One simple question: How much did GL loose due to STW3 being pirated?
Answer, who cares he set a record at the box office for revenue anyway!
If I'm a lazy apathetic ass who d/ls movies or waits watches on cable
(hbo, showtime, etc...) what money did they or do they stand to gain
from me in the
Whoops, thought that went to trash!
warpmedia wrote:
One simple question: How much did GL loose due to STW3 being pirated?
Answer, who cares he set a record at the box office for revenue anyway!
Just so folks don't think I'm a wacko commie here's my perspective again -
I believe copyright protection is a privelege granted by the
Constitution and regulated by congress to the producers of scientific
or artistic works. The founders did this to compensate those
producers for their work and
On a related note, here is some humor for all:
From here
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=q=pirated+movies
to here
http://www.ezmovies.net/?hop=tl1movies
to here
http://www.eff.org/share/
to here
http://www.eff.org/share/?f=compensation.html
Play with fire
From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:26:12 -0300
At 12:59 PM 06/07/2005
From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd.,
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:36:04 -0300
At 01:30 PM 06/07/2005
-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,
Ltd.,et al.
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:46:01 -0400
They should just sue the internet for making it easy to pirate movies.
I wish people would stop going to the movies and stop buying music in
response to these stupid lawsuits. Ultimately, fair-use
At 01:42 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
That's what demo software is for. Fully working demo software is available
for just about any kind of app today. These days, acquiring a pirated
version is growing harder to legitimize with the try-before-buy defense.
Except that the demos I've
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:48:40 -0300
At 01:42 PM 06/07/2005
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
I think what he's getting at is downloading a TV show from the internet that
he did *NOT* record himself, but could have. Is that illegal?
Just send the broadcasting company a zero dollar check to pay for your
rights to view the show. It's 10x the cost
At 02:25 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=injustice
in·jus·tice n.
Violation of another's rights or of what is right; lack of justice.
A specific unjust act; a wrong.
Last I checked, stealing is wrong and stealing a pirated work is a
violation of
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Ltd.,et al.
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:52:43 -0400
So it IS ok to copy copyright works?
On 7/6/05, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:39:27 -0300
At 02:25 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=injustice
in·jus·tice n.
Violation
At 03:09 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
Downloading a ISO copy of a DVD movie you have not purchased is stealing.
Stealing is universally wrong and punishable the world over. I think it is
you that is misunderstanding the incredibly simple definition of injustice.
No, it's downloading -
At 03:29 PM 06/07/2005, j m g wrote:
no no no - it's not stealing, it's copyright infringement
justice, in practice, is not simple - it usually depends on which side
you're on
Thanks. A voice of reason.
T
For a $30 DVD it had better have some really good bonus features,
interviews, etc.
If it's the plain movie, then no. If there is some value added above and
beyond the movie itself, then yes.
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 03:22 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
work deserves the same amount
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:29:08 -0400
no no no - it's not stealing, it's copyright infringement
justice, in practice, is not simple - it usually depends on which
At 03:53 PM 06/07/2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
For a $30 DVD it had better have some really good bonus features,
interviews, etc.
Remember I'm speaking Canadian. :)
If it's the plain movie, then no. If there is some value added above and
beyond the movie itself, then yes.
But when does one have
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:34:04 -0300
At 03:09 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
Downloading a ISO copy of a DVD movie you
I'll put in a lame 'me too' on that opinion :)
From what I've heard I'm a little more fortunate as I'm in the UK and the
recording/movie industry isn't quite as controlling. For instance I've not
paid full price for a CD or DVD for years. Most of my purchases are from
online vendors offering up
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:47:28 -0300
At 03:22 PM 06/07/2005
At 03:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
So a man who spends $50,000 to create an instructional video to sell on
his website all of the sudden has his video is put on p2p and completely
kills his sales (as evidenced by downloads from various BT trackers and
the sales of prior video
: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,
Ltd.,et al.
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:04:45 +0100
I'll put in a lame 'me too' on that opinion :)
From what I've heard I'm a little more fortunate as I'm in the UK and the
recording/movie industry isn't quite as controlling. For instance
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:07:17 -0300
At 03:59 PM 06/07/2005
At 04:17 PM 06/07/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote:
FWIW: SOMEONE bought it at the price he was asking, in fact, by the way I
read it he had a steady revenue stream. Then the video appeared on P2P
and it just happened to coincide with when sales stopped.
Very hard to compete with free.
I
At 04:21 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
However there is no difference in the level of injustice between my
example and a filthy rich company that pollutes water and kills cute
kittens who has the same thing happen to their video release. Wrong is wrong.
Yes it is. And once again,
At 04:25 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
Judging by the BT tracker statistics (amount of times the rip was
downloaded) and prior sales of his series, yes I would say he lost close
to that from P2P leeches.
But was he overpriced for his market? Was there a market? These are
questions
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:34:37 -0300
At 04:21 PM 06/07/2005
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Thane Sherrington wrote:
What comes around goes around and all that.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Christopher Fisk
--
Zoidberg: That's where I'm meeting Uncle Zoid for lunch to discuss my
Hollywood dream. The next time you see me, don't be surprised
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Downloading a ISO copy of a DVD movie you have not purchased is stealing
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At 03:59 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
So a man who spends $50,000 to create
Well put, I completely agree with you, however, in the end there is going
to have to be some kind of middle ground. There is nothing really new
happening here. The media industry has always been opposed to new
technology going back to the player piano, the first real to real Ampex
tape
At 08:24 PM 7/6/2005, Winterlight typed:
The only way the media industry are going to come out of this, is to
change their thinking, and come up with new ways to market old products.
There was a little local coffee shop that use to play audio CDs that she
had purchased when a RIAA
But what it also doesn't do is give clarity to allowing the suits in
the first place. They've opened the door to folks to let the courts
decide if there was any 'promotion of infringement' by the hardware or
software vendors.
My Subaru's tv ad had 0-60 times as 5.4 secs - are they promoting
Next time somebody kills their spouse with a hammer, the next of kin should sue Sears.
On 7/5/05, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But what it also doesn't do is give clarity to allowing the suits inthe first place.They've opened the door to folks to let the courtsdecide if there was any 'promotion
They should just sue the internet for making it easy to pirate movies.
I wish people would stop going to the movies and stop buying music in
response to these stupid lawsuits. Ultimately, fair-use rights are going
to be eliminated, and we'll all be forced to live in a safe, happy DRM
land,
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