Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-19 Thread Diego Schulz
Excuse me, this thread was about..? I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far (that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed. I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well; but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far (that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed. I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well; but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The remarkable thing is that almost all

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-18 Thread Todor Dragnev
On 01.06.2009, at 18:48, Wojciech Puchar wrote: every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar
finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. Hey, Puchar, good flame at all, but after reading all of these emails I decided and make a donation. Do you ? :) Is someone else ready for this ? Today i sent some hardware to 2

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-03 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:48:29PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-03 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:15 I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing at your hypocritical observation here. The whole reason this tangled mess of threads even exists is because you were aggressive in your own response to the potential donor. That's all I have to say. The

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-03 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/02/09 18:01 Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with every potential new user. I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pleasant tone

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar
donor==real spammer. I don't see why I should accept that order. You have no supporters of your rude and outlandish behavior, and you get worse with each all your opinions criticism. You do not represent FreeBSD, the FreeBSD foundation, or the freebsd-questions mailing list. You can have

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 01:08:30AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: I still cannot understand why you - an active, experienced and knowledgeable FBSD user - would want to scare off potential donors for the once again please reread that post. it wasn't even potential donor, but potential

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little more, get their link and help the project as a whole. That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised. Missed opportunity. sure not.

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Giessel
On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 07:23AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little more, get their link and help the project as a whole. That's

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I can't resist. The lack of math is killing me: ONE zero. ONE (1) ONE zero. 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed for a link). $417/month = $5004/year.

Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Kevin Monceaux
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: $417/month = $5004/year. You believe he will pay for 4 years? This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to

RE: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Gary Gatten
-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Monceaux Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote

Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that

Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:01 -0500 Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away, so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating threads. That quote though is some funny $hit! I'm gonna print it out on a

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I can't resist.  The lack of math is killing me: ONE zero.  ONE (1) ONE zero. 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
You believe he will pay for 4 years? No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. just added option to pay by instalments ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Giessel
On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 12:44PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: You believe he will pay for 4 years? No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. just added option to pay by instalments The

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
just added option to pay by instalments The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. You repeatedly said that he would need to add two zeros. Adding two zeros would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. Yes - i

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
... Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will decide. We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line where you said that you were not an owner. this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed - completely changes a

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: ... Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors (potential, not potential) by writing a post on public mailing list? Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they don't want to be a part of

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:20:23PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: just added option to pay by instalments The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. You repeatedly said that he would need to add two

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users. If someone needs good

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:03:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: ... Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will decide. We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line where you said that you were not an owner. this way - nobody should

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:34:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? I don't talk

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed - completely changes a sense of sentence. I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. It's just explanation. You can't write anything that will be absolutely resistible to misreading. If second - then

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you. Also, I don't think that an artificial

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-01 Thread cpghost
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:36:18PM +0200, Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH wrote: Dear FreeBSD Team, We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close connection to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful Open Source projects that help us in our daily work and/or

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar
every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. finally

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
anyway, i reread the original sponsoring offer and i think i understand well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is still waiting :) I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT directed to you. did you really read my sentence. I TOO

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
could only do this, or stop being moderator. If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. I read what you posted carefully. I'm asking you to

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:16 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what so look back, as there wasn't. I think you just followed trend to criticize my just because, while you didn't start it.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what so look back, as there wasn't. I think you just

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: anyway, i reread the original sponsoring offer and i think i understand well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is still waiting :) I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Actually he said: QUOTE href=http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/12268152.html What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website. so if you believe it means that he will be happy with being on

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: Actually he said: QUOTE href=http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/12268152.html What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website.

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
it's UNMODERATED mailing list, so i can share my opinion. And you are really the last person i care about when presenting my opinion. So are you going to answer my question? Why did you answer his question? already did. ___

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Paul Schmehl
Would all the children fighting in this thread please go suck your binkies and leave the list alone. This has gone on for far too long, has worn out any entertainment value it ever had and is clearly sucking up valuable bandwidth. And yes, I'm well aware you'll feel compelled to respond, so

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in every browser. Actually

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:44:29PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient'

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:12:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Neal Hogan
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Gary Gatten
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: exactly does. i just don't catch

Re: www.freebsd.org problems (was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Fabian Keil
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems,

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
OMFG Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!! How much do I have to pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever? no way, but please think about financing, or even better gathering few people and convincing core team for setting up official MODERATED

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame war. . . . will not get any success without people like Chris Rees and few others. Actually - starting it was not my plan at all.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that appears to ridicule

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:47:04PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select SOCKS v5 Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost and browse

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select SOCKS v5 Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. well - same here. If you like to see just

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. vtun could be useful for you, and it's much more straightforward method for tunneling ANY IP traffic.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk
Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? I'm pretty happy as it is, except for this thread. -- Frederique ___

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. it's not that much work. The traffic won't be high

Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH
Dear FreeBSD Team, We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close connection to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful Open Source projects that help us in our daily work and/or are great contributions to the OS world as such. Therefore we have also picked

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be unreadable completely as there will be

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: 1.         Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. if they would mention companies for 50$ then

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe,

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi there, as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. But the email was not addressed to you, nor was it asking your opinion. Or do you consider yourself a

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially scare off a sponsor? never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in your opinion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... Of course - ban it! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. ___

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Glen Barber
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote something useless, again...: Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially scare off a sponsor? never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in your opinion.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Fabian Keil
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in every browser. Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations:

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Gary Gatten
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Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... Of course - ban it! One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering hosting but every time someone

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you owned this

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to either learn or help

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly stop replying defending your actions, or even

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Neal Hogan
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. How many opinions do you need before you start taking this seriously? rather - from whom, now how. quality, not

Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Glen Barber
This is enough. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
You are then told that your reply was unnecessary and unwarranted, then you continue to post snide remarks and taunt those telling you that you are wrong. Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be unsubscribing from this list. PLEASE NO! I like your posts :)

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Gary Gatten
owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Cc: Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru; Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH kian.go...@aoemedia.de; questi...@freebsd.org questi...@freebsd.org Sent: Wed May 27 10:59:38 2009 Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD 2009/5/27 Wojciech

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 11:44:03 am Glen Barber wrote: Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be unsubscribing from this list. Don't. He's hardly the only PITA in support mailing lists. Just add him to your killfile and move on. -- Kirk Strauser

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be unsubscribing from this list. Glen - please don't. I have never met so many supportive people as on this list. I do hope Wojtek will just stop doing this but even if he doesn't, we should not let such people determine the quality of this

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website. Beg pardon, my mistake, thought he was the guy from the Foundation. Still, he's a developer. Are you? no i'm not. but you don't answer my

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be unsubscribing from this list. Glen - please don't. Me too! Don't unsubscribe :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Glen Barber wrote: just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. please post more :) You continuously do this. You post responses to posts that (as previously stated) scare off users and, in this case, a potential sponsor. You are then told

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be unsubscribing from this list. Glen: Please don't! I agree. And Wojciech, is there any way we can convince you to show a more positive attitude to the people on this list? it is positive. actually very positive :) While being

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
While being attacked for almost EVERY my opinion just because is not mainstream, or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing them

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Kevin Monceaux
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:44:28PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website. What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Knipe
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: 27 May 2009 05:57 PM To: Zbigniew Szalbot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; utis...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
mainstream, or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing reread my posts. i didn't speak for them and i said that i'm not them. i AS

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Neal Hogan
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD.  Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD

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