Re: Are wiki pages backed up?

ion-based Wiki that would be a drop-in replacement for our Moin Moin Wiki Farm. -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

viously on top of things. And thanks for letting us know you're on top of things :D -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http://jicarilla.org/ Articles &am

Apache should join the open source java discussion

M, and the rest of the open source community stating our shared position on the subject. Like Havoc Pennington writes (http://ometer.com/desktop-language.html), the "Community Should Decide" and "It's time to start the discussion&quo

Re: Ant import problem [was Re: jbs (Jicarilla Build System?) and includes...]

is inferior because it doesn't quite mirror how the jicarilla build actually is used. -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http:/

[wiki] Jakarta wikis set up

you have any questions (prefix the e-mail subject with '[wiki]'). best regards, - Leo Simons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [NOTICE] to all jakarta committers

Henri Yandell wrote: Slightly OT for us at Jakarta, but would it be worth us requesting that infrastructure guys do this by default? that's been policy for some time now: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter Robert's request thus applies only to people that became committers before s

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this proposal is that HiveMind be a top-level Jakarta project In terms of homes, I can see a number of possible options: 3) Chuck it over to Avalon I've snipped out my opinions on the other options; not feeling much like re-re-hashing what basically are the same diffe

Re: PMC Nomination

Pier Fumagalli wrote: So, unless this: The PMC is responsible for the strategic direction and success of the Jakarta Project. This governing body is expected to ensure the project's welfare and guide its overall direction. Changes to identify that individual PMC members might have oversight on

Re: PMC Nomination

Hi peeps, I am on the avalon PMC. I was a bit scared of the idea of being a PMC member at first, thinking about all the additional responsibility and all the additional things I would need to do. Guess what? No need for that at all! The "additional" responsibility being on a PMC entails wasn't

Re: nice

Robert Simmons wrote: Welcome to real life business. In the real world, not everything goes your way. You get to choose between a mass of "political bullshit" and having no choice at all. you have a choice: open source software. And it's a good choice for real life business, too. cheers :D -

Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property

EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs > here, right?) > > Thoughts? I like! I also agree it'd be cool if avalon, ant, xerces, cocoon etc team (all the ASF java peeps) to be able to access the thing, too. cheers, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailt

Re: New logo for Jakarta, following the one on www.apache.org

On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 00:50, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > Attached is a rehashed logo for Jakarta to mimic more the one on the > main Apache page, and explicitly state that Jakarta is an Apache project. > > What do you think, should we use this instead? yes, though the trailing slash should be in

RE: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

> I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the > StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX. Hey, that looks like maven! :P > It is a pretty cool webapp > that has really transformed things for us and made my life > MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the events > that show up on

RE: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

"PHP 5 and MySQL 4 will make java, .Net, and all similar technologies obsolete." Said one manager to another manager on a golf court, after having spent the weekend with his 12 year old son who built the school website. It took me a week ton convince the "another manager" that it might not be a

Re: FW: Together ControlCenter for jakarta projects

On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 15:04, Vincent Massol wrote: > What do you think ? Do you think it would be nice to have a free > TogetherCC license so that projects who wish can create UML diagrams as > part of their website docs for example ? yes! It's funny to see jakarta as an academy though. You thi

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

but since you now asked for it specifically, I feel obliged to share this valuable and dangerous knowledge with the jakarta community. best regards, - Leo Simons PS: I will be moving house and country 2 minutes after I send this message, have transferred all my funds to Swiss banks, am underg

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

> > Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) > > > > Mvgr, > > Martin > > Anakia > > I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then > processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia > and just using PHP. > > PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the

Re: process of OSS development at jakarta

that's the idea. can someone get me karma to site2? thanks! On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 13:20, Ted Husted wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: > > > > If y'all could comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere. > > Or, if I missed the mark completel

process of OSS development at jakarta

or the world to readhmm. Yes, I was going to say it would be great as part of a newbie-committer-kit or the like ? or available somewhere else easily accessible. If y'all could comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere. Or, if I missed the mark completely, I'll do nothing =) regards, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: new look

the most information-dense (not meta-information dense) website still easy to navigate I know is msdn.microsoft.com. But this is OT on general@. regards, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: Interesting quote....

just like the BSD tcp/ip code in windows. MS is very good at taking the best bits of free software and running away with it. They should do it more often. > Struth! It gets better! > > What next? IIS -> Help -> About "(c) 1998 ASF" That'd be the day yeah. It'd solve a lot of security probl

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

> So is it worth bothering with each month? Feedback wanted! :) yeah. I enjoyed it ;) > 1) Should we have an archive on the web site (xdoc copy attached as my +1) of course, though the easiest way to archive is to link to the mail archive. > 2) Which list should it post to? - its aimed at peop

Re: Job postings ?

