[ Apologies for replying so late
I am not intending to startup the discussion regarding systemd ]
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 09:36:47AM +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
For the record we did and still do support setups that upstream does not
care about.
* In the past, we had
El mié, 11-09-2013 a las 11:41 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
[...]
* We maintain networkmanager and bluetooth support optional, and this
has been the case since 3.2 iirc even though upstream flat out refuses
to merge our perfectly fine patches
Feel free to cc release-t...@gnome.org on
El dom, 11-08-2013 a las 08:41 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió:
On 09/08/13 12:51, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 11:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So would you accept
ebuild
patches
On 11/08/13 10:31, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El dom, 11-08-2013 a las 08:41 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió:
On 09/08/13 12:51, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 11:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
El dom, 11-08-2013 a las 08:41 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió:
On 09/08/13 12:51, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 11:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
If OpenBSD can do
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
I've been considering packaging systemd in sys-fs/udev with USE=systemd
and use of 'if' and 'else' plus creating virtual/systemd for proper /
installation and some other minor, but bad design choices done in the
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 04:19:26PM -0700, Greg KH wrote
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 09:40:00PM +0100, Mike Auty wrote:
On 08/08/13 11:38, Samuli Suominen wrote:
i'm not volunteering but I never really got why our GNOME
maintainers insisted on staying with it instead of going with the
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 09:40:00PM +0100, Mike Auty wrote
So there's lots of people that don't want systemd. Can't we group
together and have some kind of an affect on upstream?
The answer is... probably not, given the My way or the Highway
attitude of the GNOME developers.
GNOME users who
On 10/08/13 07:03, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 08:27:23AM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote
What makes this situation so difficult is that it's not a single
random package, but one of the bigger desktop environments that
has painted itself into a corner. (Plus an uncooperative
On 08/09/2013 07:37 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Somehow I get really confused by this selective perception (anyone
remembering the KDE overlay getting paludised and the fallout from
that?)
That's a very selective
On 08/09/2013 07:45 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
The
On 08/09/2013 08:28 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative.
Gentoo with systemd is as Gentooish a configuration as Gentoo
On 08/09/2013 11:12 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:50:24 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
So users will have gnome working but not any other component? How can
this a good service for users?
Just like we can't ensure that everything builds with LLVM doesn't mean
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
not must, but if I choose to run the official supported configuration,
well, then telling me to go to an unsupported state is quite confusing
and sends the wrong signal.
There is no one official supported configuration
On 08/09/2013 10:59 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:22:38 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
There was no decision to support Gentoo using any other layout than
openrc (baselayout).
Was there the decision to only support a single layout on Gentoo? Where?
You kids
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
not must, but if I choose to run the official supported configuration,
well, then telling me to go to an unsupported state is quite confusing
and sends
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Lots of users ran into troubles, and like in the current situation they
were unable to get support as they ran an actively unsupported
configuration.
Since when was installing half the packages on your system a supported
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:50:49 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 07:37 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Somehow I get really confused by this selective perception (anyone
remembering the KDE
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:12:42 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
wrote:
not must, but if I choose to run the official supported
configuration,
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:04:09 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Using llvm doesn't imply removing gcc ...
Using systemd doesn't imply removing openrc ...
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With kind regards,
Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer
E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org
GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D
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On 08/10/2013 01:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:04:09 +0800 Patrick Lauer
patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Using llvm doesn't imply removing gcc ...
Using systemd doesn't imply removing openrc ...
Running systemd as PID=1 does
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:03:10 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 10:59 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:22:38 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
There was no decision to support Gentoo using any other layout than
openrc (baselayout).
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:55:03 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Lots of users ran into troubles, and like in the current situation
they were unable to get support as they ran an actively unsupported
configuration.
Support for it is given all over the place; like for instance in
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
Support for it is given all over the place; like for instance in #gentoo
and #gentoo-desktop on the FreeNode IRC network, on the Gentoo Forums,
on the gentoo-user ML as well as for bugs on the Bugzilla bug tracker.
The
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 01:51:13PM +0200, Michael Weber wrote:
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On 08/10/2013 01:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:04:09 +0800 Patrick Lauer
patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Using llvm doesn't imply removing gcc ...
Using
On 2013.08.07 13:45, Michael Weber wrote:
Greetings,
Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires
systemd.
