gremlins 2 1990 Only in Theatrical ReleaseHail, Caesar! 2016Halfway to Hollywood 1938 short subject with a 16mm screening in a home.Hart's War 2002Hellzapoppin (Shemp as a projectionist) 1941Hercules Returns 1993Here Come the Marines 1952 16mm projection with an Ampro.Hitchcock 2012Hollywood Boulevard 1976Hollywood Canteen 1943 An outdoor screening (in the rain) of 1942's "The Hard Way".  The booth appears but for an instant during a pan/dissolve shot in the first 5 minutes of the film.Hollywood Cavelcade 1939I Wished on the Moon 1935 Fleischer cartoonInglorious Bastards 2010Inner Circle, The 1991Kings of the Road Wim Wenders 1976Knick Seasont, The  2 Episode 6 2015La Cite de la Peur 1994Last Action Hero, The 1993Last Man on Earth. The 1964 Vincent Price watches home movies on as yet not identided 16mm, or 8mm, or maybe 9.5 projector.Le Mepris (Contempt) 1963Le ragazze dello swing 2010Lepke 1975Leur Derniere Nuit 1953Luck By Chance 2009Luke's Movie Muddle 1916Mabel's Dramatic Career 1913Magic Box 1963Mahana aka The Patriarch 2016Majestic, The  2001Make Me a Perfect Murder episode Columbo with Patrick O'Neal & Trish Van Devere 1978Man With a Movie Camera. , The 1929Masculin Feminin Goddard 1966Matinee Joe Dante 1993Meatrack, The 1970 A scene in a theater showing ports, with POV from the booth or balconyMidnight Movie 2008Most Terrible Time in my Life, The (Waga jinsei saiaku no toki) 1994Movie Orgy, The 1968Mr. Bean's Holiday 2007Mr. Skeffington 1944Muppet Movie, The 1979My Favorite Year 1982Mystery Science Theater 3000 1988Nancy Drew 2007Nice Guys 2016Nickleodeon 1976Night Of The Comet 1984Omega Man, The 1971Omega Man, The 1971Passion Pit, The 1985Persona 1966Phantom of the Paradise 1974Picture Show Man 1977Popcorn 1991Postman, The 1997 Cool scene of a projection booth on a raft on a lake projecting The Sound of MusicProjectionist, The 1971Projectionist. The Pete and Gladys Episode 1961Quadrophenia 1979Red Light 1950Renoir 2013Ruby 1977Saratoga 1937 Simplex SpShawshank Redemption, The 1994Sherlock Jr. 1924Show Girl in Hollywood 1930Silent Movie 1976Slumdog Millionaire 2006Small Change 1976Smallest Show on Earth 1957Spiral Staircase, The 1946Spirit of the Beehive 1973Sullivan's Travels 1941Sunset Boulevard 1950TARGETS Projectionist gets shot in the head through the port glass 1968Tales of Midnight Madness 1991 Canadian TVThat's Carry On 1977Things to Do In Denver When You're Dead 1995Three Amigos! 1986Tingler, The 1959Too Hot to Handle 1938 Possibly same Simplex Sp as used in Saratoga.Too Late 2015 A projection booth at a drive-in.Twilight Zone # 1 Where's Everybody 1959Twister 1996Two Weeks in Another Town 1962Unknown Brother, The 1982 No projection booth 35mm setup in a hospitalVariety 1983Waking 

Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

[Ed Inman]

FWIW I found these original instructions online: http://etienne.collomb.free.fr/morseg3/morseg3.htmlEd-Original Message-
From: lindsay mcintyre 
Sent: Apr 20, 2018 5:05 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

Hi Rob,In the G3 tank I've used several developers - these numbers are per 100ft of 16mm - if I loaded 150-200 ft on the reel I would increase the times.  2L of each solution at room temp - might need more for 35mm.  Its important to make sure that you are winding emulsion OUT at least half the time.  I've done it many times with other timings as well, based on the temperature of the solution or whether the film was underexposed.  It always seems to work pretty well.D76 for 7222 dev 12 min (usually takes 1 minute to wind from head to tail so 12 winds)wash 6 minrapid fix 6-7 minwash 7 minsD19 for 7363, 7231 and most other B+W stocksdev 5-7 minswash 5 minsrapid fix 5-6 minswash 7 minsBest, Lindsay McIntyreOn Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Rob Gawthrop  wrote:Hi LindsayWhat developer & dilution do you use? I’ve been getting rather poor results and it takes ages.ThanksRobOn 11 Apr 2018, at 18:13, lindsay mcintyre  wrote:Just in defence of the Morse G3 tank, I have several of these and I did all my black and white neg processing in these tanks for many years and always got beautiful results.  They're not as good for reversal processes, particularly if you are using permanganate bleach (even with the little exposure window) but for negative work they are great.  The process involves winding back and forth to achieve even processing and takes longer than say bucket processing, which is what I do now, but the G3 tanks have always worked well for me. I think depending on your developer, it can be about 12 minutes of winding. LindsayOn Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:I'm saying the results will be so uneven that you'll have long sections
that aren't developed at all.  A five-gallon bucket will do garbage can
development of 100 ft of 16mm well enough that, although it'll be severely
uneven, it'll at least be developed all the way through.  Folks used to
do motion analysis films that way.
--scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