> Just wondering if posting Tomcat-specific job offers on the list is > acceptable, or if there is another place I could post that too (the > rationale would be to be able to hire someone with extensive Tomcat > knowledge, and even better someone already involved with the community). > Since there

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> Pragmatically I think if a community voted to temporarily grant access > to its CVS repository, I'll bet it > could be done. More than likely...point of discussing it is to try and reach an agreement about whether it should be done... > >"Why is increased granularity in role/right/responsibil

RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 15:50, Paulo Gaspar wrote: > Despite all the arguments I still can NOT see why it should be > more complicated than this (Sam + Jon definitions). there's been numerous examples mentioned in this thread. Also, the system already _is_ more complicated than the definitions be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> > On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 14:04, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > I don't think > > > there is anything to forbid a community from temporarily granting CVS > > > access. > > > > ;) > > > > Well, I think our guidelines forbid us. You cannot give someone CVS > > access without giving them all the comm

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 14:04, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > Yeah, exactly. And what if there is someone who actually wants less > > responsibility and less rights than a committer, but still more than a > > contributor? > > > > -1 why? > Does the term "white elephant" mean anything to you? th

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> > Case can be made that since putting something in CVS is putting > > something up for lazy majority vote (and I subscribe to that), this is > > not a good 'use case'. But what is wrong with a role for people that > > have the option to propose something for a lazy majority vote, and then > > no

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> Since this is a volunteer organization, and we all have other pressing > responsibilities, it is important that we do not encourage any systemic > bottlenecks. I wrote: "> > user: no rights, no responsibilities > > developer: right to get quoted as author for authored pieces, no > > responsibil

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> > + some mailing list management software + some product release software) it > > would be very beneficial to push the administration down onto project "leads" > > So we'll also have 'project leads' ? > > And some people who write and maintain code, but have different rights ? we have, in p

Re: Criteria for commit access

> Just one question, have you ever voted -1 on a committer? (and not just to > you, but to every committer on this list). I've abstained, informally (off-list, that is) from voting, once. The guy in question had been active in a part of our project but I hadn't been following on that at all, so I

Re: [VOTE] New Committer Dan Sandberg

> > I believe we deserve some explanation from the 'members', I'm > > quite unhappy about this whole issue. If there are some new > > quantitative standards for becoming a commiter ( or a member ) > > we should know about. > > The ASF members didn't impose any standard. Read my mail on _why_ I CC

RE: keep up the great work!

I believe it is not. This is off-topic. Try slashdot, newsforge, whatever. thanks! - Leo > > I believe the best place to post general news items like this is the > > Jakarta General list. > > > > -Ted. > > > > > > JM wrote: > > > > > > Thought I would pass along the "news". > > > > > > JM > > >

Re: new volunteer

> i'd like to volunteer a sizeable chunk of my time to apache > > i've 3 years java, xml, etc most of which was spent benefitting from > apache code without the time to contribute (or was it willingness?) > > i'd like to improve my technical writing (partly as an employment move) > so I though

Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

> Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, -1 > or only for companies that > support Apache projects +1 > ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I think it should just be a "these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta", and there should be no more ties than

Re: is DNS ok?

please move this discussion (and similar ones) over to the infrastructure list. thx! - Leo On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 15:07, jean-frederic clere wrote: > Danny Angus wrote: > > 11:01:34 Request from 192.168.0.3 for MX-record for jakarta.apache.org. > > 11:01:34 Sending request to ns.hyperreal.or

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:44, Alex McLintock wrote: > At 14:06 13/05/2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, > > that is NOT what they are there for. > > > Don't get hung up on adverts. We need somewhere to discuss commercial > is

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

+1 to all of that. - Leo > Sun Micro, has a page of "here are Java companies" -- lets "innovate" > it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who > support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a > rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists,

