{greenyouth} Who will moderate the moderator?

2007-09-29 Thread Ranjit Ranjit
hi all, IT IS AGAIN AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF GREEN TERROR UNLEASHED BY GREENYOUTH recently Delhi High Court has sentenced journos for exposing Jusitce Sabbarval. I m not going inot the details of the case, but it s raised the need for moderating moderators. i find resonce in Anivar's caste

{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread jenny chithra
dear friends, this is in response to ranjith's call to protest against anivar putting him in moderation and then blocking mails. anivar i think is unjustly exercising his power as moderator in moderating ranjith just for views expressed against a public figure. i also don't see why geedha's mails

{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread sreejith ..in the lap of winter..
On 29 Sep, 11:08, jenny chithra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear friends, this is in response to ranjith's call to protest against anivar putting him in moderation and then blocking mails. anivar i think is unjustly exercising his power as moderator in moderating ranjith just for views

{greenyouth} Re: eternal vigil..

2007-09-29 Thread Murali K Warier
I thought 'buffer zone' was as defined in the tree-zone model of protected areas, core, buffer and tourism zones. My understanding is that the first one is necessary, whereas the other two are not. Also, the status of the zones themselves could vary: Silent Valley core could be an NP, whereas the

{greenyouth} fwded: A WAR CRIMINAL LECTURESTHE WORLD ON HUMAN RIGHTSArticle by Bill Van Auken

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
*Bush At The UN: A War Criminal Lectures The World On Human Rights* *By Bill Van Auken* 27 September, 2007 *WSWS.org http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/bush-s26.shtml* *G*eorge W. Bush delivered his next to the last annual address to the United Nations General Assembly Tuesday. Taking

{greenyouth} BUSH MAKES MOCKERYOF UN DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN NY SPEECH: Article By Matthew Rothschild

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
*Bush Makes Mockery Of UN Declaration Of Human Rights In NY Speech* *By Matthew Rothschild* 27 September, 2007 *The Progressive http://www.theprogressive.org/* *A*t his speech to the UN, Bush had the audacity to invoke the Universal Declaration of Human Rights several times, despite the fact

{greenyouth} MODERATION AND CENSORSHIP

2007-09-29 Thread C.K. Vishwanath
The new syber communitarian politics has given us new chances for political communications and networks.Internet activist kim who is using this opportuinty in London for Burmmese people. Actually,Ranjith language reminds me of 70's dalit panther activist.As far as iam concerned,This is a positive

{greenyouth} FULL TEXT OF IRANIAN PRESIDENT AHMEDINEJAD'S REMARKS AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
*Full Text Of Ahmadinejad's Remarks At Columbia University * *By Mahmoud Ahmadinejad* 27 September, 2007 *Fars News Agency* *Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad addressed students and professors at the US Columbia University during his short sojourn in New York before his address at the 62nd

{greenyouth} Fwd: Punjabis alone are poisoning themselves?

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
... But the successes of the green revolution are in retreat. ... Use of sewage and industrially contaminated water for irrigation has drenched Punjab's soils in heavy metals and other poisons. ... Meanwhile, the report by Punjab's government encourages farmers to alleviate the twin crises of

{greenyouth} silent beauty

2007-09-29 Thread Sudhir Devadas
On 9/29/07, Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! I second you! Take a look at some breathtaking pictures of Silent Valley here: http://www.silentvalleynationalpark.com/gallery.htm have a dekho.. http://www.malabarphoto.com/html/gallery.htm regards, sudhir

{greenyouth} Fwd: MODERATION AND CENSORSHIP

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
-- Forwarded message -- From: Venugopalan K M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sep 29, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: {greenyouth} MODERATION AND CENSORSHIP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The moderation here definitely smacks of double standards, knowingly or unawares displayed. How the issue be got

{greenyouth} 'the modernist papers' - jameson

2007-09-29 Thread Sudhir Devadas
*A new perspective on Proust, Joyce, Kafka and others from master of literary theory *Cultural critic Fredric Jameson, renowned for his incisive studies of the passage of modernism to postmodernism, for the first time since his acclaimed *A Singular Modernity* returns to the movement that

