Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp failing to load custom anything

[Sam Gleske]

Have you reviewed your "Folders" configuration in GIMP preferences?  Your
files may not be in the folders GIMP is expecting.  You could also
customize where GIMP looks for those additional customizations in the
folders section.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:10 AM, rich404  wrote:

> >I feel like I'm the only one experiencing this from my google searches
> >but randomly as I was  working on some illustrations on GIMP 2.8.22, I
> >noticed my tool-presets and some of my palettes were no longer
> >available, they just stopped showing up in dialog boxes.
> >I have tried uninstalling, including getting rid of all the folders,
> >and once I put my custom palettes and presets back in the folder I get
> >failed to load data error. I even tried putting the custom files in
> >another folder and and set the folder management to pull from that
> >folder and I still get the same error. I've never faced this before
> >and it is very aggravating. Any help would be greatly appreciated
>
> Are you sure the user name in the error messages coincide with blanked-out
> name
> for your Gimp profile?
>
> Have changed/upgraded/reinstalled your computer / version of Gimp recently?
>
> I can find a copy of those preset folders, vaguely remember them from
> years ago.
> I think pre-Gimp 2.8 and they sort of work - I do not have the bespoke
> brushes
> to go with them.
>
> bottom line - more information please.
>
> rich: www.gimp-forum.net
>
> Attachments:
> * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/785/original/location.jpg
> * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/786/original/working.jpg
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Re: [Gimp-user] I can't paint a white star.............

[Sam Gleske]

Other problems I've encountered include:
* Trying to paint on the wrong layer (sometimes even when the layer is not
visible).
* Trying to paint when quick mask is selected.
* Trying to paint on a layer when a channel has been selected.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 7:58 AM, rich404  wrote:

> >I figured it out - restart Gimp solved it
>
> Gimp does not possess magical powers to change its own settings, only when
> they
> are reset by a resart perhaps.
>
> Common reasons for the brush not painting.
>
> 1. There is selection active (could be as small as a pixel) and you are
> tying to
> paint outside it.
>
> 2. The active layer is small and you are trying to paint outside it.
>
> 3. Trying to paint on transparency with the alpha-lock on.
>
> rich: www.gimp-forum.net
>
> Attachments:
> * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/787/original/nogood.jpg
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Re: [Gimp-user] Recent "HDR" work in GIMP.

[Sam Gleske]

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Sam Gleske  wrote:

>
> Check out a little fun piece while playing with GIMP (note: no facebook
> account required).
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/326042310770868/
> permalink/1260050984036658/
>
> It just shows how well GIMP can compliment poor photos taken from a phone
> camera.
>


Here's an alternative dropbox link since someone mentioned they couldn't
reach it on Facebook.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zh3oifdddp8nn36/AAA0tlfOfDm1_7IHmXqxeo19a?dl=0

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[Gimp-user] Recent "HDR" work in GIMP.

[Sam Gleske]

Check out a little fun piece while playing with GIMP (note: no facebook
account required).

https://www.facebook.com/groups/326042310770868/permalink/1260050984036658/

It just shows how well GIMP can compliment poor photos taken from a phone
camera.

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Re: [Gimp-user] GMIC Plugin

[Sam Gleske]

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Alan Huntley 
wrote:

> HD/Users//Library/Application Support/GIMP/2.8/plug-ins
>
> Which is where I believe it's supposed to live on Mac. Is that the correct
> location?
>

You can look up the plug-in path in your own GIMP settings by:

1. Visiting GIMP preferences (I don't know on Mac but on Linux it's Edit >
Preferences).
2. Expanding "Folders" in the menu on the left.
3. Clicking on Plug-Ins

This area will display all of the path locations in which GIMP is searching
for plug-ins.

SAM

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Re: [Gimp-user] 2.9.2 binaries for Windows

[Sam Gleske]

In the lower right hand corner of the front page Partha does a good job
explaining how he builds GIMP.  I haven't tried building it myself but if I
had the desire to have 32-bit GIMP I think it would be worth a shot.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:51 AM, anatoly techtonik 
wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Sven Claussner 
> wrote:
> > On  6.1.2016 at 4:16 PM Anatoly Techtonik wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Is there such a thing as 2.9.2 binaries for Windows?
> >>
> >> https://www.gimp.org/news/2015/11/27/gimp-2-9-2-released/
> >> https://www.gimp.org/downloads/
> >> http://nightly.darkrefraction.com/gimp/dev/
> >>
> >
> > Yes, at www.partha.com you find Windows builds that are
> > even a bit newer (version 2.9.3).
>
> Sorry, I meant 32bit Windows. http://partha.com hosts only 64bit binaries.
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Re: [Gimp-user] On Portable GIMP/Vagrant development environment

[Sam Gleske]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Sam Gleske  wrote:

> I'll follow up with when I believe the bootstrapping process is fixed.
>

Hi Paul,
I've fixed the issues you encountered when you first tried to bootstrap.
Here's the detailed changes.

https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp/commit/46a563b4d4d69cc3397a811f673146c0d2ffc672

To fix your development environment be sure you're in the vagrant-gimp
working directory (the one you cloned)

   1. git pull origin master
   2. vagrant destroy
   3. vagrant box update
   4. vagrant up

That should correctly bootstrap your environment.  For anyone else, refer
to the README at https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp

Please let me know how your second experience goes.

SAM

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Re: [Gimp-user] Portable development environment for GIMP

[Sam Gleske]

It bootstraps a virtualbox virtual machine ready for development.  So it is
not replacing your currently running OS but instead starting a
virtualmachine ready to compile GIMP and start developing.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Ofnuts  wrote:

> On 27/09/15 20:35, Sam Gleske wrote:
>
>> Hello devs and users,
>> I want to lower the barrier of entry of GIMP development for people who
>> want to contribute to GIMP.
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> It will automatically provision Debian Jessie 64-bit, upgrade the OS,
>> install all GIMP development dependencies, and build GIMP.  It builds
>> babl,
>> gegl, and gimp from the master branch.
>>
>>
>> Please tell me your thoughts/feedback/ideas.
>>
>> SAM (irc nickname samrocketman)
>>
>>
> Hmmm. What do you mean by "provision Debian Jessie 64-bit" exactly? You
> replace the existing OS?
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Re: [Gimp-user] On Portable GIMP/Vagrant development environment

[Sam Gleske]

Hello Paul,
Thanks for your feedback.  I'm not sure if you meant to reply off-list but
I'll include the mailing lists in my reply.  Hope you don't mind.


