e can actually write off a
Gentoo donation. May be moot for individuals, but not for large businesses
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On Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:30:08 PM EST Michał Górny wrote:
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> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Did any of the tinderboxes test all the various USE flag combinations or
> > just the defaults?
>
> I'm sorry but you
tc.
I do get ChromeOS is very different, kinda like Android, you must flash images
you build. No installing it in the normal sense.
No matter what terms you use, Google uses Gentoo to build products it makes
money off. In that sense I think it could give back allot. If not in
donations, resources (t
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 5:58:29 PM EST Tobias Klausmann wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2016, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > Google has hired a few core developers as has Gaikai. Both seem
> > to be good, though not sure Google is giving back as much given
> &
d development. They do not always have to be merged as a dependency of
another package.
It might be confusing to know when it is acceptable to use mixed case and not.
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Been here before, said it all before... No need to repeat.
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On Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:33:00 AM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/03/2016 09:25 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> >> This is generally considered infeasible:
> > I would not think such, just need a wrapper to run around each package
> > that
> > would g
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:14:32 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:08 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
>
> <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, December 2, 2016 2:10:27 PM EST Michał Górny wrote:
> >> Hi, everyone.
> >>
>
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:09:30 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:00 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
>
> <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > OT, who runs Gentoo
> >
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 12:21:55 AM EST Daniel Campbell wrote:
> >
have cron email me emerge
output so I can review use flags. But that doesn't really fit into the
automated
building aspect.
Like if a new use flag is added I may want to enable but is not by default.
Automation doesn't really help there without a human making the call to add
new USE flag or not.
+linux
Not my words but like say Infoworld articles, not that they are any authority
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3109830/linux/why-did-gentoo-linux-fade-into-obscurity.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3137969/linux/arch-linux-the-last-refuge-for-purists.html
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> Do you find yourself with lots of related packages with the same version to
> bump?
> Do those package have a special order in which they need to be bumped?
>
> If those sound like problems you run in
and address a problem I was facing. If it others find it
useful great. :)
1. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ebuild-batcher
2. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ebuild-batcher/tree/master/scripts
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d be proactively looking for contributors and encouraging them
to become Developers. That way there is no need to proxy and any potential
issues that can arise from such.
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ead Linux world. Though
some things go the other way. RedHat seems to have adopted Debians
alternatives system, which is basically eselect, and related tools *-config.
But we are way off topic to the userkit.eclass and UID/GID. New thread, but I
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> > I am talking about core system accounts
>
> Who decides what qualifies as a core system account?
This is pretty silly now and way off topic. I will leave it to others to
decide. I would prefer to go beyond just system so it is Gentoo wide. Arch was
not limited to
ger the hassle you make something, the less people
> will want to engage.
When standards exist, others will follow, ideally. When standards do not
exist, everyone is left to their own way of doing things. IMHO it is less of a
hassle to comply with standards than all the various ways of doing something.
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etter chance of being run over.
Rather not get into any discussions on if touching was wanted or liked :)
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another account on the system then a
conflict will arise during installation of the vdsm and qemu-kvm-rhev
packages."
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/
Red_Hat_Enterprise_Virtualization/3.5/html/Installation_Guide/sect-
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On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:54:42 AM EST Michał Górny wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 18:13:29 -0500
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
>>
> > I think you mean enewgroup and enewuser
>
> FYI, enew* functions handle UID/GID
er, and you need to take the queue/spool to
another. Same with print, or other jobs... You need them to have the same UID/
GID, or you end up wasting MORE time syncing them to the system they go onto.
Much easier to ensure all are the same.
This goes for many other things. Lots of data gets owned by system accounts.
Moving that data from system to system, with different UID/GIDs is a
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. You need consistent GID/UID mappings or things like NFS
will have lots of problems.
Package a few things in Gentoo that need a UID and/or GID and you will start
to understand the problem from a operating system packager perspective.
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y will not be filled. Along those lines would be interesting to see how
many staffing needs were met via putting out some sort of staffing needs
information.
People need a reason over all to contribute to and join Gentoo. Putting out
staffing needs does little to motivate anyone to g
IMHO it is something that should be a part of LSB. If not POSIX in general.
One cannot really change the past or current state of things. But can make the
future better.
For now who cares about other OS or distros. If Gentoo gets its house in order
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t wise, not ricing out
binaries...
I do think something like a maintainers notes URI in a metadata.xml file would
be of use for many reasons. Not putting a bunch of rules or stuff in the
metadata.xml file.
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am sure others will feel otherwise.
It is easy to feel ownership for time spent. At the same time long as others
are willing to be responsible for anything they do. It should not be an issue.
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ing world. May have blockers with different versions
being pulled in vs installed on system.
Regardless of the negatives, I think the positives are justified.
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ther automate package maintenance and such, but even that
has its limitations. Man power at some point must increase. The amount of
software is only increasing worldwide daily exponentially.
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rMicro kernel patches were made against a
Gentoo kernel.
1. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Cross_build_environment
2. http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/CROSS-COMPILE-HOWTO
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somewhere, and not sure buried VC commit log is enough.
