Re: [Goanet] Portuguese love for Goans!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible I guess Domnic's post was just a flame-bait meant to get Goans (and others) to show which side of the 1961 divide they support! My thesis is that some Goanetters (a few, but loudly vocal) believe that colonialism-in-Goa-started-in-1961! Domnic, more seriously, nice to have you back. Your posts add value to Goanet as always. FN
Re: [Goanet] 1. Re: Indian Colonoliasm (Mario Goveia)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Refereing to the US: It is struggling right now because of a misguided experiment in social engineering which started when the government imposed regulations to force banks to lend money to low income people to buy homes. RESPONSE: Social Engineering?? Your posts on a regular basis smack of Social Engineering [1]. Having said that you lack the skills of one K. Mitnick..perhaps for good measure. - B [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(political_science)
[Goanet] Many Happy Returns!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible It's that time of the year again!:-) 10 October - Bosco De Mello - lucid, articulate contributions and well-balanced moderation in Goan cyberspace, Joe GoaUK - a prolific contributor to Goan cyber- space, whose daily chronicling is simply phenomenal, To both these worthies - Many Happy Returns, today! Have a great year! FR. _ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403
[Goanet] Goa's top bananas are migrants
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible A few days ago someone wrote that Goans fail to accept migrants. The fact is Goa's top bananas pre 61 were mainly migrants. Some names such as Shantilal Khusildas, Maganlal, Dhirjlal, Salgaocar, Chowgule, today's riches families (benefiting from Goa's resources) in south Asia are typically ghantis. Even the Rano pirate is from Rajasthan. Besides our town Vasco da Gama was called terra dos ghantis because of the imported labour working at one of the best ports in Asia - Mormugao. Todays migration in Goa is a calamity. No guddi for stopping these chaps coming in. Shortly our land will turn into a large sewage like the black holes called Bombay and Calcutta, while those who are pro migration live in ivory towers in North America relishing Obama's Nobel prize victory:)) BC
[Goanet] Portuguese love for Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible This story is bull crap from this writer. Salazar ordered the destruction of vital points so as to stop the advancement of the invading forces. Governor Vassalo e Silva was prudent enough not to complete all the operations. For this he paid a heavy price in Portugal after being maltreated in the concentration camp run by the invading forces. (Gen Silva was well received by the Goan populace upon his return to Goa in 1981. He was probably the best governor Goans have ever seen). Besides, instead of sending guns and munitions to troops in Goa Salazar sent sausage tins and postas de sardinha. (Ref.: Fim do Seculo - Goa, Damao e Diu). He wanted his troops to fight to the end and probably enjoy a good meal before they were all dead. Chao en Lai invaded northern Ladakh in response to bharat's invasion of Goa. BC We all know how much Saddam Hussein (28/4/1937-30/12/2006,) the late President of Iraq, loved the Kuwaitis. He loved them so much that he decided to destroy the country by setting Kuwaiti oil wells ablaze. Fortunately, experts from the US and other countries were successful in extinguishing the fires and saved Kuwait from total destruction. Similarly, António de Oliveira Salazar (28/4/1889-27/7/1970,) the late President of Portugal, loved Goans so much that he ordered his men to destroy Goa before they left. He had also sent warships to finish Goa but the late Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru's (14/11/1889-27/5/1964) friend, Gamal Abdel Nasser (15/1/1918-28/9/1970,) the late President of Egypt, did not allow the ships to cross the Suez Canal; or else we would have been doomed. Keep in mind India was no where on the world stage when it liberated Goa. In fact, it suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of China the following year. The Portuguese did succeed in blowing up and destroying some bridges before they were purged from Goa. Just like Saddam Hussein
Re: [Goanet] Accords of Timoja
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible -Original Message- From: Bernado Colaco Thanks for the patience in compiling info on the acts of Timoja and the accords with the Portuguese. Brainwashed Goans like Bospam today have ghanti thinking do not know what is darkness and light. RESPONSE: Arre irmao, darkness - when there is no light, sounds elementary, no?? Are you going to give us some references to read or are you going to continue blowing hot air aka the south-asian version of the voice on Goanet for reason, truth and peace. - B
Re: [Goanet] Indira, and India.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Dear Dr. Eric, 1. Only heard of the BC Roy-Birlas episode, but know not much. But one thing we must remember: that save Parsis like Tatas and modern-age GDP producers like Wipro and Infosys (discount Satyam!), MOST successful leaders of industry in free India thrived on favour and graft. And never more than during the Congress regime -- whatever you say about Kantibhai. 2. Sa.Ka Patil. Wasn't that the reason Mumbaites rejected him, in favour of a taximen union leader, George Fernandes, the giant slayer (not even a Marathi Manoos, but a former seminarian migrant from far away Mangalore?) 3. The Tamil thought process (and politics) has always gripped me. The more I got gripped, the less I seemed to have understood! Annadurai, Kamaraj, Karunanidhi, MGR, Jayalalitha ... -v - Original Message - From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: [Goanet] Indira, and India. The reason why Priyadarshani succeeded in throwing off the entire old guard is that she held the purse strings to the party's funds. I was the powercentre, O just a shunniya. And the Mundhra scandal was surely not the first since Aug. 15. - Thank you, Val, and that had her telling us India is Indira ! The other money links were B C Roy - Birla-Calcutta, and our S K Patil - Dalal Street/Share Bazaar. To their credit, they did not enrich themselves, unlike Morarjee, whose son Kantibai was the family bagman and license peddler. Kamraj, the ascetic patriot, had stood up to the secessionist DMK with great dignity, even as he oversaw a Madras Congress transition from the Charis, Swamis and Subramaniams to his own restless Dravid kin. His sudden resignation as CM, coupled with a call for the entire party High Command to give up cabinet posts, produced a public turmoil not seen since the Quit India days of 1942: Morarjee, Patil, Roy and CB Gupta resigned, in short order, decapitating the Cabinet and the 'Government of the Republic of India.' Fearing a move by the President and army, Nehru immediately named Lal Bahdur to his own office, an effective resignation of his own. Soon, he was dead, a bitter and broken man. Had Laljee survived, he would have brought Kamraj to Delhi. Both detested the Moscow fifth column, and our 'socialist' farce would have ended very quickly. India would have become Japan, Taiwan, Korea and Singapore, rolled in one, with genuine free enterprise, not the crony variety that gave us ACC Cement and Birla Motors. eric.
Re: [Goanet] Many Happy Returns!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Next time!:-) Your contribution to Goa, Joe, is far, far greater than what ordinary mortals perceive - on a daily, virtually hourly basis, you are chronicling in the finest detail, every breath of our beloved Goa. Very few understand - even less appreciate the massive effort - all given free of charge, for love. Every day I look at all the marvellous pictures in the finest detail, the beautiful videos captured the previous night with painstaking effort, the evocative articles penned with such sincerity..., and I say to myself - here, unsung and unknown, is one of the greatest of all Goans, who would lay down his life for his motherland, without wishing his name or family even to be known. That rarest of species - the unsung patriot. (only FN comes close!:-) It would have been a great, great honour for me to shake your hand on that Sunday, Joe!:-) May you have a wonderful year ahead, and may mother Goa bless you abundantly in return. Kind regards, FR http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ --- Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:00:59 + From: joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [GOAN-NRI] Many Happy Returns! To: fcarodrig...@hotmail.com CC: bo...@goanet.org Thank you Francis Actually, I was in the line.. I thought I would at least shake hand with the great man for his greatest konkani music book (in the name of taking your autograph) in black box Goa. Sadly, you choose the waiting media people disapointing us few. So close yet too far --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Francis Rodrigues wrote: From: Francis Rodrigues Subject: [GOAN-NRI] Many Happy Returns! To: goan-...@yahoogroups.co.in Date: Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 12:14 PM It's that time of the year again!:-) 10 October - Bosco De Mello - lucid, articulate contributions and well-balanced moderation in Goan cyberspace, Joe GoaUK - a prolific contributor to Goan cyber- space, whose daily chronicling is simply phenomenal, To both these worthies - Many Happy Returns, today! Have a great year! FR. _ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404
[Goanet] Is Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for India's communal tensions?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible A few days back, during the heat of Subodh Kerkar’s “Ganesha” Art Exhibition controversy, the “Sunaparanta Goa Centre For Arts” organized a Panel discussion on the topic of “Freedom of Speech and Expression”. The Panelists, Dr Subodh Kerkar, Venita Coelho, Vidhyadhar Gadgil and Geoffrey Witte voiced their individual opinions on the subject and thereafter indulged in a fruitful interaction with the audience. I was a part of the audience which was reasonably large. Amongst other recognizable faces were Frederick Noronha, Vivek Menezes, Cecil Pinto, Shrikant Barve and Rajiv D’ Silva. While the scope of the discussions generally centered on the topic of “Free Expression”, the discussions for a short moment degenerated into a debate on ‘Secularism’ and ‘Communalism’, courtesy Frederick Noronha. I always thought that Frederick was a rationalist but I found his logic on that day peculiar and highly absurd to say the least. Frederick’s logic was akin to the logic used by ‘Bernard Simoes’ who blamed Darwin for racism, Nazism, Fascism, Communism, genocides and terrorism of the whole World in his article that appeared in the Herald some 3 weeks back. Frederick similarly tried to pin the blame for India's conflicts, rioting, strife and communalism on Jawaharlal Nehru, by making the meaningless claim that Nehru’s policy of promoting science and rationalism were the root causes of all of India’s evils. To make a strong case against atheism, Frederick cherry picked the examples of Jinnah and Advani. To make a strong case in favour of religion, he cherry picked the example of Gandhi ignoring all the other religious fundamentalists who are operating in the Indian space. Fortunately, there were no religious fundamentalists - Hindu, Christian or Muslim - present there on that day. Had they been there, they would surely have garlanded him and declared him a hero. Such were his postures in favour of religion and against the principles of atheism, rationalism and science. I have no personal issues with Frederick Noronha. I am posting the discussions here because I disagree with such thoughts, which I believe are ridiculous and need to be nipped in the bud. The whole concept of Secularism was born when people revolted against the Religious Orders. Until then, we had no rights, freedoms and liberties. Women were burnt on the pyres of their husbands or on the suspicion of being witches. Humans were treated as untouchables because of their caste or skin-colour. Principles of Free Speech and Expression were virtually non-existent. Those who challenged religious concepts were tortured and even killed. Why is Frederick making baseless assertions while ignoring the ugly realities of religion? Can History be ignored, can the truth be suppressed? Is it fair to blame Jawaharlal Nehru, decades after his death, for India’s communal tensions? cheers Sandeep
[Goanet] The Cardinal who pulled the rug on Goa!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Sorry it is no more an allegation. Read the book by Frank Moraes. A traitor is a traitor forget the caste. BC Very easy to make all kinds of allegations without naming names! I sometimes suspect the condescending attitude towards Valerian Cardinal Gracias, in part at least, stems from the fact that he didn't belong to the Catholic caste elite that long dominated Goa. FN
[Goanet] Daily Grook #539
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible DAILY GROOK #539 === FLEET CHEAT === by Francis Rodrigues mediums deceive thru dud trances, by taking leave of their seances! http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com Going to GOA? GREATEST KONKANI SONGBOOKsheet-music,tab, lyrics, chords, of great Konkani film pop hits, mandos. PEDRO FERNANDES: Panjim GPO; Margao Stn. Rd. Tel.2226642 FURTADOS: Panjim opp-Monginis;Margao Grace C.Tel.2223278 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119017685910 _ New! Open Messenger faster on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677405
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1071
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Dear All I support Sebastian's campaign against the devastation of the environment in Goa. Drastic and urgent measures to protect forests in Goa should be seen as part of India's agenda to mitigate the effects of Climate Change. We are now witnessing the results of irregularities and mistakes made by MoEF in the process of giving Environmental Clearances to mining in forest areas in Goa. They need to be corrected , before the environmental destruction becomes irreversible. All the 400 or so new mining concessions should be frozen, until an independent investigation is carried out about the legality of those concessions in view of the irregularities of the environment clearances. In my view, Environmental Clearances in forested areas must be immediately revoked. And please note, I am referring to the so called legal concessions. Never mind the dozens of illegal mining going on! The fact that a considerable number of govt. ministers in Goa have direct or indirect involvement in the mining business is a serious obstacle to environmental considerations and protection of forests in Goa. How can anyone hold a portfolio of forests in one hand and the private business portfolio of mining exploration on the other and be serious ? I recently spent 3 weeks visiting the mining belt in Goa and talking to people - right from the Minister of Environment and various goverment officials, mine owners, NGOs, activists and communities at grass roots. Not a pretty picture! Only swift and drastic measures will arrest the process of environmental destruction in Goa. We must demand immediate action from the Ministry of Environment and Forests . Carmen Miranda From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Massive deforestation in Sivsorem, Rivona, Goa Message-ID: blu131-w29ca9b2b597064ea85a0a7de...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 According to the reports just coming in there is massive destruction of forest in Sivsorem in order to clear way to start open cast iron ore and manganese mining. The mass scale tree cutting is going ahead in the land that is demarcated as mining lease bearing T.C. No. 75/1952 in the name of one Voicunta Canecar of Margao bearing name Chunimolo or Gotifondodatembo covering area of 88.15 hectares of land recorded as in Colamb but existing in Rivona Panchayat jurisdiction covering survey numbers 88/1, 88/2, part of 138, 139, 140, 141, 87/1 and 89. Public Hearing required under the law was held in Sanguem town on 12/12/2006. According to the sources in Forest department that spoke to Ramesh Gaouns on the condition of anonymity they have been granted environmental clearance by Indian Central Government's Ministry of Environment and Forest (MoEF). One of the conservator of Forest who refused to be named spoke to Ramesh Gauns and expressed his helplessness over the destruction of forest in Goa in highly planned manner by MoEF by allotting Environmental Clearances to the mining projects in Goa's Forest Areas. He said is applying for transfer to another place in Goa as he is totally frustrated as the upright forest officers hands are tight from taking any action against mining companies. Conservator of Forest is lucky to have an option to go to another place in the Country but what about people of Goa? Where are we to go if mining companies continue their dangerous trend of transforming this State into draught region by sucking our water bodies and destroying our Forests? May the MoEF withdraw all the Environmental Clearances accorded to the mining companies in the State of Goa. May it be blessed by universe and have change of heart and stop showering misery on the State of Goa. May Indian Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh be enlightened and carry forward the mission to protect Goa and its forest with all the courage and honesty. This is humble prayer from People of Goa. If the Indian Government is so determined to see that Goa is wiped away from the World map we would surely die with smile our face if this will satisfy sadistic pleasures of mining companies and Indian Government. Once upon a time in 1961 on 19 December Indian Government came to Goa as its liberator. Today on in 2009 on 09 October Indian government is need of liberation. May India be liberated. May everyone in this land of India live happy, live in prosperity with misery and cruelty to none - not even to Goa, not even to Jairam Ramesh. Long live Peace! Long live Joy! Long live Happiness! Long live Liberation! Sebastian Rodrigues On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 4:18 AM,
[Goanet] A friend is a star to behold - By Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible A FRIEND IS A STAR TO BEHOLD By Wendell Rodricks I distinctly recall when I first met Noel Lima Leitao. Lucio and Corine Miranda invited Jerome and me for a dinner party at their home in Altinho. Corrine cooked up a storm. Lucio sang like a dream. And we met two new fun guys: Raj Salgaocar and Noel Lima Leitao. They laughed, sang and in general seemed to be having the most fun. At the time I was new to Goa. In the new surroundings of Altinho I was happy to meet new people, far removed from my cocoon in Colvale and the fashionable crowd of Mumbai. Many years of fun, jokes and festivities followed. Noel did not arrive at friendships threshold alone. His family quickly became our family. Nayantara's parents and siblings graciously took us to their hearts; the doors of our respective homes always open to one another...to the warmth, joy and love that only a family-by-friendship can provide. One evening, Noel arrived at my office in Souza Towers, Panjim. In that modest but stylish space, overlooking the Municipal Garden, Noel's face was lit by the sun setting over the Mandovi. It was a moment frozen in my brain. Through his dimpled smile he asked me a favour. He was celebrating a Vasco Sports Club team event, raising money for a gentleman whose son was with cancer. I have fifty thousand rupees to spend, he said. Can you do me a small show for the evening when we auction a T shirt for this young boy? Can you get Malaika Arora to model for us? In my head I said How can I tell him that a show costs between 8 to 12 lakhs and that Malaika's fee at the time, for an appearance, was somewhere over 2.5 lakhs? But my heart said Wendell this man is not asking anything for himself. It is for a cause. Actually a multitude of causes. So I return the dimpled smile and said Okay. When is the date? An hour later, I got on the phone to Malaika. I said very simply that I had only twenty five thousand to pay her, that it was a cause... blah, blah, blah! Sweet girl that she is, Malaika agreed immediately. The balance money was divided between her air ticket and the local Goan models. On D day, the Vasco Sports Club team walked the finale line up with a dropdead gorgeous Malaika in a gown that left no place to hide. The sound track was by Queen: We are the Champions The whistles that we placed on the seats at the Marriott Ball Room were used to the hilt. Years later, I told Noel Malaika's rate and the favour she had done us. He was so overwhelmed that whenever he met her, he would touch her feet and say thank you. Which says a lot about my friend Noel. To touch someones feet when he received no personal favour for himself. Two weeks ago and many years later we were on the same flight to Kolkata. He was anchoring for ESPN. I was showing The Earth Goddess collection at Kolkata Fashion Week. We talked of many things and he promised to attend the show. The next morning actress Lisa Ray sent me a mail that she had cancer of the bone marrow and it was going to be on her blog. I was shattered. This is a 37 year old Lisa. My Lisa. Who stayed in Colvale on holiday. Whose mother I wheeled in a wheelchair around Old Goa and the Cidade the Goa. Whose lovely face in Water warmed a million hearts. Whose awesome body made men's blood race in hotter-than-hot swimsuits for Glad Rags magazine. This is an ominous week I said to myself. On show day, Noel called to ask if he could bring ten guests along since they were all keen to see the show. We seated them front row. Including two gentleman I met in the ITC Sonar Bangla lounge a day before... from Sesa Goa; Harshraj Chati and Kishore Khanolkar. When I walked out with model Pia Trivedi at the finale, Noel was so moved by the show that he gave me a standing ovation. Model introductions later, Jerome, Noel and I descended to the moonlit Sonar Bangla pool with the owner of Elite model agency, Sushma Puri . We joked, laughed and talked till 2.30 am. In a departure from his usual self he told me that I was a genius. That I should only do creative work and not get distracted by other issues too much. Do that Wendell but give your God gifted creativity more time When I returned to Goa a day later, I did not realise that they were words of wisdom from a man who was soon leaving us for another realm. On Sunday, the dark cloud that began with Lisa's sad news burst into a thunderstorm over our heads in Colvale. Noel was no more. When I heard the news I wept. When his wife Nayantara and her wonderfully talented children asked if I wanted to say a few words at his funeral I was too emotionally distraught to speak.