On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Paul Alkhimov  wrote:

> *TL;DR*: it did not work out and I have no idea where to find the gimp
> sources in the vm.
>

It should have cloned GIMP source in the following steps (upon typing
"vagrant up").

https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp/blob/43fd5d67fa2808ad8f987ee626bcbd6451a475dd/Vagrantfile#L55
https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp/blob/43fd5d67fa2808ad8f987ee626bcbd6451a475dd/setup/everything.sh#L41
https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp/blob/43fd5d67fa2808ad8f987ee626bcbd6451a475dd/setup/gimp-source/install.sh#L18-L34


> I attach the log copied directly from the terminal. In this way you can
> see the way your solution is used by a random person. My approach is to try
> first is everything works and then, if necessary - to fix the stuff.
> So, here is what I did:
> 1. Read your e-mail, read the readme.md at
> https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp
> 2. git clone https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp.git (SUCCESS)
> 3. cd vagrant-gimp && vagrant up (FAILURE: "The program 'vagrant' is
> currently not installed.")
> 4. sudo apt-get install vagrant (OK)
> 5. vagrant up (FAILURE: "Vagrant could not detect VirtualBox")
> 6. sudo apt-get install virtualbox (OK)
> 7. vagrant up (FAILURE: vm: * The box 'debian/jessie64' could not be
> found.)
> 8. as the error looked strange, I went to the vagrant site and installed
> the latest provided version=1.7.4. (OK)
>
> *COMMENT*: up to this step I had the problems with wrong version of the
> vagrant. I accept that I ignored your first instruction in the e-mail ( 1.
> Install vagrant https://www.vagrantup.com/), but on the other hand,
> neither this e-mail, nor github repo mentioned that I absolutely must use
> the latest version from the site instead of the provided by the system => I
> wrongly supposed that any version is ok.
>

I have incorporated your feedback into the README.  See the section at the
top for prerequisites.
https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp/blob/43fd5d67fa2808ad8f987ee626bcbd6451a475dd/README.md#prerequisites


> 9. vagrant up (FAILURE: "Atlas push: * Missing required configuration
> parameter 'token'")
> 10. tried vagrant login with provided vagrant/gimp pair (FAILURE)
> 11. registered on https://atlas.hashicorp.com/ (OK)
> 12. vagrant login (OK)
>
> *COMMENT*: these mistakes are also stupid for those who know what vagrant
> is, but for others I believe this behavior can be completely logical.
>

These mistakes are not stupid and an account at hashicorp should not have
been a barrier to entry.  I have updated the bootstrapping process and
removed this requirement.
https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp/blob/43fd5d67fa2808ad8f987ee626bcbd6451a475dd/Vagrantfile#L43-L45


> 13. vagrant up (OK, but it was not extremely fast on my 8MBit connection)
> 14. I tried to log in into the running system, but did not succeed for
> unknown reason (FAILURE)
> 15. shutdown the vm with "sudo shutdown" and vagrant reload (OK)
> 16. could not find the GIMP sources => *FAILURE*
>
> In fact I found the scripts in setup/gimp-packages/ and other folders, but
> I don't know where the sources actually are. You say "There should the
> following files and directories in the vagrant user.
>
>- ~/gimp-git - contains all of the output from the gimp build.
>- ~/gimp-git/share/config.site - a file containing variables used by
>the build process.
>- ~/git/babl - source code of BABL
>- ~/git/gegl - source code of GEGL
>- ~/git/gimp - source code of GIMP
>- ~/build-gimp.sh - a script to compile BABL, GEGL, and GIMP all at
>once."
>
> But they are just not there.
> // I attach a complete host log if it helps.
>

After reviewing your log it appears the bootstrap failed due to an
out-of-date package.  I'll work on bootstrapping again to ensure that it is
fixed.  It's quite possible Debian Jessie removed the package.  Here's the
excerpt from the log.

==> default: Package libjpeg8-dev is not available, but is referred to by
another package.
==> default: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted,
or
==> default: is only available from another source
==> default: However the following packages replace it:
==> default:   libjpeg62-turbo-dev
==> default: E
==> default: :
==> default: Package 'libjpeg8-dev' has no installation candidate
==> default: + apt-get update --fix-missing
==> default: Hit http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease
==> default: Hit http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main Sources
==> default: Hit http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main amd64
Packages
==> default: Hit http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main
Translation-en
==> default: Ign http://httpredir.debian.org jessie InRelease
==> default: Get:1 http://httpredir.debian.org jessie Release.g

[Gimp-user] Portable development environment for GIMP

[Sam Gleske]

Hello devs and users,
I want to lower the barrier of entry of GIMP development for people who
want to contribute to GIMP.

I just made a quick set-up development environment for GIMP.  This way new
developers can get their first build of GIMP in minutes (depending on
internet connection) rather than hours of dependency discovery.  ***It
takes the pain out of building GIMP for the first time**.*

https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp

Instructions:

   1. Install vagrant https://www.vagrantup.com/
   2. Clone: git clone https://github.com/samrocketman/vagrant-gimp
   3. cd vagrant-gimp
   4. vagrant up
   5. Log in with username: vagrant, password: gimp

It will automatically provision Debian Jessie 64-bit, upgrade the OS,
install all GIMP development dependencies, and build GIMP.  It builds babl,
gegl, and gimp from the master branch.

After logging in, open a terminal and open the latest development version
of GIMP by typing "gimp-2.9".

All of the GIMP user settings are stored in ~/.config/GIMP/2.9.

Right now only babl, gegl, and gimp are cloned.  Some other ideas I have
around this include cloning all of the GIMP project repositories (including
the website, etc.).

Please tell me your thoughts/feedback/ideas.

SAM (irc nickname samrocketman)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Call for Participation: Libre Graphics Meeting 2015

[Sam Gleske]

I'll be submitting a presentation for the GIMP build system soon.
https://build.gimp.org/

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Femke Snelting 
wrote:

> It is that time of the year again! Your proposals for talks and/or
> workshops are very welcome for the tenth edition of LGM.
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Femke
>
> /
>
> *Libre Graphics Meeting 2015: Beyond The First Decade*
> http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/call-for-participation/
>
> The tenth annual international Libre Graphics Meeting 2015 will take place
> 29 April – 2 May 2015 in Toronto, Canada.
> This yearly event is an occasion for teams and individual
> contributors/artists involved in Libre Graphics to work together, to share
> experiences and to hear about new ideas.
>
> By Libre Graphics we mean Free, Libre and Open Source tools for design,
> illustration, photography, typography, art, graphics, page  layout,
> publishing, cartography, animation, video, interactive media, generative
> graphics and visual live-coding. The Libre Graphics Meeting is not just
> about software, but extends to standards, file formats and  actual use of
> these in creative work.
>
> We are looking for:
>
> * In-depth presentations of Libre Graphics code-contributions
> * Showcases of excellent work made using Libre Graphics tools
> * New and experimental projects in this area to meet the wider community
> * Reports, use-cases, best practices
> * Talks that show the accomplishments and strides that Libre Graphics has
> made in its first decade and what it can do next
>
> Available formats (times include Q&A):
>
> * Lightning talk (7 minutes, selected at the event unconference style)
> * Presentations (20 minutes)
> * Entry for State of the Libre Graphics Union (1-2 slides)
> * Workshops (1 or 2 hours)*
> * Birds Of a Feather (BOF), discussion meetings or Hackathons (2 hrs or
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>
> *State of the Libre Graphics Union*
> We will kick off the event with a joint session that sums up all  things
> that have happened in our wide landscape over the last year.  Instead of
> slots in the schedule for general updates on each and every  Libre Graphics
> project, we invite you to submit a maximum of two slides,  showcasing new
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>
> *Special focus: Beyond The First Decade*
> Because 2015 marks the tenth edition of LGM, the focus this year is on the
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> travelled, and where it might go in the next ten years. We welcome
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> full-fledged software packages, to artist-built scripts, to art and
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Re: [Gimp-user] Anyone willing to contribute a Mac build slave?

[Sam Gleske]

I'm not familiar with the person you're referring.  Can you please elaborate?

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 11:34 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Sam Gleske wrote:
>> 
>> Is there anyone willing to host a 24x7 Mac OS X nightly build slave?
> 
> Apart from the person who had already volunteered to?
> 
> Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] Anyone willing to contribute a Mac build slave?

[Sam Gleske]

Hi Pat,
Thanks for responding.  Regarding other requirements I'm not sure.  It will be 
a learning process for me because I've not built GIMP on a Mac before.  I'll 
follow up by sending you my public key so that you can create a user for me to 
log in via SSH.  Would you be willing to give my user administrator rights so 
that I can manage it?  What version of Mac OS is it running?

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 11:16 PM, Pat David  wrote:
> 
> I have a Mac you can use. Are there any other requirements on the machine?
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:25 PM Sam Gleske  wrote:
>> Hello GIMP users,
>> Is there anyone willing to host a 24x7 Mac OS X nightly build slave?  This 
>> would be added as a build slave to the GIMP Jenkins environment currently 
>> hosted at https://build.gimp.org/.
>> 
>> If you're a willing candidate you would need to donate the Mac, allow it to 
>> run a Jenkins agent 24x7, and provide me remote access to it for 
>> administration.  I will, for the most part, set up all of the prerequisites 
>> (so long as I can set them up via ssh) and do all of the configuring in the 
>> build server.  I would also provide ongoing maintenance of the system.
>> 
>> Please let me know,
>> Sam Gleske
>> 
>> https://build.gimp.org/user/samrocketman/
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[Gimp-user] Anyone willing to contribute a Mac build slave?

[Sam Gleske]

Hello GIMP users,
Is there anyone willing to host a 24x7 Mac OS X nightly build slave?  This 
would be added as a build slave to the GIMP Jenkins environment currently 
hosted at https://build.gimp.org/.

If you're a willing candidate you would need to donate the Mac, allow it to run 
a Jenkins agent 24x7, and provide me remote access to it for administration.  I 
will, for the most part, set up all of the prerequisites (so long as I can set 
them up via ssh) and do all of the configuring in the build server.  I would 
also provide ongoing maintenance of the system.

Please let me know,
Sam Gleske

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Re: [Gimp-user] Text is coming out blurry

[Sam Gleske]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:33 PM, MrR-dotcom  wrote:
>
> I created an image of 1 inch W & 0.5 inch H, I used pixels of 11 for the
> text
> and initially the image turned out clear and it was fine.
>
> I used the wrong background so I ended up redoing the whole process. I
> guess I
> deleted the original image (the one with the incorrect background) I
> didn't know
> how (@ the time) to just change the background without redoing the whole
> processanyway...now I am unable to get clear text on my image , it
> comes out
> blurry in some areas & some text comes out perfect (or near perfect).
>

Typically layers are used for this.  You use the text tool and one layer is
just for text.  You also have a background layer in which you can change
the color.  Are you familiar with layers?  If not, check out this
documentation.

Text management (and using the Text Tool)
http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-image-text-management.html

An introduction to Layers.
http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-image-combining.html#gimp-concepts-layers

The bucket fill tool is typically used for solid fill backgrounds.
http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-tool-bucket-fill.html

SAM

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Re: [Gimp-user] FAQ: Does the GIMP license permit to do x?

[Sam Gleske]

Also FWIW,
I just spent the last few minutes (maybe 5-10 mins) looking for the GIMP
software license (while pretending I did not know that it was located with
the source code).  There needs to be a Legal link on the front page (either
in the main menu or at the bottom of the page in the footer menu) where
links to all associated licenses can be found in one place.

The links could include:
wgo website source license
GNU Free Documentation License for the Documentation
GNU GPLv3 for GIMP software itself.

Additionally the FSF provides a handy little quick guide to the GPLv3 [1].

I think we should make finding the licenses on the website easier for those
who are interested.  It is essentially a central page to find all things
legal related to GIMP.  Perhaps, on the hypothetical "Legal" page when
there's a link to the GPLv3 also provide a link to the GPLv3 quick guide
[1] to ease its consumption.

SAM

[1]: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html



On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Sam Gleske  wrote:

