Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:04, Alex Harui > wrote: > > > > On 9/19/16, 6:16 AM, "Mark Struberg" > wrote: > > >> We also need to check whether the author and contributor flags are >>

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On 9/19/16, 6:16 AM, "Mark Struberg" wrote: >We also need to check whether the author and contributor flags are >properly moved over by the import. We don't like to loose any IP >provenance... Etc, etc. Isn't IP provenance reset by the SGA? It was for Adobe Flex.

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Linux never was on hg, so the comparison doesn't fit. To be more clear: I'm not concerned that GIT cannot handle the NetBeans repo size. But we cannot guarantee yet that the import from hg to GIT doesn't loose important information or works at all. Another goal is to figure out if binaries

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Le 19/09/16 à 13:10, Raphael Bircher a écrit : > Hi Geertjan > > I'm registred at NetBeams now, to get a closer look at the project. I > was a bit shocked about the similarities with the formar > OpenOffice.org project. The structure of the Project, the workflow > etc. are so close to the

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Le 19/09/16 à 15:16, Mark Struberg a écrit : > To be honest: I was a bit worried when the github import blew up. That was > actually the main reason why I started a local import. Beside playing with the import tools for your own interest, I seriously doubt that importing the netbeans code base on

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Hmm, as far as I know the biggest problem of OpenOffice had been licensing. ASFAIK LibreOffice's success is a different license which allows to incorporate more sources. I'm not a licensing specialist. I hope, wie wohnt geht problems. -- Herzliche Grüße, Best regards Michael Müller Twitter:

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> > btw, I tried to import the netbeans-core repo from hg into github and it >>> > failed. >>> Now trying to manually import it... >>> >>> Did anybody else do that? >>> >>> >>> LieGrue, >>> strub >>> >>

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that? > > > > > > LieGrue, > > strub > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton > > <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > >> > +1 > >> > >> > >>> -O

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 18.09.2016 9:46 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take longer via > mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be involved, can > review, and can be archived. Makes sense -- and indeed the more details we have up front the

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On 19.09.2016 1:10, Raphael Bircher wrote: > My biggest fear ist the community. As I saw on the NetBeans ML, the > decision to join the ASF was made by Oracle. Well a load of the > community members welcome this step, but there are also fears. This > fears has to be addressed, this is very very

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On 19.09.2016 1:10, Raphael Bircher wrote: > One Mail also complained about the Initial Committer list. Are all > active committers who did commit in the last 6 month (or so) on the > initial committer list. forgotten people can create bad blood and > disappointment. The committers are the most

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Hi Geertjan I'm registred at NetBeams now, to get a closer look at the project. I was a bit shocked about the similarities with the formar OpenOffice.org project. The structure of the Project, the workflow etc. are so close to the OpenOffice.org project, much closer as I expected. My biggest fear

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ailed. >>> Now trying to manually import it... >>> >>> Did anybody else do that? >>> >>> >>> LieGrue, >>> strub >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Ham

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t; +1 > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message- > >>> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46 > >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org > >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] A

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46 >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < >>> geertjan.wiele...

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gt;> -Original Message- >> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46 >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 A

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+1 > -Original Message- > From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielen

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal? My > concern is that each question we answer

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If we have a proper maven build and set up a Jenkins nightly build, then we have the same from repository.a.o. We do this for many projects already. LieGrue, strub > On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 9:39, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > AGES ago (~2002), I was running a project

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

AGES ago (~2002), I was running a project that used the openapi.org which is the RCP part of NetBeans. At that time, we had a job that downloaded the nightly builds to be tested and incorporated into our continuous build. The nightly, compared to source tree, had the advantage of being tested

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 9/17/16, 8:54 AM, "Jochen Theodorou" wrote: >On 17.09.2016 10:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to announce >>them, >> they should simply be available. Agreed it's important to distinguish >> between nightly builds

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On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Hi all, > > Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal? My > concern is that each question we answer is

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On 17.09.2016 10:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to announce them, they should simply be available. Agreed it's important to distinguish between nightly builds and official releases, that's exactly how NetBeans works currently. The #1

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On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > ...Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details > > specifically, before going

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On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...Seeing as no one else from that PMC chimed in, I guess I'll be the > punching bag here, Bertrand :) Count me in Looking forward to that ;-) I have added you as a mentor to

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Hi, On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal?... Unless I missed something I see only David

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Hi all, Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal? My concern is that each question we answer is answered by further questions to answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans

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Actually, I think a nightly build artifact would only be supported via Jenkins. Travis can upload to things like nexus, but I don't believe we publish our credentials outside of the environment. This may also be a use case for jenkins pipelines, to orchestrate the build steps required

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...The #1 requirement here is that there should be nightly > builds and that is supported, from your response here... Yes, definitely, for that there's at least Jenkins at https://builds.apache.org/

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to announce them, they should simply be available. Agreed it's important to distinguish between nightly builds and official releases, that's exactly how NetBeans works currently. The #1 requirement here is that there should be nightly

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

The thing is that a lot of the NetBeans infrastructure has built up and expanded over the 20 years of its existence. The Apache incubator is going to be a great moment in which to evaluate what we want to keep and what should be discarded and how these various pieces fit into Apache's structures.

