Re: Are wiki pages backed up?

2004-03-25 Thread Leo Simons
. -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http://jicarilla.org/ Articles Opinions -- http://articles.leosimons.com

Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Leo Simons
, and the rest of the open source community stating our shared position on the subject. Like Havoc Pennington writes (http://ometer.com/desktop-language.html), the Community Should Decide and It's time to start the discussion. WDYT? -- cheers, - Leo Simons

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Leo Simons
obviously on top of things. And thanks for letting us know you're on top of things :D -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http://jicarilla.org/ Articles Opinions -- http

Re: Ant import problem [was Re: jbs (Jicarilla Build System?) and includes...]

2004-03-02 Thread Leo Simons
@@GUMP_HOME@@/work/.jbs as the base directory if possible. Another option will be to make .jbs a required installed package (just like we're doing with tools like forrest atm. But I think that one is inferior because it doesn't quite mirror how the jicarilla build actually is used. -- cheers, - Leo

[wiki] Jakarta wikis set up

2004-02-29 Thread Leo Simons
questions (prefix the e-mail subject with '[wiki]'). best regards, - Leo Simons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Leo Simons
Hi peeps, I am on the avalon PMC. I was a bit scared of the idea of being a PMC member at first, thinking about all the additional responsibility and all the additional things I would need to do. Guess what? No need for that at all! The additional responsibility being on a PMC entails wasn't

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Leo Simons
Pier Fumagalli wrote: So, unless this: The PMC is responsible for the strategic direction and success of the Jakarta Project. This governing body is expected to ensure the project's welfare and guide its overall direction. Changes to identify that individual PMC members might have oversight

Re: nice

2003-01-29 Thread Leo Simons
Robert Simmons wrote: Welcome to real life business. In the real world, not everything goes your way. You get to choose between a mass of political bullshit and having no choice at all. you have a choice: open source software. And it's a good choice for real life business, too. cheers :D -

Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property

2002-12-20 Thread Leo Simons
(we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? I like! I also agree it'd be cool if avalon, ant, xerces, cocoon etc team (all the ASF java peeps) to be able to access the thing, too. cheers, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail

Re: New logo for Jakarta, following the one on www.apache.org

2002-10-26 Thread Leo Simons
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 00:50, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Attached is a rehashed logo for Jakarta to mimic more the one on the main Apache page, and explicitly state that Jakarta is an Apache project. What do you think, should we use this instead? yes, though the trailing slash should be in

RE: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Leo Simons
PHP 5 and MySQL 4 will make java, .Net, and all similar technologies obsolete. Said one manager to another manager on a golf court, after having spent the weekend with his 12 year old son who built the school website. It took me a week ton convince the another manager that it might not be a

RE: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Leo Simons
I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX. Hey, that looks like maven! :P It is a pretty cool webapp that has really transformed things for us and made my life MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the events that show up on the

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Leo Simons
you now asked for it specifically, I feel obliged to share this valuable and dangerous knowledge with the jakarta community. best regards, - Leo Simons PS: I will be moving house and country 2 minutes after I send this message, have transferred all my funds to Swiss banks, am undergoing a sex

Re: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects

2002-07-19 Thread Leo Simons
On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 15:04, Vincent Massol wrote: What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as part of their website docs for example ? yes! It's funny to see jakarta as an academy though. You think

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Leo Simons
Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code

process of OSS development at jakarta

2002-07-02 Thread Leo Simons
comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere. Or, if I missed the mark completely, I'll do nothing =) regards, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: process of OSS development at jakarta

2002-07-02 Thread Leo Simons
that's the idea. can someone get me karma to site2? thanks! On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 13:20, Ted Husted wrote: Leo Simons wrote: If y'all could comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere. Or, if I missed the mark completely, I'll do nothing =) How about tieing

RE: Interesting quote....

2002-06-24 Thread Leo Simons
just like the BSD tcp/ip code in windows. MS is very good at taking the best bits of free software and running away with it. They should do it more often. Struth! It gets better! What next? IIS - Help - About (c) 1998 ASF That'd be the day yeah. It'd solve a lot of security problems

Re: Job postings ?