> *accidentally skipped the ML in my reply*
>
>
> The point was the license is covered in legalese.  There's nothing wrong
> with humanizing in layman's terms and stating that in terms of
> contradiction the actual license take precedence.  Look at creative
> commons.  They break out a few key points of their licenses and then link
> to the full license for legal consumption.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mark Bourne <
> gimp-users.mbou...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>
>> IANAL, but...
>>
>> Since GIMP is released under GPL, would it not be better to point to
>> existing info and FAQs (e.g. http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html)
>> rather than reinventing it?
>>
>> Whatever is done, surely it needs to be carefully checked (possibly with
>> legal advice) to ensure it's consistent with the actual conditions. For
>> example (not an exhaustive review, just a quick glance through) taking a
>> few items from the list below:
>>
>>
>>  Can GIMP be freely distributed on physical media (CD, DVD, Magazine) or
>>> digital media (download from a third party website)? Yes
>>>
>> Does this not come with the proviso that source code is also made
>> available?
>>
>>
>>  Can GIMP be modified and freely distributed?  Yes but it is recommended
>>> (not required) to change the branding in cases of heavy modification so
>>> that the GIMP brand is not affected by usage of your modified version.
>>>
>> Doesn't the license *require* that modified versions make clear that they
>> are modified (Section 5a)?
>>
>>  [license]: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/COPYING
>>>
>> Isn't the publicised license the one at http://www.gimp.org/about/COPYING
>> ?
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
>> Sam Gleske wrote:
>>
>>> Do you or anyone else on the list have thoughts about this?  I think a
>>> quick overview page would be a great idea for people reviewing GIMP for
>>> regular usage.  What are some thoughts of others?  Agree or disagree (and
>>> why)?
>>>
>>> SAM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Sam Gleske 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM, scl  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  from time to time we are asked whether the GIMP license
>>>>> permits to do this or that, for instance publish GIMP
>>>>> created art or redistribute GIMP.
>>>>>
>>>>> GIMP itself is licensed under the [GNU General Public
>>>>> License, version 3], the GIMP libraries are licensed under
>>>>> the [GNU Lesser General Public License, version 3].
>>>>> Both describe the usage conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it would be good creating a highlights page for publishers.
>>>> Sort of like a faq addressing common concerns.  e.g.
>>>>
>>>> Can GIMP be freely distributed on physical media (CD, DVD, Magazine) or
>>>> digital media (download from a third party website)? Yes
>>>>
>>>> Can GIMP be modified and freely distributed?  Yes but it is recommended
>>>> (not required) to change the branding in cases of heavy modification so
>>>> that the GIMP brand is not affected by usage of your modified version.
>>>>
>>>> Can GIMP be used for commercial purposes? Yes
>>>>
>>>> Can works created in GIMP be sold? Yes.  Works created in GIMP are
>>>> entirely owned by the creator of the work 

Re: [Gimp-user] FAQ: Does the GIMP license permit to do x?

[Sam Gleske]

*accidentally skipped the ML in my reply*

The point was the license is covered in legalese.  There's nothing wrong
with humanizing in layman's terms and stating that in terms of
contradiction the actual license take precedence.  Look at creative
commons.  They break out a few key points of their licenses and then link
to the full license for legal consumption.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mark Bourne <
gimp-users.mbou...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> IANAL, but...
>
> Since GIMP is released under GPL, would it not be better to point to
> existing info and FAQs (e.g. http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html) rather
> than reinventing it?
>
> Whatever is done, surely it needs to be carefully checked (possibly with
> legal advice) to ensure it's consistent with the actual conditions. For
> example (not an exhaustive review, just a quick glance through) taking a
> few items from the list below:
>
>
>  Can GIMP be freely distributed on physical media (CD, DVD, Magazine) or
>> digital media (download from a third party website)? Yes
>>
> Does this not come with the proviso that source code is also made
> available?
>
>
>  Can GIMP be modified and freely distributed?  Yes but it is recommended
>> (not required) to change the branding in cases of heavy modification so
>> that the GIMP brand is not affected by usage of your modified version.
>>
> Doesn't the license *require* that modified versions make clear that they
> are modified (Section 5a)?
>
>  [license]: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/COPYING
>>
> Isn't the publicised license the one at http://www.gimp.org/about/COPYING?
>
> Mark.
>
>
> Sam Gleske wrote:
>
>> Do you or anyone else on the list have thoughts about this?  I think a
>> quick overview page would be a great idea for people reviewing GIMP for
>> regular usage.  What are some thoughts of others?  Agree or disagree (and
>> why)?
>>
>> SAM
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Sam Gleske  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM, scl  wrote:
>>>
>>>  from time to time we are asked whether the GIMP license
>>>> permits to do this or that, for instance publish GIMP
>>>> created art or redistribute GIMP.
>>>>
>>>> GIMP itself is licensed under the [GNU General Public
>>>> License, version 3], the GIMP libraries are licensed under
>>>> the [GNU Lesser General Public License, version 3].
>>>> Both describe the usage conditions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be good creating a highlights page for publishers.
>>> Sort of like a faq addressing common concerns.  e.g.
>>>
>>> Can GIMP be freely distributed on physical media (CD, DVD, Magazine) or
>>> digital media (download from a third party website)? Yes
>>>
>>> Can GIMP be modified and freely distributed?  Yes but it is recommended
>>> (not required) to change the branding in cases of heavy modification so
>>> that the GIMP brand is not affected by usage of your modified version.
>>>
>>> Can GIMP be used for commercial purposes? Yes
>>>
>>> Can works created in GIMP be sold? Yes.  Works created in GIMP are
>>> entirely owned by the creator of the work to do whatever they wish.
>>>
>>> Can the GIMP logo be used as part of my event XYZ? Yes/No?  Just coming
>>> up
>>> with another question at this point.
>>>
>>> For more details about the rights provided to you by using GIMP see the
>>> [GNU General Public License version 3][license]
>>>
>>> [license]: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/COPYING
>>>
>>> The idea is you extract all of the legalese out of the conversation and
>>> filter it down to what people care about.  By people I mean those who are
>>> considering to use GIMP for whatever purpose.
>>>
>>> SAM
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Gimp-user] FAQ: Does the GIMP license permit to do x?

[Sam Gleske]

Do you or anyone else on the list have thoughts about this?  I think a
quick overview page would be a great idea for people reviewing GIMP for
regular usage.  What are some thoughts of others?  Agree or disagree (and
why)?

SAM


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Sam Gleske  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM, scl  wrote:
>
>> from time to time we are asked whether the GIMP license
>> permits to do this or that, for instance publish GIMP
>> created art or redistribute GIMP.
>>
>> GIMP itself is licensed under the [GNU General Public
>> License, version 3], the GIMP libraries are licensed under
>> the [GNU Lesser General Public License, version 3].
>> Both describe the usage conditions.
>>
>
> I wonder if it would be good creating a highlights page for publishers.
> Sort of like a faq addressing common concerns.  e.g.
>
> Can GIMP be freely distributed on physical media (CD, DVD, Magazine) or
> digital media (download from a third party website)? Yes
>
> Can GIMP be modified and freely distributed?  Yes but it is recommended
> (not required) to change the branding in cases of heavy modification so
> that the GIMP brand is not affected by usage of your modified version.
>
> Can GIMP be used for commercial purposes? Yes
>
> Can works created in GIMP be sold? Yes.  Works created in GIMP are
> entirely owned by the creator of the work to do whatever they wish.
>
> Can the GIMP logo be used as part of my event XYZ? Yes/No?  Just coming up
> with another question at this point.
>
> For more details about the rights provided to you by using GIMP see the
> [GNU General Public License version 3][license]
>
> [license]: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/COPYING
>
> The idea is you extract all of the legalese out of the conversation and
> filter it down to what people care about.  By people I mean those who are
> considering to use GIMP for whatever purpose.
>
> SAM
>
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Printing a resized Image

