[IAEP] Recover Email?

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi folks...

Now that the old @laptop.org email addresses have been retired, I am running 
into a snag when I try to log into sites where I originally registered with 
that email. I can't get verified and access my previous accounts. Is there a 
way I can temporarily re-activate that email address to log into these sites 
and then make changes when I am there?

Thanks in advance and stay safe... wear a mask!

Caryl aka GrannieB
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tom Gilliard

[Caryl Bigenho]

Very sorry to hear that one of the long-time volunteers is gone. He will be 
missed.

Caryl (aka GrannieB)

From: IAEP  on behalf of Sumit Srivastava 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 5:36 AM
To: Vaibhav Aren 
Cc: Sugar-dev Devel ; Hrishi Patel 
; Jaskirat Singh ; Dave 
Crossland ; iaep 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tom Gilliard

Extremely sad to hear about this news.

- Sumit

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 2:01 PM Vaibhav Aren 
mailto:vaibhavda...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Very sad to hear. He was always around in IRC. Will miss him.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Hrishi Patel 
mailto:hrishipate...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's so sad. He helped me a lot in testing.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 11:12 AM Jaskirat Singh 
mailto:juskirat2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Very sad to hear that.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2020, 8:44 am Dave Crossland, 
mailto:d...@lab6.com>> wrote:
Very sad news. Thanks for sharing
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs changing directions

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...

This is a very positive step that should have happened a long time ago when it 
was first proposed and discussed in a visioning discussion at an OLPC-SF 
meeting many years ago. I hope we do it wisely, checking on which state's laws 
of incorporation are most advantageous for us before committing to anything.  I 
look forward to seeing this happen soon!

Caryl (aka GrannieB)


From: IAEP  on behalf of Karen Sandler 

Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 7:46 AM
To: Walter Bender
Cc: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs changing directions

To add to what Walter has said, we're also glad we had the chance to
work together all of these years! While it was tough for us to come to
the decision to terminate Sugar Lab's fiscal sponsorship agreement, we
know it's the right move for Sugar to have a new chapter. We believe
strongly in Sugar Labs' mission and look forward to seeing you succeed.
In short, we're really excited to help Sugar Labs get on its feet in a
new organization!

I'm available to make sure this happens as smoothly as possible and am
available on IRC, email or phone to answer any questions anyone has
about the process.

karen


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On 2019-05-06 10:15, Walter Bender wrote:
> For those of you who were not able to attend the most recent Sugar
> Labs oversight board meeting [1], on 3 May, I wanted to share with you
> an important decision made by the board.
>
> Sugar Labs has been a member project of the SFC since 2008 and
> operated under the SFC guidelines during that period. For the most
> part it has been a productive and amicable relationship but there have
> been a few bumps in the road, when Sugar Labs community members have
> had difficulty adhering to some of the SFC guidelines. After several
> attempts to foster a less contentious relationship, it was determined
> that the best course of action is to make a change.
>
> The board unanimously passed a motion to form a 501(c)(3) with the
> intent of moving Sugar Labs resources, infrastructure, and funds into
> it. [2]
>
> Devin Ulibarri, our Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) liaison
> communicated this decision to Karen Sandler,  the executive director
> of the SFC, who responded that the SFC would "be happy to help form
> the new organization."
>
> Personally, I consider our membership in the SFC as a way-point along
> a continuing journey to bring the best in Free/Libre software to
> education. While I appreciate the work we have done with the SFC for
> more than ten years, I look forward to a new model of independence for
> Sugar Labs.
>
> The oversight board will keep the community informed of our progress
> towards establishing the 501(c)(3) organization. Community input, as
> always, is most welcome.
>
> regards,
>
> Walter Bender on behalf of the Sugar Labs oversight board
>
> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2019-05-03 [1]
> [2] https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/ [2]
>
> --
>
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org [3]
> [3]
>
>
> Links:
> --
> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2019-05-03
> [2] https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/
> [3] http://www.sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Sugar Labs at SCaLE 17x post-conference summary

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All... some SCaLE 17X Musings from GrannieB

Alex and Adam have done a great job recapping our adventures at SCaLE 17X. It 
was the ninth time we have had a booth there and, hopefully will not be the 
last. At my age, organizing something like this each year gets more difficult 
so I am pleased that Alex has agreed to pick up the baton and carry it forward 
next year. If all goes well, I hope to be there again too, but as a volunteer, 
not the organizer.