[Goanet] Vacancy in Dubai - EMIRATES FLIGHT CATERING CO.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Dear Goans, EMIRATES FLIGHT CATERING CO. Hi We have vacancy for General Assistant Helpers in Cleaning, dishwashing, Stores, and catering department. Please call Daniel on 04 – 2086897 or Sebastian on 2086849 Visa, ticket, meals, medical, uniform and accommodation provided by the company Marsh Mendonca Dubai _ Begin your day with a strong dose of news, sports, entertainment and more on MSN India http://in.msn.com
Re: [Goanet] The Male Goan Lover
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Ben Fernandes (BF) wrote: I noticed that Philippino was spelt incorrectly in the article. Cecil Pinto (CP) replies: Thanks for pointing that out. I stand corrected. - BF: Also although not explicitly spelt out, the article certainly seemed to be biased against Thai,philippino women CP: If I had to use Russians or Chinese too you would accuse me of being biased. I had to use some ethnic group, so I just chose the most popular perception. being Politically Correct can be a pain in the writing wrist. - BF: Don't you think we have goan erotic masseurs? CP: We most definitely do! - BF: Most of us tend to think that we are cleaner and better than everyone else CP: That is true. But in my writings I poke fun at our Goan foibles very often. Matters of sex and sexuality are minefields in which one treads with extreme caution. BF: I see here in Kuwaiti newspapers goan women (and other women of course) are routinely caught offering sexual services. CP: Not impossible. I don't have access to Kuwaiti newspapers but a statistical comparison of ethnicities involved in the sex trade would be revealing. BF: I even know personally a couple of married women involved with other married/single men here in Kuwait CP: Highly possible. I never said Goan women were paragons of virtue. I just could not get anyone qualified to answer my survey. -- BF: When I worked in Bangalore the reputation of goan girls was that of a fun partner because they apparently give the guy everything and know how to party. Most of my north indian male friends desperately wanted to have goan girl friends and even asked me for help. CP: Perhaps this reputation that Goan girls had/have was more to do with how Goan women are portrayed in Bollywood movies than based on actual fact. We tend to confuse a Western attitude with promiscuity. --- BF: I must say that I take offence in your decision to repost that article. It might have been a funnier and better article somehow if it dint involve any foreign women. CP: My apologies if I caused offense. I try as much as I can to make my columns light enough so they can be read as satire and humour rather than as serious social commentary. But that is a thin line a writer walks. Should I cause offense to Goan women and bring on the wrath of the Bailancho Saad who will definitely have morchas outside my house and want to face my face black. Or should I risk offending the Thais and the Filipinos who seem to take their characterisation with the handful of salt it deserves? Sure I did the cowardly thing. But discussions like this can set the record straight. Cheers! Cecil ===
Re: [Goanet] Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible -Original Message- From: Gabe Menezes http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5981JP20091009 RESPONSE: Now the Nobel Peace Prize laureate cannot wage war and will desert the Hindu Kush. Will return his troops to Camps on his spread. Will appear impotent in dealing with rogue nationswe are reminded of January 2013 on a daily basis...my-my.Looks more and more like a right-wing conspiracy.;-) Seriously.this is the Nobel Prize committee that failed to recognize the 5-time nominated Mahatma as a Nobel Laureate, even posthumously, albeit the Dalai Lama and Mandela among others espoused the Gandhian values of non-violence and became Nobel Peace Prize laureates. Another dent in the shine of the Nobels!! - B
[Goanet] Why did Hinduism never become an 'organised' religion like Christianity or Islam? - dnaindia.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_why-did-hinduism-never-become-an-or ganised-religion-like-christianity-or-islam_1294838 Food for thought. HAVE A NICE WEEKEND GOANETTERS. rubygoes
Re: [Goanet] Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible The Blood-Stained Prize. Theater of the Absurd (by Missy Comley Beattie): Is this a bad dream? No, Barack Obama has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Yet, three days after he took the oath of office, he droned Pakistan, killing civilians, including children. This continues. Our country is engaged in three wars. We have a huge mercenary army, unaccountable to military law Read here: http://www.counterpunch.org/beattie10092009.html 2009/10/10 Bosco D bos...@canada.com: Seriously.this is the Nobel Prize committee that failed to recognize the 5-time nominated Mahatma as a Nobel Laureate, even posthumously, albeit the Dalai Lama and Mandela among others espoused the Gandhian values of non-violence and became Nobel Peace Prize laureates. Another dent in the shine of the Nobels!! -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
[Goanet] Raj Thackeray's unchecked dadagiri is his latest slap on the face of (a joke called) India and a kick on the Indian judicial system
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Date: 5 Oct 2009 05:23:48 - From: Bonefacio Lopes bonefacio.lo...@rediffmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Who rules Bombay-Mumbai?? Message-ID: 20091005052348.58629.qm...@f5mail-236-217.rediffmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ha Ha Ha , the recent tamasha by Raj Thackrey and Karan Johar is very strange and funny. Who rules Bombay , do we have a democratically elected Govt in Bombay, or the Govt. runs with the help of goons and muscle power of Raj. NDTV which claims to be a very constructive media source , instead of creating an awareness of what Raj did was wrong , on the contrary were trying to glorify him and his actions , most of the damage in the world and minds of people is created by the negative hype from media houses be it paper or T.V. channels. Do we have a law in India whereby an individual like Raj can influence a citizen to change his acts or words, if Raj had a problem why couldn't he take the legal stand ?? Indian Citizens watch out??? Add whatever you love to the Yahoo! India homepage. Try now! http://in.yahoo.com/trynew
Re: [Goanet] Many Happy Returns!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Exactly what I feel, Francis...neither pay nor commission could7would ever fetch the services Joe, so generously, renders us... I suppose it is a nigh universal feeling though I have noticed a brace of detractorsthey should stand rebukedand, hang their heads in shame...and cry...like Tom D... keep it up...dear Joe boywe are with you...all the way... Alfred Chacha... Next time!:-) Your contribution to Goa, Joe, is far, far greater than what ordinary mortals perceive - on a daily, virtually hourly basis, you are chronicling in the finest detail, every breath of our beloved Goa. Very few understand - even less appreciate the massive effort - all given free of charge, for love. Every day I look at all the marvellous pictures in the finest detail, the beautiful videos captured the previous night with painstaking effort, the evocative articles penned with such sincerity..., and I say to myself - here, unsung and unknown, is one of the greatest of all Goans, who would lay down his life for his motherland, without wishing his name or family even to be known. That rarest of species - the unsung patriot. (only FN comes close!:-) It would have been a great, great honour for me to shake your hand on that Sunday, Joe!:-) May you have a wonderful year ahead, and may mother Goa bless you abundantly in return. Kind regards, FR http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ --- Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:00:59 + From: joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [GOAN-NRI] Many Happy Returns! To: fcarodrig...@hotmail.com CC: bo...@goanet.org Thank you Francis Actually, I was in the line.. I thought I would at least shake hand with the great man for his greatest konkani music book (in the name of taking your autograph) in black box Goa. Sadly, you choose the waiting media people disapointing us few. So close yet too far --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Francis Rodrigues wrote: From: Francis Rodrigues Subject: [GOAN-NRI] Many Happy Returns! To: goan-...@yahoogroups.co.in Date: Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 12:14 PM It's that time of the year again!:-) 10 October - Bosco De Mello - lucid, articulate contributions and well-balanced moderation in Goan cyberspace, Joe GoaUK - a prolific contributor to Goan cyber- space, whose daily chronicling is simply phenomenal, To both these worthies - Many Happy Returns, today! Have a great year! FR. _ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404 _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009
Re: [Goanet] Indian colonialism
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Hi! My name is Cheryl , but explaining an email Id like Pcheryl would take us back to one of the hottest debates on Goa net. Please permit me to use your question to add to this debate !!! Regards Cheryl What's in a name ( formerly CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS) 15 years ago one Cheryl Desouza joined an organization called Stock Holding Corporation of Inida which had an 70% South India Hindu population and 28.5% other Hindu population . 1.5 % catholic population . Of this 1.5 % Catholics Goans consistited 25 % and I was the loan Goan woman in the operations side the rest were secretaries . It was but fair enough that I would often receive mail addressed C/O South Holding Corporation of Inida . Hence keeping in line with the great South India Tradition of having the husbands initial / family name before ones name , my email Id got created as pche...@stockholding .com But over the year I have noticed that as per my office records Cheryl Dsouza got changed to Cheryl Pereira and then unceremoniously to pcheryl which is totally harsh to the ear and sounds more like an illiterate . But I have not changed from being the Cheryl Desouza and still radiated the same aura ( if any ) invoke the same emotions / disgust among people I interact with . So as one of our friends has rightly said What's in a name???. My ancestors were Hindus , I am a Catholic ?? Why should I be ashamed of a Hindu name ??? By being ashamed of a Hindu name I am indirectly ashamed of ancestors ? Were they that lowly members of society that I should whant to deny their existence??? That amounts to self denial and insult to my self . I can change my name but not my Blood ! And certainly not history! Regarding your illiterate non Goan Sarpanch , I can very much guess she is a Marwadi. Last may I went to the north east for a holiday and I was stunned to see that most business ( Shops ) in Assam and Shillong were owned by Marwawadi's. The North East is a matriarch society where one goes by this mothers family name unlike the rest of India. And from the current state of affairs in the North East you may as well guess how very sentimental people are about their land and Culture . The Marwadi's out there have fond a novel way to get acceptance in a matriarch society. They have married local girls and have added their surnames to theirs . NE being a matriarch society they have managed to find acceptance among the locals and have made much more successful business men because of their Marwadi Genes. Now regarding you illiterate non Goan Sarpanch, ask yourselves who voted her to power ? has she done you any better than a Goan Sarpanch .? If yes , appreciate and Integrate , she cares for you much more than your own Goan Surpanch . If no just Boot ! You have the democratic power to do so! The choice is yours . Just crying fowl don?t help . Now if 1/3 rd of us can be bought for a peg of Fenny ! only vote and the remaining want to hold on to our Susegad philosophy ,we might as well as lay back ! try and enjoy it . After all each one of us has contributed to such a system and majority wins is the rule of any game! Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com 10/08/2009 08:31 PM To GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org, Goa Net Organization goa...@goanet.org, cheryl.pere...@stockholding.com cc Subject RE: [Goanet] Indian colonialism Dear Pcheryl, Is the 'P', in your sweet name silent as in Psmith? Just pleasantly curious Alfred...nothing silent therein... From:pcheryl cheryl.pere...@stockholding.com To: goa...@goanet.org Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:17:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Indian colonialism * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Hi Bernado ! Its pleasant to find literary inclined Goans on the net. We can all help each other through our learning and sharing . Literature is the product of a very intelligent / powerful mind and always carries a hidden message which is hard to wisely decipher. In fact the poetry you quoted was one of my favorite I studies during high school . I can still remember teacher Melba explaining the meaning to us and how her words shaped my life. Two other very
Re: [Goanet] [G Much to the AMUSEMENT of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible 2009/10/9 Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net RESPONSE: There would have been no response if it was not of consequence. Very predictable, LOL indeed; like a red rag to a bull! -- DEV BOREM KORUM.