{greenyouth} 'little bird' or unalloyed joy

2007-09-29 Thread Sudhir Devadas
dear all, what they really meant was the eighth wonder! for his sake we can even pass up the english infatuation with a royal-manqué... regards, sudhir Time for another dribble down memory lane, this time with Garrincha opening his box of tricks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V6y5P050M. This

{greenyouth} Uses and (Mis)uses of polemics

2007-09-29 Thread Bee
i agree with Christy (quoting ilaih) on the political uses of polemics. But, the lesson that i have learnt from all that has happened in the group, and that has happened to the cyber identity of ranjit in particular is that: Polemics is politically useful and personally damning! People, who were

{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread Sreejitha P V
Anivar, I think Geedha's mail is particularly relevant here as it points to the way women's participation in an issue is analysed. Sugathakumari can be placed in termes of her husband? Renjith Who decides what is the hegemonic act?I think since so many identities are merged, it is not so simple

{greenyouth} Re: ICTs, potentials of Digital media Moderation

2007-09-29 Thread sanil v
It is a understandable common mistake as you missspelled wikipedia as wikia here. Wikipedia is the Free Knowledge,not for profit, encyclopedia and wikia is for porofit company by Jimmy wales, One of the founders of Wikipedia No! I meant Wikia (jokingly) alluding to the censorship wikia

{greenyouth} Re: the article written by vellayudhan nair in madrubhumi when sugathakumari was the chairperson of womens commission

2007-09-29 Thread Bee
It is a valuble piece, (i have been searching for this hateful piece for so long, so, thanks geedha), though i dont know why women (even problematic figures like sugathakumari) should be held responsible for their husbands' views, regards, bindu On 29/09/2007, Ranjit Ranjit [EMAIL PROTECTED]

{greenyouth} Fwd: {greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread geedha geedha
-- Forwarded message -- From: geedha geedha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sep 29, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: {greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com dileep i think u stands for the struggles which will never end in success or which will never be

{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread carmel christy
Friends, Happy to see that Geedha's forwarded article is released at last.. i was tryin to connect wit what she wrote in the last mail Since modernity is still a largely incomplete project in a country like India, my theoretical aspirations to hold a postmodern standpoint is encumbered by the

{greenyouth} ARROGANCE AND INSOLENCE IN THE AGE OF EMPIRE

2007-09-29 Thread Sudhir Devadas
*Arrogance and Insolence in the Age of Empire *** Editorial *By Ben Tanosborn * *Arrogance and Insolence in the Age of Empire* Just like some rather assertive domestic servants of old, or today's proud Mac users, I don't do Windows. Metaphorically speaking, that is! What I really

{greenyouth} Madhyamam Azhchappathippu

2007-09-29 Thread Dileep Raj
Publication editor of madhyamam clarified certain positions over phone to me today. They have assigned Geetha to write that article. After giving our letter, Geetha's reply and accused person's explanation, they stopped the discussion as couple of takes received were ' focussing on person than

{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread Ranjit Ranjit
to sreejitha just forwarding from an interesting piece: The theory that cyberspace is an open space is at once true and not so true. There are protocols of appreciation of the cyberspace and its various cultural products or goods. These protocols of appreciation are protocols of exclusion. The

{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread Dileep Raj
Dear Jenny, Christy and Bindu, I personally argue with those people whom I respect and consider in equal terms. [I know well how certain people who are patronising and always stay at a safe distance in a ' benign' way] I raised a question to Ranith based on his writing. He replied by way of

{greenyouth} Let's wish them well - [or should we?]

2007-09-29 Thread Murali K Warier
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/73._.html An article by Jaithirth 'Jerry' Rao. I generally agree with Jerry that partition had good (unintended) consequences. But his idea about a buffer state against barbarians from north is a lot off the mark. Today, neither Iran nor Afghanistan is in a

{greenyouth} Eco-Legal camp at Athirappilly

2007-09-29 Thread Anivar Aravind
Original Message Subject:Eco-Legal camp at Athirappilly Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:57:06 +0530 From: Chalakudi river Protection Forum CPF [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings from Chalakudiriver Protection Forum As already informed to you all, a two day Eco-Legal Camp is

{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

2007-09-29 Thread sanil v
--- Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Let me show how bad this could turn out to be by a thought experiment. I see Sanil writing in support of Ranjith's rights in this list. I could forward a scanned copy of Ranjith's published letter

{greenyouth} Re: Let's wish them well - [or should we?]