This year was a lot of fun for me as I got to see many people who had visited 
our booth in past years who were still very interested and impressed with the 
new things that are going on with Sugar Labs. Our visitors included some people 
who had been involved with a small XO deployment we had at a junior high in 
South Central Los Angeles and from another with Spanish language XOs in East LA.

Curt Thompson, his wife Chi, and their 2 adorable daughters also stopped by. 
Curt and Chi had been very active with the Unleashed Kids deployment in Haiti 
BK (before kids), but for now they have their hands full with a lively 3 
year-old and her tiny 2 month old sister.

We ran out of business cards Saturday afternoon, but we kept one last one, and 
several people took home digital copies... photos they took of it on their cell 
phones. I notice Alex forgot to attach the copy he has of the card so I'll send 
the one I have on my phone.

The best moment of the conference for me came on the first day when I helped a 
little boy do some things on an XO. He didn't really need much help and was 
obviously enjoying every minute. When they had to leave the father handed him a 
sticker to give to me... it was a pretty thing with a heart on it and the 
words: "Today I helped someone with Autism."

When we got home, I found a nice surprise waiting for me... my very own copy of 
Guzmań Trinidad's new book "Física Con XO." Reading through it gives me some 
ideas for next year... some hands on science experiments visitors can try would 
be a lot of fun. There are a lot of technical problems that would have to be 
solved, but in solving them we would be opening doors for the use of 
Sugar/Sugarizer in science classes everywhere. It is something to think about.

Caryl

P.S. The file was too big with the picture of the card. I'll try to send it 
separately.








From: IAEP  on behalf of Adam Holt 

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 11:20 AM
To: Sugar Labs Marketing
Cc: iaep; event-plann...@lists.sugarlabs.org; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Sugar Labs at SCaLE 17x post-conference summary

Alex, Caryl & All did an amazing job pulling this together.

It really is a new era when many people came by who were born after OLPC's mass 
production era, had never heard of OLPC at all (or perhaps completely forgot 
about it a dozen years later...)

While we could not be there the entire 4 days, Fri-Sat-Sun each generated a ton 
of very thoughtful interest in Sugar, Internet-in-a-Box and many difficult 
democratized/global learning questions in general — more so than in prior years 
interestingly!

Perhaps the world is a "smaller place" than when OLPC/Sugar began in the 2000s, 
now approaching its 3rd decade (2020-2030) with a more grounded sense of 
impactful idealism than when it all began.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 1:52 PM Alex Perez 
mailto:ape...@alexperez.com>> wrote:
We had a successful presence at the Southern California Linux Expo, and booth 
visitors chose to take several hundred business cards with Sugar Labs, 
Sugarizer, Sugar On a Stick, and Internet In A Box logos. In attendance were 
myself, my wife, Caryl Bigenho, her lovely husband, and Adam Holt, all of whom 
were stationed at the booth to interact with and answer questions from the 
attendees.

Estimated attendee count for SCaLE 
17x<https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/blog/scale-17x> was around 3,000. Despite 
being crammed in the rear corner of the exhibit hall, we had a lot of foot 
traffic, and general interest. We gave away just under 500 
sugarlabs.org-branded promotional items, which was a sugarlabs.org-branded LED 
light and whistle key chain item, as well as several hundred "business cards", 
which you can view below.

We had six OLPCs on display, including one XO-4, two XO-1.75's, and an XO-1.5, 
all of which could be interacted with by visitors, and had a lot of kids (I'd 
guess at least a hundred) stop by and play with the OLPCs. We briefly explained 
what Sugar was to adults and children alike, and encouraged them to try it out 
for themselves on the machines, as well as by download Sugar on a Stick.

We also had Sugarizer on demo on an iPad and Google Nexus 7 tablet, as well as 
a new $200 HP laptop running Sugar on a Stick, to demonstrate how easy it is to 
run Sugar on commodity hardware.