Re: [Goanet] Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible 2009/10/10 Bosco D bos...@canada.com RESPONSE: Now the Nobel Peace Prize laureate cannot wage war and will desert the Hindu Kush. Will return his troops to Camps on his spread. Will appear impotent in dealing with rogue nationswe are reminded of January 2013 on a daily basis...my-my.Looks more and more like a right-wing conspiracy.;-) Seriously.this is the Nobel Prize committee that failed to recognize the 5-time nominated Mahatma as a Nobel Laureate, even posthumously, albeit the Dalai Lama and Mandela among others espoused the Gandhian values of non-violence and became Nobel Peace Prize laureates. Another dent in the shine of the Nobels!! - B RESPONSE: An excerpt of his acceptance speech in which he alluded, that he got the award, to prod him into action in the near future ''The US President said that he was really humbled by the choice made by the Nobel Peace Prize Committee in choosing him as the 2009 recipient. He said that he was deeply humbled and surprised at the same time. He said that it was not an individual prize but an affirmation of the American leadership, and not recognition of his accomplishments as he still had a lot to do and accomplish. He was fair in saying that he personally thought that he did not deserve the award , because there were others who were more deserving than him. He says that he now has a greater responsibility to use energy and that we should live in a world where there are no differences on caste, creed or religion in seeing one another, that there must be a new beginnings in religions and with mutual interest and respect we must resolve the conflicts. He said that the world had suffered enough of pain and hardship and that we must have an unwavering commitment to reduce it. He spoke passionately about the Palestine hardships.'' Read more: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/politics/barack-obama-delivers-nobel-peace-prize-acceptance-speech_100258480.html#ixzz0TWacFzOU That was one hell of a gracious acceptance speech. Let us be magnanimous, give the man a chance. The men of yesteryear have blood on their hands; over here in the U.K. the ex P.M. was soundly berated by the Archbishop and a man whose son was killed in the on going wars. -- DEV BOREM KORUM.
Re: [Goanet] Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible There is something seriously wrong with this Nobel Peace committee to award barack obama, the Nobel peace prize even before he could say Camp David or even smell the coffee at a serious peace accord conference. This is simply ridiculous and too insane for words. Infact from now on the Peace Prize means dirt to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Mickey Mouse is awarded the Peace prize next. best, selma --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a bad dream? No, Barack Obama has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Yet, three days after he took the oath of office, he droned Pakistan, killing civilians, including children. This continues. Our country is engaged in three wars. We have a huge mercenary army, unaccountable to military law
Re: [Goanet] Is Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for India's communal tensions?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Firstly, artistic freedom cannot be seen in a vacuum, and the debate about Dr Subodh Kerkar's cartoons/drawings and Sanatan is directly linked to religion, irreligiousness, religious bigotry, religious sentiments and defining what it takes for someone's sentiments to be hurt. I believe such debates are closely tied up with how we understand the 'secular state' and its role, and the rights of citizens and religious groupings in this space. Also, the interaction between politicians and communalism. The comments about Nehru came in the context of the discussions that day, when one of the speakers praised the first Prime Minister of India for promoting secularism in India, and building a sound basis for the Indian state. My view is that the irreligious (if not anti-religious) attitudes of some early politicians (Nehru, for instance) could well have pushed religion to the defensive, and only given a fillip after some time to the more intolerant, chauvinist and extremist faces of religion we see resurgent for the past decade and more. In this context, the role played by the political (and otherwise too) successors of a Nehru, like Indira (the rise of a Bhindranwale, and anti-Sikh sentiments) and Rajiv Gandhi (opening of Ayodhya, the 1984 landslide election win, based on the India-in-peril sentiment and soft communalism) has also to be noted in its overall role in promoting communalism of the kind we have subsequently see in India. At one level, calling the Bhakra project as temples of modern India reflects the genuflection of a Nehru towards that god called Science and Technology, and looking down on things traditional. I don't think there is anything illegitimate with some pious person believing in religion; what I have a problem with is making use of religious faith for negative political purposes and building hate among different sections of the population. Maybe a Gandhi was more apt in understanding the role of religion in a hyper-religious space like South Asia. Such an attitude, which seeming obscurantist at first, might have been more sustainable. I'd anyday prefer a religious Hindu, Muslim, Christian (or a tolerant atheist/agnostic) rather than a communal or intolerant one. The traditions which Sandeep mentions about secularism come largely if not entirely from the Western world, and have little to do with the Indian reality. Here, secularism was born less out of a revolt against the Religious Orders and more out of the need for a multi-religious, multi-ethnic, multi-caste nation state to co-exist amidst all its diversity. And I stand by my views. I don't use the label rationalist to describe myself; I dislike labels as these can be misleading most often. FN 2009/10/10 Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com: A few days back, during the heat of Subodh Kerkar’s “Ganesha” Art Exhibition controversy, the “Sunaparanta Goa Centre For Arts” organized a Panel discussion on the topic of “Freedom of Speech and Expression”. The Panelists, Dr Subodh Kerkar, Venita Coelho, Vidhyadhar Gadgil and Geoffrey Witte voiced their individual opinions on the subject and thereafter indulged in a fruitful interaction with the audience. I was a part of the audience which was reasonably large. Amongst other recognizable faces were Frederick Noronha, Vivek Menezes, Cecil Pinto, Shrikant Barve and Rajiv D’ Silva. While the scope of the discussions generally centered on the topic of “Free Expression”, the discussions for a short moment degenerated into a debate on ‘Secularism’ and ‘Communalism’, courtesy Frederick Noronha. I always thought that Frederick was a rationalist but I found his logic on that day peculiar and highly absurd to say the least. Frederick’s logic was akin to the logic used by ‘Bernard Simoes’ who blamed Darwin for racism, Nazism, Fascism, Communism, genocides and terrorism of the whole World in his article that appeared in the Herald some 3 weeks back. Frederick similarly tried to pin the blame for India's conflicts, rioting, strife and communalism on Jawaharlal Nehru, by making the meaningless claim that Nehru’s policy of promoting science and rationalism were the root causes of all of India’s evils -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Photos: http://photosfromgoa.notlong.com Goa,1556: http://goa1556.goa-india.org
[Goanet] Fwd: Need Freelance Journalist for Vavradd...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Kindly follow-up if interested. -- Forwarded message -- From: ferozna...@gmail.com ferozna...@gmail.com Urgently Require Freelance Journalist for Vavraddeancho Ixtt Vavraddeancho Ixtt urgently require freelance journalist to cover exclusive newsworthy stories and interviews. The story can be submitted either in English or Konkani (Roman or Devnagri) The weekly also needs persons in the field of Marketing and Advertisement Interested persons can contact: Fr Feroz Fernandes sfx Editor-in-chief Mobile: 9822 136 720 Phone: 0832 221 9091 Email: ferozna...@gmail.com ixtt...@gmail.com Vavraddeancho Ixtt (literary means Workers Friend) as a newsweekly was started in 1933. Over the years it has grown and emerged as the voice of the Goans. At present we have over 12,000 committed subscribers in Goa and abroad. It always aspires to nurture a journalism of Hope and convey the message of love. You can have a look at our website: www.v-ixtt.com
[Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Indian ancestry revealed in massive study IANS First Published : 25 Sep 2009 03:19:58 PM IST Last Updated : 25 Sep 2009 03:58:48 PM IST LONDON: The largest ever DNA survey of Indian heritage has revealed that the population of India was founded on just two ancient groups that are as genetically distinct from each other as they are from other Asians. The findings of the study, conducted by a group of top international geneticists, have strong implications for health and medicine, and reveal important new information on caste in India. The study shows that most Indian populations are genetic admixtures of two ancient but genetically divergent groups, which each contributed around 40-60 percent of the DNA to most present-day Indians, Nature magazine reported Wednesday. One ancestral lineage - genetically similar to Middle Eastern, Central Asian and European populations - was higher in upper-caste individuals and speakers of Indo-European languages such as Hindi, the researchers found. The other lineage was not close to any group outside the Indian subcontinent, and was most common in people indigenous to the Andaman islands, says the study conducted by a team led by David Reich of the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Lalji Singh of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology in Hyderabad, India. Nature said that although India makes up around one-sixth of the world's population, it has been sorely under-represented in genome-wide studies of human genetic variation. The Indian Genome Variation database, launched in 2003 to fill the gap, has so far studied only 420 DNA-letter differences, called single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), in 75 genes. In sharp contrast, the study reported by Nature has probed more than 560,000 SNPs across the genomes of 132 Indian individuals from 25 diverse ethnic and tribal groups dotted all over India. The researchers also found that Indian populations were much more highly subdivided than European populations. But whereas European ancestry is mostly carved up by geography, Indian segregation was driven largely by caste. There are populations that have lived in the same town and same village for thousands of years without exchanging genes, said Reich. The authors of the study said the new genetic evidence refutes the claim that the Indian caste structure was a modern invention of British colonialism. This idea that caste is thousands of years old is a big deal, said Nicole Boivin, an Oxford University archaeologist. To say that endogamy (the practice of marrying within a caste, community or tribe) goes back so far, and that genetics shows it, is going to be controversial to many anthropologists. The study also suggests that Indian populations, although currently huge in number, were founded by relatively small bands of individuals - a finding that has clinical implications. There will be a lot of recessive diseases in India that will be different in each population and that can be searched for and mapped genetically, Reich said. That will be important for health in India.
[Goanet] Portugal pulls the rug on Goa!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible The fatherland is now a morass of treachery, none in Portugal are likely to want Goa back ! eric. Sorry it is no more an allegation. Read the book by Frank Moraes. A traitor is a traitor forget the caste. BC Very easy to make all kinds of allegations without naming names! I sometimes suspect the condescending attitude towards Valerian Cardinal Gracias, in part at least, stems from the fact that he didn't belong to the Catholic caste elite that long dominated Goa. FN
Re: [Goanet] Is Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for India's communaltensions?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Could Frederick have been pinning the blame on Nehru for disintegrating instead of integrating India when he said India's languages (parochial India) and cultures are like mosaic which needs to be preserved at all costs? :-)) Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: [Goanet] Is Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for India's communaltensions? A few days back, during the heat of Subodh Kerkar’s “Ganesha” Art Exhibition controversy, the “Sunaparanta Goa Centre For Arts” organized a Panel discussion on the topic of “Freedom of Speech and Expression” Frederick similarly tried to pin the blame for India's conflicts, rioting, strife and communalism on Jawaharlal Nehru, by making the meaningless claim that Nehru’s policy of promoting science and rationalism were the root causes of all of India’s evils.. Why is Frederick making baseless assertions while ignoring the ugly realities of religion? Can History be ignored, can the truth be suppressed? Is it fair to blame Jawaharlal Nehru, decades after his death, for India’s communal tensions?.. cheers Sandeep
[Goanet] Why did Hinduism never become an 'organized' religion like Christianity or Islam? - dnaindia.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Ruby Goes brought to our attention the following url: http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_why-did-hinduism-never-become-an-or ganised-religion-like-christianity-or-islam_1294838 Ruby commented: Food for thought. Can she elaborate what she found interesting in the article? To my mind, Wendy Doniger (who she is has not been properly explained) thinks that the attempt to adopt some of the aspects of an organized religion by Hindu organizations is not desirable. This is actually an equally damning statement against Christianity and Islam. Even as we resist the attempts by these Hindu organizations, should there also not be a movement towards getting rid of the harmful characteristics of an organized religion within Christianity and Islam? Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] A house donated to Roman Catholic church collapses out of neglect in my neighbourhood
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible A house donated to Roman Catholic church collapses out of neglect in my neighbourhood --pics http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/album.php?aid=147317id=544531336ref=nf
[Goanet] Feppi Boddei, Joe-Goa_UK! Zaite Fuxial Pottun-yo? Many Happy Returns!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Mogall Joe_Goa_UK! Devan tuka bore bolaiken ani khuxalkaien dovorcho! My thanks to your real Goan niz-Goenkar heart, mind, body and soul, for doing us great favours with your carefully planned shoot-outs for the state of life in Goa today, for the glimpses of Tiatr in Goa, the bountiful nature, the flowers, the sorrow state of affairs in Goa, and the numerous videos of the latest in Goa. There may be lots of other Niz-Goenkars like you, but they don't have your resources, your energy and the time that you spend to give us the true picture of things Goan right away! For this we are in your Upkar! For your lovely nostalgic words and pictures like Katt-Kongam ( I always thought they were salted (kattuk) but they are oinnin) we thank you. Please keep writing about them and let the experts tell us otherwise and increase our knowledge of the true words of origin in Konkani. BUT KEEP WRITING ABOUT THOSE SALCETE (SAXTTI) KONKANI WORDS USED IN OLDEN TIMES. I also thank all those Goanetters and GoaResearchNetwallahs for givings us explanations and corrections especially of Portuguese words which are so well Salcetized, but which sound so nice. To JOEGOAUK, keep sending us the correct and latest image of Goa! They also serve most, who just travel and travel and stand and wait and SHOOT through the LENS! So when will you come out! Wish your parents were here to see your gifts to Goans! Mog assum di ani ilem xekoi mhojea nanvan! Kuttu! Zolmacho Diss tuzo! I nominate you for the 'TRUE SON OF GOA AWARD Silviano Barbosa October 10, 2009 _ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403
[Goanet] Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible The below statement speaks for itself, although the naming of US President Obama for the Nobel Peace award, not only surprised President Obama, but many including me. But the below statement from the committee and the awardee, probably justifies the decision. However, it was premature to blame 'lobbyists' for this decision. May the World be a better and safer place to live. Maurice D. quote: Speaking at the White House hours after the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee named him as a surprise winner, he said the award should be a call to action. The world faced challenges that cannot be met by one person or by one nation alone, Mr Obama said. The committee said he won for efforts to boost diplomacy and co-operation. Message: 7 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:18:49 -0400 From: Goanet News Service n...@goanet.org To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama Message-ID: blu0-smtp16bae546979462030eb616b3...@phx.gbl Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama
[Goanet] No health without mental health (Karl de Souza)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible No health without mental health By Karl de Souza himnk...@gmail.com Every year, October 10 is celebrated globally as World Mental Health by the World Federation for Mental Health, as a unified effort to promote greater public awareness and understanding of mental health and mental illness. According to the World Health Organisation (WHO) constitution: Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity, and mental health is a state of well-being in which every individual realizes his/her own potential, coping with the normal stresses of life, work productively, and making a contribution to her/his community. Unfortunately, even today a large proportion of people with mental disorders around the world fail to receive appropriate help in spite of new treatments for mental illnesses. They suffer in silence because of the stigma attached to mental illness leading to reluctance to ask for help. Lack of mental health puts a heavy burden on the individual, the family and society. There are many different types of mental health conditions, which can lead to a disability, including dementia, depression, and schizophrenia. Major depression ranks fourth in terms of disability, and WHO predicts that in 20 years time more people will be affected by depression than any other health problem. Out of the estimated 450 million people globally who have a mental health disorder, fewer than half receive the help they need. According to Shraddha Rehabilitation Foundation in Maharashtra, mental disorders afflict five crore of the Indian population. Some 80% of our districts do not have even one psychiatrist in public service. In fact, there are just about 3,500-5,000 psychiatrists in India or three psychiatrists per one million people. Inspite of WHO estimates of 2001 indicate a prevalence level of about 22% of individuals developing one or more mental or behavioral disorders in their lifetime in India we devote less than 1% of our health budget to mental health. Over 90% of people with mental illness are cared for within their communities by their families and may never even receive a diagnosis. Dr. Margaret Chan, Director General of the World Health Organization, in her message launching WHO's 2008 World Health Day, 'Primary Health Care: Now More Than Ever', stated that WHO's focus on primary health care grows both from her personal conviction, and from an increased demand from Member States. Dr. Chan noted that the concept that health systems might become more equitable, inclusive and fair is in itself solid rationale for inserting the needs of people living with mental health problems and disorders into the discussion of improving integrated primary health care. For centuries, mental health treatment, mental health promotion and prevention of disorders have not received the needed level of attention from governments, from the medical profession, and from the general public. STRENGTHENING MENTAL HEALTH PROMOTION As a society we need to realize that mental health is determined by multiple and interacting social, psychological, and biological factors. Mental disorders can have an effect on physical health and many physical ailments can induce more mental health issues. It is imperative that mental health and mental disorders are included in plans and policies intended to promote the concept of Primary Health Care now more than ever National mental health policies should recognize and address the broader issues which promote mental health. This requires mainstreaming mental health promotion into policies and programmes in government and business sectors. Particularly important are the decision-makers in governments at local and national levels, whose actions affect mental health in ways that they may not realize. The 2009 World Mental Health Day global awareness campaign theme Mental Health in Primary Care: Enhancing Treatment and Promoting Mental Health is intended to address the continuing need to make mental health a global priority, and focus the integration of mental health into primary healthcare. The engagement of the end users of mental health services, their families who carry much of the responsibility for helping people living with mental illnesses, and the advocates who attempt to influence mental health policies, is critical. Why integrate behavioral health into primary care settings? Most people seek help for behavioral
[Goanet] Thanks and Best Wishes to Bosco D'Mello, volunteer and NIZ GOAN who only GIVES!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Hello Bosco, As I get off the phone wishing you Happy Birthday, I 'd like to thank you for giving of your time and services for all Goan causes. There are a few Goans like you on goanet who never say No to Goan causes. You are one of the few, who do it, not for money or fame, but for the love of our beloved Goa. These are the people who should be recognized by us all. Many such people come to mind, especially on our Goan Cybersapce. Government of Ontario and Canada give out certificates for volunteer services in our communities, but who is responsible to give awards for International Goans like you and other volunteers at Goanet, Konkani Radio GoaWorld Radio 365, Radio Goa Konkani Online Radio, Joe-Goa-UK clips/photos, various U-TUBE Konkani clips (even though some of them contravene copyright laws). But we profit from the work of such volunteers, who only seek to propagate, Konkani, Goan culture and our way of life. To all such self-less Goans, today I pay my respects while they are all alive and well. Long live true Goanness! Silviano Barbosa Toronto October 10, 2009. _ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403
[Goanet] Brief Story of Mumbai Terror attack
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Are we in Safe Hands? Mumbai never sleeps. It’s a lively, free place and if one has proper contacts he/she can find anything in Mumbai. This lively place has always been a victim of terrorist attacks since last two decades wherein innocent people have been killed for no fault of theirs and the recent 26/11/2008 terrorist attack forced a lot of ordinary citizens to question our ownselves, are we in Safe hands? It was quite clear that Mumbai Police was ill-equipped on that fateful day to fight against the trained, professional terrorists from Pakistan . What a fanatical act it was in the name of Jehad? Just ten terrorist robbed the happiness of happy Mumbai for 3 long days and if they were twenty what would have been the state of our beloved Mumbai on that fateful day of 26/11/2008. They enemies entered very easily without any problems in our country and what's this forces us to think? Despite of having information regarding the attack on Mumbai through sea and intercepting some very important telephone conversation regarding the attack, the information was just carried on form one concerned agency to another with hardly any follow-up and because of such ignorance Mumbai had to pay heavily. On 18th September 2009, RAW, an Indian intelligence agency intercepted a telephone call from a Lakshar man and an unknown person saying that a operation has been planned to target a hotel at Mumbai’s Gateway of India and a sea-route would be used. On 24th September another call was intercepted and this time, the Targets were named as Taj, Marriot, Sea Rock and Land’s end. On the 19th November, another satellite call was intercepted saying we will reach Bombay by nine to eleven. On 20th of Nov 2009, Indian coast received a message from their Headquarters that LeT vessel sighted at a certain position attempting to enter Indian waters. The missing Indian trawler Kuber all this while was on a sea passage to Mumbai from Karachi and despite of having so much information the attack on the amchi Mumbai couldn’t be averted. The enemies, Mohammad Ajmal Amir Kasab and Abu Ismail opened fire in the name of Jehad at Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus better known as Victoria Terminus. Their AK-47’s did not discriminate the Men, Women and Children. Railway Protection force head constable, one among the few armed Policeman did a counter firing from his pistol consisting of six rounds and than snatched a .303 rifle from a constable to confront the Terrorists but the weapon was no match to the arms used by the enemies. Our country spends so much money on useless politicians and despite of witnessing several attacks in the past our Policemen were at misery as far as protective clothing and arms were concerned. We love to fight in the name of North, South, West and East Indians but we were handicapped when Jehadi enemies attacked our Mumbai. It was a total one sided battle for quite some time. Mumbai’s top police officers were killed, Police jeep was hijacked, Azad Maidan Police station secured their doors recounts a Journalist present out there but the daring act of ASI Omble helped the country to arrest the lone terrorist caught alive.ASI, despite of being ill-equipped never got afraid of Kasab’s AK-47.He caught him although Kasab managed to fire multiple rounds and the catching grip was such that he never left him. He died a Hero’s death. The Mumbai Police was stuck for hours at Taj and Oberoi. They never had an action plan till the arrival of NSG commandos at Hotel Taj and Oberoi. They are very well known for taking haftas from road-side prostitutes, snack gaddas etc but they were badly paid the hafta that fateful day. Major Unnikrishnan who led the 160 odd commandos at Taj finally died a Hero’s death while firing with the terrorists and finally on the 29th of November three of the 4 terrorists at Taj were burnt inside the hotel and one was shot after he jumped from one of the windows and in a similar fashion Hotel Oberoi was also secured by the NSG commandos and latter handed over to the Police. It’s almost one year since Kasab has been held; it’s an open case, He entered our country with a jehadi mission, and he opened fire at the innocents and killed them which include the top Mumbai Police officers. Our beloved country pays for his advocate and it’s a shame that one of our Indian Advocate says that he can prove him innocent, thus proving his love for our country. Are the laws in our country are such that he might be proved innocent and allowed to go back the way he
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Welcome to Goa. The one-time very beautiful state of Goa welcomes you all for yet another tourist season.If one has proper contacts he/she can find anything from good to worst in the state of Goa which was once famous for xitt-koddi,fenni,football and peace.One need to be careful of the Goa Police but in case of your involvement of minor offenses you can get away by warming the palms of our Police.There was one time, this green state hardly use to witness a murder in a year but now,crime including rapes,dacoities,murders etc has become very common in Goa. If one wants to set up a polluted industry in Goa,you are welcome.If you want to buy a piece of land there is plenty available for non-goans.If you want to convert one of our green fields into a building,it's very easy.If you want to set up a Hotel close to one of our beaches,not much formalities to follow.For all these things you have to contact one of our ministers and to tell the fact they are very helpful to non-goans and foreigners.I forgot to mention one very important thing,this season if one happens to be in Goa,make it a point to visit the one of the beautiful tourist spots,I m talking about the garbage at sonsdo.It's really interesting and worth to watch that spot. There were minor floods in Goa these days.Why it all happened?Where the rain water will go when our past and present governments were all out to convert our fields into concrete jungles?Will our government learn a lesson from the present floods? Salcette will now really march towards heaven and all our fields will be saved from the hands of builders because the two well known samples from salcette,Churchill and Mickey has joined hands to save Salcette and Goa in general.In reality have they joined hands to sell Goa or save their own selves is a million dollar question. No worries,enjoy this tourist season.Viva Goa. Joel Morais P.O.Cuncolim, Bencleamvaddo, Salcette,Goa. Pin-403703 India
[Goanet] Pro-Goans vs. Anti-Goans, Freedom and progress? And O Heraldo Pe. Mousinho.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible These letters were sent by us to O Heraldo on 29th Sept. ’09, the same day that Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão had sent his reply to Pe. Mousinho. * * *Pro-Goans vs. Anti-Goans, Freedom and progress? And **O Heraldo Pe. Mousinho.* *Ashburn Leron Pereira* * * The History of Goa/India has been carefully manipulated over the decades, confusing people till today. As it can be clearly seen that they annexed hundreds of Princely States that once existed in the Indian Subcontinent which were never been annexed or conquered by the British. Though most acceded peacefully, except for four: Junagadh, Hyderabad, Jammu and Kashmir and Tripura which was taken at gunpoint by the armed forces of the Indian Union surpassing the Indian Independence Act 1947. Each Princely State had its own history, geography and culture. Intellectuals comprising of Menezes Bragançá, Loyolá Furtado, Uday Bembro Purusotomá Cácodcar failed in their attempts to get any response from the Salazar administration, thus putting an end to these Goans who wanted complete autonomy for Goa. Between ’55 - ’63 Goan petitioners in the UN, particularly Antonio da Fonseca – Secretary General of the Goa Freedom Movement held in Paris fought for autonomy too, but unfortunately over the years when Dr. Mario Soares, representing a new Democratic Portugal, recognized the annexation of Goa, Damão and Diu and reopened diplomatic relations with India, which put a complete end to these ‘true freedom fighters’*. *If the Portuguese themselves were unstable we wouldn’t have had our Goa colonially and later provincially ruled for 451 yrs. M. Boyer in one of his songs soon after 19th Dec said “Goycar ami nidlole, nidloleank uttoile, Patcam corun voir pavtoch modench tuttoile, Bhav – bhav mhunnon Goyencarank bhatttoilet, Ani aplem apleak mevtoch xekim Goyencarank fottoilet”. Also, Religion shouldn’t involve itself in political issues, but some Goans credulously believe that our most revered St. Francis Xavier, had prophesized, “Goa ninguém a tomará, ela por si acabará” (No one shall take Goa, she will herself end) (Mário Cabral e Sá - Goa Today, Oct ‘05) We Goans are facing the garbage problem; pot holed roads, no proper sanitation negligence over the swine flu issue. Thus when a Goan who wants to divulge the fact is ostracized, like the trio Conception-Nelson-Anthony, so also Kid Boxer were punished by hired administrators of the Indian Government in Goa for exposing the squalid rule, as if Goa was ruled not only by dictatorial Salazar but someone worse than Salazar. Countless promises were given to Goans by the Indian Government but all these were eventually turned down. What about the increase in crimes and robberies filching Goans of their valuables. Goa’s immaculate image has been tarnished by bribery in every segment of our life, India even tried to impose the non-Goan rule of Maharastra in Goa thereby keeping colonialism alive, thus liberating Goa from Portugal and subjugate it under Maharashtra and Delhi deputationists in order to de-Goanise Goa by damaging our culture, rich history and to also hurt our religious sentiments, other Indians have started pouring into Goa there-by spoiling the grandeur of Goa and Goans. We are currently facing degradation of Goan character by the present generation including politicians because they learnt everything from the corrupt Indian rule over our land. Such things never happened during the last years of Portuguese rule but is taking place in the so called liberated Goa; we then had “Hindu, Mussolmán ani Cristão Bhavponn”. The secularism that is imposed on Goa now is a fake one, during the Portuguese rule; Goa had better secularism in its true sense though censorships were prevalent under the Salazar regime. Even the renowned Goan journalist Frank Moraes felt ashamed to be an Indian because of the non-beneficial policies imposed by India. Can we call this 47 years of freedom and progress? The letters sent by us true Goans, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão, Ashburn Pereira, and Leron Pereira never got published on O Heraldo on 1st Oct. ’09, so I ask what is R F Fernandes and Ashwin Tombat and the whole editorial group of O Heraldo trying to prove? That Pe. Mousinho is absolutely right? This is the impartiality by O Heraldo mete out to us Goans who try their level best in bringing out the truth to the general public shadowing us so that the self-proclaimed freedom fighters and pro – Indians get all the credit and people like us have been shunned, this attitude shown to us by this biased newspaper can’t be just taken on our chin.