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On Monday, October 17, 2016 10:34:15 PM EDT Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:03:02 -0400
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, October 17, 2016 7:34:57 PM EDT you wrote:
> > > On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:18:32 -
On Monday, October 17, 2016 7:34:57 PM EDT you wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:18:32 -0400
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, October 17, 2016 6:08:41 PM EDT Michał Górny wrote:
> > > On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:48:53
On Monday, October 17, 2016 6:08:41 PM EDT Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:48:53 -0400
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:18:51 AM EDT Kent Fredric wrote:
> > > There's a lot of &q
On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:18:51 AM EDT Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 09:32:30 -0400
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > > You know you can make that argument about *every* useflag right? Being
> > > unable
supports.
There you go, I had NO idea that was an upstream binary. I thought it was the
same as firefox from source. I assumed a Gentoo developer built and packaged
that. I did not assume it was an official binary.
The only way for users to know is to investigate...
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On Monday, October 17, 2016 3:13:32 PM EDT M. J. Everitt wrote:
> On 17/10/16 15:09, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> > On 10/17/2016 04:04 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> >> Even if we have a list, what next? There are reasons why they are not
> >> packaged from sourc
inted
one out, dev-util/jenkins-bin. There are others.
Even if we have a list, what next? There are reasons why they are not packaged
from source, and that will not change. Good to be aware, but without any sort
of plan or means to address. Not sure it will matter.
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ing to contribute to further a
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collaboration.
Also report the issues/changes in the log, tends to make a better argument in
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On Monday, October 17, 2016 9:52:24 AM EDT William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Monday, October 17, 2016 2:47:00 PM EDT M. J. Everitt wrote:
> > On 17/10/16 14:44, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > >> If a binary package is provided in addition to its source-based
> &
On Monday, October 17, 2016 2:47:00 PM EDT M. J. Everitt wrote:
> On 17/10/16 14:44, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> >> If a binary package is provided in addition to its source-based
> >> equivalent, the name of the former should be suffixed with '-bin'
> >> for dist
On Monday, October 17, 2016 9:40:57 AM EDT Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 03:37:28 -0400
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, October 17, 2016 8:57:30 AM EDT Michał Górny wrote:
> > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:30:4
On Monday, October 17, 2016 2:20:19 PM EDT Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016, M J Everitt wrote:
> > On 17/10/16 08:41, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> >> To be clear I would suggest at MOST 3, -bin, -ebin, and -sbin.
> >> NO more.
> &
On Monday, October 17, 2016 9:46:12 PM EDT Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 03:41:13 -0400
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > To be clear I would suggest at MOST 3, -bin, -ebin, and -sbin. NO more.
>
> It would be far bet
On Monday, October 17, 2016 9:29:15 PM EDT Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:30:44 -0400
>
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > You actually came up with one I was not considering at first but provides
> > a
> >
us/Package_Tags
That is interesting, but I think is aiming to solve a different problemt. Plus
it is not requiring any sort of policy that binary ebuilds end in -bin. Which
is the main idea. The rest was more icing.
To be clear I would suggest at MOST 3, -bin, -ebin, and -sbin. NO more.
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On Monday, October 17, 2016 8:57:30 AM EDT Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:30:44 -0400
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> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> > Part of the idea is to help differentiate the types of binaries in tree to
> > hopefully g
On Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37:50 AM EDT Duncan wrote:
> William L. Thomson Jr. posted on Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:30:44 -0400 as
>
> excerpted:
> > Then how would you test that against non official? You cannot install
> > the same package twice at the same time with dif
> main gentoo repo too.
It is already polluted, seems you are unaware, but now you know.
Likely wasn't intentional but came across VERY hostile, and completely missing
the mark and point.
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s that are from source.
To start I just wanted to see about a policy for -bin, the other stuff was
just extra after -bin itself was a policy. Unless it made sense to develop it
in full,
-bin - Closed source binary ebuild
-ebin - Self made binary from source
-sbin - Binary ebuild of an open source package
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On Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:00:07 PM EDT Austin English wrote:
> On 10/15/2016 05:32 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> > On 10/14/2016 07:17 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> >> On Friday, October 14, 2016 1:09:25 PM EDT Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> >>> On 14/10/1
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On Friday, October 14, 2016 4:00:53 PM EDT William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 01:05:43PM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
>
> *snip*
>
> > If a package is src_install only, no
> > src_compile, it should be required to have a -bin suffix, or -gbin if sel
dize use of such. I see -bin's in places but I have
never seen any document say it should be done, it is required, etc. Some
binary packages do not have that. Should they? Nothing says they are required
to, thus the suggested requirement.
No worries either way, just wanted to standardize thin
g on the suffix
https://dev.gentoo.org/~ulm/pms/head/pms.html#x1-33.2
Which is why I assumed PMS was the proper place. They seem to be the same at
this time. None of it seemed Gentoo specific.
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On Friday, October 14, 2016 1:09:25 PM EDT Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 14/10/16 01:05 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > Problem
> > 2. There are binary packages that end in -bin, which is good. However it
> > is
> > not clear if that is an upstream 3rd par
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, or etc. 1 line of code 3 lines of output,
efficient. 3 lines of code, 3 lines of output. Not so much.