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[IAEP] First for Help with the SL booth at SCaLE 3/8-3/10

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks,

This is the first call for people to help out with the Sugar Labs booth at 
SCaLE 17X. The booth will be open Friday afternoon, all day Saturday and Sunday 
until early afternoon.  We will be showing all kinds of Sugar (SOAS, Sugarizer, 
and traditional Sugar) running on many devices (tablets, phones, laptops, and 
XOs).

We were given a smaller number of admission passes than we used to get, but can 
offer discounts or free admission for those who help with the booth. We also 
have rented an AirBnB in nearby Eagle Rock where out of towners can stay. Space 
there is limited, so be sure to let us know right away if you wish to join us 
there.

If you have any questions, contact me or Alex Perez for more info.

Caryl Bigenho
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Kenneth and all... my reference to Windows is only to say we should try to 
show that Sugar can run on whatever hardware they happen to have. We won’t be 
running Windows but it would be nice to have SOAS running on a machine that is 
a Windows machine. 

Caryl 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Kenneth Wyrick  wrote:
> 
> Caryl,
> 
> Forget the Windoz stuff.
> 
> For me it would be best to push OSSIE as the general theme of the booth.
> The olpc, sugar and most anything else we have should fit into OSSIE. Over
> the years we have established OSSIE and even though we do not host meetups
> throughout the year, so that we have projects for SCALE we should still us
> OSSIE as the broad category of systems and resources for the booth.
> 
> We need to have a running Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) XSCE School Server
> https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-6.7-Release-Notes
> (works good on a laptop and there's a raspberry pi install)
> 
> and we also need to have
> 
> RACHEL Pis that someone creates, to share, demo and display:
> https://store.worldpossible.org/
> 
> If we asked WorldPossible they might even donate or loan us what we need
> in exchange for recognition and promotion in our booth.
> 
> If there are no objections to the about two systems. I'll work on
> providing them.
> 
> On Sat, December 22, 2018 4:50 pm, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> Hi Alex... and all...
> 
> I also have several XOs that I can bring to SCaLE, including one of the
> blue high school models.
> 
> I have never been much of a fan of SOAS because it never worked well and
> reliably when I tried it. When it first came out I did a workshop at a
> CUE-LA conference and no one was particularly impressed with it. Is there
> a better version now? What will it run on and how difficult is it to make
> it work? I have an older Mac we can use for it, we should have it on
> something running Windows as well.
> 
> Yes, you are absolutely correct about needing to explain Sugar to the
> people who should be our target audience... educators, parents, and
> children. Perhaps we could get the help of educators, like your wife (and,
> perhaps, Sameer's wife... a math teacher). We could ask them to choose
> some of the Activities they feel are best and most useful and tell us why
> they chose them. I am a retired Science teacher so I can speak for the
> science Activities.
> 
> Guzman Trinidad in Uruguay is sending me a copy of his new book, "Fisica
> con el XO" (Physics with the XO). Perhaps we can set up some of his
> experiments. It would also be interesting to see if we can do some of them
> with Sugar/Sugarizer on other devices.
> 
> Caryl
> 
> P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have?
> 
> P.P.S. To All check your schedules and see if you can make it to SCaLE
> this year, If so, are you interested in getting together to rent a house
> in Pasadena? Let me know.
> 
> From: Alex Perez 
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:25 AM
> To: Caryl Bigenho
> Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; aaron Kaplan;
> georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
> Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
> 
> Caryl,
> 
> The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the
> IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who
> actually bother to read, much less participate, in these conversations is
> a tiny fraction of that.
> 
> As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is that
> it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to come up
> with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized around
> 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something referred to as
> "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred thousand dollars, at
> this point.
> 
> With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably
> try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added,
> dropped, etc. Which entities would you propose should be added, and how
> are they related to OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially
> having a second poster or banner with the "child" entities separated on to
> this. This would allow for the re-use of a strictly "sugar labs" banner at
> other events, and have at the ready.
> 
> As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with
> it, in and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I
> personally believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at least
> in the context of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can disagree. To
> 

Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Alex... and all...

I also have several XOs that I can bring to SCaLE, including one of the blue 
high school models.

I have never been much of a fan of SOAS because it never worked well and 
reliably when I tried it. When it first came out I did a workshop at a CUE-LA 
conference and no one was particularly impressed with it. Is there a better 
version now? What will it run on and how difficult is it to make it work? I 
have an older Mac we can use for it, we should have it on something running 
Windows as well.