[Goanet] Catholic Church beware of Neo colonoliasm
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Dear Goa net readers, I came across this article and thought of sharing this with you. BEWARE OF THE NEOCOLONIALISM ! - By Victor Ferrao and Boniface Furtado In our last article on Herald (Dated:10/09/09 ), we have already deconstructed and exposed the following erroneous assumptions of the proponents of the Church ‘Transparency –Accountability’ Discourse: 1. That the Church is a Democracy; 2. That Rebellion is a necessary tool for Change; 3. That there is a rampant lack of Transparency and Accountability in the Church; and 4. That the Church in Goa is plagued by high-caste dominance. In the present attempt, we wish to engage with their discursive strategies and bring to light their manipulative intent. This engagement into the discursive politics of the proponents of the discourse is indeed crucial because it has the power to dismantle the piercing fangs that strive to inject obnoxious venom into the minds of thousands of innocents and expose their malevolent design to frame the Church and her Leaders. We notice that the discourse under our scrutiny is constructed and maintained with a deliberate employment of a motivated semiotics and hermeneutics that aims to disturb, doctor, manipulate, colour and control the public perception of the Church and her Leadership. Such a dangerous attempt to socially engineer a public perception to manufacture support for their devious agenda is certainly an oppressive strategy of the master promoters of Neocolonialism. Hence, we attempt to critically examine the link between this Discourse and Neocolonialism. By juxtaposing ideals of Democracy, Freedom and Equality with some real or fake stories of abuse of properties in the Church, the proponents of the discourse generate a picture that all is not in the order of things in the Church. This clever semantic ‘othering’ of the Church through the introduction of a framework (doctored frame: Democracy, Freedom, Equality and stories of abuse) creates and manufactures a need for the Church to change. Such an orchestrated design is manifested by an attentive reading of the discursive choices of the proponents of this discourse. The lexical choices, the heteroglossia (double voicing) and foxy semiotics craftily employed by Dr. Teotonio de Souza prove our contention. Hence, we attempt to analyze the strategies of the proponents of the discourse and bring into the open their manipulative character. Our earlier effort has already exposed that their discursive strategies suffer from crafty insinuations, caustic sarcasms, gross overgeneralizations, and reductionist oversimplifications. Here we try to examine the texture of their text and the tonality of the speaking subjects (which, surprisingly, shows a remarkable change after our intervention) and expose how the discourse threatens to become a new incarnation of Neocolonialism. We find that the discursive politics unleashed by the proponents of the discourse employ the following corrosive discursive strategies: Cunning use of Semiotics Crafty Mix of Fiction with Truth Politics of Propaganda Fallacy Ad Hominem Cunning use of Semiotics The proponents of the discourse use combinatory and associative hermeneutics to engineer a public perception of the Church to suit their dubious agenda. As we have pointed above, they mix the ideals of Democracy, Freedom, and Equality with the real or fake stories of abuse of property in the Church and generate an explosive hermeneutical cocktail. This designer hermeneutics constructs a picture that all is not in the order of things with the Church. This picture is further reinforced by a devious use of double voicings like “praying doves and preying vultures”, “The Name of the Rose” or “the priest with konkan herbs” primarily by Dr. Souza. But the explosive hermeneutical cocktail generated to produce a malign picture of the Church and her Leadership in Goa follows tooth and nail the strategy of the master promoters of Neocolonialism. The mass-disintegrating forces of Neocolonialism manipulate the shared mental environment of the people by skillfully shaping perceptions, creating impressions, inducing beliefs and preparing their mindset to generate consensus, in order to execute their hidden agenda and promote their vested interests. At the global level, these manipulative catalyzing dynamics is obvious in the classic examples of the stage-managed invasion of Iraq by the allied forces led by the USA and “Israel’s” lament of her Nazi past while ironically caging Palestinians in Gaza’s ‘open-air
Re: [Goanet] Criminal flooding (floriano)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible I came back again. A bit on Goa. Since I never heard of floods in Goa and rechecked with my Mom too and she said did not see nor heard floods of this magnitude ever in Goa since last 100 years. Nature(Mother Earth’s) fury is a reminder to humans(Goans especialy), especially those who are greedy and out to destroy Goas enviornment by abusing it by cutting down hills, trees, illegal mining, mega projects, CRZ violations. Salute to the locals irrespective of caste, creed, religion, colour went about helping those in need and those who went only for photography sake-shame on you . Taking the liberty to put here the email detailing the situation before and after and the urgent needs. Rgds-Mario Do Not Play With Nature (Freddy Fernandes) During the good “young” days, I was often told by my parents not to play with fire and water and they made sure that I understood the why factor of it. Fire and water are major contributors to life as well as destruction, it is said that “one tree can give us millions of match sticks, but one match stick could destroy millions of trees”, further it is also said that “a drop of water can give life to a dieing man, but a strong flow of water can wipe away cities”. Mother nature has been very good to us Goans, in all my life I have never heard of any major natural disaster on Goan soil. As gracious and kind as mother nature is, it can also be very destructive as well, hence we should not take mother nature for granted and abuse it’s generosity. The cloud burst over Poinguinim, and the flood caused thereafter should be a reminder for us that it could have been worse and should be thankful that it wasn’t. However advanced we may be in science and technology, we will never ever be equipped enough to face the wrath and fury of mother nature, it is only advisable for us to live in ambience with nature and follow it’s natural progression. It is indeed very sad that a lot of our people have been badly hit by this tragedy, some dead, houses, properties and fields destroyed but it is heartening indeed to read that the locals helped each other in this time of adversity, caste, colour, status and religion was forgotten, it was humans, humane effort that saved the day for a good many. Leaders do evolve from ordinary men and women during crises. It was also not surprising to note that the politicians, police and the bureaucrats did nothing to help but were somehow there for the photography sessions and to “take stock” of the situation as they say, which undoubtedly means trying to figure out how much they could benefit from this disaster (letter by Urvee Kavindra Phaldesai, Poinguinim on Herald “Real heroes of the deluge dated 5th Oct’09). Soter, in his letter “Gods are angry” on Herald dated 5th Oct’09, states that during the good old days, people would have thought that it was God’s punishment for the crimes and atrocities committed against mother nature and it could be very much true, because the rate at which our forest area is receding and our green cover disappearing because of mining and hill cutting to accommodate mega housing projects, it is all this destruction that contribute to climatic changes and cause the imbalance, sooner or later worse disasters are bound to happen, if we do not show any tangible change in attitude towards mother nature. Men’s greed along with his uncanny disregard for ecology and environmental safety, will most certainly invite the wrath of mother nature in all it’s ferocity. We have to respect nature and preserve it’s generous giving’s. I only hope and pray that we Goans do not have to bear the blunt of the ferocity of mother nature because of the greed and arrogance of our politicians. Like my parents had told me “do not play with nature.” Save our environment, save Goa It was beyond anyone imagination, as to why we do not have a comprehensive mining policy even though mining was carried out even during the Portuguese rule and are absolutely astounded to note, that Goa till date does not have a state disaster management system set up. Aren’t we all sitting ducks, if disaster strikes Goa ? Freddy Agnelo Fernandes _ Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates, right from Hotmail®. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_4:092009
[Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:41:02 -0400 From: MD mmdme...@gmail.com North Korea and Iran issue has not cropped up after the new US admisnistation. Mario responds: You obviously have no idea that N. Korea and Iran have both accelerated their nuclear programs recently because they have nothing to fear from the new Europeanized administration - only Israel now stands in their way. MD wrote: Bill Clinton visited N. Korea and brought back the US female journalists jailed there for illegal entry. Would the US Military might have accomplished this? Mario responds: Prior to this administration the US did not negotiate with terrorists. This only leads to more terrorism. MD wrote: The current US adminstration is working on Iran in coordination with its previously ignored Eurppean Allies. Mario responds: Like the blind leading the blind. Iran has nothing to fear from these weak kneed people - they only fear Israel. Here is one journalists view of the new president: www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/did_we_elect_a_beta_male_as_pr_1.html MD wrote: Out of the whole haystack, I found one die hard supporter of Bush, Guess who Mario responds: If you looked at the facts perhaps you would support Bush too, and not Saddam Hussein or the Taliban. Only because of Bush do 50 million innocent Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan have a chance for freedom and democracy. The delay is because of people like you, and the rest of your haystack, who sympathize with and provide immoral support to those who want to destabilize these countries and prevent freedom and democracy from being consolidated. Only because of Bush was Kosovo able to become an independant country. Only because of Bush was India able to get a special nuclear agreement against the opposition of many other countries.
[Goanet] Money for one road was paid thrice
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible This scheme was promoted by the ex-Belgian citizen, now an Indian naitonal, Jean Dreze. He was able to push it through only because of his closeness to Sonia Gandhi, and by presenting as an alleged 'aam admi' programme to enable the party to win elections. The national scheme is almost on the same lines as the one in Maharashtra. When the scheme was about to be implemented, a scandal in the Mahrashtra scheme had been exposed. The methodology for corruption in the Maharashtra scheme was exactly the same as what is stated in this report. In Maharashtra the scandal was exposed in more than one place. And there is no reason to believe that what has been stated in the article has not happened in other places in the country. It is a tragedy in our media that this corruption is not being aggressively exposed. A huge amount of money is being wasted here. Even where the scheme is being implemented in the way it is supposed to be, studies have shown that the amount reaching the ultimate beneficiaries, namely the ones who are doing the physical labour, get only a portion of the total expenditure. The rest goes on material and administration (ie the government servants). A professor in the USA has written an article recently stating that instead of the scheme, it would be better to make a cash transfer to the people. Of course, even in such case corruption can well be quite significant, since the payrolls can be manipulated, or the recepient is forced to part away some of the money that he receives. There have been at least two people who have been killed for exposing the corruption. From a moral standpoint, these deaths should be on the head of the promoters of the scheme. The economists and others are also conspicuous by their silence. The supposed economist par excellence, namely the prime minister, is once again exhibiting a Bhishma like silence. Read more by clicking the link provided here below: Author: Subodh Ghildiyal Publication: The Times of India Date: October 2, 2009 URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/40-of-NREGA-funds-siphoned-off -in-key-districts/articleshow/5079111.cms Massive corruption in the NREGA scheme in Lalitpur, one of the most backward districts of UP, is more serious because functionaries, besides being corrupt, have also been revealed to be indifferent towards the scheme. The district has been able to spend Rs 157 crore-far short of what is required in the unirrigated region ravaged by drought. The most common irregularity is faking of old assets-roads and wells-as new, and spiriting away the allocation. Money is also being pocketed by inflating the scale of work-like construction of bunds and digging-while muster rolls have been cooked up to make fruadulent withdrawals. This was the tale across gram panchayats Patha, Bilt, Paniyara, Budera, Ram Nagar, Barethi, Sunderpur, Bhamora and Mawai. In Budera, the monitors reviewing a Jatropha plantation work of Rs 4.10 lakh, found nothing on the grounds for the Rs 80,000 that was claimed to have been spent. A well on the land of Achheylal Kushwaha was shown as a fresh construction although it has been in existence since 2004. In Sukwaha, the monitors found an ingenious way of misappropriation. The functionaries claimed payment for construction of three roads whereas they had constructed one. A road from Sukhwaha to Gundwara was made and widened alright measuring 1,280 metres. But it was found the road was also broken into two-Sukhwaha to Barai Tal and Barai Tal to Gundwara-on papers and the measurement book of the original road split. The money for one road was thus paid thrice. There are serious doubts on the construction of 'kuchcha roads' made in Patha. While a road from Patha to Sagoni (Rs 3.92 lakh) and Deviji Mandir Patha to Matauli (Rs 4.90 lakh) were made, land records show that these were existing roads. Poor workers have lost in the process. In Patha, the sarpanch kept a blank document signed by him which could be used by secretaries to create fabricated records. In a check dam, with an estimated cost of Rs 4.99 lakh, money was embezzled by passing 15 cm thick RCC slabs as 25 cm. The structure was so weak that no shutters could be put for fear of water pressure triggering a collapse. The mustser roll signatures appeared signed by one person, either the sarpanch or secretary. In Bilt, while plantation was poor, tree guards, involving material cost on cement and bricks, have been made in large number at Rs 1,200 each. The monitors found that plant survival rate was barely 10-15% while 'tree guards' had leakages up to 60%.
[Goanet] Fwd: Everything you need to know about Climate Change
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible -- Forwarded message -- From: Himal Southasian editor...@himalmag.com Date: Oct 7, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: Everything you need to know about Climate Change To: Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com Dear Venantius, In case you haven't received it yet, here is our newsletter with links to the actual articles online. Feel free to send it out on any listservs or email networks you may be on. Thank you, Editors, Himal Southasian, GPO Box 24393 Kathmandu, Nepal Tel: +977-1-5547279 www.himalmag.com [image: Himal Southasian] http://www.himalmag.com/ *OCTOBER-NOVEMBER ISSUE: CLIMATE ANXIETY - Notes to the policy Gods** * *Adam J West* *Bilash Rai*Undoubtedly, dire predictions are no longer droll. When over 10,000 heads of state, scientists, policy pushers and *climate-change wallahs *gather in Copenhagen this December (in the process generating more than 16,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide at a meet that will cost upwards of USD 65 million), it will be crucial to separate the hot air from the rhetoric. Helping the potential victims of climate change adapt to the *disastrous transitions* in livelihoods must be a priority. This includes the technology transfer from the West to the South. But prioritising adaptation by ‘buying off’ some Southern countries would be wrong, for we would then be *‘adapting’ forever*, even as climate change accelerates in the absence of effective mitigation efforts. The historical culpability of the West, going back to the Industrial Revolution’s coal-burning, naturally requires moral accountability. At the same time, the massive middle class of the South seeking to emulate the consumerist North must not be allowed to have its way. There must be a commitment to mitigate, by all of the West and the rich of the South, including Southasia. Indeed, *no adaptation without mitigation! **COVER SECTION: CONTROL THE TEMPERATURE!* *'Charting change http://www.himalmag.com/Charting-change_nw3565.html' by Kunda Dixit* *From the Himalaya to Male, there are clear signs that climate change is real. * *'Frontline nation http://www.himalmag.com/Frontline-nation_nw3567.html' * *Interview with President Mohamed Nasheed. * *'The need for a Southasian perspectivehttp://www.himalmag.com/The-need-for-a-Southasian-perspective_nw3568.html' by Shyam Saran* *We tend not to comprehend how ecologically inter-connected we are in the region. * *'Beyond sun and dunghttp://www.himalmag.com/Beyond-sun-and-dung_nw3571.html' * *Interview with Rajendra Pachauri* * 'Glaciers take the heathttp://www.himalmag.com/Glaciers-take-the-heat_nw3573.html' by Smriti Mallapaty* *The receding glaciers of the Himalaya offer a critical case study of the region’s approach to climate change.* *'Hard science http://www.himalmag.com/Hard-science_nw3574.html' * *Interview with **remote sensing specialist **Pradeep Kumar Mool.* '*The coming crisis http://www.himalmag.com/The-coming-crisis_nw3575.html' by Afsan Chowdhury* *From Bangladesh to India … and then the rest?* *'Weaker and worse http://www.himalmag.com/Weaker-and-worse_nw3576.html' by David Sassoon* *Understanding the limits of America’s international climate posture.* * **'This frog won’t leaphttp://www.himalmag.com/This-frog-won-t-leap_nw3577.html' by Vijay Prashad* *China and India must collaborate to force the West to pay for past excesses rather than plead for a ‘humanistic’ approach. * * 'Uncertainty, unclear risks and Compromised commitmentshttp://www.himalmag.com/Uncertainty-unclear-risks-and-compromised-commitments_nw3578.html' by Jayanta Bandyopadhyay and N Sundararaman * *The post-Kyoto Protocol global politics that has emerged in relation to mitigation makes the future of reductions in GHGs uncertain. * *'Southasian front http://www.himalmag.com/Southasian-front_nw3580.html' by Rishikesh R Bhandary* *A common regional platform is necessary, but India might not be the ideal leader. * *'Leading the way http://www.himalmag.com/Leading-the-way_nw3581.html' by Jessica Ayers and Saleemul Huq* *Bangladesh is the unquestioned leader on formulating adaptation policies to deal with the ramifications of climate change. * *'India’s ‘stage three’ fantasyhttp://www.himalmag.com/India-s-stage-three-fantasy_nw3582.html' by Rahul Goswami* *It does not look like India’s nuclear industry is up to the task of providing **‘clean energy’ to fuel India’s energy demand**.* *'Equalising burden-sharinghttp://www.himalmag.com/Equalising-burden-sharing_nw3583.html' by Mukul Sanwal* *While the impact of climate change is global, the response is piecemeal with an
Re: [Goanet] 'COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP OF THE ECONOMY?'