[Sam Gleske]

On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Patrick Shanahan 
wrote:

> * fotch  [06-07-14 16:47]:
> > I tried the search engine for an answer but didn't have any luck.  I
> > just resized a basic line drawing image using the resize tool, saved the
> > file and tried to print it.  When doing a print preview I noticed the
> > image is the size of the original.  What have I missed?
>
> search google for your answer, but:  image_size != print_size
> they are not the same thing!
>

It's also better to keep a larger image but modify the dots per inch to
adjust the print size so that a more crisp image is printed at the size you
require.

e.g. you have 3000x2250 px image and you wanted to print a 9x5" photo it
would be better to keep the image the same size and set the DPI to 3000/9 =
333.33 DPI but you would need to calculate and crop the height.  If you
have 2250/333.33DPI = 6.75".  Since that is the case then you should crop
your image and make the height 5*333.33 px = 1666.66px.

As a summary if I wanted to print my large image to a 9x5" printed photo
I'd have to crop it to 3000x1666px and set the print to 333 DPI (dots per
inch) give or take some minor percent error.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] FAQ: Does the GIMP license permit to do x?

[Sam Gleske]

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM, scl  wrote:

> from time to time we are asked whether the GIMP license
> permits to do this or that, for instance publish GIMP
> created art or redistribute GIMP.
>
> GIMP itself is licensed under the [GNU General Public
> License, version 3], the GIMP libraries are licensed under
> the [GNU Lesser General Public License, version 3].
> Both describe the usage conditions.
>

I wonder if it would be good creating a highlights page for publishers.
Sort of like a faq addressing common concerns.  e.g.

Can GIMP be freely distributed on physical media (CD, DVD, Magazine) or
digital media (download from a third party website)? Yes

Can GIMP be modified and freely distributed?  Yes but it is recommended
(not required) to change the branding in cases of heavy modification so
that the GIMP brand is not affected by usage of your modified version.

Can GIMP be used for commercial purposes? Yes

Can works created in GIMP be sold? Yes.  Works created in GIMP are entirely
owned by the creator of the work to do whatever they wish.

Can the GIMP logo be used as part of my event XYZ? Yes/No?  Just coming up
with another question at this point.

For more details about the rights provided to you by using GIMP see the
[GNU General Public License version 3][license]

[license]: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/COPYING

The idea is you extract all of the legalese out of the conversation and
filter it down to what people care about.  By people I mean those who are
considering to use GIMP for whatever purpose.

SAM
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[Gimp-user] Open source retreat for GIMP work?

[Sam Gleske]

https://stripe.com/blog/stripe-open-source-retreat

Worth checking out.
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Re: [Gimp-user] CRASHING!!

[Sam Gleske]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:31 PM, MrsWilson  wrote:

> not exactly sure how to get the link to the file you are requesting


1. Click on start, in the start search menu type "run" without quotes.
2. With the Run dialog open type in "%TMP%" and press enter (without
quotes).
3. You should now be in the folder Partha described and there should be a
file called __gimp-2.8-run.log.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] transition photoshop to gimp

[Sam Gleske]

I can only download the first 600kb of the file funny enough though
GIMP can still open the corrupt image and show two layers :D...  I thought
that was cool.  In any case, either the file is corrupt or something is
wrong with the Dropbox host.


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:55 AM, crumpy_panda  wrote:

> if it wasn´t clear i would appreciate feedback ... concerning the
> structure of
> my file.. and your input on the usability questions ;)
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Software

[Sam Gleske]

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Liam R E Quin  wrote:

> On Tue, 2014-03-04 at 21:03 -0800, Perry & Tracy Beard wrote:
> > I am using GIMP 2.8.0. If CUPS is for Macintosh, I have OS MS Windows
> > 8.1. I keep telling the software that I am using 4 x 6 photo paper,
> > but it still will not print.
>
> OK, so sounds like you're using a Mac, but I don't have one of those so
> I'll have to let someone else answer from here I'm afraid.
>

To correct Liam, OP said he is using Windows, not Mac.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Attn: GIMP

[Sam Gleske]

woot! Philly right here!

SAM


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Jeff Weidemoyer <
jeffweidemo...@adponemansjourney.com> wrote:

> Shlomi Fish,
>
> Thank you for your reply. After I get my budget back on track (GIMP may be
> free, but music gear is most certainly not haha), I will gladly make a
> donation. I know several friends who use it consistently as well. Happy New
> Year to you too!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shlomi Fish [mailto:shlo...@shlomifish.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:27 PM
> To: Jeff Weidemoyer
> Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Attn: GIMP
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 22:30:29 -0500
> "Jeff Weidemoyer"  wrote:
>
> > Attn: GIMP,
> >
> >
> >
> > Firstly, I apologize if this was not the correct email contact. I did
> > not see a better email contact provided in regards to my email content.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a solo musician / songwriter from Lebanon, PA, USA, and I wish to
> > thank you all for being such an important influence to me as I look to
> > continue the journey I have started with my creative project. I
> > wouldn't have been able to create my EP without your great product.  I
> > have been using GIMP for nearly four years, and I have created every
> > single logo I have to my name using your product. They say that the
> > best things in life are free, and with everything your product offers, I
> believe Audacity is one of those "things"
> > that statement is referring to. Admittedly, your product as well as
> > Audacity, are  two of the best free software programs available for
> > any creative person as far as I am concerned.  All of the album
> > artwork, as well as marketing materials I made to support the EP was
> made utilizing GIMP.
> >
> >
>
> I'm glad you like GIMP and found it useful. I believe the GIMP developers
> will appreciate a donation, but, naturally, you are not obligated to make
> one.
>
> Good luck, and Happy New Year!
>
> >
> > I plan to release a third EP, and 24 full-length albums over the next
> > 24 years of my creative career. Unless any unforeseen circumstances
> > come up, I plan to continue using your products throughout the
> > entirety of my musical career. I hope I can help to bring even more
> > pride and respect to your already reputable brand through my music.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://adponemansjourney.bandcamp.com (Free instant-download)
> >
>
> Thanks for the link. I downloaded the album (without paying) and I am
> going to listen to it. If I like it enough, then I may make a donation.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Shlomi Fish (a GIMP contributor and coder, but certainly not a
> core developer).
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Why so COMPLICATED?