Yes, you are absolutely correct about needing to explain Sugar to the people 
who should be our target audience... educators, parents, and children. Perhaps 
we could get the help of educators, like your wife (and, perhaps, Sameer's 
wife... a math teacher). We could ask them to choose some of the Activities 
they feel are best and most useful and tell us why they chose them. I am a 
retired Science teacher so I can speak for the science Activities.

Guzman Trinidad in Uruguay is sending me a copy of his new book, "Fisica con el 
XO" (Physics with the XO). Perhaps we can set up some of his experiments. It 
would also be interesting to see if we can do some of them with Sugar/Sugarizer 
on other devices.

Caryl

P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have?

P.P.S. To All check your schedules and see if you can make it to SCaLE this 
year, If so, are you interested in getting together to rent a house in 
Pasadena? Let me know.

From: Alex Perez 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:25 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; aaron Kaplan; 
georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

Caryl,

The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the IAEP 
mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who actually bother 
to read, much less participate, in these conversations is a tiny fraction of 
that.

As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is that it's 
_way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to come up with a 
more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized around 2004, and If I 
had a dollar for every time I read something referred to as "$shinyThing" 2.0 
I'd probably have a few hundred thousand dollars, at this point.

With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably try to 
reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added, dropped, etc. 
Which entities would you propose should be added, and how are they related to 
OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially having a second poster or 
banner with the "child" entities separated on to this. This would allow for the 
re-use of a strictly "sugar labs" banner at other events, and have at the ready.

As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with it, in 
and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I personally 
believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at least in the context 
of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can disagree. To me, as a deeply 
technical person, I think "oh cool, new OLPC harware" and I think it is 
reasonable for attendees at a Linux-oriented conference to have a similar 
reaction.

I think it would make sense to have a variety of devices running Sugar and 
Sugar On A Stick at the show, including the original OLPC. I personally think 
we need to do a better job of explaining what Sugar is, and why a parent or 
educational institution might be interested in having their child use it.





Caryl Bigenho<mailto:ca...@laptop.org>
December 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM
Hi Again...

Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep list, and I 
agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, please let's hear from 
more of you! This is all about "marketing" Sugar and everyone should have an 
interest in that! (See the PS below)

Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of several 
other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among them. The object 
of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract from "OLPC", as a matter of 
fact, we still have a table-size banner with the original OLPC logo and use 
both of them at the same time at SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing 
all of the "children" of OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what 
brings them all together as one "family" with OLPC as the "patriarch." Can some 
one come up with a replacement that conveys that same spirit?

Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you will 
notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the OLPC colors). 
There are many other organizatio

Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

To Everyone...

I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and I being 
"too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at SCaLE ever if I 
were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I had not been involved. 
There would be no small deployment at a women's shelter in Los Angeles if I had 
not been involved... etc, etc, etc.

And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and most of 
it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are so impressed with 
all the things that they do that they lose sight of the fact that many others 
are also toiling and "fighting the good fight."

Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own way 
according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here should put 
themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than anyone else as 
James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us below.

Caryl

From: IAEP  on behalf of James Cameron 

Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:04 PM
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

Thanks Alex,

Don't worry about Tony and Caryl.  Like the other 230 or so
subscribers, they are too busy to be involved.  Rest of us on
event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP.

In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we
will say different things to what we say to the involved.

It is ever thus, in all our mediums.

--
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Again...

Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep list, and I 
agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, please let's hear from 
more of you! This is all about "marketing" Sugar and everyone should have an 
interest in that! (See the PS below)

Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of several 
other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among them. The object 
of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract from "OLPC", as a matter of 
fact, we still have a table-size banner with the original OLPC logo and use 
both of them at the same time at SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing 
all of the "children" of OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what 
brings them all together as one "family" with OLPC as the "patriarch." Can some 
one come up with a replacement that conveys that same spirit?

Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you will 
notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the OLPC colors). 
There are many other organizations using "OLPC" in their name.. OLPC-France and 
OLPC-SF for example, so "olpc 2.0" should not be a problem.

In addition to having at least one entity that is no longer active, the current 
banner is missing several others that have started since 2014 that should be 
included. It's definitely time for an update.