[snip]
Michael
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478252
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Michael Weber
Gentoo Developer
web: https://xmw.de/
mailto: Michael Weber
On 08/09/13 15:54, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 14:14:12
viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com napisał(a):
On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22
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On 09.08.2013 02:26, Mike Auty wrote:
I could be a KDE developer, or a Gentoo documenter, or work on
mplayer. All those people are open source contributors and
necessary ones, but that doesn't mean that any of them necessarily
has the skills or
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On 10/08/13 23:42, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On 09.08.2013 02:26, Mike Auty wrote:
I could be a KDE developer, or a Gentoo documenter, or work on
mplayer. All those people are open source contributors and
necessary ones, but that doesn't mean that
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Mike Auty ike...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On 10/08/13 23:42, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On 09.08.2013 02:26, Mike Auty wrote:
I could be a KDE developer, or a Gentoo documenter, or work on
mplayer. All those people are
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:10:29 +0100
Mike Auty ike...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On 10/08/13 23:42, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On 09.08.2013 02:26, Mike Auty wrote:
I could be a KDE developer, or a Gentoo
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On 11/08/13 00:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
They thought deeply about the changes that are being made to the
desktop, and they discussed it and reached a consensus about what
the direction of the project is; you can usually read about in the
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Mike Auty ike...@gentoo.org wrote:
Just because companies pour money into something does not mean they
know what they're doing, or that they've done their market research
into what their users want. I've tried several of the forks, and
sadly Gnome, because of
On 09/08/13 12:51, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 11:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So would you accept ebuild
patches that make it possible to install Gnome 3.8 without systemd again?
Only
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 02:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
- openBSD is simply supplying the semibroken Gnome stuff running with
their setup (without multiseat working, neither power management, gdm
service handling, and any new issues that could rise
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 02:25 +0200, Michael Weber escribió:
Citing from Pachos blog,
[...] we are now forcing people to *run* systemd to be able to properly
run Gnome 3.8, otherwise power management and multiseat support are
lost, [...] [1].
Pacho, would you accept patches and USE flags
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 08:29 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió:
On 09/08/13 03:25, Michael Weber wrote:
Citing from Pachos blog,
[...] we are now forcing people to *run* systemd to be able to properly
run Gnome 3.8, otherwise power management and multiseat support are
lost, [...] [1].
Le jeudi 08 août 2013 à 21:03 -0500, William Hubbs a écrit :
The decision to depend on systemd for part of its functionality is with
gnome upstream, not the gnome team of Gentoo.
Pacho wrote a good summary of what is going on. I can see why OpenBSD
would provide the missing functionality of
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:27:23 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
[snip]
So would you stabilize a package that works with paludis, but not
with portage? Ouch. It should probably not be in the tree in the
first place, but I that's not what I have in mind here.
This isn't a
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So would you accept ebuild
patches that make it possible to install Gnome 3.8 without systemd again?
Only make it possible, not turn it into a configuration which the Gnome team
supports.
We have discussed this some
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice.
I could claim the design choice thing for anything as well.
Actually blender upstream does that for the brokenness of
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On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 01:26:08 +0100
Mike Auty ike...@gentoo.org wrote:
I would like to think that open source developers working on such a
large and integral project might listen to their users.
Listening comes at a price; you can't listen to
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 11:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So would you accept
ebuild
patches that make it possible to install Gnome 3.8 without systemd again?
Only make it possible, not turn it into
Pacho Ramos schrieb:
This makes me think what is the problem with people moving to systemd as
udev provider (even running openrc) :/
You can't use eudev in that case.
2. About the other one: probably somebody adding systemd to
package.provide *on purpose* will remember to know that he needs
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice.
We are not just talking about random ebuild
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 12:22 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
[...]
Ok so we have these options:
1. keep systemd as hard dependency (current)
2. IUSE=+systemd or openrc-force with ewarn when set to unsupported state
3. #2 + systemd in package.use.force, can be unforced via
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:30:17 +0200
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice.
I could claim the design choice thing for
On 08/09/2013 06:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice.
We are
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement openrc support.
--
With kind regards,
Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer
E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org
GPG
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement openrc support.
Invalid upgrade path.
The upgrade path is to install
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Somehow I get really confused by this selective perception (anyone
remembering the KDE overlay getting paludised and the fallout from
that?)
That's a very selective perception there. If you mean the fully
documented
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
The upgrade path is to install systemd or to
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:37:26 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Somehow I get really confused by this selective perception (anyone
remembering the KDE overlay getting paludised and the fallout
On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
The upgrade path is to
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative.
Gentoo with systemd is as Gentooish a configuration as Gentoo with
OpenRC, or Gentoo with libav, or Gentoo
On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice.
We are
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 11:40:58AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote
It may be pertinent for this reason (a smoother upgrade path) and
this reason alone, to stabilize gnome-3.6 first -- just to get into
gnome3 (and get gnome-2 removed) without having to also deal with the
systemd migration at the
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:36:05 +0200
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
How does not supporting OpenRC matter for Gentoo?