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You will also run across the "G-3 Rewind" type tank from time to time but frankly unless you just want to experiment I'd stay away from them. I have never been able to get consistent results using that type of tank. I think the Russian LOMO tanks are a better bet. -Original Message-
From: Kevin T Allen 
Sent: Apr 9, 2018 2:02 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

Hi Frameworkers,I'm looking for some advice of developing tanks for 16mm film. I've processed quite a bit of S8mm rolls using a 2x120 tank and liked the hand-processing artifacts to clean processing ratio, but thinking 100' of 16mm would be too much for this sized tank.Does anyone have a recommendation?I'm thinking of the 3x120 version made by Paterson:https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40339-REG/Paterson_PTP117_Multi_Reel_5_Tank_Super.html?ap=y=1876%2C52934714882%2C%2C=Cj0KCQjwnqzWBRC_ARIsABSMVTM45DbAOA0agp5qnSp96KbnX7_0A_pzfSc6UWlTMtfXR3qRK4bB9FcaAtyxEALw_wcB-OR-The 5x120 version also by Paterson (too much?):https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40340-REG/Paterson_PTP118_Multi_Reel_8_Tank_Super.html?ap=y=1876%2C52934714882%2C%2C=Cj0KCQjwnqzWBRC_ARIsABSMVTOC1Y0dkI8OjXZLTZGrtn-EfxHbCAjA0-xcABHOXwBh5IiOINOhRoUaAol3EALw_wcBThanks in advance!Kevin-- Kevin T. Allen | ke...@smallgauge.orgsmallgauge.org | kevintallen.com


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Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

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There are a bunch of Russian LOMO 16mm tanks on ebay right now starting at around $100. I think they are designed to hold two lengths of 15m or about 50 feet at a time when developing so you then have to splice the two parts together of a 100' spool after processing for projection. These are probably your best bet. Once in a blue moon you will also see the large steel 100 foot slot type developing reels for sale from the 1940s. These work well too but you have to always remember to insert the unprocessed film emulsion side out. -Original Message-
From: Kevin T Allen 
Sent: Apr 9, 2018 2:02 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

Hi Frameworkers,I'm looking for some advice of developing tanks for 16mm film. I've processed quite a bit of S8mm rolls using a 2x120 tank and liked the hand-processing artifacts to clean processing ratio, but thinking 100' of 16mm would be too much for this sized tank.Does anyone have a recommendation?I'm thinking of the 3x120 version made by Paterson:https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40339-REG/Paterson_PTP117_Multi_Reel_5_Tank_Super.html?ap=y=1876%2C52934714882%2C%2C=Cj0KCQjwnqzWBRC_ARIsABSMVTM45DbAOA0agp5qnSp96KbnX7_0A_pzfSc6UWlTMtfXR3qRK4bB9FcaAtyxEALw_wcB-OR-The 5x120 version also by Paterson (too much?):https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40340-REG/Paterson_PTP118_Multi_Reel_8_Tank_Super.html?ap=y=1876%2C52934714882%2C%2C=Cj0KCQjwnqzWBRC_ARIsABSMVTOC1Y0dkI8OjXZLTZGrtn-EfxHbCAjA0-xcABHOXwBh5IiOINOhRoUaAol3EALw_wcBThanks in advance!Kevin-- Kevin T. Allen | ke...@smallgauge.orgsmallgauge.org | kevintallen.com


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Re: [Frameworks] Potassium Dichromate -urgent! :)

[Ed Inman]

You might try https://www.chemsavers.com/ from Virginia.  They also sell on ebay. As for acid you can also buy battery acid from an auto parts store which is about 35 percent sulfuric. Ed-Original Message-
From: Margaret Rorison 
Sent: Oct 14, 2017 2:49 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] Potassium Dichromate -urgent! :)

Hi Friends, I need to purchase more potassium dichromate and sulfuric acid to make reversal bleach and am wondering if there is another vendor where I can purchase these items so that they will arrive by Wednesday. I am worried it is cutting it a bit too close to purchase from Photographer's Formulary. Anyone have some they can ship me this weekend or know of a place on the east coast? thank you!---http://margaretrorison.com/http://sightunseenbaltimore.com/