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca Michael Moore also points out that the people who caused the US banking system to collapse are now running (or is it ruining?) the US treasury. Mario observes: Those with functioning memories will remember that Mervyn and Michael Moore blindly supported the election of the US president responsible for this. Mervyn wrote: These are just scare stats, ala our good fiend, Mario, who claims that the scariest words he has heard is, I am from the Govt and I am here to help, while at the same time, he is the main beneficiary of medical help from the govt. Mario observes: This is the kind of illogical balderdash that Mervyn embarrasses himself and Goanet with. How can I be a beneficiary of a system that is projected to run out of money by 2017, which Mervyn's preferred US President is now threatening with a quicker demise by cutting $500 BILLION from its funding over ten years. Besides, the proof that the scariest words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help lies in the ONE MILLION Canadians who are on waiting lists for surgery, another ONE MILLION on waiting lists to see a surgeon so they can get on a waiting list for surgery and FIVE MILLION without a primary care physician, and arrangements now being made for Canadians to be sent to the USn for urgent tests and procedures. Mervyn wrote: Here is how it works. When the US runs a budget surplus, the dollar is strong and gold is weak. When the US has to borrow money to pay for essential govt services AND pay for an unpopular war, the US dollar becomes weak and gold becomes strong. Mario observes: More poppycock. This reminds me of the time that Mervyn seriously explained that he had picked the lowest price of gold which was in the mid 80's by a) looking at price charts in 2008, b) by buying gold because he learned that all the central bankers were selling gold [Memo: when all the central bankers sell gold the price goes down, not up], and c) by working hard like when he was lobster catching champ in East Africa. It's not that simple. When the US ran huge deficits during the Reagan years gold was fluctuating around $400 per ounce, between $300 and $500 per ounce. When we had a surplus in the 90's gold was between $300 and $400 per ounce. Towards the end of the Clinton administration when we still had a surplus, gold was below $300 an ounce. Perhaps the war is unpopular for Mervyn who sits safely in Toronto. Easy for him to say because he was not brutalized by either the Taliban or Saddam Hussein. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would be over by now if the US efforts to liberate the 50 million innocent Muslims in these countries who have proven they want freedom and democracy in multiple elections got more support from these armchair critics who bray about unpopular wars while safely enjoying the fruits of freedom themselves.
[Goanet] Ayurveda is not a miracle, it’s a sc ience, says Vaidya Bhide
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible R. K. Pachauri, chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), recently urged the media to focus on the scientific rationale for action rather than the political aspects of climate change. I disagree. Science does not and cannot provide us with our values, our sense of ethical responsibility, or our vision of the future. http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/2987/full --- On Fri, 10/9/09, SHRIKANT BARVE shri8131 at yahoo.com wrote: Ayurveda is not a miracle, it’s a science, says Vaidya Bhide, and it doesn’t have the drawbacks of Allopathy (where almost all medicines today are inorganic in nature because they’re synthesised and can, therefore, do more damage than good). He quipped, “We’re all organic, Mother Earth is organic…but even our diets are not organic anymore!” This is funny. In addition to not having a clue as to what is meant by science, this vaidya does not seem to know the difference between organic and inorganic. Is water organic or inorganic according to him? Can a person who does not understand elementary chemistry, let alone the biochemistry of the human body, be allowed to prepare and dispense his own chemicals? Don't his promoters and audience at the Goa Science Center remember anything from their high school chemistry classes? This is why we need journalists who are scientifically literate. Otherwise, we will continue to have the general public being fooled by such nonsense. Cheers, Santosh Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: We Love Ayurved 9403175973 Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Recent books from Goa... worth recommending
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought Santosh was going to post ections from Priolkar's book for review and discussion. I have not seen any. But may be I missed them. I had said I would write my own review of the book, which I will when I have some free time to do justice to it. I have already commented on Buchanan's mild account, reproduced in its entirety by Priolkar. Buchanan was another man Frederick had tried to smear and misrepresent in this forum, along with Priolkar. Some defend using Dellon's account (which I have not read) as being a victim's account. This has minor validity. This is like trying to know about cholera by reading the account of a patient. Strange logic! How about a rape victim's account of a rape committed against her? Would that be of minor validity, as well? I thought a good physician learned a lot about a disease from a patient's description of his/her own symptoms. I am sorry about a well known Christian research scholar too has endorsed this. This shows that scholars can make basic mistakes in judgment. Nothing new!!! I am glad M. D'mello and and FN are bold and have stood up. Incredible! Please note the emphasis on the religion of this research scholar and the posture of D'Mello and Noronha. This statement should tell us everything we need to know what this is all about. I had provided the endorsements of not one, but two eminent scholars, Gerald Moser and Charles Boxer. I do not know what religion they belonged to. The scholarly journals did not mention it because it should be of no consequence, if one is solely interested in the dispassionate, unvarnished, unwhitewashed truth. But any objective person would like to know what contributions to historical scholarship on the inquisition have Maurice D'Mello, Frederick Noronha and Gilbert Lawrence made for which they are standing up on Goanet, and opposing real historians. What profound independent insights have they achieved which lead them to believe that genuine historians and scholars have made basic mistakes? M. D'Mello wrote: Is this a revised addition? If not, more and more will deem that this is the truth about inquisition in Goa as this book heavily relies on Dellon's biased account in the first place. The above tells me that D'Mello has not read Priolkar's book. The book relies on the works of 50 named scholars and one anonymous work. Regarding Dellon and Buchanan, Priolkar simply reprints their accounts in Part II of his book. Unless some one brings out the truth, I am sorry to say, this will be the impression of the Inquisition. How does this man decide what the truth is? Noronha wrote: AK Priolkar's The Goa Inquisition (new edition). A book that has shaped the understanding of the Goa Inquisition, specially within South Asia, though I do not agree with its portrayal. Why does Noronha not agree with Priolkar's portrayal based on the works of 50 historians and scholars? What does he know that nobody else does? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Selma, Do you really believe that such awards are not political, and don't reflect the balance of power in the globe (even if of the only, and declining, superpower)? I also think such awards are also influenced a lot by all the media hype that emerges and makes up our mind for us. When the media turns hostile to an Obama (as it happens with many politicians in due course) then all this would be conveniently forgotten. To be fair to the Nobel industry, I think a Gandhi would have definitely got a Nobel in his time if only he had a bigger media machine hyping him (not just the Birlas, later of Hindustan Times fame, and a handful of others in his time). FN PS: Compared to a Bush, an Obama has made some interesting statements and gestures. But there is a lot more action is needed obviously, not just pious words and good sentiments. 2009/10/10 Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com: There is something seriously wrong with this Nobel Peace committee to award barack obama, the Nobel peace prize even before he could say Camp David or even smell the coffee at a serious peace accord conference. This is simply ridiculous and too insane for words. Infact from now on the Peace Prize means dirt to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Mickey Mouse is awarded the Peace prize next. -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese love for Goans!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Frederick Noronha wrote: [1] I guess Domnic's post was just a flame-bait [2] My thesis is that some Goanetters believe that colonialism-in-Goa-started-in-1961! [3] Domnic, more seriously, nice to have you back. Your posts add value to Goanet as always. FN Dears, I did not know that Flame baits were allowed on GoaNet. It appears that Frederick Noronha is writing / has written a new 'thesis' on this topic. His 2005 dogma: it was mainly those Colaco types. Bernardo, Paulo and Jose who propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory. When asked to provide proof for the above statement (with regards to Paulo and Jose), Frederick Noronha ducked. He has now resurfaced with an ostensibly modified 'thesis'. I too am happy to see Dominic back. As far as posts are concerned, my 'thesis' is that value is always added when a post is received and posted. jc
Re: [Goanet] Much to the AMUSEMENT of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca I am with the camp that wonders what Obama did to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. Mario observes: If you follow some credible sources of news, which I know is hard to do where you live, you may see that many of Obama's liberal friends, who used to take this award seriously, are wondering the same and are embarrassed and some have urged him to turn it down. Especially after the equally embarrassing snub last week in Copenhagen, where he and his wife's speeches showed they thought the Olympics were all about THEM. This was like a salesman trying to convince someone to buy what he is selling because it will benefit the salesman! Pretty amazing. But, why are is anyone surprised about the Nobel Peace Prize after the recent choices of Jimmy Carter, Yasser Arafat, Kofi Annan, Mohammad El Baradei and Al Gore, all of whom had made the world less safe by emboldening the enemies of America? Obama is a combination of all these folks, on steroids, as we can see from the accelerated hostile actions of N. Korea, Iran, Russia, Libya, Venezuela, etc. all of whom have nothing to fear as long as Obama is in charge. Until 2013, it is Israel that is the default leader of the free world. Just look at how long Obama is dawdling and dithering over a simple request by the Genaral he appointed in Afghanistan for additional resources, AFTER HE KEPT SAYING THAT AFGHANISTAN WAS HIS TOP PRIORITY. Its been about SIX WEEKS since the request with no decision in sight. He's playing politics with the lives of American soldiers in Afghanistan. No wonder the Nobel Peace Prize Committee was so impressed. This is just what they like from a US president. Besides, it was you, who is still struggling to learn how the health care system in the country you live in works for people who are seriously ill, who supported his election. So, what are you going on about? The Norwegians obviously picked someone who they hope will make the US more like them - physically and economically weak and of no use to anyone who is oppressed. Come to think of it, this is also more like Canada. They LIKE what he said he would do during the campaign. What they don't know is that he says what the people in front of him want to hear, and then conveniently forgets about it when his audience changes. Mervyn wrote: Now the reason for this post.? I think Obama should have won the Nobel prize for economics. Anyone who could stop the rot George Bush (43) set into the US economy really deserves that economic prize. Obama has put a stop to the downward economic spiral the US was in. Turning that economy around i.e. turning the budget deficits from the position it is into a positive one really requires the strength of a dozen of the Greek Gods. ?? Mario responds: Aye, aye, aye! So much misinformation, so little time! You seem to know about as little about the US economic system, where you don't live, as you do about the Canadian health care system, where you do live. You really need to start following some credible sources of information. It was Obama's party that passed the Community Reinvestment Act and it was his party that imposed the government regulations that caused the rot in the US economy. The banks later joind in the tamasha to get the regulators off their backs. George Bush and John McCain tried to stop them but were obstructed by the Democrats as illustrated by this report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM Listen carefully. You may even learn something. Bush 43 had actually engineered a recovery from the recession he inherited from Bill Clinton by cutting tax rates while making the US safe after 9/11. In addition, he led the liberation of 50 million innocent Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, much to your chagrin, while most of the rest of the world, including Obama and his party, sat on their hands or tried to obstruct him, and cheered for the US to fail.
[Goanet] Many Happy Returns!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:17:28 -0400 From: Francis Rodrigues fcarodrig...@hotmail.com 10 October - Bosco De Mello - lucid, articulate contributions and well-balanced moderation in Goan cyberspace, Joe GoaUK - a prolific contributor to Goan cyber-space, whose daily chronicling is simply phenomenal, To both these worthies - Many Happy Returns, today! Mario adds: I don't recognize any of these folks from Francis' descriptions, but Happy Birthday, anyway:-))
Re: [Goanet] 1. Re: Indian Colonoliasm (Mario Goveia)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Mario wrote: It [the USA] is struggling right now because of a misguided experiment in social engineering which started when the government imposed regulations to force banks to lend money to low income people to buy homes. Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:30:30 -0400 From: Bosco D bos...@canada.com Social Engineering?? Your posts on a regular basis smack of Social Engineering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(political_science) Mario responds: Bosco, Shouldn't one understand an issue as well as one's own references before responding to avoid unnecessary embarrassment? Here is what your own source says about social engineering: Quote: * Social engineering (political science), efforts to influence popular societies on a large scale. * Social engineering (security), the practice of obtaining confidential information by manipulating users. * Social engineering (sociology), efforts to fix a sociological problem in a society Unquote. The social engineering I was referring to was in the Community Investment Act of 1977 was intended to fix what liberal politicians saw as a sociological problem, i.e. the lack of home ownership by low income Americans. As the lone voice on Goanet of reason, truth and peace, my role is more like an informal truth detector, ombudsman and commentator. I have no ability to influence any popular society on a large scale. Wise up. Bosco wrote: Having said that you lack the skills of one K. Mitnick..perhaps for good measure. Mario responds: Perhaps that's just as well as I have no idea who K. Mitnick is.
Re: [Goanet] Is Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for India's communal tensions?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com wrote: I always thought that Frederick was a rationalist but I found his logic on that day peculiar and highly absurd to say the least. Sandeep, You were naive to believe that Noronha was a rationalist. He has always been the exact opposite. Frederick Noronha has never cared for rationalism or secularism. He is a classic knee-jerk anti-establishment cultural relativist who does not know the difference between sense and nonsense, reason and superstition, justice and prejudice, tolerance and intolerance, parochial and universal, harmful and useful, and good and bad. He also makes arbitrary exceptions to his relativist mindset when it is convenient for him to do so. For example, he fancies himself as an eastern chauvinist who believes secularism, rationalism and science are western inventions, and therefore, need to be opposed with greater vehemence than is reserved for Hindu extremism, to which he paradoxically grants an arbitrary exemption from his eastern chauvinism, when it serves his agenda. Here are quotes from his latest response in this thread, which substantiate what I am saying here: My view is that the irreligious (if not anti-religious) attitudes of some early politicians (Nehru, for instance) could well have pushed religion to the defensive, and only given a fillip after some time to the more intolerant, chauvinist and extremist faces of religion we see resurgent for the past decade and more. .Frederick Noronha Please note the twisted logic here. He blames non-religious people for the criminal behavior of religious extremists. He has no problem about taking temporary leave from his relativistic position and his senses to indulge in this flight of fancy. At one level, calling the Bhakra project as temples of modern India reflects the genuflection of a Nehru towards that god called Science and Technology, and looking down on things traditional. .Frederick Noronha Please note the absurd intolerance here towards Science and Technology, and once again, the insinuation from the context that India's problems, including religious extemism are a consequence to Nehru's affinity towards something which all rational people believe is the single most important cause of human progress. Maybe a Gandhi was more apt in understanding the role of religion in a hyper-religious space like South Asia. Such an attitude, which seeming obscurantist at first, might have been more sustainable. Frederick Noronha Please note that he conveniently forgets the historical facts that Gandhi was killed by a Hindu extremist because of his political views and actions, and that violent communalism emerged contemporaneously with Gandhi's non-violent struggle for freedom, the largest Hindu-Muslim riots having taken place during the partition, for which Gandhi was in part responsible. The traditions which Sandeep mentions about secularism come largely if not entirely from the Western world, and have little to do with the Indian reality. Here, secularism was born less out of a revolt against the Religious Orders and more out of the need for a multi-religious, multi-ethnic, multi-caste nation state to co-exist amidst all its diversity. .Frederick Noronha Please note here that he is utterly oblivious or ignorant of the history of secular thought and practice in India since at least the 5th century B.C. - the fact that the Indian tradition comprised of atheistic religions, atheistic and agnostic schools of thought, secular pluralistic religions such as those of Kabir and Akbar, and that religious minorities from other parts of the world, such as Parsees and Jews came to India to escape religious persecution, and have since lived in peaceful co-existence and harmony. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Shabbat thoughts
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS THEY ARE IN... A basketball in my hands is worth about Rs. 500/- A Basketball in Michael Jordan's hands is worth Rs. 50 crores IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS IT'S IN. A golf club is useless in my hands. A golf club in Tiger Wood's hands is a 4 Major Golf championship. IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS IT'S IN. A rod in my hands will keep away a dog or a wild animal, A rod in Moses hands will part the mighty sea. IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS IT'S IN. A slingshot in my hands is a toy, it may kill a Kingfisher bird, A slingshop in David's hand is a mighty weapon and killed a giant. IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS IT'S IN. Two fish and five loaves in my hands is a couple of fish sandwiches. Two fish and five loaves in Jesus hands will feed thousands. IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS IT'S IN. Nails in my hands might produce a bird house. Nails in Christ Jesus' hands will produce salvation for the entire world. IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS THEY'RE IN. As you see now IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS THEY ARE IN! So, put your concerns, your worries, your fears, your hopes, your dreams, your families and your relationships in God's Hands because... IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE HANDS THEY're IN. Courtesy Internet. .
