Re: [Gimp-user] new to Gimp

2013-06-14 Thread scl
On 14.06.13 at 06:27 AM Joyce wrote: But, how do I get rid of the white box left by the selection/crop and re-color in the background. What exactly do you mean? A white rectangle around that face? Also the version I downloaded (GIMP 2.6.10) does now have the drop down box on the right of

[Gimp-user] live painting

2013-06-14 Thread muzzol
hi, I'm playing in a band and we want to use a projector to show some graphic artists doing their work in realtime while we perform. is there a way to configure a secondari screen/window to show only the final output of gimp? no tools, no borders, no rules, etc. just paint evolving as being

Re: [Gimp-user] live painting

2013-06-14 Thread Simon Budig
muzzol (muz...@muzzol.com) wrote: I'm playing in a band and we want to use a projector to show some graphic artists doing their work in realtime while we perform. is there a way to configure a secondari screen/window to show only the final output of gimp? no tools, no borders, no rules,

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: - Can this behaviour be changed in the configuration of GIMP ? No - If not, what is the latest release of GIMP that behaved in the old (and intuitive) way, so I can go back to that version ? 2.6.11 PS Why do the developpers think we

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Here we go again . . . . PS Why do the developpers think we all want to use the .xcf format ? It's not like that. It's a change in design from one model to another. The change is beneficial when you ARE working on an XCF file (in the exact same vein as using Photoshop to work on PSD files,

[Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Crew
As a potential new user to The Gimp, I've found the lack of a conventional save command to be TERRIBLE. I'm absolutely astonished that anyone that uses software would think this could be a sensible move, it's crazy, I don't know any other program that works in such a non-standard way.

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Greg Chapman
Hi Crew, On 14 Jun 13 16:08 Crew p...@wideshots.co.uk said: As a potential new user to The Gimp, I've found the lack of a conventional save command to be TERRIBLE. You're wrong! The problem is NOT a lack of conventional Save command, rather a lack of conventional Import command! The

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Crew
In case you are not just phishing (which is unlikely, as there are several such emails posted recently:-) Given the way Adobe are moving to a subscription model, there are going to be a lot of new users like myself seriously looking at The Gimp in future. The recent addition of colour

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Andrew Bridget wrote: Just because a program does not perform the way you would like it to, doesn't make it an inferior program. GIMP is a very powerful Image Editing program that thousands of people use day to day. For every one that states in this forum that

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Crew wrote: If the discussion has had thousands of comments in the past it's pretty clear it's at least contentious. There's that old war trick: crawl towards the opposing army in the dark and make as much noise as possible like there's an army of you. I'm

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:28:31 +0200 Since Linux is all in favour of freedom of choice It's just a kernel. Software neither feels, nor judges, nor favours. how about offering the user an export / save choice in the Preferences dialogues

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Crew
You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have Using the examples of video editing packages is rather disingenuous as they are all project based programs that work on the expectation of combining

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Simon Budig
Crew (p...@wideshots.co.uk) wrote: You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have Using the examples of video editing packages is rather disingenuous as they are all project based programs that work on

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Ron
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:43:17 +0400 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: how about offering the user an export / save choice in the Preferences dialogues ? As already discussed before, the answer is 'no'. Why not ? Do I sense here a case of the Microsoft delusion

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Crew wrote: Welcome to Prokoudine' Friday night tour to GIMP, the image editing application that mends broken hearts. You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Crew
you mean compared to a project based image manipulation program, which works on the expectation of combining/editing multiple images and outputting in different image formats? So you're saying that thinking of The Gimp as an image editing program is wrong then, it need to be primarily regarded

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Crew wrote: you mean compared to a project based image manipulation program, which works on the expectation of combining/editing multiple images and outputting in different image formats? So you're saying that thinking of The Gimp as an image editing program

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Crew
On 14/06/2013 19:06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: As a Linux user, I don't have tons of image editors to try. But hey, I'm quite ready to believe that most of them are doing it wrong:) Right I see now. I write for Linux I don't need to conform to user requirements, I know better The vast

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/14/13 12:46, Crew wrote: You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have Using the examples of video editing packages is rather disingenuous as they are all project based programs that work on the

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote: Agreed 100%, also do not know why Audacity is in there. I expect audio to be saved in Audacity in wav file format (which is what it does) Which is what it does not. Audacity famously saves only project data and exports everything

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Crew wrote: On 14/06/2013 19:06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: As a Linux user, I don't have tons of image editors to try. But hey, I'm quite ready to believe that most of them are doing it wrong:) Right I see now. I write for Linux I don't need to conform

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
Meant to send to list the first time, more non-standard behavior. On 06/14/13 13:43, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote: Agreed 100%, also do not know why Audacity is in there. I expect audio to be saved in Audacity in wav file format (which

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com wrote: You must not use Audacity, then. Yeah, well, you know how it is... I actually use Ardour for my audio stuff. That's basically the reason I quitted the Audacity team a few years ago after having been part of it

[Gimp-user] Fw: A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alex Vergara Gil
You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have Using the examples of video editing packages is rather disingenuous as they are all project based programs that work on the expectation of combining