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > On 16.09.2016 00:36, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > [...] >> >> Public servers: >> - www.netbeans.org: ... >> - hg.netbeans.org: ... >> - deadlock.netbeans.org: ... >> - bits.netbeans.org: ... >> - updates.netbeans.org: ...

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No one said we want to keep that many subdomains. We're simply listing our current infrastructure at this point. I'd say we probably need a lot less than we currently have. Gj On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > On 16.09.2016 00:36, Geertjan Wielenga

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 16.09.2016 00:36, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: [...] Public servers: - www.netbeans.org: ... - hg.netbeans.org: ... - deadlock.netbeans.org: ... - bits.netbeans.org: ... - updates.netbeans.org: ... - statistics.netbeans.org: ... - plugins.netbeans.org: ... - forums.netbenas.org: ... -

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Take note of the earlier points re parallel integration ( http://wiki.netbeans.org/HgParallelProjectIntegration), which is different to the GitHub approach, which we are happy to adopt, so a lot of the current complexities will not be applicable anymore. On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Andrew

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Commit Before Review - unless the change is an API change - then we use review before integration and the review is done in bugzilla. Committers never directly push to the cannonical repo master branch. That branch is closed for integration. In Git terminology, each team (jet-main, web-main,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 5:39 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > Hi Emmanuel, > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny > wrote: >> ...Better have a hard core set of mentors from the beginning than having a >> bunch of people that

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > - deadlock.netbeans.org: 6 VMs, used mainly for propagation of changes > between team repositories and to the releases repository, including jobs > for building community plugins (releases*-au) and

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Hi, On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...the #1 requirement is for Apache NetBeans to be able > to produce daily/release builds and to upload them to netbeans.org or > another download area under Apache Daily releases are

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Who from Apache infra is going to do 1:1 discovery?... I don't know but please make sure the results are documented (as long as it's nothing confidential) either on this list or as an appendix to

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > ...I really expect that the > IPMC would allow a significantly longer discuss thread on such a large, > complex, and long-historied project before voting... I have no problems waiting a bit longer before voting, as

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That goes into a direction I was about to ask anyway, the development model: Is it CTR (commit-then-review) or RTC (review-then-commit). Means do committers directly push to the cannonical repo master branch and before doing a release there is a manual stabilisation phase? Or do you only

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Of the 32 repos in Mercurial, not all are active. We assume we'll have Git-style development under Apache, with pull requests. That is, however, a different working/infrastructure style than we have had in Oracle, with parallel integration (http://wiki.netbeans.org/HgParallelProjectIntegration).

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Thanks. Contacting him. More info, this time statistics: Total Physical Source Lines of Code = 8,281,256 Total Number of Files = 64927 Thanks, Geertjan: On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:22 AM, David Nalley wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga >

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On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Notes on the NetBeans infrastructure from the NetBeans build engineer. Who > from Apache infra is going to do 1:1 discovery? Daniel Gruno will - feel free to reach out directly to him at

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I'm sure the physical machines themselves will not be donated. But the space on them might, i.e., we could decide that some of the artifacts should stay where they are. The source code, i.e., the active Mercurial repos, should move to Apache Git, mirrored on Apache GitHub, ideally. The process

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Sorry for top posting (phone), but of the machines listed, are any available to be migrated or donated to the ASF? Or expected to be? Mac builds is an interesting topic on this as well. On Sep 15, 2016 6:36 PM, "Geertjan Wielenga" < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Notes on the

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Notes on the NetBeans infrastructure from the NetBeans build engineer. Who from Apache infra is going to do 1:1 discovery? Public servers: - www.netbeans.org: The core of the netbeans.org project, as well as user management, bugzilla, and mailing lists. - hg.netbeans.org: 1 VM with 32 Mercurial

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Mitch Claborn wrote on 9/15/16 11:07 AM: > I'm very new in this type of thing. I have zero experience with ASF, > etc, so if this is out of line, please forgive and I'll keep silent. > > I've seen a lot of discussion about the HOW in terms of moving NetBeans > to the Apache project, but not

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David Nalley wrote on 9/15/16 11:28 AM: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >> Hi Incubator PMC, >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >>> ...