Re: [Goanet] Is Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for India's communaltensions?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Floriano, what's wrong with diversity? 2009/10/10 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: Could Frederick have been pinning the blame on Nehru for disintegrating instead of integrating India when he said India's languages (parochial India) and cultures are like mosaic which needs to be preserved at all costs? -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com There is something seriously wrong with this Nobel Peace committee to award barack obama, the Nobel peace prize even before he could say Camp David or even smell the coffee at a serious peace accord conference. This is simply ridiculous and too insane for words. Infact from now on the Peace Prize means dirt to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Mickey Mouse is awarded the Peace prize next. best, selma In modern India, we Yindians have coined a special term, tailor made just for such occasions : MATCH FIXING ;-) Salaams and may you be 'baraka' Tony -- o . . o o_.__' Cheers! \~/ \ / '-.-' Tony de Sa |M: +91 9975 162 897 _|_ Ph: +91 832 2470 148 `` tonyd...@gmail.com W. Somerset Maugham: I always find it more difficult to say the things I mean than the things I don't. .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese love for Goans!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Without using the term 'flame bait' (oops!) I could just say that I saw this reply coming. Haha :-) FN PS: There should be some simple-to-remember number when one needs the cyber-fire extinguishers! But Goa's 108 might not be a good comparison right now. Or is it? 2009/10/10 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com: Dears, I did not know that Flame baits were allowed on GoaNet. It appears that Frederick Noronha is writing / has written a new 'thesis' on this topic. His 2005 dogma: it was mainly those Colaco types. Bernardo, Paulo and Jose who propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
[Goanet] Could sweets every day as kids make adults aggressive?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Aggressive adults through sweet indulgence as kids? What do you think? Con http://www.nutraingredients.com/Publications/Food-Beverage-Nutrition/FoodNavigator.com/Science-Nutrition/Could-sweets-every-day-as-kids-make-adults-aggressive/?c=KlYnp4hkqTCjFe5VO6gGbA%3D%3Dutm_source=Newsletter_Subjectutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Newsletter%2BSubject
Re: [Goanet] 1. Re: Indian Colonoliasm (Mario Goveia)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Bosco, not allowed! It's your birthday and you have to be sugar-n-spice to everyone else :-) Okay, but maybe you can scrape through, since the date-stamp shows you sent in out in the last minutes of your pre-birthday day! Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:30:30 -0400 From: Bosco D bos...@canada.com Social Engineering?? Your posts on a regular basis smack of Social Engineering: More seriously, happy birthday for Oct 10, and may you continue all the good work done to keep Goanet sailing (not to mention the football, and propagating Goa-related books in .ca!) --FN -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
[Goanet] Zinc Deficiences A Global Concern
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Zinc deficiency? Keep reading. Con http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090917115700.htm
[Goanet] Painkillers every day? No way! « He alth Revelations with Dr. William Ferril
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Another of those conflicting theories about aspirin. Read .. Con http://healthrevelations.com/2009/06/04/painkillers/
[Goanet] 'COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP OF THE ECONOMY?'
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Goanet] 'COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP OF THE ECONOMY?' Message-ID: 252117.45342...@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com RecentlyI viewed on TV, this Michael Moore accompanied several white Americans to Cuba for treatement.They were financially bankrupt after paying for huge medical bills, yetsaw no improvement or could not afford the cost of treatement or did not have medical insurance in their country. I was amazed to see the Cuban medical facilities (no wonder Comrad Castro is still alive) and all the sick people were assured free treatement or with a cost of $500. max. This is not an exageration, believe me. One more on collective ownership: The kibbutz (Hebrew word for “communal settlement”) is a unique rural community; a society dedicated to mutual aid and social justice; a socioeconomic system based on the principle of joint ownership of property, equality and cooperation of production, consumption and education; the fulfillment of the idea “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”; a home for those who have chosen it. (Is this something like 'Gaunkari'?) Rightwingers too follow this socioeconomic system!!! MD.
[Goanet] I am sure you like this - Accident 2
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible I am sure you like this - Accident 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54gDAtNPr64 With Wilson/Sharon, Sheik Amir, Sonia, Socoro de St.cruz Ben Evangelisto, Eugene, Maria, Joao, Tomazinho, Master Karan, Dynaneshwar Morajkar, Shivanand Naik, Mathias etc With little bit of Robin Vaz,. Marcelin de Betim Trio Kings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54gDAtNPr64 joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Goa news for October 11, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa: Bus trapped in deep flood waters - NDTV.com arnataka border in a place called Kudal, which is about 100 km from Goa. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/flood_fury_150_bus_passengers_trapped_near_goa.phpusg=AFQjCNFOrYqJZQ4VoJ0XVGQymIMRZqjs-A *** I-League: Sporting - Air India Match Postponed Due To Heavy Showers - Goal.com eague hasn't been the best so far for the state of Goa as rains have played a spoilsport... For the second consecutive day, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/1064/i-league/2009/10/04/1539843/i-league-sporting-air-india-match-postponed-due-to-heavyusg=AFQjCNE11GAvgjA5LCtZ4S4_Dvb9ZFn2VQ *** Goa BJP wants govt to use IFFI funds for relief work - Press Trust of India FFI-funds-to-aid-flood-hit-people-in-Canacona-BJP/articleshow/5085027.cmsusg=AFQjCNF6ZRAmfTMgHQmqaSWD_Epg6ohxFgDivert IFFI funds to aid flood-hit people in Canacona: BJP http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/312505_Goa-BJP-wants-govt-to-use-IFFI-funds-for-relief-workusg=AFQjCNE6o-4xUEX_UM8qeY2xqeZz-YfW8Q *** Sesa Goa - A long-term bet - Myiris.com SguLtM http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.myiris.com/newsCentre/storyShow.php?fileR=20091004202644202dir=2009/10/04secID=livenewsusg=AFQjCNH-E6495djH67LqtNKWtCDObqEtxA *** Goa's biggest offshore casino unfit, inferior: Ministry - Times of India iggest-offshore-casino-unfit-inferior-ministry-184687/usg=AFQjCNGYKRHEwHdyBpfIMd1KjzLkrKiYfwGoa's biggest offshore casino unfit, inferior: Ministry http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/goa/Goas-biggest-offshore-casino-unfit-inferior-Ministry/articleshow/5079782.cmsusg=AFQjCNEYQVjeNvt5jgJrTLFPOnl6I6mu_w *** PREP FOOTBALL: Muir loses on late field goa, 9-6 - Pasadena Star-News ewsBURBANK - Michael Solano kicked a 21-yard field goal with 9 seconds left to lift Burroughs High School to a 9-6 victory ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_13476393usg=AFQjCNH8sAqTYABNDYhLHJSFoIOySnMaWw *** A kiss of Goa across the border - Times of India RMand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/goa/TNNMarketdocA-kiss-of-Goa-across-the-borderAlthough-the/articleshow/5085251.cmsusg=AFQjCNGma1av1vsWYchc36kOxZocwyjQTA *** Remo laments Goa's woes in latest video - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: Rampant mining, beach erosion and over zealous exploitation of land resources in Goa find 'top of the chart' mention in noted musician and singer ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/goa/Remo-laments-Goas-woes-in-latest-video/articleshow/5086948.cmsusg=AFQjCNHc7YOiZgyRWRI7ji8c5jIQNMAXJQ *** Goa changes stand on edu hub yet again - Times of India oMand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/goa/Goa-changes-stand-on-edu-hub-yet-again/articleshow/5085074.cmsusg=AFQjCNEUSG69nZc5d0jOVmf02VHdLRvzZA *** Goa denied calamity relief funds - Herald Publications rald PublicationsGoa tops the list of five States that have been released no money from the central Calamity Relief Fund (CRF) as they did not submit the utilisation ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=28177cid=2usg=AFQjCNHgDnrJ4IR75_JFFrnX0OCXEaHnSw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Feppi Boddei, Joe-Goa_UK! Zaite Fuxial Pottun-yo? Many Happy Returns!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible , so say all of usso say all of us... for, he is a jolly good fellow... he is a prety joly good felow... Zaite pati oh dis tuka mel'lum... Alfred Mogall Joe_Goa_UK! Devan tuka bore bolaiken ani khuxalkaien dovorcho! My thanks to your real Goan niz-Goenkar heart, mind, body and soul, for doing us great favours with your carefully planned shoot-outs for the state of life in Goa today, for the glimpses of Tiatr in Goa, the bountiful nature, the flowers, the sorrow state of affairs in Goa, and the numerous videos of the latest in Goa. There may be lots of other Niz-Goenkars like you, but they don't have your resources, your energy and the time that you spend to give us the true picture of things Goan right away! For this we are in your Upkar! For your lovely nostalgic words and pictures like Katt-Kongam ( I always thought they were salted (kattuk) but they are oinnin) we thank you. Please keep writing about them and let the experts tell us otherwise and increase our knowledge of the true words of origin in Konkani. BUT KEEP WRITING ABOUT THOSE SALCETE (SAXTTI) KONKANI WORDS USED IN OLDEN TIMES. I also thank all those Goanetters and GoaResearchNetwallahs for givings us explanations and corrections especially of Portuguese words which are so well Salcetized, but which sound so nice. To JOEGOAUK, keep sending us the correct and latest image of Goa! They also serve most, who just travel and travel and stand and wait and SHOOT through the LENS! So when will you come out! Wish your parents were here to see your gifts to Goans! Mog assum di ani ilem xekoi mhojea nanvan! Kuttu! Zolmacho Diss tuzo! I nominate you for the 'TRUE SON OF GOA AWARD Silviano Barbosa October 10, 2009 _ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403 _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009
[Goanet] G'bye Goa - Migrants, necessary evil: HERALD(Goa), Oct. 11, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible G'BYE GOA: MIGRANTS, NECESSARY EVIL By Valmiki Faleiro Migrants abound Goa. Most who in-migrated between the 1960s and 1980s are well assimilated, speak the local language, and consider themselves as Goan as any other. They now own accommodation, ranging from a comfy house/flat to a shanty in a slum. Even if they had a choice, most would never return home. For them, Goa is home. We curse them, but what would Goa be without them? Let's briefly look at who powers Goa's workforce today. In manufacturing, mining, civil construction, tourism, transport, fishing, services including retail vending, and the tertiary sector, it is migrants, migrants and migrants all the way . Perhaps, 80 per cent of the way. We Goans chase only white-collar jobs. And clamour that migrants be chased away. In manufacturing, save good paymasters like Zuari, Syngenta, MRF and Nestle, bulk of manpower particularly in the Industrial Estates is migrant. Goans have developed a squinted view towards blue-collar jobs. In mining, both legal and illegal, over 50% of the workforce is migrant. Ditto with truck- tipper drivers/cleaners who shift the ore to river-loading points. Barges that take the ore to port, however, are largely manned by Goans, perhaps because diesel pilferage pays them more than their wages. (Only a cynic like me would say that chasing away migrants from mines would be a good idea. That way, Goa's current environmental destruction would be reduced by half.) Construction: Where would Goa be without migrants? From unskilled labour to all kinds of skilled/specialized workmen, Goa depends almost entirely on migrants. The only job a few Goans, mainly from the OBC community, still do is lay concrete, where wages are twice the daily average. They are now being edged out by ready-mix concrete factories, which employ migrants. Migrants today do the traditional OBC road asphalting work. We sure abhor malaria-spreading, night-thieving workers at construction sites, but try building a house exclusively with Goan labour! Tourism: Go around Goa's coastal villages, from Pernem to Palolem, from small shacks to big hotels. Who constitutes the bulk of waiters and kitchen staff? A tiny place like Palolem seasonally employs around 2,500 Nepalis alone, not to count experienced hands from touristy places like Himachal and Kerala, and of course the rest of India. Today, cooks from Orissa to Bengal dish out their version of authentic Goan Xacuti to the world. Imagine the fate of Assado and Sarapatel if they handled beef and pork. Transport: The role of Goans in ferrying the public in private buses is that of mere owners. Most I know contract their vehicles to migrant drivers/conductors for a fixed daily return. That's one of the reasons why recklessness has increased on Goa's roads. Read names of drivers charged by police as responsible for road fatalities and you will get a better idea. Fisheries: Ask any trawler-owner what his fate would be if the boat crew didn't come from elsewhere in India. Even a few days' delay in their arrival at the start of the fishing season around Nariyal Poornima would mean a huge difference to his entire year's fortunes. Because the first three or four weeks of August yield bumper crops of the prized Solar shrimp. Trawler-owners are so dependant on migrant labour that they pay substantial advances to crew at the end of season, and lose a lot when crewmembers do not show up. And consumers pay for it at Goa's fish markets. The story is not much different in the service and tertiary sectors. Almost every technician (or Service Engineer as euphemistically called in this age) that we rely on is invariably a migrant. Now revert to the scenario of what would happen to Goa if some bright day all migrants could be chased out Goa. Goa would grind to an agonizing halt the next morning! We cannot blame migrants. If Goa is changing, the cause is not them. It lies elsewhere. Let's come to that next Sunday. P.S: Laxmikant Shetgaonkar has earned his niche in history. His film, whose title translates to Man Across the Bridge, won an international award, the first-ever film in Goa's native tongue to earn such honours. A filmmaker of the stature of Shekhar Kapur had, it seems, prophesized last year that Shetgaonkar had it in him. (ENDS) The above article appeared in the Herald, Goa, edition of October 11, 2009
Re: [Goanet] Pro-Goans vs. Anti-Goans, Freedom and progress? And O Heraldo Pe. Mousinho.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Ashburn Pereira posted the following from Ashburn Leron Pereira: 1: Countless promises were given to Goans by the Indian Government but all these were eventually turned down 2: India even tried to impose the non-Goan rule of Maharastra in Goa 3: Even the renowned Goan journalist Frank Moraes felt ashamed to be an Indian because of the non-beneficial policies imposed by India 4: The letters sent by us true Goans, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão, Ashburn Pereira, and Leron Pereira never got published on O Heraldo on 1st Oct. ’09, so I ask what is R F Fernandes and Ashwin Tombat and the whole editorial group of O Heraldo trying to prove? -- My dear Ashburn Leron Pereira, There are many points in your post which are accurate. However, I am more than a little puzzled by #s 1-3 above. May I ask if you have any firm evidence to substantiate those comments? I will submit here that #s 1-3 (above) can be classified as being distinctly false. Must say that in this matter, If I were working for the Herald, I too would dump your letter into the bin. I wonder what made you juxtaposition some facts with the above non-facts. jc
Re: [Goanet] Indian ancestry revealed in massive study
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Sir, In other words, the Aryan Invasion theory is substantiated Can some one explain in simple terms please??? MD. --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Goanet News wrote: Indian ancestry revealed in massive study IANS First Published : 25 Sep 2009 03:19:58 PM IST Last Updated : 25 Sep 2009 03:58:48 PM IST LONDON: The largest ever DNA survey of Indian heritage has revealed that the population of India was founded on just two ancient groups that are as genetically distinct from each other as they are from other Asians.