Re: Project Activity

This makes me think of all the projects on SourceForge that shoot up high into the project ratings, with a high activity percentile, just because they turn the news function into a message board. If I were to move code from src/java to src/foo, that's quite a few commits. You written your 1000 l

RE: Maven is growing

There used to be, at least, back when I was 17... grz, - Leo On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 13:05, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: > Is it not ok to post strong language on this list? Are there kids around? > > Un saludo, > > Alex Fernández. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Maven is growing

You know how many views /. gets? Microsoft.com? This is getting _really_ silly. LOL On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 20:00, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity. > > project just switc

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

> > The only problem is that yours so far is the only public positive comment > > so far. I let it stew for a bit and will talk to OJB in the intrim, but if > > people don't see this as a good idea, then it very could might not be. well, if you insist, +1 then ;) As long as there's room for ava

Re: You guys are so funny.

> Bike Sheds > -- > > At first, people -1'd the use of Anakia to generate the Jakarta website. But > then when I took the effort to make it simple and easy to use and took away > the bike shed argument, people adopted it and used it all over the world. I really _don't care_ whether it is

Re: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

+1 I'm not a big fan of me-too posts, but this is one, bigtime. Apache as a whole and I think all of the subprojects individually have a real need for something like this. - Leo On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 00:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > +1 > > I would go even further and propose a top level proje

Re: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

> > Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The approaches > > are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs > > external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs generating one > > etc. > > I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a show

Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert allyour projects to maven!)

> > There are things I like about Centipede, too, e.g. the cents, and I think > > there could be a lot of synergy between maven and centipede, e.g. the skins > > side of things is something I'd like to see with maven, but looking @ POI's > > site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :) > >

Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projectsto maven!)

> If the two work > together its virtually irrelevant to me WHERE. I just want the "to". > > Personally I'd like to see the combined Centaven moved to a > jakarta.org/centaven level. If this effort is truely undertaken, POI > will upgrade to a combined centaven. (I don't care what its nam

Re: [New Subproject Proposal] ObjectBridge

Costin: > > I would be much happier with a wider top-level project, where the > > various db-related technologies could find the expertise and community > > that is needed ( instead of ending up with 3-4 smaller projects ). I completely agree. > However, one could say the same thing about those

outlook virus targetting apache developers

ults and update your virus scanners (or switch to a decent OS) if you haven't already. regards, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: New Subproject proposal Config4J

We had a nice discussion 'bout this on avalon-dev a while back. You can read the thread at http://www.mail-archive.com/avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg07495.html http://www.mail-archive.com/avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg07589.html This was about nondescriptive naming of packages inside a sub

Re: tomcat4 context problem

A good idea would be to try the tomcat user mailing list. grz, - Leo On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 08:13, amol wrote: > Hi everybody, > I am using > tomcat4-4.0-1 > tomcat4-webapps-4.0-1 > mod_webapp-1.0-1 > rpms and I have set apache - tomcat connection successfully. >

RE: RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

> So, I'm kind of curious what the general consensus is regarding this. Seems to be >in various directions. I think JDBC should be a lot better; it should incorporate all the features of CrossDB (though maybe a little different), and some more. Then there should be higher-level tools like Tor

RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

> Torque has been separated for about a year now. > > We haven't found a reason to make it a top level project yet. > > I really don't understand why the location of a set of code matters. The one reason I can think of is exposure. Which could be seen as a good one. - Leo -- To unsubscribe,

RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

> Torque doesn't have a 'newer design'. It has a more mature design. Torque > has been around for about 3-4 years now. SQL's been around for 20. APIs to create SQL statements have been around for about as long. > > Which has advantages over O/R, which is the reason not everyone uses O/R > > for

RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

> I never said they were the same. I said that crossdb is a few generations > behind Torque in design and thinking. In the sense that Torque is an object-relational tool and crossdb is not, Torque has a newer design. That does not mean relational tools do not have a place in Java anymore. > You

RE: subproject layout conventions

> Leo Simons wrote: > > As long as we agree that nothing should get into the way of > site functionality (and we do), why would you oppose a site that > also is easy to navigate and looks good? > > The only thing I oppose is the idea something being "set in st

Re: subproject layout conventions

> There is no paid staff, and AFAIK, no "designers" who are also > committers. The maven layout looks like it has been designed by a "designer". > > except that the website is not only for geeks. It's also for people > > that make decisions and have money. > > Says who? Me. I wan't to use jak