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Thanks a lot for the input, Leonardo! Great to have you part of the future Apache NetBeans community. :-) Gj On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Leonardo Loch Zanivan wrote: > As a NetBeans community contributor and plugin maker, I'll try to clarify > some points about how

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As a NetBeans community contributor and plugin maker, I'll try to clarify some points about how plugins work on NetBeans and how they're important. 1. Plugins can either upload a binary (NBM) or just an advertisement (with link to another site) 2. Plugins that upload a binary (NBM) can be

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

As a NetBeans community contributor and plugin maker, I'll try to clarify some points about how plugins work on NetBeans and how they're important. 1. Plugins can either upload a binary (NBM) or just an advertisement (with link to another site) 2. Plugins that upload a binary (NBM) can be

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I think one-on-one discovery would indeed be good -- not sure how that progresses from here, though I can put you in touch directly with the NetBeans build engineers who will be able to provide all the missing info. [And, again, this is precisely one big benefit of NetBeans in Apache: we will have

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Hi, On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Mitch Claborn wrote: > ...I've seen a lot of discussion about the HOW in terms of moving NetBeans to > the Apache project, but not much/any discussion about WHY The "why" is that the current NetBeans owner (Oracle) has expressed a

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Very glad to see this proposal! On 13 Sep 2016 8:40 a.m., "Geertjan Wielenga" < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Attached to this message is a proposed new project - Apache NetBeans, a > development environment, tooling platform, and application framework. > ==

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On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Incubator PMC, > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: >> ... https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal ... > > At this point I ask anyone

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Yes, I think this is outside the scope of this discussion. The WHY is defined clearly: netbeans.org/community/apache-incubator.html Feel free to drop me a mail off-thread about this. Gj On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Mitch Claborn wrote: > I'm very new in this type of

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I'm very new in this type of thing. I have zero experience with ASF, etc, so if this is out of line, please forgive and I'll keep silent. I've seen a lot of discussion about the HOW in terms of moving NetBeans to the Apache project, but not much/any discussion about WHY. I'm not a NetBeans

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Yes, the timing is quite good, given what's happening with Kenai. I imagine that everything will transfer from NetBeans to Apache in stages, as outlined near the start/middle of this thread. Indeed, plugins.netbeans.org would be one of the last things to migrate, though many solutions are

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 2016-09-15 14:15, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi Incubator PMC, On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: ... https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal ... At this point I ask anyone with concerns or questions that haven't been

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 09/15/2016 02:15 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Incubator PMC, > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: >> ... https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal ... > > At this point I ask anyone with concerns or questions that

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

It really does sound like these licensing and distribution concerns can be solved in one way or another. Also, from the NetBeans side, we're going to do everything we can to fit into the most optimal Apache approach to structuring our infrastructure under Apache. We want to end up in a situation

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Wade Chandler wrote: > NetBeans has installers, and those installers inevitably bake in some things. > ATM they provide both Tomcat and > Glassfish. I assume that could be changed to TomEE or what ever, but would > like to know

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sep 15, 2016, at 08:15, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > Hi Incubator PMC, > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: >> ... https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal ... > > At this point I ask anyone

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi Incubator PMC, On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ... https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal ... At this point I ask anyone with concerns or questions that haven't been addressed so far and would prevent us from voting on

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi David, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:14 PM, David Nalley wrote: > ...While it may not be a requirement to enter incubation, I do want us to > understand plugins.netbeans.org (and any other pieces of their > infrastructure)... > ...I think this is similar to Maven Central - yes, we

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Technically NetBeans is both an RCP, first technically, and an IDE, so it is a library, and an application, but no, there is no separate TCK. All the tests are in the build infrastructure you get when you clone the repository. There are some infrastructure things which the community uses to

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I don't personally have any products using the name necessarily. I do have a plugin that uses the word NetBeans as part of its name, but it is only used in NetBeans, and freely available in the portal, but is the only one, and could be renamed if plugins also have this restriction; may impact

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Greg Stein wrote on 9/14/16 7:40 PM: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >> ... > I think the question is more along the lines of what else would be required to produce a "canonical" release of Apache Netbeans. If everything that is

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >... > >> I think the question is more along the lines of what else would be > >> required to produce a "canonical" > >> release of Apache Netbeans. If everything that is required is being > >> donated -- I think we're

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Trying to answer two questions: Geertjan Wielenga wrote on 9/14/16 3:49 PM: > I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by > its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we > all start maintaining that, i.e., using the correct name, which is

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Brilliant! On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 2016-09-14 21:49, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by >> its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we >> all start

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 2016-09-14 21:49, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we all start maintaining that, i.e., using the correct name, which is NetBeans or, better yet, Apache

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 2016-09-14 21:43, Ate Douma wrote: On 2016-09-14 17:14, David Nalley wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: ...there is no code on

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we all start maintaining that, i.e., using the correct name, which is NetBeans or, better yet, Apache NetBeans? Yes, Oracle is handing over everything