2007-09-29 Thread Murali K Warier
Or rather, we should concentrate on non-geographical and non-petty issues like: 1) Full text of Ahmedinejad's address at Columbia university 2) Bush's disregard for UN declaration of human rights That was well thought out and logical! Best regards, Murali. On 9/30/07, Venugopalan K M [EMAIL

{greenyouth} Reply to Arunima's question on Moderation some reflections

2007-09-29 Thread Anivar Aravind
Arunima G wrote: Recently someone posted a mail characterising this entire discussion as intellectual masturbation. Now I personally respond to that as one should to someone who is onanistically challenged - but why is that language not objectionable? The moderator must respond to this, and

{greenyouth} Re: Language, Polemic and Moderation: Towards a Dalitbahujan critique of cyberspace

2007-09-29 Thread Ranjit Ranjit
they are theoretical propositions with a life time of action, thought and research behind them.. i agree. but these theoretical propositions were polemically argued in public as well and what do you think, when someone raises the issue of 'invisibility of dalits ' or 'visibilty' of hegemony s/he

{greenyouth} Re: Uses and (Mis)uses of polemics

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
While I fully agree that Ranjith's polemical contribution has been a powerful source of energy to continue the wavering struggle in the Chithralekha's cause, I don't take the latter part of your observation; the thought of one being 'used' merely as a cannon-fodder for political aims whatever

{greenyouth} Re: the article written by vellayudhan nair in madrubhumi when sugathakumari was the chairperson of womens commission

2007-09-29 Thread Arunima G
As a long standing [or crawling?!:)] theravu insider, full of more vice than poor Velayudhan Nair can ever imagine, I must say I was utterly amused to read the rather ridiculous little piece written by him about the real roots of violence against women. While I agree, in part, with Bindu that one

{greenyouth} On Personalities and debates

2007-09-29 Thread Ranjit Ranjit
The tragic disposition of the people who rule greenyouth has been that personal attacks divert attention from discussion. They have maintained it, though at times succumbing to the very logic they pretend to serve. Anivar, dileep, etc. hav shown at times to personally attack in order to prove

{greenyouth} Fwd:from Anand Kumar :The ongoing discussions on Article 21 NOW

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
- Dear Friends and comrades, I think we should look at the concept oh human right in it's proper political historical and theritical context the human rights discourse or the denial of human rights in India should be seen in the context of incomplete modernities or fractured modernity of the post

{greenyouth} Re: the article written by vellayudhan nair in madrubhumi when sugathakumari was the chairperson of womens commission

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
Vvahh vahh! this is exactly the the kind of concern our sakshara keralam sundarakeralam in general, has with 'peedanam' . you cannot always be 'decent' while you are tired of this kind of culture talk, which unfailingly despise the victim women / poor people / the working class on the one hand,

{greenyouth} Dalit victim fears for his life

2007-09-29 Thread Ajay
*Dalit victim fears for his life *http://www.hindu.com/2007/09/30/stories/2007093055021200.htm* *Meena Menon * Police register case 12 days after attack * -- * Eight of the accused arrested on August 17, released on bail The accused roam freely in the village and

{greenyouth} UP girl dies over a bowl of rice

2007-09-29 Thread Ajay
*UP girl dies over a bowl of rice* http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftnavigation/news/india/up-girl-dies-over-a-bowl-of-rice.aspx *By AMITA VERMA* Lucknow, Sept. 29: She fought with her younger brother over a small bowl of rice. The brother managed to snatch away the rice and the

{greenyouth} Re: Let's wish them well - [or should we?]

2007-09-29 Thread Venugopalan K M
I would like to share my view that it's time we stopped our concerns being deflected by this kind of geographically oriented, quasi-expansionist, militaristic, Indian Exceptionalist petty preoccupation with shallow nationalistic sentiments, even as the political class is often seen caught red-