[Gimp-user] Creating image from webpage

2013-06-14 Thread Bettina K. Lechner
Hi everyone, I tried to load an image of a webpage in GIMP by using File Create from Webpage. But it doesn't work. And it seems I am not alone: http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=4t=5920 (same here: no matter which page I try to load I get just a grey lng empty picture) I am using GIMP

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Crew
On 14/06/2013 19:47, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: The vast majority of photographers DON'T use Linux because there's been nothing credible for them. It's amazing that there are people who actually believe that. Why would you believe anything else ? Do you see any support from the likes of

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Crew wrote: The vast majority of photographers DON'T use Linux because there's been nothing credible for them. It's amazing that there are people who actually believe that. Why would you believe anything else ? Because I have a brain and I happen to use it

Re: [Gimp-user] Fw: A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Ron
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:06:38 -0500 Alex Vergara Gil a...@cphr.edu.cu wrote: Sometimes it's better to accept a program's development has gone wrong and return it to a more acceptable workflow that matches the expectations of it's users. Sometimes it´s better to accept a program´s user has

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Steve Kinney
Every time people insist on cluttering the list up with weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth over Save vs. Export, it is... A Sad Case Of Regression :o/ Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Eduard Braun
Actually I know nobody who likes the new distinction between save and export. But the whole discussion seems to be at a point of no return anyway and developers seem to defend the change as a matter of principle rather than aiming for maximum usability, so it seems quite improbable anything

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Psiweapon
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Crew wrote: On 14/06/2013 19:06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: As a Linux user, I don't have tons of image editors to try. But hey, I'm quite ready to believe that

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Psiweapon wrote: Excuse me, Alexandre, but you're being DISMISSIVE AS HELL here. Yes, I am. I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou attitude is corrosive and self-satisfied. Oh, not holier :) Just smarter. And I can prove that.

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Psiweapon
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Psiweapon wrote: Excuse me, Alexandre, but you're being DISMISSIVE AS HELL here. Yes, I am. I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou attitude

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Psiweapon wrote: I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou attitude is corrosive and self-satisfied. Oh, not holier :) Just smarter. And I can prove that. Are you sure? I'm not saying you're not, but you'd need *his *credentials too to

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Sam Gleske
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and being smarter doesn't make you a better person. Your smarter than you is still corrosive and self-satisfied. You see, I never claimed to be a good person. I'm not even remotely interested

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Psiweapon
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Psiweapon wrote: I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou attitude is corrosive and self-satisfied. Oh, not holier :) Just smarter. And I

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Williams
On 06/14/2013 02:47 PM, Eduard Braun wrote: Actually I know nobody who likes the new distinction between save and export. But the whole discussion seems to be at a point of no return anyway and developers seem to defend the change as a matter of principle rather than aiming for maximum

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Kasim Ahmic
Like Tom, the change from Save to Export was a bit of a surprise to me as well. Over time, I got used to it. Once you think about it, it actually makes more sense to use this method than it does the previous method. Just my two cents :) p.s. People should really stop arguing about this. It

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Crew wrote: is the choice for Win/Mac and proprietary software an informed one? Yes. Wrong answer. See below. You might not like the information they made their choices on, but it's not entirely random. Finally you made a statement that makes some sort of

Re: [Gimp-user] Creating image from webpage

2013-06-14 Thread Partha Bagchi
Just did the same with my build. Opened Webpages just fine. On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote: On 06/10/2013 09:31 AM, Bettina K. Lechner wrote: Hi everyone, I tried to load an image of a webpage in GIMP by using File Create from Webpage. But it

[Gimp-user] Re;

2013-06-14 Thread Joyce
Thank you for the help yesterday – it worked and I am learning. I do need more help; I have my second layer positioned correctly using the opacity. However, I can not erase the surrounding unwanted area. The eraser either leaves a color in the area or turned it to the grey and white

Re: [Gimp-user] Re;

2013-06-14 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/14/13 20:46, Joyce wrote: Thank you for the help yesterday – it worked and I am learning. I do need more help; I have my second layer positioned correctly using the opacity. However, I can not erase the surrounding unwanted area. The eraser either leaves a color in the area or turned it

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Helen
Andrew Bridget A remark such as if you don't like it, don't use it is rude and unhelpful, and such remarks should never appear on this list. I've stayed out of the discussion of this regression -- I hate the change to-- but I appeal for courtesy to those who care enough to try to communicate

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Helen
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote: Ron said: Since Linux is all in favour of freedom of choice, how about offering the user an export / save choice in the Preferences dialogues ? I wish to endorse this. The export feature could have been added without disabling

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Helen
So you're saying that thinking of The Gimp as an image editing program is wrong then, it need to be primarily regarded as a project based compositing program ? That is what we've been saying for the past 7 years. GIMP= Gnu Image Manipulation Program. Right? -- Helen Etters

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Helen wrote: Andrew Bridget A remark such as if you don't like it, don't use it is rude and unhelpful, and such remarks should never appear on this list. I've stayed out of the discussion of this regression -- I hate the change to-- but I appeal for

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Helen wrote: My agent sends a jpg of the card she plans to mail out, asking me to edit. I edit, save to jpg becasue tha's what she wants, and it has now disappeared off my screen. Why did it disappear off your screen? Why do you reopen it? This new