The question puzzles me. For one it is
* an implementation of virtual/service-manager which is in @system
But systemd is
On 09/08/13 14:31, Patrick Lauer wrote:
On 08/09/2013 06:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work
On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote:
On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work with
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 14:14:12
viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com napisał(a):
On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:45:25
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative.
Gentoo with systemd is as Gentooish a
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote:
On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative.
Gentoo with
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
chith...@gentoo.org wrote:
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for
On 9 August 2013 20:20, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
chith...@gentoo.org wrote:
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:16:37AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote
Though, an init system standard might be the most promising approach.
Ahemmm http://xkcd.com/927/
--
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He only said that if you
want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team
will not support any other configuration.
He did not say that everyone should install systemd, nor that you need
to support such
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:22:38 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
There was no decision to support Gentoo using any other layout than
openrc (baselayout).
Was there the decision to only support a single layout on Gentoo? Where?
There is *HUGE* difference between optional components and
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
chith...@gentoo.org wrote:
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He only said that if you
want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team
will not support any other configuration.
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:50:24 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
So users will have gnome working but not any other component? How can
this a good service for users?
Just like we can't ensure that everything builds with LLVM doesn't mean
we shouldn't support packages that only build
On 08/09/2013 04:57 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He only said that if you
want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team
will not support any other configuration.
He did not say that
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:40:28 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
At least we know what ssuominen thinks... some prople are trying to
hijack the Gentoo project at the excuse of Gnome to switch into
specific vendor solution, and be on its mercies from now on. This was
the exact plan of
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:57:49 -0400
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:16:37AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote
Though, an init system standard might be the most promising
approach.
Ahemmm http://xkcd.com/927/
Are there existing init system standards then?
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:25:10 +0200
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
No, that is definitely not how stabilization works and I was told
something different during my recruitment process.
* _stable_ (as in... it works on different setups... this is already
not true for gnome)
Current
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM, viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com wrote:
On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 09/08/13 17:40, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote:
On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM,
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 14:14:12
viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com napisał(a):
On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
chith...@gentoo.org wrote:
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick
On 09/08/13 16:49, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote:
On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 05:22:38PM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
Just install systemd. There really
On 9 August 2013 21:57, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:45:25
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22
Dnia 2013-08-10, o godz. 03:11:55
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 9 August 2013 21:57, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:45:25
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
It doesn't help to keep so aggressively pushing it.
Neither does so aggressively pushing against it.
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 03:11:55 +0800
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 9 August 2013 21:57, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:45:25
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
Your upgrade path is no longer an upgrade; the other ones are, and
as said
On 09/08/13 19:17, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM, viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com wrote:
On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22
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On 09/08/13 10:35, Tom Wijsman wrote:
Listening comes at a price; you can't listen to everyone at the
same time, all you will hear is noise because all the voices clash.
So, you've got to listen to a selective bit of users and satisfy
them;
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On 09/08/13 21:32, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 03:11:55 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org
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On 9 August 2013 21:57, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
This one is *so special* just because we have a few folks
which really
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Mike Auty ike...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On 09/08/13 21:32, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 03:11:55 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On 9
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 08:27:23AM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote
What makes this situation so difficult is that it's not a single
random package, but one of the bigger desktop environments that
has painted itself into a corner. (Plus an uncooperative upstream,
so all the blame gets thrown at the
On 08/07/2013 10:16 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
Also, I think we should stop spending a lot of time trying to keep it
working with openrc, we simply don't have resources to do that at the
moment (even Debian/Ubuntu people are stick with systemd-204 because
they don't have resources to keep logind
On 08/08/2013 01:49 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
On 08/07/2013 09:14 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 14:45 +0200, Michael Weber wrote:
Greetings,
Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires
systemd.
What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6,
On 7 August 2013 20:45, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote:
Greetings,
Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires
systemd.
What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this
restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this
On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:29:06 +0200
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Leave it in ~arch forever, because it is incompatible with system
packages. (virtual/service-manager)
But compatible with virtual/service-manager[-prefix,kernel_linux].
Jokes aside; I'm not aware of any requirement to be
On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:39:25 +0800
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 7 August 2013 20:45, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote:
Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which
requires systemd.
What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this
Dnia 2013-08-08, o godz. 11:29:06
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 08/08/2013 01:49 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by
the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision.
It'll cause lots of pain for
On 08/08/13 13:05, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2013-08-08, o godz. 11:29:06
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On 08/08/2013 01:49 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by
the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision.
On 08/08/13 12:39, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 7 August 2013 20:45, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote:
Greetings,
Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires
systemd.
What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this
restriction, enabling all non
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