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese love for Goans!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Subject: Message-ID: 11a806d20910101344k67844d3bo578fe796d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Frederick: If you are the owner, the manager or any thing similar of Goanet, please be impartial. Henrique Salles da Fonseca Lisboa - Portugal
[Goanet] Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winne
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible *Much to the chagrin of some Goanetters, the Nobel peace prize winner is...* *Sat Oct 10 11:23:46 PDT 2009* From: Carvalho elisabeth_car at yahoo.comhttp://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org * There is something seriously wrong with this Nobel Peace committee to award* barack obama, the Nobel peace prize even before he could say Camp David oreven smell the coffee at a serious peace accord conference. This is simplyridiculous and too insane for words. Infact from now on the Peace Prizemeans dirt to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Mickey Mouse is awarded thePeace prize next. Joao observes: After the Nobel peace prize was awarded to Henry Kissinger how can you say something like this? Anyway, let's move on. The day Obama became President of the U.S. he should have been awarded the Peace prize. The greatest office on this planet has been won by a brown man (most of us Goans and Indians should be especially proud!) although Americans who are colour blind refer to him as black as the only colour of value over the centuries has been white. Yes, We Can is more than a mere slogan, it is a call to people all over the world, to all minorities all over the world, irrespective of colour or caste or whatever to demand their rights as human beings. Meanwhile, we, who belong to a country of more than one billion people should continue to ponder and wonder: Can India do an Obama? * best, selma* In modern India, we Yindians have coined a special term, tailor made justfor such occasions : MATCH FIXING ;-)Salaams and may you be 'baraka'Tony-- o . . o o_.__' Cheers! \~/ \ / '-.-' Tony de Sa | M: +91 9975 162 897 _|_ Ph: +91 832 2470 148 `` tonydesa at gmail.comhttp://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org W. Somerset Maugham: I always find it more difficult to say the things Imean than the things I don't..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:
Re: [Goanet] Is Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for India's communal tensions?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible 2009/10/10 Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com: .Frederick Noronha Please note here that he is utterly oblivious or ignorant of the history of secular thought and practice in India since at least the 5th century B.C. - the fact that the The only problem of getting into a discussion with the Santosh Helecar -- apart from his last-wordism -- is his tendency to use dozens of adjectives to describe anyone who disagrees with his point of view. Besides, Santosh also tends to personalise the debate so much (repeatedly dragging in names, with unflattering terms), which also makes it not worth a debate! I leave it to readers to judge who's saying what, and who's distorting who's words! FN -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
[Goanet] The Creepy Times 34
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible The Wolf Snake The common wolf snake is one of the few snakes that actually seems to profit by a man-made environment. Houses with tiled roofs are their favorite hideouts. They are expert climbers and slide in between wooden beams with dexterity. Catching them on a roof is tricky business indeed since they always have the upper hand on this one (well maybe I should say that they have all the advantage since hands don't apply to them!). Sometimes though they might hide in the hollow created for the wooden beam that slides shut old Goan house doors. These hollows are more than a meter in length inside the wall and pulling out a foot long snake from the depths within isn't a walk in the park either! The strangest place I've pulled out a wolf snake from is inside the chain guard of a motorcycle. How and why the snake had got in there I can only guess. I had to dismantle half the guard before I could access the greasy snake. Snake rescuing calls for mechanical skills as well! Wolf snakes are fairly aggressive reptiles and won't hesitate to bite when first caught. When first touched the tendency of a wolf snake is to sit coiled and unmoving. If the touch stimulus continues though the wolf snake will uncoil and thrash and twist around madly. Wolf snakes get their name from the long front teeth they possess. Presumably these help the snakes get a good grip on geckoes (their favorite prey). The wolf snake's dark color marked with white bands across the body confuses most people into falsely identifying it as a common krait. Adding to the confusion is the fact that the wolf snake and the common krait are both nocturnal snakes and therefore likely to be spotted during the same time. An easy way to tell them apart is to notice the lines running across the snake's body. The difference between the two is that the wolf snake has white bands markedly more prominent in the head region which disappear towards the tail end. The krait, on the other hand, has thin white lines mostly located in the posterior half of the snake's body, but disappearing toward the head. In Goa wolf snakes come in two different color morphs. One of the morphs is darkly colored with the characteristic bands across the body. The other is much lighter and lacks bands altogether.
[Goanet] A tale of ulhas-os
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible It all started when a plague virus descended upon the inhabitants of Old Goa in mid 18th century. Its people ran away as far as they could from the epicentre of the plague. Most of them migrated to Bardez via canoes plying in the rivers between Divar and Chorao islands. The well to do proceeded towards Panjim the new capital of Goa. But there were others from villages surrounding Old Goa like Korbomle who apparently did not fit in well with those who migrated to Bardez and Panjim and so they chose to flee down to South.They ran like ''Speedy Gonzalez '' till they reached Vel-he and did not wish to proceed any farther south. So like an American general, made their Custer's Last Stand and dug in Vel=he. Settled down in this village as moradores but succeeded in landowning business so much that they as moradores bhatkars gave a sort of complex to local gaunkar bhatkars. I wonder why bhatkars say from, Cansaulim, Majorda . Varca. Navelim and Chinchinim did not welcome \ them in their midst, could it be they suspected them to be potential carriers, well, answers may never be found. Being so close and now so far away in Vel-he for over two centuries from the centro of power in Old Goa /Panjim may have made their hearts grow fonder and it would be appear they are still very much in love with the Portuguese.
[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: Walkover? Ttenxonn Kiteak?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Walkover? Ttenxon Kiteak? Chalu vorsachea Otumbrache 1ler thavn 50 hozaram voir mahest-denngi (gifts-in-kind) ditoleak, kor (tax) lagu zatolo mhunn, Central Board of Direct Taxes (CBDT) hannim IT Act 1961 hacher haddarun kaido chalik laila. Denngikaran vo denngi divpean affidavit korun, denngi ghetoleachem avoy, bapui, dhuv, put, bhav vo bhoinn koslem natem (kin) asa tem jahir kelear, tankam voilo kor lagu zavncho nam, oxem CBDT odhikarean fuddem kolit kelam. Camilo boro bhurgo zalear ek khoddegant futboll khellgodi. Futboll moidonar to porzollta. Sodanch to aple ttimink zoit dita ani tannem goal marun dilolea zoitachi khobor sogllea disaleancher chappun yeta mhunntoch, tachem nanv vollkiche zaun ghelam. Tachea khellpache huxarkayek ani bore xistik lagon, ganvchea bhatkarachea tegam dhuvantli vhoddli dhuv mogan asa. Camilo modlea klasintlo zaun aslolean, zati-kati manddpi bhatkar, aple vhoddle dhuven vichun kaddlolea soirigotticher ragar zata ani tacho mog nhoikarunk aple dhuvek koddok utramni xiddkaita. Punn jitt khellpi dhuve mukhar bapaichem xannponn cholona zaun, Camilo ani Joan-achi ixttagott, fuddlea mhoineant thavn kazarachea ekvottan ghott zaunchi asa. Punn…. Porchea disaleacher voili bhatmi vachun, Camilo bexttoch pertubado (disturb) zala. Khorem mhollear tannem vhokoll-bai Joan-achea ghorchea thaim, dott nhoi mhunn dennem magunk nam. Joan-achea girest avoy-bapaichi khuxi, aple morgadd dhuvek ek flett, gaddi, ani her vilaxi (luxurious) mahest-dennem koxem divnchem. Oxem tor, voir aslole bhatme pormonnem Joan-achea bapain, apnnalem dhuvek gifts in kind dita mhunn tannem affidavit toyar korun, IT odhikareank kollit korunk nibel gorjechem. Ani oxem zalolem Camilo-k naka aslem. Kiteak? Lok khoim somzotolo? Dottivinem to kazar zala mhunn? Voilea kaidean, tachim chintnam padd ghalim. Ani tatuntlean tatum anik ek dhoko mhollear, kalchea Sunkrarak hea vorsantli futboll league suru zaunchi asloli. Kaim futboll mahasongoth-ache (football federation) sokoile dorjeche vagnnukek lagon, league-k khelltole ttimini futboll moidonar walkover diun, fuddarak hea movsomantli league chalu astoli vo nam ho ek vhodd prons dor ek farik kelolea khellgoddeak, chintnachea moidonar xennoila. Ani hem pikasanv Camilo-k sottaitana…. “So what! Tuzo futboll khell tuka posta? Hoi? Tor kitem zalem? Tumche ttimin walkover dilear? Ani tum mhaka kitem sangunk aila? Mhojea mogacher walkover …….” “Joana please! Hea vellar mhojim bhavnnam (feelings) somoz…” “Koslim bhavnnam? Mhojea moga vonn tuzo futboll khell vhodd? Mogacho teag havem keleat. Tujea moga khatir mhojea bapai koddlean nixttur utrancho mar khaila. Tuka, tuzo futboll khell vhodd vo hanv?” “Aikun ghe! Futbollavixim hanv titlem ttenxon ghena. Don mhoinem uprant gifts in kind ho kaido pas korunk zai aslo mhunn, hanvem tuka poir ugddas kelolo. Havem tuzo niz mog kela. Tuje bore gunn ani vagnnunk mhoje avoyk avoddlolean, ticheach axirvaddan havem tuka mhojem korun ghetlam, ani nhoi tuje bapaichea gireskayek bhulon.” “Oh I see! Hem sodanch tum mhaka sangot aila. Tor kitem zalem mhozo avoy-bapui aple kkuxen mhaka mahest-dennem dita zalear?” “Amkam flett kiteak zai aslem? Amchem lhanxem ghor……..” “Hum! Atam somzolim. Mhojem aik Mhaka flett zai mhunn, havem mhojea bapaik vinonti keloli” “Punn kiteak?” “Vachunk nam tuvem? Hea disamni gorom-gorom paper-ancher chappun yetoli bhatmi” “Kosli?” “All India Mother-in-law Protection Forum, hachi” “Hi kosli sonstha?” “Amchea Bharotan joint family poddot asa. Kazar zolole put ekach ghorant ravtat ani tanchi avoy ghor choloita. Sun-sasumaimcho vadvivad zaun thodde pavtti sune koddlean sasuk opmanachea utrancho mar khavncho poddtta. Ken’nai hangar hat zata. Hem soglle char vontti bhitor cholta. Bhailo somaz sasumaimchem dukh aikunk toyar nam. Dekhunuch, sunam koddlean tras nam mellche mhunn Dil’li, Mumbai-che sasumaimni andolona (campaign) suru keleant. Lohu-lohu korun, Bharot desachea dusrea prathant pavtolim ani Goyam pavunk fattim nam.” “Tor kitem zalem? Mhoji avoy, sunnek tras ditoli tosli nhi.” “Kazar zavnchea adim ek rong asta ani kazara uprant topia bhaxen rong bodolta. Irlexe chukik vo somzonenk lagon maim-sunechem kestanv suru zata” “Osli dharunai tujea vo mhojea avoy sovem ghoddchi nam” “Ani ti ghoddchea adim, mhojea bapain mhoji surokxe khatir mhaka 3 bed rumamchem flett toyar kelam. Az tumche ttimin walkover ghetlo mhunn tuka khub ttenxon zalam. Toslim ttenxona sonsunk, mhojea bejeak sokott nam. Tea khatir, kazar zalea uprant
Re: [Goanet] Casino propaganda misfired
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible If Soter will remember, we (Goa Su-Raj Party) had come out with a widely distributed leaflet sounding alarm bells when Manohar Parrikar's BJP was introducing IFFI to Goa. In that leaflet, we had said that Goa, which is a short flying distance from the Commercial Capital of India - Mumbai, will unload its extra-baggage of VICES onto Goa. That Goa must be prepared with proper infrastructure, meaning policy matters, rules and regulations before opening it up to these mega events in its raw and primitive form. Naturally, we take pride for having sounded the Goan ears that matter at the right moment of time. But did anyone listen? Given a primitive, rural hinterland back-water village anywhere in the world, there will be gambling, sex and crime. This cannot be taken away since the human being has created and/or needs these diversions. We find this from time immemorial. Therefore, as long as there is human habitation, there will be vice. However, as affluence starts gaining, the primitive vices gain in stature. Goan society is galloping towards affluence. And therefore sophistication in vices is bound to take over. Voila! we have sex rackets being operated left right and centre from hotels, motels, private residences, beauty parlors what have you. Sophisticated sex models are descending on Goa seeking affluent customers. We had one floating casino. How did the Mandovi get crowded so? Not inevitable? Goan boys working on cruise ships could work closer to home for almost the same perquisites and salaries. Why not? Upcoming Goa is beckoning every talent and artistic streak. Why not? Can this be stopped? Whether anyone likes it or not, whether any government bans it or not, there will always be vices in their regenerative forms. The only satisfaction we, as a State of Goa must have is the right infrastructure to uphold the law and the dignity of the State that it deserves. When money is to be made, the very first to suffer is the law and the dignity. Does Goa and Goans want to uphold these to perfection is a million dollar question. And the deciding factor is the voting booth - ultimately. Goa has voted. It has to watch and wait until it is time to say Goa wants a repeat or not. Nothing can and will be done before that time arrives. Goans must decide if they want to march the streets in protests waving placards, sit in darnas, storm offices, sit in hunger strikes or write reams of paper as articles and letters to editors, and as some say, make a profession of it, or wait until the time is ripe and cut the cancer and throw it out calling the past as a bad mistake. We must be happy that one of the good benefits of the liberation of Goa (or its conquest, if one likes) is that it has given us 'democracy' wherein we can CHOOSE what to have and what not to have. And it goes without saying that if we choose, we cannot complain. Can we now? And, we have said all this to show our solidarity with what Soter has said in his write-up above even if our way of saying things may conflict with what he has said. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: soter so...@bsnl.in To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:04 AM Subject: [Goanet] Casino propaganda misfired I am forwarding this opinion that was sent to Herald on 18/09/09 but has not been published. A sudden silence seems to have descended in the Goan media after raisng the controversy but probably realising later that it has misfired. The debate on casinos and its holy claims of providing employment to thousands of Goan youth needs to be revived to expose the reality.