[Sam Gleske]

Original message below.  I see a good feature recommendation here.  Sliders
for fuzzy selection in the select Tool Options dialogs.  I think it would
be useful.


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:34 PM, SirCrow  wrote:

> Hello.  I've tried using GIMP many times, yet I've accomplished very
> little,
> given all of GIMP's functionality.  For example:
>
> If I want to select part of an image and copy it to another area or to a
> new
> image/layer, and also FEATHER the edges, here's how I'd do it in an old
> graphics
> app I often used years ago:
>
> 1. Select the area.
> 2. Hold Ctrl while moving selection with Move tool.
> 3. Use the slider to soften the edges to my liking.
> 4. Press Enter to anchor selection.  Done.
>
> And there were sliders also for opacity and other things.  So very SIMPLE
> because the prog. was designed very intuitively.  How would I accomplish
> the
> same in GIMP?  Well, most of the time, I WOULD ACCOMPLISH NOTHING!  At
> best, I'd
> enter values into the box, not like the result, enter new values, repeat.
>  And
> that's on a good day.
>
> PLEASE, I beg you, somebody write a SCRIPT/PLUGIN that allows the use of
> sliders
> exactly as described above!  I desperately want to be a HAPPY GIMP user,
> but I'm
> growing ever more hopeless.  I don't want to turn on my older PC just to
> use a
> graphics app that actually lets me get things done.  Thank you.
>
> Joe
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

[Sam Gleske]

I accidentally replied off list

-- Forwarded message --
From: Sam Gleske 
Date: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every
startup
To: physoc 


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:17 AM, physoc  wrote:

> >I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been
> >unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins'
> >in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it
> >skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs at the next one.
> >After ten-minutes of closing/ running/ hanging.etc., I gave-up!
> >Free software is fine if it works, if it doesn't it's just a few
> >deleted bits in the Recycle Bin
>
> OK, problem identified and fixed. My problem was with ZONE ALARM firewall
> settings. It required GIMP access to be set manually to allow internet
> access.
> This maybe what is causing the problem with others. Check any firewall
> settings.
>

 If that's the case I think you should discuss it with gimp-developer
list.  If there truly are programs "phoning home" in the plugins I don't
believe that is either necessary nor a desired behaviour.  Even if is what
is intended it should not bring down the whole program so I would consider
that a bug.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Question On Gimp

[Sam Gleske]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Michael Tidwell  wrote:

> Okay I am no computer wiz!  I just want to take an image of a military dog
> tag and an image of a sniper and make the sniper image fit the shape of the
> dog tag and for the life of me can't figure out if Gimp even does this.
>  Can you please advise me if it does and how?
>

GIMP was designed with image manipulation in mind.  So in short, yes you
can do this.  Without some sample images it's a little hard to explain
how.  But essentially you should start small by trying to do some
tutorials.  As you learn about the different tools in GIMP's toolset you'll
soon be able to accomplish what you wish on your own.

A quick google search for "gimp tutorials" comes up with some useful
results.

e.g. http://gimp-tutorials.net/
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Re: [Gimp-user] Save vs export separate discussion forum needed

[Sam Gleske]

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Richard Gitschlag <
strata_ran...@hotmail.com> wrote:\
>
> Part of the annoyance was recently stated by another user:  If your
> particular GIMP workflow (for whatever reason) has little to no need of XCF
> file storage, GIMP still bombards you with "Save changes?" dialogs every
> time you close an image after doing your work on it.  Even months or years
> after mentally adjusting to the Export command, this dialog persists and
> you learn to ignore it out of simple habit -- GIMP is crying wolf.  That is
> bad.
>
>
I agree with this sentiment about asking to save too often.  Though I do
like the new export feature when I'm not working with XCF it is a bit of an
annoyance.


> IMHO GIMP could benefit from re-instating the user preference that was
> "confirm closing of unsaved images", but not as it previously was.  The
> preference would still be enabled by default, but if it's disabled, then
> for a given image:
> - If the image belongs to an XCF file, GIMP ignores the preference and
> always prompts for unsaved changes (saving them to the XCF file, of course).
> - If there is no XCF file associated with the image (typical of
> import/export/overwrite type workflow), GIMP will only prompt to save
> changes if there are changes since the last export.  If there are none,
> GIMP will not prompt the user (crying wolf scenario).
>

I was thinking about this as well.  I think it would be a nice preference
to have.  It wouldn't change the UI but would modify the repetitive "save
your work" routine.  I've actually accidentally closed unsaved changes on
that for minor tweaks.  While it's no big deal because it was an easily
repeatable action it's still something I had to take the time to do over
again and disrupts my workflow in that specific scenario.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] ECCN #

[Sam Gleske]

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Kisiah, Matt  wrote:

> My company requires me to get a ECCN number for all applications.  We are
> looking to use this application and I was wondering if you have a ECCN
> number.
>

According to the US Bureau of Industry and Security you can create your own
ECCN to classify the software.

http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/do_i_needaneccn.html

Also, this is a publicly archived mailing list so your statement of
confidentiality won't apply here (and generally doesn't apply on the
internet due to packet sniffing).  I just wanted you to be aware of that.

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Re: [Gimp-user] How to Install GIMP User Manual?

[Sam Gleske]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:51 PM, scl  wrote:

> Did you really get it running and if yes, how?
>

I'm not on a Mac myself (Linux).  I was just trying to do some research leg
work on possible help packages that *might* work.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to Install GIMP User Manual?

[Sam Gleske]

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:23 PM, scl  wrote:

> On 09.07.13 at 03:29 Sam Gleske wrote:
>
>> You should get GIMP from gimp.org whenever possible.
>>
>
> You're right and usually this is the advice I (or we from the GIMP team)
> give. Unfortunately the OS X build we usually recommend hasn't
> released version 2.8.6 (yet) and all attempts to get the previous 2.8.4
> build working with a manually installed help failed for me.
>

Did you grab the help files from here?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimponosx/files/

That is the sf.net repository of gimp.lisanet.de.  Inside that zip file is
an installer.pkg which I assume works along side the rest of the install.

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Re: [Gimp-user] How to Install GIMP User Manual?

[Sam Gleske]

You should get GIMP from gimp.org whenever possible.  What operating system
are you using Mike?  If we know that then people can stop throwing out
blanket guesses of support and we can actually get you the right
information you need.