2002-06-04 Thread Leo Simons
Just wondering if posting Tomcat-specific job offers on the list is acceptable, or if there is another place I could post that too (the rationale would be to be able to hire someone with extensive Tomcat knowledge, and even better someone already involved with the community). Since there's

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-29 Thread Leo Simons
Case can be made that since putting something in CVS is putting something up for lazy majority vote (and I subscribe to that), this is not a good 'use case'. But what is wrong with a role for people that have the option to propose something for a lazy majority vote, and then no

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-29 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 14:04, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Yeah, exactly. And what if there is someone who actually wants less responsibility and less rights than a committer, but still more than a contributor? -1 why? Does the term white elephant mean anything to you? thought that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-28 Thread Leo Simons
Since this is a volunteer organization, and we all have other pressing responsibilities, it is important that we do not encourage any systemic bottlenecks. I wrote: user: no rights, no responsibilities developer: right to get quoted as author for authored pieces, no responsibility

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-27 Thread Leo Simons
+ some mailing list management software + some product release software) it would be very beneficial to push the administration down onto project leads So we'll also have 'project leads' ? And some people who write and maintain code, but have different rights ? we have, in practice,

Re: [VOTE] New Committer Dan Sandberg

2002-05-24 Thread Leo Simons
I believe we deserve some explanation from the 'members', I'm quite unhappy about this whole issue. If there are some new quantitative standards for becoming a commiter ( or a member ) we should know about. The ASF members didn't impose any standard. Read my mail on _why_ I CCed the

Re: Criteria for commit access

2002-05-24 Thread Leo Simons
Just one question, have you ever voted -1 on a committer? (and not just to you, but to every committer on this list). I've abstained, informally (off-list, that is) from voting, once. The guy in question had been active in a part of our project but I hadn't been following on that at all, so I

Re: new volunteer

2002-05-17 Thread Leo Simons
i'd like to volunteer a sizeable chunk of my time to apache i've 3 years java, xml, etc most of which was spent benefitting from apache code without the time to contribute (or was it willingness?) i'd like to improve my technical writing (partly as an employment move) so I thought

Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Leo Simons
Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, -1 or only for companies that support Apache projects +1 ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-13 Thread Leo Simons
+1 to all of that. - Leo Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies -- lets innovate it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-13 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:44, Alex McLintock wrote: At 14:06 13/05/2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they are there for. Don't get hung up on adverts. We need somewhere to discuss commercial issues -

Re: Project Activity

2002-05-11 Thread Leo Simons
This makes me think of all the projects on SourceForge that shoot up high into the project ratings, with a high activity percentile, just because they turn the news function into a message board. If I were to move code from src/java to src/foo, that's quite a few commits. You written your 1000

RE: Maven is growing

2002-05-06 Thread Leo Simons
There used to be, at least, back when I was 17... grz, - Leo On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 13:05, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: Is it not ok to post strong language on this list? Are there kids around? Un saludo, Alex Fernández. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Leo Simons
The only problem is that yours so far is the only public positive comment so far. I let it stew for a bit and will talk to OJB in the intrim, but if people don't see this as a good idea, then it very could might not be. well, if you insist, +1 then ;) As long as there's room for

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Leo Simons
You know how many views /. gets? Microsoft.com? This is getting _really_ silly. LOL On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 20:00, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity. project just switched

Re: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

2002-05-02 Thread Leo Simons
Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The approaches are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs generating one etc. I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a showstopper

Re: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

2002-05-02 Thread Leo Simons
+1 I'm not a big fan of me-too posts, but this is one, bigtime. Apache as a whole and I think all of the subprojects individually have a real need for something like this. - Leo On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 00:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 I would go even further and propose a top level project

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-02 Thread Leo Simons
Bike Sheds -- At first, people -1'd the use of Anakia to generate the Jakarta website. But then when I took the effort to make it simple and easy to use and took away the bike shed argument, people adopted it and used it all over the world. I really _don't care_ whether it is

Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projectsto maven!)

2002-05-01 Thread Leo Simons
If the two work together its virtually irrelevant to me WHERE. I just want the to. Personally I'd like to see the combined Centaven moved to a jakarta.org/centaven level. If this effort is truely undertaken, POI will upgrade to a combined centaven. (I don't care what its named its

Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert allyour projects to maven!)

2002-05-01 Thread Leo Simons
There are things I like about Centipede, too, e.g. the cents, and I think there could be a lot of synergy between maven and centipede, e.g. the skins side of things is something I'd like to see with maven, but looking @ POI's site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :) Andrew,

Re: New Subproject proposal Config4J

2002-04-29 Thread Leo Simons
We had a nice discussion 'bout this on avalon-dev a while back. You can read the thread at http://www.mail-archive.com/avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg07495.html http://www.mail-archive.com/avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg07589.html This was about nondescriptive naming of packages inside a

outlook virus targetting apache developers

2002-04-29 Thread Leo Simons
virus scanners (or switch to a decent OS) if you haven't already. regards, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

2002-04-25 Thread Leo Simons
So, I'm kind of curious what the general consensus is regarding this. Seems to be in various directions. I think JDBC should be a lot better; it should incorporate all the features of CrossDB (though maybe a little different), and some more. Then there should be higher-level tools like

RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

2002-04-22 Thread Leo Simons
I never said they were the same. I said that crossdb is a few generations behind Torque in design and thinking. In the sense that Torque is an object-relational tool and crossdb is not, Torque has a newer design. That does not mean relational tools do not have a place in Java anymore. You

RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

2002-04-22 Thread Leo Simons
Torque doesn't have a 'newer design'. It has a more mature design. Torque has been around for about 3-4 years now. SQL's been around for 20. APIs to create SQL statements have been around for about as long. Which has advantages over O/R, which is the reason not everyone uses O/R for

RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

2002-04-22 Thread Leo Simons
Torque has been separated for about a year now. We haven't found a reason to make it a top level project yet. I really don't understand why the location of a set of code matters. The one reason I can think of is exposure. Which could be seen as a good one. - Leo -- To unsubscribe,

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-30 Thread Leo Simons
Leo Simons wrote: As long as we agree that nothing should get into the way of site functionality (and we do), why would you oppose a site that also is easy to navigate and looks good? The only thing I oppose is the idea something being set in stone or approved by some mythical designer

Re: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-29 Thread Leo Simons
There is no paid staff, and AFAIK, no designers who are also committers. The maven layout looks like it has been designed by a designer. except that the website is not only for geeks. It's also for people that make decisions and have money. Says who? Me. I wan't to use jakarta stuff

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Leo Simons
It would also be very nice if this were rolled into Maven :) cheers, - Leo Well, at this point Adam, we don't so much has have a written guideline for creating a Jakarta release, so adding versioning to a non-existent guidelines poses something of a challenge :O) Please please please

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-28 Thread Leo Simons
- color variations (and all other lf changes) should be part of the original look-and-feel design. Giving programmers free reign to do this spells disaster. It would be best to have the original designer of a look and feel work this out. Very strictly. :( Seriously, I

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Leo Simons
and to think I haven't even downloaded it yet! :D *gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a free seminar by accident* Leo Simons wrote: It would also be very nice if this were rolled

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-28 Thread Leo Simons
decisions and have money. Leo Simons wrote: anyone feel like throwing stones at me yet? :) Ted: Only to remind you that the programmers/developers are the decision-makers here. So if you want them to buy into something, you need to coddle them the same way you would your boss or any other

jakarta-site2 stylesheet makeover (was: RE: Printable pages)

2002-03-27 Thread Leo Simons
the module or velocity, so there might be 'some' mistakes :) Wasn't quite able to figure out how to do testing. Someone wanna lend a hand? cheers, - Leo, short on time(tm) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:00 PM Aan

subproject layout conventions

2002-03-27 Thread Leo Simons
- project specifics project specifics regards, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Printable pages

2002-03-25 Thread Leo Simons
thoughts? Is this wanted? Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands IMHO, just a couple of points though. I like the Apache.org Jakarta Avalon Framework: depth indication - would be great to see this applied across the board. I can't decide which way

RE: Printable pages

2002-03-24 Thread Leo Simons
of a bit of the code. That, and adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions? Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired... thoughts? Is this wanted? cheers, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail

RE: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Leo Simons
it as is? - drop it altogether? - replace it with something altogether different? it should, -- after consent by others here -- be merged with the current overview on the front page. That's imho, of course. greetz, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands

RE: JCP Program Chair responds to Apache Software Foundation

2002-03-23 Thread Leo Simons
I'll break my no-me-too-posts rule for this occasion: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Did I miss anyone? Great job, guys. Definately. Thanks. - Leo guess I can deinstall the .net development kit again...for now =) (and in the line of 'met too's -- I

RE: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-22 Thread Leo Simons
-documentation-per- api-method at msdn.microsoft.com, then look at us. - many people monitor the site and its changes. The points above lead me to believe the current (lack of rigid) system is the right one. And I do think we all agree that the jakarta site should be as objective as possible. regards, - Leo

RE: Printable pages

2002-03-21 Thread Leo Simons
them for those features. It is like the big switch from JDK 1.1 to JDK 1.2. :-) IMHO, Netscape sucks on the UI part. IE doesn't run on *nix... Anyway, I'll just shut up and do it...I have no time really but I'll try and finish somewhere next week. You guys okay with that? grz, - Leo Simons

RE: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-19 Thread Leo Simons
, because they have a possibly very wide scope. I don't think we should even attempt to do so for projects still in alpha (ie phoenix). regards, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread Leo Simons
'kay. Summary: (everyone, please correct and add to?) --- SIMILAR EFFORTS --- Here's a list of similar efforts that I know of... (requirments: 1) some kind of application platform 2) 100% java 3) open source) JBoss - goal:provide open source J2EE server.

The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-23 Thread Leo Simons
between total-control-of-direction-from-above and total-chaos-where-the-only-authority-is-cvs to be. best regards, - Leo Simons (Avalon project) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

EJB .net = bad . . . so good = ?

2002-02-23 Thread Leo Simons
://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/index.html) - includes a webserver (Apache - http://httpd.apache.org) Besides that, it needs to be scalable, stable, portable, secure, etc. But what architecture does that lead to? takers? - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional