Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Excuse me, this thread was about..? I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far (that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed. I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well; but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The remarkable thing is that almost all the pollution is generated by ONE person alone. I --hopelessly-- wish someone could take some kind of measure. cheers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far (that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed. I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well; but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The remarkable thing is that almost all the pollution is generated by ONE person alone. bad observation, but mostly agree I --hopelessly-- wish someone could take some kind of measure. try convincing of some kind of moderation, and setting up posting rules. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On 01.06.2009, at 18:48, Wojciech Puchar wrote: every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. Hey, Puchar, good flame at all, but after reading all of these emails I decided and make a donation. Do you ? :) Is someone else ready for this ? -- Drop by Drop We Make a River http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. Hey, Puchar, good flame at all, but after reading all of these emails I decided and make a donation. Do you ? :) Is someone else ready for this ? Today i sent some hardware to 2 people :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:48:29PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. Do you suffer from memory loss? This is exactly what Boris Samorodov said on may 27, and you responded to his message, so you didn't miss it. The rules were clear from then on. And again, they don't offer 50-100$ one time, they offer it PER MONTH. I agree with a lot of your statements on this list, but here I think your still trying to cover up for a too fast response. let it go. even better: say you're sorry. Ruben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:36:18PM +0200, Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH wrote: Dear FreeBSD Team, We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close connection to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful Open Source projects that help us in our daily work and/or are great contributions to the OS world as such. Therefore we have also picked your project as a possible recipient of sponsorship. Kian, every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. The donation page is here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ Kian Gould AOE media GmbH Borsigstr. 3 65205 Wiesbaden Germany Tel. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -111 Fax. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -199 Mobil: +49 (0) 177 38 191 09 e-Mail: kian.go...@aoemedia.de Web: http://www.aoemedia.de/ Kind regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
could only do this, or stop being moderator. If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. I read what you posted carefully. I'm asking you to play pretend . . . if you were the moderator of the list you suggest, do you think that the response you gave to the OP, as a non-developer, is acceptable. That is, do you think that that those who have no responsibility as far as what is done with $$ donated to the fBSD cause (i.e., you) should respond to to those who wish to donate? For a minute there, I was hoping that it was a language issue (BTW - I think your English is quite good), ^^^ not so sure, because now i'm not sure if i understand these above well. If i would be a moderator (or anyone else - there will be just rules to conform) i would for sure delete sponsoring offer no matter if it offered 100 or 1E6$ But i will reply to the sender that contacts for FreeBSD core team are on the webpage, and that i forwarded his/her mail to them. it's quite clear i think ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original sponsoring offer wanted. He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. But you don't put advert for this. As you said - there is separate webpage for listing sponsors, and that's excellent. b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich scamming schemes. So what's wrong with my answer for such spammy offer? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:16 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original sponsoring offer wanted. He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. But you don't put advert for this. As you said - there is separate webpage for listing sponsors, and that's excellent. b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich scamming schemes. So what's wrong with my answer for such spammy offer? Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what you wrote. I just liked what Boris (bsam) replied to the OP's message. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what so look back, as there wasn't. I think you just followed trend to criticize my just because, while you didn't start it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what so look back, as there wasn't. I think you just followed trend to criticize my just because, while you didn't start it. Not really. I tried to phrase what I wrote very carefully, to only point out what I liked. I don't follow trends, but I will reserve my right to point out both what I like and what I don't :D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original sponsoring offer wanted. He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. But you don't put advert for this. As you said - there is separate webpage for listing sponsors, and that's excellent. b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich scamming schemes. So what's wrong with my answer for such spammy offer? I think what most persons are reacting to are two things. 1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that appears to ridicule the OP and/or other posters. This is where I wonder if it is a language issue. Do you realize that you are jamming people in the manner of your posts? Take care of people's sensitivities when you post. When in doubt about how something might be received, then don't put in those words - just stick to the plain and dull technical information. 