RE: subproject layout conventions

only for geeks. It's also for people that make decisions and have money. > Leo Simons wrote: > > anyone feel like throwing stones at me yet? :) > Ted: > Only to remind you that the programmers/developers are the > decision-makers here. So if you want them to buy into somethi

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

and to think I haven't even downloaded it yet! :D > *gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has > begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a > free seminar by accident* > > Leo Simons wrote: > > >It would also be

RE: subproject layout conventions

> > - color variations (and all other l&f changes) should be > > part of the original look-and-feel design. Giving > > programmers free reign to do this spells disaster. > > It would be best to have the original designer of a > > look and feel work this out. Very strictly. > > :( > > Ser

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

It would also be very nice if this were rolled into Maven :) cheers, - Leo > Well, at this point Adam, we don't so much has have a written guideline > for creating a Jakarta release, so adding versioning to a non-existent > guidelines poses something of a challenge :O) > > Please please please

RE: subproject layout conventions

another lenghty post, so I'll start with a summary: - color variations (and all other l&f changes) should be part of the original look-and-feel design. Giving programmers free reign to do this spells disaster. It would be best to have the original designer of a look and feel work this out

RE: subproject layout conventions

> On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 17:13, Leo Simons wrote: > > It has been brought up by many people that there > > is no common way of organising subproject websites. > > I propose we draft a set of guidelines (_not_ > > rules) on a general structure. > > http:/

subproject layout conventions

, I propose the following sections and subsections: Essentials - Overview - News and Status - Downloads - Subprojects - Development - Changes - Todo - Proposals - Resolutions - References - regards, - Leo

jakarta-site2 stylesheet makeover (was: RE: Printable pages)

ence with either the module or velocity, so there might be 'some' mistakes :) Wasn't quite able to figure out how to do testing. Someone wanna lend a hand? cheers, - Leo, short on time(tm) > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >

Re: Printable pages

> > thoughts? Is this wanted? > > Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands > IMHO, just a couple of points though. > I like the "Apache.org > Jakarta > Avalon > Framework: " depth indication - > would be great to see this applied across the board. > I can't decide w

RE: Printable pages

is to use a css "float: left" directive with @print, which cuts of a bit of the code. That, and adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions? Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired... thoughts? Is this wanted? cheers, - Leo Simons -

RE: JCP Program Chair responds to Apache Software Foundation

I'll break my "no-me-too-posts" rule for this occasion: > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. > > Did I miss anyone? Great job, guys. Definately. Thanks. - Leo guess I can deinstall the .net development kit again...for now =) (and in the line of 'met too's --

RE: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

e: > - collect suggestions to improve the initial draft so that the > majority here considers it a good thing to have and develop it > further along those line? > - leave it as is? > - drop it altogether? > - replace it with something altogether different? it should

RE: Jakarta Overview

t sensible-documentation-per- api-method at msdn.microsoft.com, then look at us. - many people monitor the site and its changes. The points above lead me to believe the current (lack of rigid) system is the right one. And I do think we all agree that the jakarta site should be as objective as possible. regar

RE: Printable pages

tscape sucks on the UI part. IE doesn't run on *nix... Anyway, I'll just shut up and do it...I have no time really but I'll try and finish somewhere next week. You guys okay with that? grz, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: Jakarta Overview

ly no worked > "Hello world" example. It doesn't make sense to have turbine say "hello world" when it includes Velocity, which is there to talk to the world. In short, some projects on jakarta are not easy to capture in 'marketing' terms, bec

RE: The Complete Server Platform?

'kay. Summary: (everyone, please correct and add to?) --- SIMILAR EFFORTS --- Here's a list of similar efforts that I know of... (requirments: 1) some kind of application platform 2) 100% java 3) open source) JBoss - goal:provide open source J2EE server.

EJB & .net = bad . . . so good = ?

http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/index.html) - includes a webserver (Apache - http://httpd.apache.org) Besides that, it needs to be scalable, stable, portable, secure, etc. But what architecture does that lead to? takers? - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For

The Complete Server Platform?

anything, I'm curious if anyone has figured out yet where jakarta wants the balance between total-control-of-direction-from-above and total-chaos-where-the-only-authority-is-cvs to be. best regards, - Leo Simons (Avalon project) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>