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Re: [Frameworks] Processing black and white reversal

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Ilford publishes a B/W reversal formula here: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/20061291034093.pdfThe bleach may be too strong for some emulsions in which case you might try using only half as much potassium permanganate.Ed
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Re: [Frameworks] Double Perf film stock

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Foma still appears to make double perf 16mm film.  https://fomafoto.com/index.php/shop/b-w-film/cine-film/fomapan-100r-16mm-30-5m-double-perforated-detail-Original Message-
From: Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
Sent: Jun 18, 2016 3:49 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] Double Perf film stock

Hello everyone, Does anyone have some black and white double perf 16mm that they would like to sell? If not, are there any places alongside ORWO that sell double perf 16mm? Thanks-Morgan 
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Re: [Frameworks] Black Leader

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Anybody can make black leader, Just take b/w raw stock, expose to light, unwind into a bucket of b/w developer, wash with water, hang up to dry on a clothes line. Easy-peasy. Ed-Original Message-
From: Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza 
Sent: Mar 9, 2016 5:07 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Black Leader




I believe Niagara Custom Lab in Toronto can make black leader. 		 	   		  

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Re: [Frameworks] projector skips and new lamps for old projectors

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EMM/EKS lamps are all over ebay quite cheap compared to other AV lamps.
As for splices you might try redoing any that are causing problems. Use a good 
splicer--it is nearly impossible to get the tape and sprocket holes aligned 
perfectly by hand. With 16mm you can usually get by with splicing tape on the 
base side only, but others would say it is better to tape both sides. 
Ed


-Original Message-
>From: Floris Vanhoof <2206...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 16, 2016 2:37 PM
>To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>Subject: [Frameworks] projector skips and new lamps for old projectors
>
>Dear, 
>
>When I project my 16 films on my Bell & Howell TQ3 projector , sometimes, with 
>starting the projector or when a splice passes the gate, the image starts to 
>skip (or "jump").
>Does anyone know this phenomenon and what to do about it?
>Often, during projection, I'm on the other side of the room, playing the live 
>soundtrack, so avoiding skips is a must.
>
>
>Also: 
>What would be the least expensive source for EMM 24V 250W lamps?
>I'm in Europe, though cheap lamps can come from everywhere.
>
>And are there (cooler, brighter) LED alternatives for these lamps?
>EMM 24V 250W
>ELC 24V 250W
>EHJ 24V 250W
>Or more in general: is anyone installing LED in old projectors already? 
>I've got no experience with bright LED's and LED drivers, but it sounds like 
>the future to me!
>
>
>See you next weeks in:
>Cable festival, Nantes http://www.cablenantes.org/site/
>Mire, Nantes http://www.mire-exp.org/
>In L'Etna, Paris https://www.facebook.com/events/463830307140505/
>At Kraak festival, Brussels http://kraak.net/festival2016/
>
>Best, Floris
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Re: [Frameworks] Problem with projector's lamp

[Ed Inman]

The first thing I would do is check for direct current voltage at the lamp terminals with a multi-tester.According to an online manual the proper lamp is a 250 watt 24-volt ELC. A 200-watt 24-volt ELJ may alternately be used with less output. With the lamp switch ON you should be getting about 22 VDC in the low position and 24 VDC in the high position.If the current is present, the problem is with the lamps. If no current there is a bad connection or a problem with the power transformer. Ed-Original Message-
From: Esperanza Collado 
Sent: Jan 9, 2016 12:08 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Problem with projector's lamp

Dear Frameworkers, Im about to present a projector's performance and one of the projector's lamps stopped working. I checked fuses, which are fine and i replaced the lamp three times but the light wont appear. Optical lamp works as well as everything else. Any idea what could it be? It is an Eiki SL-2. Hopefully someone can help! Thank you,Esperanza-- Esperanza Collado- - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.esperanzacollado.org

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Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: New Kodak Super 8 movie camera

[Ed Inman]

Interesting that the camera has a microphone that presumably will be synchronized with the picture in the digital file. I'm just wondering how they will accomplish that.Will the camera print a time code on the film sort of like the DTS cinema system?Will there be new projectors that can project the actual film with the sound synchronized on a CD-ROM?That would really be something--especially if the track could be digitally edited, with music or effects added and still remain synchronized.I have a French-dubbed 35mm movie that I am able to play back in English using the DTS discs. I'd love to see something like that for 16mm as well.Ed-Original Message-
From: Heikki Repo 
Sent: Jan 8, 2016 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: New Kodak Super 8 movie camera

"Customer's will
take delivery of said digital scan via the internet and Kodak will
ship the original S8 negative with a S8 print. That is not a typo and
we are are attempting to officially confirm the print delivery."Hi Nicholas, where was the S8 print mentioned? I have been trying to find some online source, but haven't found one yet. Super-8 prints are awesome :) I have shot my home movies on Kodak Vision films and made workprints of them @ Andec in Germany. If Kodak were to offer this service to everyone it could eventually lead to a renaissance of film prints.Heikki

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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pink

[Ed Inman]

Eastman LPP color prints from 1983 forward have generally held good color, though I've seen a few go to vinegar (which I suspect often has much to do with poor processing).The cyan or blues typically fade first in the older Eastman stocks and in many cases the yellow, magenta, and overall contrast will hold up for many years longer. But I've also seen SP prints fade mostly to brown and Fuji prints fade mostly to purple. At least one 16mm print I have has faded almost entirely to yellow and is almost invisible on the screen unless projected through a violet filter.Some more general information is here:http://www.paulivester.com/films/filmstock/guide.htmEd-Original Message-
From: Robert Withers 
I wonder how Kodak color prints and negatives of today will behave? Were they improved after the 70's?
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Re: [Frameworks] Seeking source for this quote:

[Ed Inman]

A google search attributes it toPaul Auster.The Book of Illusions, a novel. New York: Picador, 2002. p. 14. http://3stages.org/c/gq.cgi?first=QAMOVIES-Original Message-
From: Francisco Torres 
Sent: Mar 28, 2015 1:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Seeking source for this quote:

I bet it was not Andre Bazin ;)2015-03-28 14:21 GMT-04:00 Ken Paul Rosenthal kenpaulrosent...@hotmail.com:


“The closer movies
  come to representing reality, the worse they fail at representing
  the world.”I think it's by Alexander Kluge, but not certain.Thanks! Kenwww.kenpaulrosenthal.comwww.whisperrapture.comwww.maddancementalhealthfilmtrilogy.com 		 	   		  
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Re: [Frameworks] 1970s Network television archives

[Ed Inman]

That museum is now called The Paley Center for Media. 
http://www.paleycenter.org/

Ed

-Original Message-
From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com
Sent: Jan 3, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 1970s Network television archives

The Museum of Television and Broadcasting in New York has all these archives.
You can walk in and view them on a monitor (the next time you are in 
New York of course).



At 11:55 -0500 3/01/15, Adam R. Levine wrote:
I am trying to find some episodes of NBC and K-ABC shows from the 
1970s and wondering if the Frameworks hivemind may have any advice 
on resources for this.

The shows in question are the Dinah Shore Show and an original 
seven-part series featuring K-ABC news anchor Christine Lund.
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodak pageant bulb replacement- help!

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Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film

[Ed Inman]

John, if by "mainstream" you mean new release major studio films available for rent on 16mm you could still get about everything in the 90s but things fell off very rapidly after 2000, and by 2006 it was really the end of the road. The last one to be released on 16mm as best as I can tell was "Cars" the animated Disney feature from 2006.Here is the last list of 16mm titles ever available from Swank Motion Pictures: https://web.archive.org/web/20071109223539/http://www.swank.com/college/16mmrelease.html  It's worth noting that in the 90s besides Swank and Criterion (which represented the big studios) a lot of indy distributors also offered their films in 16mm. Some included October Films, Samuel Goldwyn, New Yorker, etc. I've often wondered what happened to all those prints. --Ed-Original Message-
From: 40 Frames 
Sent: Jul 20, 2014 5:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film

On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John Woods  wrote: Alain, while I'm primarily interested in experimental or artists films, I'd open up to mainstream films too. I'm more broadly interested in the state of 16mm film as an exhibition format and not necessarily experimental. If Spielberg decided to distribute his latest on 16mm, then that would count. I guess I'm biased in my thinking that a 16mm print nowadays is an indulgence for the creator and few mainstream filmmakers are going to convince their distributor to pick up the bill for the print.
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Re: [Frameworks] 35mm slides from digital files

[Ed Inman]

Yes you can shoot B/W slides directly off a flat computer screen with good results. A medium speed film such as Ilford FP4 will offer the most pleasing contrast. Processing instructions are here:http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/20061291034093.pdf  You can find any of the needed chemicals athttp://stores.photoformulary.com/ or, for the most part (usually at lower cost), on ebay. Or, if you really don't want to fool with the processing yourself, you can send the film tohttp://www.dr5.com/-Original Message-
From: Pablo de Ocampo 
Sent: Mar 4, 2014 2:35 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] 35mm slides from digital files