2: Although I have seen a number of valuable responses posted under your address (eg presumably helpfully posted by you), sometimes you seem to jump in to a question or thread when you really do not know the answer or really do not have anything to add. This makes the forum look foolish and it also tends to discourage those who have the answer or can make some meaningful contribution from getting in to the foray. They do not have the time or inclination to get in to a flame war. We all have read a question wrong or misunderstood it and made a midguided response. I certainly have gritted my teeth when reading some responses I made as they came back from the list server. But you seem to have a penchant for making posts that have a decided appearance of being just for the sake of saying something rather than making a positive contribution to the topic of the OP. So, while it is true that you have the right and freedom to post on this unmoderated list, the adult thing to do is to take responsibility for yourself, to think about the significance and quality of your post before sending it off. Ask the question, 'does it improve the situation or will it just annoy people and contribute nothing of technical value'. Then make the choice in a manner that will improve the quality of the exchange. Remember that we all screw up, some of us more often than most, but none of us need our noses rubbed in it or to be jeered at. Thank you, jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in every browser. Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems, ironically). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.) pgpZJzyqE4d3s.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:44:29PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame war. . . . -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bill McKibben: The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have grown increasingly divergent, and the laws of physics are not likely to yield. pgp51FXEmpwTC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. It may be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. The term opinion has a very specific meaning, and this isn't it. Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. Saying you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. I don't mean to bust your balls on this, so to speak. I just want to offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere opinion. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anonymous: Why do we never have time to do it right, but always have time to do it over? pgpdiGL52BNFa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:12:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. Actually, that one does. If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference in your choice. If you stop using it because you don't like the noise, then functionality is not your high priority.Maybe saying 'at all' is over the top.But, anyway, the noise is getting tiresome - even mine. False dichotomy. It is possible to value both the quality of the community support *and* the characteristics of the OS, and for sufficient problems in one to overcome the benefits of the other. It's not a matter of *only* the community discussion venue *or* the technical characteristics of the OS to matter. Both can matter and, when one fails spectacularly enough for a particular person's needs, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that person to choose a different OS based on a better (for his/her purposes) combination of OS and community quality. I, of course, tend to find the FreeBSD community quite wonderful, as OS communities go -- aside from one particular fly in the ointment. Combine that with the excellence of the documentation and the technical (and licensing) benefits of the OS itself, and I'm happy being here. I can understand how some of the failures in the community to be a perfect ray of sunshine might put off some users, though, without immediately jumping to the conclusion that those users don't give a crap about the quality of the OS at all. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Joel Ryder: Ask Ren is definitely faster than Ask Jeeves. Jeeves doesn't give you an attitude though, so I guess it's a trade off. pgpD3kAfnVc4X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. It may be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. The term opinion has a very specific meaning, and this isn't it. Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. Saying you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. Huh? I don't mean to bust your balls on this, so to speak. I just want to offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere opinion. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anonymous: Why do we never have time to do it right, but always have time to do it over? -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD
OMFG Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!! How much do I have to pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever? -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Neal Hogan Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. It may be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. The term opinion has a very specific meaning, and this isn't it. Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. Saying you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. Huh? I don't mean to bust your balls on this, so to speak. I just want to offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere opinion. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anonymous: Why do we never have time to do it right, but always have time to do it over? -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original sponsoring offer wanted. He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. That was not what was stated in the email that started this thread. Why do you relentlessly ignore not only the actual wording of the original email, but also the corrections offered by others? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Yasir Arafat on religious wars: You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend. pgpUATjH6IVvu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems, ironically). could you please tell how do you set up ssh proxy for that? while i don't use ssh proxy that way, i really see no reason why it may not work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD
OMFG Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!! How much do I have to pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever? no way, but please think about financing, or even better gathering few people and convincing core team for setting up official MODERATED list. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame war. . . . will not get any success without people like Chris Rees and few others. Actually - starting it was not my plan at all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that appears to ridicule the OP and/or other posters. This is where I wonder if it is a language issue. Do you realize that you are jamming people in the manner of your posts? Take care of people's while sometimes it is what i want (when someone just attack me or just repeating nonsense), generally you exaggerate. might be received, then don't put in those words - just stick to the plain and dull technical information. Mostly i do if you read my answers. And i always try to help all people. Classic example is some kind of windows user (or maybe linux distro) that wants easy system and desktop software. Telling him/her that it's better stick with windows is actually saving his/her time. There are no cases that such people will switch. i know HUNDREDS of people like this, everybody got back to windows. And i help FreeBSD too this way. Do you like more and more opinions like this: I completely don't understand that hype about linux/FreeBSD. It's even more inconsistent, slow and make more problems that windows. I hear them often, and i understand them. 2: Although I have seen a number of valuable responses posted under your address (eg presumably helpfully posted by you), sometimes you seem to jump in to a question or thread when you really do not know the answer or really do not have anything to add. You see wrong. Probably because of few people that behave like having mental problems, and just criticizing ANYTHING i write. Any attempt to discuss only make it worse. Don't you think that it would be better AS YOU SAID - concentrate on topic, and not on your opinions about myself? While few may be true, most are just the result of too quick reading and are too much based of this few people i mentioned. Actually THEY starts flamewar because they don't use argument. And - no - i WILL NOT be telling what you or other want from me, but my opinions. There is no way to change it no matter how politically incorrect it is. I think it finally end in starting moderated maillist, because it's fine time to do so. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:47:04PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems, ironically). could you please tell how do you set up ssh proxy for that? while i don't use ssh proxy that way, i really see no reason why it may not work. on client, from shell prompt: ssh -D 8080 -p port IP address on client, in Firefox, under Advanced Network Connection Settings: select Manual proxy configuration: set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select SOCKS v5 Aside from a nonstandard port, the server machine's OpenSSH configuration is basically default. There is a firewall/router between the server machine and the ISP. The ISP is Comcast. Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Niven: That's the thing about people who think they hate computers. What they really hate is lousy programmers. pgpS5oJS3jGtn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select SOCKS v5 Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select SOCKS v5 Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Colin McFadyen: Unix is not an 'a-ha' experience, it is more of a 'holy-shit' experience. pgp5DzdCY2qvP.pgp Description: PGP signature
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and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. vtun could be useful for you, and it's much more straightforward method for tunneling ANY IP traffic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? I'm pretty happy as it is, except for this thread. -- Frederique ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do this, and this list turn to 1% on topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. jerry It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do this, and this list turn to 1% on topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. it's not that much work. The traffic won't be high ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be unreadable completely as there will be 5 screens at least of adverts ;) 2. Sponsoring of Rootservers for Mirrors or as webservers their all servers works fine - no need to. 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in every browser. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be unreadable completely as there will be 5 screens at least of adverts ;) 2. Sponsoring of Rootservers for Mirrors or as webservers their all servers works fine - no need to. 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in every browser. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Er, how rude? If you can't speak for the Core Team, then don't. Why the noise and sneering? Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hi there, as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. But the email was not addressed to you, nor was it asking your opinion. Or do you consider yourself a member of the FreeBSD Team? Do you actually know anything about the state of the servers? Do you actually know that the site works for *everybody*, and that it's the best possible? Do you have the authority to tell people who generously offer THEIR money, THEIR time, and THEIR servers to the Project to go stuff it, and that their offers are inadequate? Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially scare off a sponsor? I'm sure the Team are going to be very grateful. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be unreadable completely as there will be 5 screens at least of adverts ;) All financial contributors for the last three years are listed here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml WBR -- bsam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially scare off a sponsor? never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in your opinion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... Of course - ban it! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote something useless, again...: Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially scare off a sponsor? never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in your opinion. Not just his opinion. Will you please stop spamming this thread with nonsense, so the OP can get a real answer? -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in every browser. Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 Fabian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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snip As humorous and entertaining as this witty banter is, can we k!ll it now - at least from the global list? Please feel free to banter amongst yourselves privately and cc me for my amusement! font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... Of course - ban it! One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you owned this project. This is frustrating to say the least. And what is worse you really enjoy it! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you owned this project. again - this is your opinion. and IMHO resulting from you replying faster than reading and understanding. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering hosting but every time someone on this lists says hello and wants to either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you owned this project. again - this is your opinion. and IMHO resulting from you replying faster than reading and understanding. Don't you dare accuse someone of not reading posts properly, you're the WORST culprit of that as you race to be the first to 'help' some poor victim. It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Do you know who Boris is? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. please post more :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. How many opinions do you need before you start taking this seriously? Please add me to the list of those who find many (if not all) of opinionated comments to be obnoxious. -Neal please post more :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. How many opinions do you need before you start taking this seriously? rather - from whom, now how. quality, not quantity counts :) Please add me to the list of those who find many (if not all) of opinionated comments to be obnoxious. add my address yourself to .procmailrc or whatever you use. because i ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Boris Becker? Or the dude from Rocky and Bullwinkle? J/k - I can only assume he's on the core team? Btw - sorry for top posting, bad habit! And glad to see my plea for this to d!e didn't have much weight! Oh well - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Cc: Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru; Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH kian.go...@aoemedia.de; questi...@freebsd.org questi...@freebsd.org Sent: Wed May 27 10:59:38 2009 Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Do you know who Boris is? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website. Beg pardon, my mistake, thought he was the guy from the Foundation. Still, he's a developer. Are you? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website. Beg pardon, my mistake, thought he was the guy from the Foundation. Still, he's a developer. Are you? no i'm not. but you don't answer my question. 7 lines above from this line :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:44:28PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website. What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a developer, might possibly have the right to speak on behalf of FreeBSD in regards to a sponsorship offer. On the other hand, you, who are neither a developer nor a core team member, do not. Not only that, the information is his reply is both polite and accurate where yours is not. From Boris's e-mail: All financial contributors for the last three years are listed here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml Your reply to that was: they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. And, of course, after rechecking the important bit from the original message: What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website. It's obvious you misinterpreted it. They ask for a short mentioning **on the site somewhere** which is in no way, shape, or form the same thing as on the main webpage. In another reply in this thread you replied to someone saying: again - this is your opinion. and IMHO resulting from you replying faster than reading and understanding. You might want to go back and reread the original sponsorship offer post. It sounds like you are the one replying faster than you are reading or understanding. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: 27 May 2009 05:57 PM To: Zbigniew Szalbot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; utis...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns into snotty flame wars... It's pathetic truth be told. Use it, don't use it, /care -- Chris. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Yes it's different. Again forum is important but it's completely secondary thing to what product (FreeBSD that case) offers. I too consider forum not very good, and i opted to create fully-moderated version that will strictly be moderated to keep topics only related to: - FreeBSD base system - ports as subsystem but not ported programs, as these programs have their own forums. This will solve all problems from both point of views. For example it would eliminate advertise/sponsoring offer and my response to this. and millions other problems. Of course unmoderated mailing list should be left as is. I swear i will not use it that case, cause it will not make any use of it for me. And ALL will be happy. Back to FreeBSD, i use it because it's (for me) best unix system available in the world, closest to what unix should be. And i do need unix system. Forum quality is secondary thing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Yes it's different. Again forum is important but it's completely secondary thing to what product (FreeBSD that case) offers. I too consider forum not very good, and i opted to create fully-moderated version that will strictly be moderated to keep topics only related to: - FreeBSD base system - ports as subsystem but not ported programs, as these programs have their own forums. This will solve all problems from both point of views. For example it would eliminate advertise/sponsoring offer and my response to this. and millions other problems. Of course unmoderated mailing list should be left as is. I swear i will not use it that case, cause it will not make any use of it for me. And ALL will be happy. Back to FreeBSD, i use it because it's (for me) best unix system available in the world, closest to what unix should be. And i do need unix system. Forum quality is secondary thing. So if you only want base-system and ports discussed strictly, there's always ports@ and sta...@. This list is for helping people with any sort of questions. ANY questions. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wojciech Puchar wrote: no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote: Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. i really don't understand this. it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on the os? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wojciech Puchar wrote: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Yes it's different. Again forum is important but it's completely secondary thing to what product (FreeBSD that case) offers. No wait... I was merely commenting on your comment: exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. I agree with the comments made that sometimes your writings are quite interesting (about the 32 vs 64 bit architectures for instance). All of the below is valid for this mailing list (thanks to Roger ;) ). I too consider forum not very good, and i opted to create fully-moderated version that will strictly be moderated to keep topics only related to: - FreeBSD base system - ports as subsystem but not ported programs, as these programs have their own forums. This will solve all problems from both point of views. For example it would eliminate advertise/sponsoring offer and my response to this. and millions other problems. Of course unmoderated mailing list should be left as is. I swear i will not use it that case, cause it will not make any use of it for me. And ALL will be happy. Back to FreeBSD, i use it because it's (for me) best unix system available in the world, closest to what unix should be. And i do need unix system. Until here... Forum quality is secondary thing. For you maybe, but some readers stop reading (and apparantly loose interest in FreeBSD as well) when the quality is poluted with flames, personal remarks, whatever distracts from the real issues that should be discussed here. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD (restore a quote Wojciech deletted intentionally) add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Please, stop it. I answered not to the OP's email but to your email with the qoutes you had done. There was nothing about logo, etc. at your email. That's the difference. WBR -- bsam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 27/05/09 12:40 -0700, prad wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote: Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. i really don't understand this. it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on the os? Because it's here to support the OS, and the level of support relates -directly- to what I can expect here in terms of support of the OS, not even getting started on the LEVEL of support and the PROFESIONALISM of said support, or accuracy there of. Hell, I'm to scared to post and ask a question because of starting a 'flame war'. Perception is everything, and the IMAGE of FreeBSD that is created by this forum, is one of a minority bunch of toddlers, throwing their toys in a cot about each and every little thing that does not go the way they want it. This thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you have a mature OS... Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. But that too, will more than likely start a completely different spin off and flame war and mass mails now, with questions like why am I interested and not using FreeBSD -- Chris. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200 Chris Knipe sav...@savage.za.org wrote: If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you have a mature OS... i think it is a good idea for people to act maturely on forums otherwise we stop communicating and start screammunicating. Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. and that's probably the best reason for staying. i think different people have different 'visions' for freebsd and are passionately attached to their own. as long as they express their viewpoint maturely in accordance with proper forum etiquette there is room for the variety of visions. i think you, for instance, have just done so in this concerned and detailed post (that may be the second best reason for not leaving). you've addressed specific matters regarding the image of freebsd. whether others agree or disagree with you is not relevant so long as they 1) express themselves maturely 2) justify their viewpoint rationally -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you will always find part of forum users to be what you said. It's natural with unmoderated forums! If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you have a mature OS... and it is. Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. Me too. Very interested to be able to get help and give help about FreeBSD. Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example that: 1) I do want to switch from Windows to FreeBSD and install KDE. How to do it. Or maybe GNOME is better Moderator will delete this and reply for example Please use KDE/gnome forums for KDE/gnome support. Please read FreeBSD handbook about how to install it. After reading it, if you have problems with installation - ask on the forum 2) We offer sponsoring. Our rules are Moderator will delete this and forward that mail to those that cares of FreeBSD foundation's finances. 3) Is there a way to reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT in the remaining 200 GByte Moderator will delete this and reply: Please ask on any Windows Vista related forum about how to reduce windows partition without data loss. Then install FreeBSD as usual, creating slice on unused space. Please post if you will have troubles installing FreeBSD -- O N L Y S T R I C T R U L E S W I L L G I V E H I G H Q U A L I T Y Of course present forum must be left as is, so everyone feeling discriminated could post freely. This rules should be CLEARLY defined, so everybody that want use moderated forum will know it, and have to obey or not use it. I don't know much about any moderating mailing lists software, but maybe just use NNTP? Excellent software is already here, and using NNTP is as very simple. Strict rules are not just needed, it's a requirement or never-ending discussion will be common as each of us have different point of view. Every computer project (and every non-computer too :) without well defined rules and ownership is just destined to fall, sooner or later. FreeBSD has at least ownership, linux don't have both. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you will always find part of forum users to be what you said. It's natural with unmoderated forums! If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you have a mature OS... and it is. Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. Me too. Very interested to be able to get help and give help about FreeBSD. Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example that: But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:20:15 +0100 Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote: - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a different way. i also don't see what's so wrong about woj's statement. after all this is a freebsd-questions list so presumably there is nothing wrong with his asking to stay on topic. i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some people would be concerned. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a different way. of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or similar way at me that it matured! i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some people would be concerned. and that's just another argument of making moderated list in parallel of this unmoderated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example that: But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. I'm very sorry for troubling you, but - as you and others - i have the same right to present my opinions. And both of us don't have right to shut up others, until any of us create it's own forum and define clear posting rules. I think you should try more to control your reactions. The first thing is to understand their mechanism, after you truly understand them, controlling will be easy. I wish it will help you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. Actually, that one does. If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference in your choice. If you stop using it because you don't like the noise, then functionality is not your high priority.Maybe saying 'at all' is over the top.But, anyway, the noise is getting tiresome - even mine. jerry -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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PLEASE can we move on now! I prefer not to filter people cause on rare occasions everyone has something useful or funny to say and I don't want to miss those. Everyone is right, Everyone is wrong, kiss and make up - and then PLEASE STFU! And that's said with ALL due respect and not directed toward any one person! All this $hit DID make me realize I need to get my company to pony up some $$$ - FreeBSD has been beneficial to u, so thanks to all that support and maintain it!!! -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:06 PM To: utis...@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example that: But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. I'm very sorry for troubling you, but - as you and others - i have the same right to present my opinions. And both of us don't have right to shut up others, until any of us create it's own forum and define clear posting rules. I think you should try more to control your reactions. The first thing is to understand their mechanism, after you truly understand them, controlling will be easy. I wish it will help you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a different way. of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or similar way at me that it matured! That's actually pretty funny! Nice! i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some people would be concerned. and that's just another argument of making moderated list in parallel of this unmoderated. As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good opinion . . . no? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Well, that certainly doesn't follow. Actually, that one does. Don't bother, he just answered that after reading wojciech puchar in mail header, so he had to be against. If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference in your choice. i can give myself as an example. Even no forum at all won't make me change it. But i want high quality forum, because i like new users who want to learn true good unix to not be stucked up by some simple problem with that OS, that by accident isn't described well in handbook or manual. That's for what forum should be, and why it should be moderated, and posting rules clearly defined for all users. It will be then FreeBSD forum after all, not everything-about-something-more-or-less-remotely-connected-with-unix. If you stop using it because you don't like the noise, then functionality is not your high priority.Maybe saying 'at all' is over the top. maybe not at all, but at least it means that such user don't see a functionality difference between FreeBSD and some other system, so he can choose because of forum quality, personal taste, what name sounds better and what logo looks nicer. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good opinion . . . no? exactly. but as you may compare some of my opinions to flat earth as i may do it with some your opinions. It's normal, and it's OK as long as there are discussion on arguments, and with at least basic culture. But it's getting hard here because of no more than 3 people here+crowd psychology that make many others behave the same after them. And it will not end, and will become worse and worse when more and more new people will come. The only way to control it is to define posting rules, which are absolutely clear. MAYBE it can go without classic moderation just informing rule-breakers about it. But i don't think so, as after some times there will be people that will ignore it, so moderation is needed. There will not be much job to moderator, on-topic FreeBSD questions volume is low. And will be kept low quantity but high quality. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Well, that certainly doesn't follow. Actually, that one does. Don't bother, he just answered that after reading wojciech puchar in mail header, so he had to be against. No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If so, good luck making that argument. Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the monitor of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your response to the OP? If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference in your choice. i can give myself as an example. Even no forum at all won't make me change it. But i want high quality forum, because i like new users who want to learn true good unix to not be stucked up by some simple problem with that OS, that by accident isn't described well in handbook or manual. That's for what forum should be, and why it should be moderated, and posting rules clearly defined for all users. It will be then FreeBSD forum after all, not everything-about-something-more-or-less-remotely-connected-with-unix. If you stop using it because you don't like the noise, then functionality is not your high priority. Maybe saying 'at all' is over the top. maybe not at all, but at least it means that such user don't see a functionality difference between FreeBSD and some other system, so he can choose because of forum quality, personal taste, what name sounds better and what logo looks nicer. -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:15:58 -0500 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or similar way at me that it matured! That's actually pretty funny! Nice! yes that is very well done! As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. of course that goes both ways which is why a certain amount of relevance is a good idea. for instance, on the physicsforums there is a rule that you are to stick with established theories and not go into outer space with pet speculations (not to say new ideas aren't welcome though ... just within context). this is quite understandable since people are interested in physics and not the inner-ramblings of someone's mind. therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid point. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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to miss those. Everyone is right, Everyone is wrong, kiss and make up - and then PLEASE STFU! And that's said with ALL due respect and not directed toward any one person! All this $hit DID make me realize I need to get my company to pony up some $$$ - FreeBSD has been beneficial to u, so thanks to all that support and maintain it!!! good idea. of course i mean you like to sponsor FreeBSD, not buy advert on main page which is IMHO not possible. And if you plan dedicated sponsoring for creating moderated forum, i could do this. i don't have that much money, but i can give 200$ for this. Or maybe - lets gather up more people to pay few tens of $ per month eatch to pay someone willing to work as a moderator? It's not very time consuming job (traffic won't be enormous), so it would be enough. I personally could give 100PLN (about 33$ now) per month. Core Team must agree to keep that moderated forum on their site. Of course if they will not - nobody forbids creating it alone, but i am definitely against it. I think they will agree if some funding will be available and/or moderators will be available. As Tou said - FreeBSD is beneficial for us, actually i can't imagine doing my job without it, so i will be happy to reward too. Other option - no money, but at least 5 people that will be moderators giving their little job as FreeBSD support. As time allows. I know all of us is more or less busy with daily jobs, but with at least 5 people there will be always someone to moderate at any time. It would be best to choose people from different timezones, so there will not be dead time every day. People will not be happy to wait half a day for their post to pass through moderator. But finally - posting rules MUST BE defined (or at least accepted after discussion) by Core Team if they agree. it's their system/project/site anyway. Moderators should only be workers/executors to prevent ANY cases that someone is blocked because moderator don't like him/her. How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. after all there is much less than 100 strictly on-topic posts per day. it's not that much job to moderate it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid point. Which WILL end up with moderated list within some time. Current quality will not improve, only will get worse sooner or later. The moderated list should be started quickly for simple reason: at the beginning (almost) all people will use both lists, while all failures of moderated list will slowly come up. For example that posting rules are not defined precisely enough. Same with moderators, after some time they will well organize themselves so dead time will be close to 0. By some time it will work very well, so more and more people will shift to this. Of course not all, as part of them are happy with current status as a place to ask/talk about almost anything that have any remote connection to unix. Everyone will be happy. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements. Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the monitor of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your Of course - you already decided about utopian. no argument for this. response to the OP? as i said (another example you don't read what i write carefully) i would first define strict rules of posting. and then moderators should only execute them. If i would be moderator i could only do this, or stop being moderator. If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements. slide ok . . . /slide Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the monitor of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your Of course - you already decided about utopian. no argument for this. response to the OP? as i said (another example you don't read what i write carefully) i would first define strict rules of posting. and then moderators should only execute them. If i would be moderator i could only do this, or stop being moderator. If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. I read what you posted carefully. I'm asking you to play pretend . . . if you were the moderator of the list you suggest, do you think that the response you gave to the OP, as a non-developer, is acceptable. That is, do you think that that those who have no responsibility as far as what is done with $$ donated to the fBSD cause (i.e., you) should respond to to those who wish to donate? For a minute there, I was hoping that it was a language issue (BTW - I think your English is quite good), but now I think it's an attention issue. -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, 27 May 2009 12:29:24 -0500, Kevin Monceaux ke...@rawfeddogs.net wrote: What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a developer, might possibly have the right to speak on behalf of FreeBSD in regards to a sponsorship offer. On the other hand, you, who are neither a developer nor a core team member, do not. Not only that, the information is his reply is both polite and accurate where yours is not. From Boris's e-mail: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of the important details here are: a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich scamming schemes. Both of these make the donations team a fairly good place to direct those who look like potential donors. So I'll add my support to Boris' note about notifying the donations team and letting them speak with the OP to see if their offer makes sense and/or is useful. HTH, Giorgos pgpfilEFelzjk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a different way. of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or similar way at me that it matured! Hehehe! :D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