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 2016-09-14 17:14, David Nalley wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: ...there is no code on plugins.netbeans.org at all. No one can donate

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Good point: The ASF (actually the single PMCs of the ASF) do handle trademark rules pretty strictly: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ The main reason is that we a.) need to defend the marks, otherwise they vanish and could be (ab-)used by anyone b.) as a non-for-profit organisation

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Wade Chandler wrote: > Do you mean from the stand point of it being a Java based application, or > that some how > NetBeans and the Java TCK are related? I don’t think either is an impact on > NetBeans IMHO; > not any more than it is

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Do you mean from the stand point of it being a Java based application, or that some how NetBeans and the Java TCK are related? I don’t think either is an impact on NetBeans IMHO; not any more than it is for the Eclipse IDE or IntelliJ. Do you mean because it is being contributed by Oracle

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Given the historical difficulty in securing usable Java-related TCK licenses from Oracle, will that be an issue in attracting long-term contributors to the project in the future? A number of existing Apache projects have noted that lack of proper and formal access to TCKs is an issue for some of

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: >> ...there is no code on plugins.netbeans.org at all. No one can donate >> any code from anywhere on

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 09/14/2016 03:51 PM, Wade Chandler wrote: >> >> On Sep 14, 2016, at 09:38, Wade Chandler wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 09:28, Daniel Gruno >> > wrote: >>> >>> On 09/14/2016 03:17 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

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Yes, but that mails usually need to be manually moderated through (spam prevention). LieGrue, strub > On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, 15:51, Wade Chandler > wrote: > >> >> On Sep 14, 2016, at 09:38, Wade Chandler > wrote: >> >>>

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> > On Sep 14, 2016, at 09:38, Wade Chandler wrote: > >> >> On Sep 14, 2016, at 09:28, Daniel Gruno > > wrote: >> >> On 09/14/2016 03:17 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >>> NetBeans.org has

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 09:28, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > On 09/14/2016 03:17 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> NetBeans.org has forums that mirror the mailing lists >> (well, not always, >> sometimes we've had syncing problems). My feeling is that since

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 09/14/2016 03:17 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > NetBeans.org has forums that mirror the mailing lists (well, not always, > sometimes we've had syncing problems). My feeling is that since Apache > doesn't support forums, we could simply drop them. No need to convert the > forums to mailing

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Just an idea for the binary distribution question (probably a crazy one): We could distribute those plugins to maven.central and simply maintain a list of plugins with the GAV coordinates in the core project. Ofc we would need to talk with Maven folks about that idea first. And also

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

NetBeans.org has forums that mirror the mailing lists (well, not always, sometimes we've had syncing problems). My feeling is that since Apache doesn't support forums, we could simply drop them. No need to convert the forums to mailing lists, instead our mailing lists will need to be moved if

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...there is no code on plugins.netbeans.org at all. No one can donate > any code from anywhere on plugins.netbeans.org to anyone else. It simply > contains binaries... Thanks for the clarification.

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >> ...taking press requests is *not* part of mentor duties of course > > Speak for yourself. I have certainly done a number

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Indeed, there is no code on plugins.netbeans.org at all. No one can donate any code from anywhere on plugins.netbeans.org to anyone else. It simply contains binaries, i.e., NBM files, which are ZIP archives containing a JAR together with some metadata needed for installing it. Quite a few of them

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > I am unaware, that taking press requests is part of mentor duties. One > > reason to hesitate in the future. > > Sorry, I should have used a larger smiley...taking press requests is > *not* part of mentor

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sep 14, 2016, at 04:02, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:22 PM, David Nalley wrote: ...SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to Apache infrastructure >> >> This looks to be an

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Many thanks everyone for the enthusiasm and also for the new mentors -- indeed, an infrastructure-focused mentor or two will be really relevant. We have of course had several discussions and mail exchanges with our mentors before publishing the proposal. The bottom line is, we want to fit into

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi Emmanuel, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > ...Better have a hard core set of mentors from the beginning than having a > bunch of people that will quit during incubation, IMHO... Ok, ok, if you insist on being removed from the mentors list I

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny > wrote: > > Jim, I would be pleased to pass you the batton. You most certainly will > be > > a better mentor than I could

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:22 PM, David Nalley wrote: >>> ...SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to >>> Apache infrastructure > > This looks to be an interesting. Are the plugins gated by license? Any > vetting going on? Is there a history of DMCA

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > ...Daniel of course has a much deeper expertise for infra as I'm mostly an > occasional tinkerer > and Daniel is one of our core server admins. > > Feel free to swap me out in favour of him... Why in general

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > Jim, I would be pleased to pass you the batton. You most certainly will be > a better mentor than I could be With all due respect to both of you guys that's hard to estimate upfront ;-) Unless one of you

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