SAM


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Mike Wann  wrote:

> Let me apologize first for not knowing how to use "gimp-user-list" to
> post. I am not sure I am doing it correctly (how do I access list?).
>
> That said, your information is spot-on. I may uninstall/delete GIMP I
> downloaded and re-download from gimp.lisa.net.de because I did not
> download from that source.
>
> Thanks…Mike
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:45 PM, scl  wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > On OS X:
> > If you got your GIMP from gimp.lisanet.de, then
> > 1. go to the Download section there,
> > 2. scroll down to 'GIMP 2.8 user manual',
> > 3. download the user manual of your language,
> > 4. unzip the downloaded manual and install the unzipped installer
> package.
> >
> > If you got it for instance from the GIMP download site:
> > Unfortunately I don't see a ready-to-use help.
> > Perhaps the packager of the OS X GIMP build can include it?
> > Otherwise you will have to use the online help from the internet.
> >
> > On Linux:
> > Install the GIMP help packages in the package manager of your
> > distribution. On Debian this is gimp-help-common +
> gimp-help-$your_language, on OpenSuse and Fedora gimp-help.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Sven
> >
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Re: [Gimp-user] HELP

[Sam Gleske]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alyn McConnaha wrote:

> Please give me some simple, quick help with fixing a flower pic with a
> small white dot in the center of the flower. I am NOT a skilled computer
> geek. I am planning to enter this rose pic in competition a member of Ugly
> Hedge Hog said GIMP could do repairs.
> 
>

Hi Alyn,
It is not customary to publish your email address in the mailing list
requesting help off list.  We can all easily see your email in the email
headers of your message.  I recommend you upload the image to a sharing
site (or your own hosting) asking for how you can do what you ask.  I'll
help you along the way and show you what tools will do what you ask but I
won't do it outright for you.  Since it is a pic to be entered in a
competition you should really do the work yourself after consulting with us
on how to accomplish what you ask.

You should start by checking out the clone tool and the healing tool.  Here
are links to the documentation for learning their use.

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-tool-clone.html

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-tool-heal.html

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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

[Sam Gleske]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Oh, and being smarter doesn't make you a better person. Your smarter than
> > you is still corrosive and self-satisfied.
>
> You see, I never claimed to be a good person. I'm not even remotely
> interested in looking like one.
>
> Alexandre Prokoudine
>

It's too bad I can't force quit a list thread like I can processes.  At any
rate this discussion is stale.  Quit the whimpering and Alexandre enough of
the attitude.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] Topic Change: GEGL abstraction Was:GIMP app?

[Sam Gleske]

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't understand why you are trying to insist on UI change as one of
> GEGL points.
>
> Yes, one could create an entirely new image editor based on GEGL. In
> fact, there's at least one such project. But that is simply not the
> reason we use GEGL in GIMP. I don't know how else to explain that.
>

I'm not insisting on changing anything in GIMP.  Reread what I said.  My
question was not adequately answered so I continued discussion.

I merely asked if one of the reasons for the creation of GEGL was to
abstract graphical manipulation functions out of the GUI into a library.
If that was the case would creating a different GUI on top of it feasible
for getting similar quality of image manipulation?

Your latest response answers my question.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] Topic Change: GEGL abstraction Was:GIMP app?

[Sam Gleske]

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:Oh, I don't know...

>
> 32bit per color channel precision?
> Graph-based non-destructive processing?
>
> :)


Right, it has features.  Being that it's a library is it not to provide
some abstraction and help simplify the implementation?  As it is in a
library, writing another GUI on top of it would be possible and
considerably easier than previous iterations of GIMP.  The user interaction
would change but not the features provided.
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[Gimp-user] Topic Change: GEGL abstraction Was:GIMP app?

[Sam Gleske]

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Michael Natterer  wrote:

> Apple sucks and doesn't allow GPL in the App store.
>

Apple will unofficially allow it but as soon as much as a single
contributor toots the GNU horn about distribution restrictions and license
conflict they'll immediately pull it from the app store (see VLC app pulled
from app store).

GIMP is 90% GUI code and "porting" that would be a complete rewrite.
>

Isn't the purpose of GEGL integration attempting to pull as much of the
graphical functions out of GIMP as possible so that GUI could be switched
but the underlying library has the same quality of image manipulation?

If that's not the case what is the point of GEGL?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension

[Sam Gleske]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:03 PM, maderios wrote:
>
> > I'm getting tired of seeing the word "troll" whenever someone criticizes
> > Gimp
>
> Making deliberately incorrect statements like
>
> > There's no alternate GIMP fork which restores the normal behavior.
>
> qualifies as trolling.
>
> https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp
>

Being misinformed does *not* qualify as trolling.   The way Owen came out
of the gate swinging is what I would consider trolling (stirring up a
fuss).  I wasn't even involved in the discussion until now and I got pissed
when I read his comments.  I think the list can do better than that.  I
don't want our list to end up like the Linux kernel ML where if strict
rules aren't followed newcomers are harassed to no end.  It's very counter
productive and a lot of times why I categorically leave communities.
You'll find it is much harder to expand your developer base if you act
immature like that.  Have some patience.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Sam Gleske]

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Liam R E Quin  wrote:

>
> Why not? "Hey, Julie, do you have the download link for gimp?" "Yeah,
> it's... uh... I can't find it" "I wanted to run gimp on my iPad.."

That's my point.  GIMP doesn't run on anything but desktop
applications.  I don't see the need for a link to download files on a
mobile in our case; iPad included.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Sam Gleske]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Kasim Ahmic  wrote:

> Well here's what I managed to get done today:
> http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMPB/examples/carousel.html
>
> It's basically just a content swap. It still needs to be entirely
> restyled. Also, I found something out. If I change one of the classes, the
> body becomes fluid. The problem with that is the images (the browser icons
> on the page) and the text end up too far apart on the body.
>
> This is the exact reason why I chose to go for a static design. The mockup
> that Mike made doesn't exactly work with a fluid design unfortunately.
> Unless we come up with something different, I'm afraid we'll be stuck with
> a static design.
>
>
Also to pipe in my 2 cents.  I checked the site in a mobile browser.  I
understand it's completely new and totally alpha code.  That being said: I
don't think it's useful for the Download link to show up in the mobile
interface.  Something to think about.  I'm not sure how I'd handle that
(maybe with JavaScript but that's still not desirable).  UserAgents can
easily be parsed on the server side but it sounds like static flat files
generated is favored over server side execution for serving html.

I really like Elle's comments on accessibility.  Just some thoughts and
kicking around.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Sam Gleske]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Sam Gleske  wrote:

> One other thing I'd like to add.  Your html doesn't pass the W3C
> Validation Service.  I think we should follow the HTML5 standard.  Here's a
> quick URL for your convenience.
>
>
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fkasimahmic.koding.com%2Fworks%2FGIMP%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
>
>
I went ahead and changed your code so that it validates.  I've provided
both a revised validated file and a diff to show the changes.  See the
attached files index_validated.html and index_validated.diff.