Hey frameworks, this isn't exactly motion picture film related, but as it has to do with analog celluloid film production i thought maybe the frameworks hive mind might offer up some direction:I'm looking to produce a set of 35mm slides from digital files. the images are all black and white, and thus, should be printed onto black and white film stock, and not on to ektachrome or some of color reversal process. quote a few labs I've talked to can do color slides, but most seem to think black and white reversal film doesn't exist. Anyone?--Pablo de Ocampo, Artistic DirectorTHE IMAGES FESTIVAL448-401 Richmond Street WestToronto, Ontario  M5V 3A8  CANADA+1 (416) 971 8405 telephone27th EDITION!! April 10-19, 2014www.imagesfestival.com
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Re: [Frameworks] 35mm projection in Baltimore?

[Ed Inman]

Maybe John Hopkins University?-Original Message-
From: David Dvorchak 
Sent: Nov 18, 2013 12:04 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] 35mm projection in Baltimore?

Trying to help out a friend who attempting to book Crispin Glover inBaltimore, MD. 35mm projection is necessary. He's not having any luck, sofar:*"The Charles and the Senator both passed on it, MICA is booked, noresponse from the Rotunda as of yet, and Creative Alliance no longer has aworking 35mm projector..." *Any hot tips would be appreciated!-- Dave DvorchakAS220 Communications Directorda...@as220.org(401) 831-9327 x121
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Re: [Frameworks] 35mm hand crank projector

[Ed Inman]

Here's a Super Simplex projector head for sale that still has the handle shaft installed.http://www.msusurplusstore.com/servlet/Detail?no=6780 If you look at the video you will see a photo the handle shaft directly under the glass window painted "Super Simplex" at the 50-second mark. Assuming the projector head is serviceable, you would just have to mount it on a stand with a lamphouse, attach a handle to the shaft  start turning. You can probably remove the RCA soundhead and run the take-up reel from a belt directly off the picture head if you are projecting silent (which would probably make it easier to crank). I'm not sure I'd want to pay $650 for equipment this old untested but they might make a deal. I have a 1936 Super Simplex that still runs like a top. Just before you buy one make sure it still has the handle shaft--many were removed (or perhaps never installed) as most were motorized by the 1930s. And finding a spare handle shaft may be far more difficult than finding a whole projector head with one already installed.  --Ed-Original Message-
From: Philippe Leonard 
Sent: Oct 6, 2013 10:16 AM
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Subject: [Frameworks] 35mm hand crank projector

Dear omniscient listserv,I will be doing a workshop in Boston (from Oct 9-22) and make a film thatwill (ideally) requires a hand cranked 35mm projector for the finalscreening scheduled for the 22nd at the Goethe Institute. Any leads on filmresources, darkroom, lab, film enthusiasts and such would be greatlyappreciated as I'm always looking forward to meet fellow filmmakers. I amcurrently attending Views and if some of you holding answers to myquestions are here too let me know, we could meet up today!Looking forward to hear from you,Phil
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Re: [Frameworks] the fate of Em Gee...

[Ed Inman]

Em Gee's owner Murray Glass has a facebook page:https://www.facebook.com/murray.glass.9/friends Mr. Glass would now be approximately 89 years old and it is unclear whether the facebook page is active, though several people on his friends list are distinguished educators and film archivists who may know something. There are also these links of interest:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkno0f4Pupohttp://emgee.freeyellow.com/http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan/11/entertainment/et-king11-Original Message-
From: Steve Polta 
Sent: Aug 25, 2013 2:29 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] the fate of Em Gee...

Hi. I certainly don't have any knowledge but I'm hereby seconding RogerBeebe's inquiry as to the resolution and disposition of the lauded andmysterious Em Gee Film Library. I assume that the guy just retired orfinally decided to shut the business down but very curious to hear anyanecdotes or learn the fate of the collection. Any leads...Steve Polta
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[Frameworks] 99 cent projector

[Ed Inman]

Somebody needs to go save this baby from the scrapper. http://www.ebay.com/itm/35-MM-Strong-Super-Lume-X-Projector-/161090636982
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Re: [Frameworks] Reversal as Negative Hand-Processing?

[Ed Inman]

The official ORWO instructions for negative processing call for D-96, the formula of which is published here:http://www.filmotec.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/V-I-VV-1182-e.pdf However, common D-76 available for purchase prepackaged would be generally suitable along with a standard hardening fixer. A Caffenol developer might work as well, but you would have to experiment first. --Ed-Original Message-
From: Insa Langhorst 
Sent: Aug 1, 2013 4:56 AM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Reversal as Negative Hand-Processing?

