Excuse me, this thread was about..?
I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far
(that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed.
I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well;
but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The
I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far
(that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed.
I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well;
but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The
remarkable thing is that almost all
On 01.06.2009, at 18:48, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at
http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml
As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how
small the amount. They'll display a link for donations
of $5,000 or more, and a
finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes
to 50-100$ to get good advert.
Hey, Puchar, good flame at all, but after reading all of these emails I
decided and make a donation. Do you ? :) Is someone else ready for this ?
Today i sent some hardware to 2
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:48:29PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed:
every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at
http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml
As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how
small the amount. They'll display a link for donations
of
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:36:18PM +0200, Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH wrote:
Dear FreeBSD Team,
We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close
connection to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful
Open Source projects that help us in our daily work and/or
every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at
http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml
As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how
small the amount. They'll display a link for donations
of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000
or more.
finally
could only do this, or stop being moderator.
If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete
post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed.
moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it.
I read what you posted carefully. I'm asking you to
FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone,
unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually
just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a
mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc.
Boris did the
On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:16 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of
anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense.
We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate
Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was*
anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what
so look back, as there wasn't.
I think you just followed trend to criticize my just because, while you
didn't start it.
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there
*was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong
with what
so look back, as there wasn't.
I think you just
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone,
unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually
just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote:
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website
current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in
every browser.
Actually
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:44:29PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote:
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT
an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes
an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient'
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it
because of forum - still read and posts here.
None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about.
Whether someone is
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:12:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Of course - ban it!
Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it
because of forum - still read and posts here.
None of your
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
exactly does. i just don't catch
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone,
unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually
just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a
mailing
Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539
My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an
SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are
FreeBSD systems,
OMFG Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!! How much do I have to
pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever?
no way, but please think about financing, or even better gathering few
people and convincing core team for setting up official MODERATED
Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then?
Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame
war. . . .
will not get any success without people like Chris Rees and few others.
Actually - starting it was not my plan at all.
1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what
we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the
questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and
criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that
appears to ridicule
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:47:04PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539
My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an
SSH proxy (even though
set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1
set Port: 8080
select SOCKS v5
Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page
and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab.
well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then
ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost
and browse
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1
set Port: 8080
select SOCKS v5
Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page
and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab.
well - same here. If you like to see just
and browse http://localhost:8000
it certainly work ;)
I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public
network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org.
vtun could be useful for you, and it's much more straightforward method
for tunneling ANY IP traffic.
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived.
I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all?
I'm pretty happy as it is, except for this thread.
-- Frederique
___
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived.
I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all?
Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules.
FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived.
I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all?
Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules.
FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do
is their decision.
Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the
system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list.
it's not that much work. The traffic won't be high
1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD
add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be
unreadable completely as there will be
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD
add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
if they would mention companies for 50$ then
Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him.
as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way.
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To unsubscribe,
Hi there,
as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way.
Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a
good thing after all...
--
Zbigniew Szalbot
www.fairtrade.net.pl
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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him.
as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way.
But the email was not addressed to you, nor was it asking your
opinion. Or do you consider yourself a
On Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote:
1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD
add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
No, any financial contributions are welcome.
Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially
scare off a sponsor?
never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in
your opinion.
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as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way.
Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a
good thing after all...
Of course - ban it!
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add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
No, any financial contributions are welcome.
they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference.
___
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote something useless, again...:
Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially
scare off a sponsor?
never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in your
opinion.
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website
current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in
every browser.
Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations:
snip
As humorous and entertaining as this witty banter is, can we k!ll it now
- at least from the global list? Please feel free to banter amongst
yourselves privately and cc me for my amusement!
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Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such
a
good thing after all...
Of course - ban it!
One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing
that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering
hosting but every time someone
One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing
that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering
hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to
either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you
owned this
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing
that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering
hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to
either learn or help
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
No, any financial contributions are welcome.
they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the
It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT
an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes
an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation.
You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly
stop replying defending your actions, or even
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT
an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes
an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation.
You were just plain
stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were
wrong and apologise.
just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU
DECIDED SO.