The size of the SCaLE booth is 10' by 10' so the banner has to be at least 8' 
wide to look good. The current one is made of a lightweight non-woven fabric 
that resists wrinkles and can be folded fairly small to fit in the outside 
pocket of a suitcase. We took it that way to LinuxFest Northwest a couple of 
years ago. It would be good if any new one we get would be similar so it could 
be shared, even by mailing or UPS or FedEx to whomever may need it to have at 
other events.

Alex Perez, if you have a connection that can print for us, great! Otherwise, 
we can get bids from several printers. I paid for the two original banners, 
"OLPC" and "olpc 2.0", but maybe SugarLabs would like to sponsor it this time?

Caryl

P.S. Remember, "iaep" was an acronym created by Mel Chu to remind us of what we 
are are really about. It stands for: It's An Education Project!




From: Alex Perez 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:10 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; Aaron Kaplan; 
georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

Caryl & others,

I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of the IAEP 
mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive duplicate e-mails.

I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is currently a 
first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade, kindergarten, and pre-K 
here in California. Since this is a volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it has a 
fairly different emphasis than a lot of other Linux-oriented conferences.

Since there are nearly 240 subscribers to the IAEP mailing list, I would like 
to propose we peel off the discussion of the specifics to a general-purpose 
"events" mailing list, with only the people who actually wish to be involved in 
the specifics of this discussion. I can set one up easily, and we can continue 
discussion there. Thoughts?

On the subject of the banner, see below...

Caryl Bigenho wrote:

We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or whether we 
might just use the one we already have. See the attached photo of the booth at 
SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a design and order it right 
away. It always costs less if you order early. The one in the photo lists most, 
but not all, of the various organizations and projects that are offshoots from, 
or related to, the old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc 2.0."
I am strongly in favor of _not_ re-using this banner, for a few reasons:

- It has at least one domain on it that is no longer functional
- planet.sugarlabs.org lacks quality content these days, and I really don't 
think we should be encouraging people to visit it
- "OLPC 2.0" is a bit of an odd term, and since this was a proposed/prototyped 
piece of hardware at one time, if people googles the term, they get nothing 
useful. Furthermore, since the OLPC Foundation still is a legal entity which 
exists, and holds a current, valid trademark on OLPC,  I am against using it on 
signage, without the express written consent of OLPC, Inc, which is based in 
Miami.

I would personally prefer to emphasize "Sugar Labs" logo, and have it be most 
prominent. If I print the banner, are there any objections to that? Do you or 
does anyone else know who created the banner used at SCaLE 15x? 

[IAEP] Test Message/No Content

[Caryl Bigenho]

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Meeting Reminder

[Caryl Bigenho]

I was unable to sign on last month. It would be helpful to have complete 
instructions along with a link available in a prominent location well in 
advance of the meeting time.

Thanks!
Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2018, at 8:38 PM, James Cameron 
mailto:qu...@laptop.org>> wrote:

It has nothing to do with soas, f28 or f29; you will see the same failure on 
every system. You must register to test.

On 5 Oct 2018, at 08:40, Thomas Gilliard 
mailto:satelli...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It is impssible to login to sugar irc on f28 and f29 soas due to these 
registration requrements


On 10/4/18 3:33 PM, James Cameron wrote:
At the moment the issue with Freenode requires all of us to register before we 
can speak.

This impacts new people.  It makes their joining as complicated as any other 
service with registration requirements.

As D. Joe has observed, if we had our people watching, we could notice new 
people to let them speak.  We would need to enable this, and somehow cover the 
different time zones.  As we don’t have enough coverage now to answer the 
simplest questions from the people we have, we would need some commitment.  
That would be the next step in that plan.

I don’t know of any other service we could use that doesn’t require some sort 
of registration.

We might set up an IRC server ourselves, but then we take on the defence 
problem that Freenode does for us.

We do have a Jabber server, but I don’t know if it has been attacked in the 
same way.

On 5 Oct 2018, at 07:38, Walter Bender 
mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We will be meeting tomorrow (Friday, 5 October) at 20UTC [1] (4PM in Boston) on 
irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (See [2]).