I also recommend you validating your CSS if you can (sometimes that's not
always possible).

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Sam Gleske]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kasim Ahmic  wrote:

> How about if I add a "Recent News" section between the body and footer?
> Sort of a small feed that shows the 3-5 latest articles. I'll probably also
> add a twitter feed (should the GIMP devs want to tweet their progress) and
> a latest books feed or something along those lines. I've updated the demo
> with this but for now it's just to show where the feeds would go. No
> styling has actually been added yet.
>
>
That's a pretty cool idea.  Considering the space allotted for it I think
only 1 article would be enough.  If I see that one article has changed I
would go to the news feed to read more news :).


Oh and I'm not sure if you guys are thanking me for making the site or for
> designing it. If it's for the latter, then please know that I had no part
> in it's designing. That was all Mike Finch.
>

Ah I forgot Mike Finch was the designer; nice shout out.  I give props to
both of you.  Nice design and good conversion from template -> html.

One other thing I'd like to add.  Your html doesn't pass the W3C Validation
Service.  I think we should follow the HTML5 standard.  Here's a quick URL
for your convenience.

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fkasimahmic.koding.com%2Fworks%2FGIMP%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Sam Gleske]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Sam Gleske  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Kevin Cozens  wrote:
>
>> It looks good but you could tighten up the design. It uses a lot of space
>> for little information, but that may be in part that it is a sample of the
>> appearance of the front page without the final content.
>
>
> I don't think it's that big of an issue.  We live in an age of high
> resolution monitors.  Higher resolution images would be good to take
> advantage of that.  Personally I like the current site design (on gimp.org);
> primarily because I enjoy reading the GIMP news as soon as I get to the
> site (which I avidly check even though it's not updated very often).  For
> me it just means more clicks to get to news.  I guess I'll just depend on
> my RSS feed as it's not that big of a deal.
>
> However I like how Kasim emphasizes features on the front page which
> beckons users to try it out.  The only thing I would like to see changed is
> the text, "Play with the Tools of the Trade."  I don't like that because it
> implies that there is no need to take GIMP seriously as a professional
> editing tool or that it's a free trial to "play" with before using the real
> thing.  I'm tired of hearing people say GIMP isn't as good as Photoshop.
> They just haven't used GIMP enough.  You need to unlearn Photoshop to
> really take advantage of GIMP.  I think GIMP is already ready for the prime
> time just industry doesn't take the time to learn a new tool.  I would like
> to suggest you changing that text to, "Draft with the Tools of the Trade."
> This let's users know that it's there for the taking yet allows
> professionals to take it seriously as a tool to get work done.
>
> If we're really going forward with this redesign thanks for considering
> any of my thoughts.
>

To add on to my previous statements I'd like the front page to be edited a
bit more.  I'll quote the previous text and then follow that with what I
would like to see it say.   Note:

> *Professional Level Photo Filters*
> Make your photos picture perfect with with prefessional-grade color
filtering.
>
> *Play with the Tools of the Trade*
> GIMP comes ready with everything you need to design like a pro.

- Suggested Changes

*Professional Photo Filters*
Make your photos picture perfect with professional-grade color filtering.

*Draft with the Tools of the Trade*
GIMP has a robust set of tools and can be easily extended through add-ons.

- Notes

On the second sentence of the first line I correct your misspelling of
"prefessional."

Avoid the word 'comes' as it implies humans traveling (to come and go).
Again emphasize that GIMP brings a lot to the table.  Having a robust set
of tools is good for both users and professionals a-like.  Easily extending
functionality through add-ons caters to real power users of the tool.

I try to think of the psychology behind the advertising since the first
page is something everybody sees I think this redesign will ultimately make
GIMP more popular.  Especially with high bit depth editing coming to the
table in future versions (which I look forward to!).

Thanks for taking the time Kasim to put a lot of thought into your design
and asking for feedback.

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Sam Gleske]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Kevin Cozens  wrote:

> On 13-04-11 06:33 AM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
>
>> Over at the Web List I've posted this redesign that I made from Mike
>> Finch's mockup.
>>
>> http://kasimahmic.koding.com/**works/GIMP/
>>
> [snip]
>
>  So tell me what you guys think of it so far!
>>
>
> It looks good but you could tighten up the design. It uses a lot of space
> for little information, but that may be in part that it is a sample of the
> appearance of the front page without the final content.


I don't think it's that big of an issue.  We live in an age of high
resolution monitors.  Higher resolution images would be good to take
advantage of that.  Personally I like the current site design (on gimp.org);
primarily because I enjoy reading the GIMP news as soon as I get to the
site (which I avidly check even though it's not updated very often).  For
me it just means more clicks to get to news.  I guess I'll just depend on
my RSS feed as it's not that big of a deal.

However I like how Kasim emphasizes features on the front page which
beckons users to try it out.  The only thing I would like to see changed is
the text, "Play with the Tools of the Trade."  I don't like that because it
implies that there is no need to take GIMP seriously as a professional
editing tool or that it's a free trial to "play" with before using the real
thing.  I'm tired of hearing people say GIMP isn't as good as Photoshop.
They just haven't used GIMP enough.  You need to unlearn Photoshop to
really take advantage of GIMP.  I think GIMP is already ready for the prime
time just industry doesn't take the time to learn a new tool.  I would like
to suggest you changing that text to, "Draft with the Tools of the Trade."
This let's users know that it's there for the taking yet allows
professionals to take it seriously as a tool to get work done.

If we're really going forward with this redesign thanks for considering any
of my thoughts.

SAM
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp App for Android and IOS!

[Sam Gleske]

Apple's App Store license is incompatible with the GNU GPL (all versions).
Apple would allow the license conflict but a contributor could contest it
and it would be pulled from the app store (much like what happened to VLC
for iPhone).  For now a great graphics program in the App store is Art
Studio for iPad .  I've got that
one and found it very easy to use knowing how to use Gimp.

Other than that, I doubt Gimp will ever come to the iOS App Store unless
Apple modifies it's terms to be GNU GPL friendly.  Email Apple about it
with the request.

SAM

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Ryan LaRose  wrote:

> You guys should develop a Gimp App for Android phone/tablet users as well
> as Iphone/Ipad users. Your app would destroy every single other app out
> there. I can't tell you enough how many of my friends said they wish gimp
> had an app. Thanks.
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-web] Free licenses by gimp ?

[Sam Gleske]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Fixed in Git and, with luck, on the server.
>

I verified the change.  It's committed to the website.
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