How many opinions do you need before you start taking this seriously?
rather - from whom, now how. quality, not
No, any financial contributions are welcome.
they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference.
Do you know who Boris is?
checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer.
but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and
improving website.
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT
an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes
an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation.
You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should
owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
To: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
Cc: Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru; Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH
kian.go...@aoemedia.de; questi...@freebsd.org questi...@freebsd.org
Sent: Wed May 27 10:59:38 2009
Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
2009/5/27 Wojciech
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
No, any financial contributions are welcome.
they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference.
Do you know who Boris is?
checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer.
but how does it compare to what
checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer.
but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and
improving website.
Beg pardon, my mistake, thought he was the guy from the Foundation.
Still, he's a developer. Are you?
no i'm not. but you don't answer my
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:44:28PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Do you know who Boris is?
checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer.
but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage
and improving website.
What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar
Sent: 27 May 2009 05:57 PM
To: Zbigniew Szalbot
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; utis...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep
Of course - ban it!
Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I
no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns
If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;)
This means that OS functionality is not important for
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Of course - ban it!
Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why
I
no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns
If you stopped using FreeBSD
no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns
If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;)
This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all!
Well, that certainly doesn't follow.
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it
because of forum - still read and posts here.
None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about.
Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is
irrelevant to most (and probably to all)
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it
because of forum - still read and posts here.
None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about.
Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists
turns
If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;)
This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all!
Well, that certainly doesn't follow.
exactly does. i just
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200
Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote:
Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I
no longer use FreeBSD.
i really don't understand this.
it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on
the os?
--
In friendship,
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it
because of forum - still read and posts here.
None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about.
Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is
irrelevant to most
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes:
1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD
(restore a quote Wojciech deletted intentionally)
add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be
interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so.
No,
On 27/05/09 12:40 -0700, prad wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200
Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote:
Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I
no longer use FreeBSD.
i really don't understand this.
it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200
Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote:
If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you
have a mature OS...
i think it is a good idea for people to act maturely on forums
otherwise we stop communicating and start screammunicating.
thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many
threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little
thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS.
no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you will always find
part of forum users
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many
threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest
little thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS.
no matter what you think and what
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:20:15 +0100
Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD
fundation and contributors.
But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD
fundation and contributors.
But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it
in a different way.
of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated
Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation
and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example
that:
But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
I'm very sorry
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Of course - ban it!
Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why
I
no longer use FreeBSD. Just about
] On Behalf Of Wojciech
Puchar
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:06 PM
To: utis...@gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD
fundation
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD
fundation and contributors.
But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly
Well, that certainly doesn't follow.
Actually, that one does.
Don't bother, he just answered that after reading wojciech puchar in
mail header, so he had to be against.
If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc
then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't
As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but
that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others.
Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good
opinion . . . no?
exactly. but as you may compare some of my opinions to flat earth as i
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Well, that certainly doesn't follow.
Actually, that one does.
Don't bother, he just answered that after reading wojciech puchar in mail
header, so he had to be against.
No! Unless you think that fBSd is
On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:15:58 -0500
Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many
times this or similar way at me that it matured!
That's actually pretty funny! Nice!
yes that is very well done!
As far as having the right to post
to miss those.
Everyone is right, Everyone is wrong, kiss and make up - and then PLEASE
STFU! And that's said with ALL due respect and not directed toward any
one person!
All this $hit DID make me realize I need to get my company to pony up
some $$$ - FreeBSD has been beneficial to u, so
therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid
point.
Which WILL end up with moderated list within some time. Current quality
will not improve, only will get worse sooner or later.
The moderated list should be started quickly for simple reason:
at the beginning
No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If
for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements.
Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread,
appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to
fail (for whatever
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If
for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements.
slide
ok . . .
/slide
Wojciech, I, like many others who have
On Wed, 27 May 2009 12:29:24 -0500, Kevin Monceaux ke...@rawfeddogs.net wrote:
What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a developer, might
possibly have the right to speak on behalf of FreeBSD in regards to a
sponsorship offer. On the other hand, you, who are neither a
developer nor
On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD
fundation and contributors.
But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
i don't see the matureness of comments like this.
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