Hi,I just ordered some Standard 8 B/W reversal 100ASA ORWO UN54 film and would like to hand-process it at home. Does anyone know if it´s possible to develop it as a negative? And would it be possible to use the Caffenol dev that has been discussed here a few weeks ago? Or else, how would I go about developing it as a reversal at home?Thank you,Insafilmmaker and editorinsa.langho...@gmail.comm: (0044) (0)7789 38 22 84www.insalanghorst.com
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Re: [Frameworks] Feet of 16mm film

[Ed Inman]

720 feet at 24 frames per second. Handy calculator here:http://www.alphacine.com/resources/conversion.php Ed-Original Message-
From: Matt Helme 
Sent: Jun 24, 2013 10:33 AM
To: "frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com" 
Subject: [Frameworks] Feet of 16mm film

Hi Guy'sI am just wondering how many feet are in a 20Min reel of 16MM film? Thanks.Matthttp://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007
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Re: [Frameworks] 3M 35mm Splice Tape

[Ed Inman]

I don't think the 3M tape is made anymore. The 305 tape isn't the best, but it generally responds pretty well to heat. You may want to try getting a tack iron or something similar to press down the tape splice (just enough heat to "cure" the tape--not too much to burn the film). It also may help to clean the film splice areas with alcohol before taping to remove any oily residue. Using those two steps the 305 tape should stick OK. good luck, Ed-Original Message-
From: Adam Paradis 
Sent: Jun 10, 2013 1:56 PM
To: "FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com" 
Subject: [Frameworks] 3M 35mm Splice Tape

Hi All,I am in search of clear, perforated 35mm splice tape for a specific reason and need specific results. I have used the 305 tape but the adhesive seems to not stick so well and the splices pull apart. In the past I used the 3M perforated tape that would stick great and never pull apart. I see tape listed as "Acrometal" 35mm perforated tape, but know nothing about it.I'm curious if anybody has a roll of the older 3M tape around they would be willing to sell me, or know anything about the Acrometal tape. Thanks, and CheersAdam
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Re: [Frameworks] Footage equivalency

[Ed Inman]

A 36-exposure roll of 35mm still film is about 5 feet long. If you equate that roughly as equal to 11 feet of 16mm film, a 100-foot roll of 16mm is similar in overall size to 9 rolls of 36-exposure 35mm.-Original Message-
From: J Vent 
Sent: Apr 28, 2013 1:19 PM
To: Frameworks 
Subject: [Frameworks] Footage equivalency

Good morning - I have a Morse, well a Fairchild crank tank processor and aLomo processor tank, I'm going to be processing with Arista E-6 in it, thechem usage/re-useage specs are for 36 exp 35mm film. Anyone have a clueabout how many feet are in a 36 exp roll of 35 mm film?Directions say I can run 4 rolls in a pint of juice (x3 parts), 8 rolls ina quart.I'm trying to sort out how many feet of 7285 I can run in a given amount ofchemistry.I guess I could run several 1 foot pieces in a scaled down amount of E-6sauce until it breaks down but thought some one out there might have theanswer and spare me that step.Thanks,JV
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Re: [Frameworks] Footage equivalency

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In terms of area, by my calculations, 5 feet of 35mm film equals 53340 square mm and 11 ft. of 16mm equals 53645 square mm which is pretty close. This is not an exact science, though, because it does not figure in the relative larger size of the 35mm sprocket holes to the smaller 16mm ones. Figuring that in, I'd estimate the actual conversion would probably be closer to 10.5 feet of 16mm, but to get really scientific you'd have to factor in the exact hole sizes, determine whether the 16mm is perforated 1 or 2 sides, etc. Regardless, I think if JV's instructions claim he can process eight 36 exposure rolls of 35mm film in a quart of his solution, he can be reasonably certain it's safe to process 100 feet of 16mm in the same. The bigger question to me is whether a suitable tank for 100 feet would require such little chemistry. I would be skeptical of trying to process E6 in a "rewind" tank and the large spiral reel tanks I use for 16mm require closer to a gallon of chemistry. But maybe that's why they call this the "experimental" film group. Might as well try it--good luck. --Ed-Original Message-
From: "Beebe, Roger" <roge...@ufl.edu>
Sent: Apr 28, 2013 2:53 PM
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I just woke up from a nap, so maybe my brain isn't working correctly, but shouldn't we be talking about AREA rather than length?  That is, a 35mm frame is roughly 4x the area of a 16mm frame, so it requires 4x as much chemistry, not the roughly 2x suggested by the math below.  So if 5 feet of 35mm equals about 20 feet of 16mm, then 100 ft.=5 rolls of 36-exposure 35mm film.Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, but that's how I've always done the math.R.On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Ed Inman wrote:A 36-exposure roll of 35mm still film is about 5 feet long. If you equate that roughly as equal to 11 feet of 16mm film, a 100-foot roll of 16mm is similar in overall size to 9 rolls of 36-exposure 35mm.-Original Message-From: J VentSent: Apr 28, 2013 1:19 PMTo: FrameworksSubject: [Frameworks] Footage equivalencyGood morning - I have a Morse, well a Fairchild crank tank processor and aLomo processor tank, I'm going to be processing with Arista E-6 in it, thechem usage/re-useage specs are for 36 exp 35mm film. Anyone have a clueabout how many feet are in a 36 exp roll of 35 mm film?Directions say I can run 4 rolls in a pint of juice (x3 parts), 8 rolls ina quart.I'm trying to sort out how many feet of 7285 I can run in a given amount ofchemistry.I guess I could run several 1 foot pieces in a scaled down amount of E-6sauce until it breaks down but thought some one out there might have theanswer and spare me that step.Thanks,JV___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Re: [Frameworks] B+W Reversal Developing

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Ilford offers this:http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/20061291034093.pdf All reversal b/w processing is based on the same idea. The main variables are whether to use permanganate vs. dichromate bleach and/or exposure vs. chemical reversal in the second development. -Original Message-
From: Adam Paradis 
Sent: Apr 9, 2013 9:30 PM
To: "frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com" 
Subject: [Frameworks] B+W Reversal Developing

Hey All,I am looking into doing some reversal developing and have not done so since Kodak stopped making kits. Looking to get some info on the T-Max kits offered by Photographers' Formularyhttp://stores.photoformulary.com/-strse-79/Reversal-For-T-dsh-Max-Slides/Detail.bokI have not found any information relating to processing times specifically for super 8 or 16mm processing. Only for 35mm still film. I am curious if people have used these kits and what their processing times were and how many rolls they might have been able to process with these and still get results before exhausting. Or if people have other suggestions for kits or reversal processing.Cheers and thanks,Adam
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Re: [Frameworks] films featuring projectionists

[Ed Inman]

The Blob, Night of The Comet, and Swap Meet all have scenes inside projection booths. Then there's this Warner animation short called Buddy's Theatre:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYriyl1_iro  --Ed-Original Message-
From: "Pigott, Michael" 
Sent: Jan 7, 2013 8:55 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks]  films featuring projectionists

Hello there,I'm trying to compile a list of films featuring projectionists or projection boothes. So far it feels like there's a lot less that I thought there was, so I wondered if anybody had any suggestions?Thanks in advance,Michael
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Re: [Frameworks] D-19 testing

[Ed Inman]

The Yankee Clipper has a 110 (16mm) setting:http://www.adorama.com/DKTC.htmlOr (better) you can get a stainless steel 110 reel:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Prinz-Stainless-Steel-110-Film-Developing-Reel-In-Original-Box-/150936795419Either one should handle about 33 inches of 16mm film.Ed-Original Message-
From: Kevin Timmins 
Sent: Nov 5, 2012 8:19 AM
To: FrameWorks 
Subject: [Frameworks] D-19 testing





Hi all,I've pretty much got the conventional D-19 process down now (as taken from the darkroom cookbook). Now I feel it's time to experiment a little. I want to shoot one roll of 16mm film with the same subject matter/ lighting/ cam settings etc.. and then take sections of that film (5ft or so at a time) and develop them individually using different D-19 combinations.The problem is I want to develop with very small quantities of D-19. So I want to develop in standard photographic 35mm paterson tanks and not my massive lomos (which requires lots of chemistry). As far as I know there are no small developing tanks to develop 16mm tests. Is there? Does anyone have any information on how or where I could get my hands on such tester tanks to develop very short lengths of film well? Or if possible, how to modify a photographic 35mm developing tank to do some tests in.All the bestKevin 		 	   		  

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Re: [Frameworks] Projector supplies?

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Try Urbanski Film:
http://moviecraft.tripod.com/supplies.htmlEd-Original Message-From: n brynolfson Sent: Jul 25, 2012 5:51 PMTo: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Projector supplies?This place looks like they might have what you need. Too bad I'm atCalArts, I'm pretty sure I have an extra projector for parts backeast. Let me know when you want to come up here and grab the lenses.nOn Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Mariah Garnett wrote: Anyone know where I can pick up some of these? Plastic 16mm spools? Not cores or daylight spools? Tried Christie's and walts camer repair in la... Ideas? Thanks! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Re: [Frameworks] Double 8mm film??