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thoughts. Which was just to
reduce size of ebuilds (slightly), write less code.
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is completely and categorically wrong.
Provide facts to prove that.
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On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 14:13 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
On 15:53 Fri 06 Jun , William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about.shtml
The FreeBSD Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated
to supporting the FreeBSD Project.
It's clear
more so if
other companies are using that as write off as a charitable expenses.
IRS will want to compare what they are deducting is showing up on the
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the opposite effect. Maybe -b for blank?
Or -p for preceding -t for trailing. Which would make one liner
elog -pt One line with blank ones before and after
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cases like
einfo
elog Something
einfo
Or similar. Could just be a pipe dream, or something that is not
practical or feasible to implement. Just a quick thought I had, no ties
to it. Toss it in the trash for all I care. :)
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On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 20:52 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
I think a more ideal solution, less drastic to implement might be
allowing 2 arguments to be passed. So you could do like
elog A blank line precedes this one
elog A blank line follow this one
Actually 3, not sure
believe it took you nine months. ;)
How long was labor? I mean the recruiter review?
Natural, or breech? Did you go for the epi?
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minutes if that.
( Mostly thinking of myself when I think about re-taking quizzes ;) )
I take it as an all around approach to increased QA. Possible motivator
for developer activity with some very reasonable minimum requirements.
Surely could have side effects, but not a horrible idea
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development space. It should be hitting an overlay soon, either
java-experiment or java-overlay.
So for all your open source java fetishes, Ahmed is your man. If that's
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have
to make changes there as well.
Lots of work for sure. Benefit little if any. No worries here, just
wanted to toss it out there. Sorry for repeating this.
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descriptions for both shortly ( today for sure as time
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-careers_cx_hc_0216cityjobs.html
2.
http://www.forbes.com/home/2007/02/15/best-cities-jobs-leadership-careers_cx_hc_0216cityjobs_slide_4.html
3.
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http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/getting-involved.xml
Maybe could we get it moved on the top level?
Sure, there is some Java specific stuff in there. Likely need to remove
that first, but is a pretty
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is ALLOT atm due to weekly releases :(
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On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 22:21 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti:
No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check,
but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that
is not the case, things like the plugin and other non
to
non-native English speakers ( proper English I am ghetto :) )
Weekly I could not commit to, but monthly I don't think squeezing out
one article a month will take to much of my time. I can likely spare
that and set it aside. Please let me know.
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to acknowledge that problem. When people have been pointing it
out for over a year :) It's a wonderful mess.
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there :(
I'm interested as to how Debian and other distros resolved the issue.
Me to :)
muttered smart ass voice
By providing both!
/muttered smart ass voice
1 luv ;)
Granted providing both still leaves the issue with gpgme. Damn the
upstream, damn them I say.
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hugged a photo, it did not hug back :( Or is it
photoshopping yourself into others family portraits ;)
Pretty original statement there, followed by some welcome back pun :)
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then and now, good luck on stabilization ;)
That's coming over a year after gnupg-2 was released.
Can someone change the freaking broken record ;)
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Which I have done for my desktop use for 6 months now. Masking to use a
current version of a package version that will continue to be maintained
in the same slot as a newer version is quite stupid. IMHO.
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On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 11:11 -0500, Doug Klima wrote:
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
Why don't you step up and offer to help maintain this?
If your asking me, because I am already over committed. I can't be in
all places doing all things. Plus in this regard I am just a user, and
we should
of how stabilization would be handled, and moving
from two slots back to a single.
This is purely about robing users of a choice. Deviating from upstream
design, and all other distros. Not to mention making things harder than
they need to be and slowing things down for year.
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IMHO.
Last post on this topic, ever for me. It's WAY stupid at this point. The
horse has been beaten to death, exhumed, killed again, re-exhumed,
mummified, put on exhibit, taken down, killed again, and re-buried :)
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commit. Once committed chance of it failing is pretty nill. Not
to mention no external files. Less to maintain. less for users to sync,
download, etc.
It's a really hard call, but for most single line modifications. These
days I am really leaning toward sed vs patches.
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On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 13:45 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
Now I know some will scream, puke, throw up in their mouth, and so on.
But seems like sed should have an OPTIONAL argument or etc to tell sed
to either fail if it can't make the change anywhere. And/or keep
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 14:22 +0200, Torsten Veller wrote:
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^^
What
be using instead? I see what your talking about wrt to
chroots and etc. Not even sure that's relevant or needed anymore. Was to
correct some past issues and hopefully can be removed ASAP.
The pkg_config part might remain not sure there.
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on if one will be responsible for
their own actions or not. If not, then it's not right to bump without
maintainers knowledge and leave them to deal with any problems.
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Dang your better than most carpenters, hitting the nail on the head
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of USE flags every time I commit to it, at 45 minutes per
build.
What about distcc? Sounds like we need to get you some more powerful
hardware to develop on or etc. Since xorg is a fairly major package.
Understandably hard to test every time, but ideally all should be.
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William L. Thomson Jr
. So the || dies are more
like a fail safe for devs to catch minor stuff like missing docs or etc.
QA stuff :)
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