[Ed Inman]

Freestyle has FOMA bw Reversal in regular 8:
http://www.freestylephoto.biz/411801-Foma-Fomapan-R100-BandW-Reversal-Film-2x8mm-Double-8-standard-10?cat_id=407You essentially shoot one side of the 16mm width film, then turn it over  shoot the other side. The film is then reverse processed  slit down the middle with both ends spliced together.Some projectors are designed to run either regular or Super 8; most are dedicated to one or the other, however, as the formats use different sprockets.Ed-Original Message-
From: Margaret Rorison 
Sent: Jun 9, 2012 3:39 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] Double 8mm film??

I shoot 16mm, but I recently have acquired an old Argus Cinemax 8EE movie camera, which takes standard double 8mm film.I had a few questions:Where can I find this film?
Where can I process this film?Are the projectors used to screen the film different than super 8mm?thanks!Meg-- 
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Re: [Frameworks] None Hardening Fixer to use with D-19

[Ed Inman]

I agree. If negative processing, you can use non hardening fixer but the emulsion will be more prone to scratches.If you are reverse processing the only reason to even use fixer at the final stage is for hardener. A non-hardening fixer or plain hypo solution would serve no useful purpose--might as well just rinse it in water.Ed.-Original Message-
From: Jason Halprin 
Sent: Feb 16, 2012 12:45 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] None Hardening Fixer to use with D-19

Why were you told to use non-hardening fixer? I'd only use it if I was going to be toning, tinting, or scratching the film later. If none of these are part of your plans, just use fixer w/ hardener.Almost all fixers use ammonium thiosulfate and just vary according to potency, and therefore how long the film should be in contact with the chemistry. The developer will affect how the image looks, the fixer is just removing the unexposed silver halide, and if used correctly, won't have an affect on the qualities of your image.-Jason HalprinFrom: Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com To: FrameWorks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: [Frameworks] None Hardening Fixer to use with D-19   




Just purchasing some chemicals to make D-19 in order to have a go at processing some of my Tri-X films.I've got to the fixer stage and I've been told any non-hardening fixer will suffice. Are some fixers better to use with D-19 than others and does anyone have any recommendations? There seems to be so many!All the bestKevin 		 	   		  
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Re: [Frameworks] downloading videos from youtube

[Ed Inman]

An up-to-date Real Player will download  convert most YouTube videos.


-Original Message-
From: lj frezza ljfre...@gmail.com
Sent: Jan 2, 2012 7:59 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, 
Experimental Film Discussion List framewo...@listserv.aol.com
Subject: [Frameworks] downloading videos from youtube

hey everyone,
i'm working on a video and part of the concept is that it's
constructed from footage sourced from youtube. the browser-based
downloader i've been using doesn't seem to be available anymore, and
i'm wondering if anyone on here has any recommendations.
thanks
-lj

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Re: [Frameworks] Single 8 processing

[Ed Inman]

Any lab that can process 16mm can process standard 8mm. Just get a 16mm to 8mm film slitter  slice the two ends together when you get it back:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Al-Spoil-film-slitter-cut-any-film-down-any-size-/160703420942Ed-Original Message-
From: Pablo Marin 
Sent: Dec 22, 2011 8:00 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Single 8 processing

ThanksTarık,Ekrem,their website only list Super 8, but I will check it out.I also heard that Labor Berlin handprocess Fuji Single 8... but I'm trying to find some place more professional/industrial (if any).best,pablo.--- On Thu, 12/22/11, Tarık Aktaş trq1...@gmail.com wrote:From: Tarık Aktaş trq1...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [Frameworks] Single 8 processingTo: "Experimental Film Discussion List" frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.comDate: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 11:48 AMHi Pablo,I hope that will
 help.PS : Maksat arkadaşın işi görülsün :)22 Aralık 2011 14:14 tarihinde Ekrem Serdar ekremser...@gmail.com yazdı:
Hey Tarık (and all)The Noyans send their films off to Andec, and I'm pretty sure they focus on Super 8. Though they certainly are the folk for the latter if you're in the area,

Hörmetlerimle :)--ekrem serdaraustin, txOn Dec 22, 2011, at 12:47 PM, "Tarık Aktaş" trq1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Pablo,I don't know if they are still in the business. But the website is on so you might check.Yes, its in Istanbul Turkey.http://www.noyan-noyan.com/Hizmetler.html


Nive daytarik2011/12/21 Pablo Marin pamari...@yahoo.com


Hey,an old question returns: is there any other place to process Fuji Single 8 than Retro Enterprises (Japan)?


I´m interested in knowing if Fuji Japan still process this format. any leads?best to all,pablo(buenos aires)


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