Note that there has been a SPAM issue on Freenode of late (See the email from 
James I have forwarded below). We should discuss potential solutions.

Also on the agenda:

* GSoC travel
* GCI 2018
* [your topic here]

regards.

-walter

[1] https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx
[2] https://webchat.freenode.net/

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks,


This is the second year that there has been a problem with the costs of GCI 
mentor travel that went beyond just a simple round trip ticket from A to B and 
back to A. I think it is time to consider what is causing the problem and come 
up with an agreeable solution going forward. Adam is correct in saying that 
foreign travel works differently from domestic.


First and foremost… we should consider that a trip from a place that is many 
hours away by air, and is perhaps the mentor’s first trip to the US would be a 
great time for her/him to travel a bit in the country while she/he is here. In 
fact, it would be a shame if they were not able to take advantage of this 
opportunity to visit people and places that are important to them and can 
enrich their experience and background. Still, it is not SugarLabs 
responsibility to cover the increased costs of doing so.


So, we need a reasonable policy. I can think of two we might consider.


Option 1: SugarLabs could cover the cost of a round trip ticket from the 
mentor’s home airport to either the US airport closest to the event (e.g. 
Mentor Summit) OR the airport from which the mentor plans to leave the US… 
which ever is more.  The mentor would be responsible for finding funds to cover 
the difference between the more expensive round trip ticket and a more costly 
“open jaws” ticket. All other travel in the US would be the responsibility of 
the mentor (with a little help from their friends ( ;-D)).


Option 2: SugarLabs would cover the cost of a round trip ticket from the 
mentor’s home airport to the US airport closest to the event (e.g. Mentor 
Summit). The mentor would be free to do any travel within the US to extend 
their stay after the event, at their own (and/or their friends’ and family’s) 
expense. But at the end of the travel, they would be expected to return to the 
airport where they arrived… again at their own expense. Then they would return 
home on the remaining portion of their regular round trip ticket.


I’ve tried to make this as simple and clear as possible. If others want to edit 
for greater clarity (or have other options in mind) please do so. The net 
effect of Option 1 depends a lot in what part of the world the person is coming 
from. It might even be less expensive than Option 2 for some itineraries.


 I think it would be a very good idea to choose one of these options (or both 
with instructions to use the one with the lowest net cost), or another option,  
and put it to a vote of the SLOB at the October meeting.


Going forward I can see many more mentors wanting to travel after the summit. 
Having a stated policy in place would help things move more smoothly in the 
future.


Caryl (aka GrannieB)




From: IAEP  on behalf of Ignacio Rodríguez 

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05:02 PM
To: samsongo...@gmail.com
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

Hello.
I'm not trying to be mean or something, but wondering who is he meeting from 
SugarLabs?

> (to visit some Sugar Labs people and his cousin in DC.)

Greetings,
Ignacio.-

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:20 PM Samson Goddy 
mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Seconded,

I believe that members should  use opportunities like Gsoc to Meetup fellow 
members.


Regards

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 8:17 PM Walter Bender 
mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Background: Google has provided SL with $3000 towards mentor travel to the 
October summit. ($3300 - the SFC 10%) although we have yet to receive $1100 of 
the funds. We have also received $5400 in mentor "stipends" ($6000 - the SFC 
10%). As you may recall, we are sending three people, Devin, Jaskirat, and 
Shrivank. Only Jaskirat is traveling internationally, so the best estimate is 
that the travel will come in on budget. As we did last year, we could apply 
some of the mentor stipend $$ to cover any overruns. (Note we have already 
approved a previous motion to approve a travel advance for Jaskirat to attend 
the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October 2018. [1])

The SFC estimates a cost increase in Jaskirat's ticket of $400-$500 due to his 
intention to travel some while in the States (to visit some Sugar Labs people 
and his cousin in DC.) Jaskirat is paying for his domestic travel, but the 
round trip in and out of SF is apparently less expensive, hence the need for 
SLOB approval. IMHO, we should be extending opportunities for community members 
whenever possible.

Motion: To approve the additional cost associated with Jaskirat's ticket to and 
from the GSoC summit as calculated by the SFC. If for some reason the total 
budget for GSoC summit travel exceeds $3000, we can apply Jaskirat's and my 
share of the GSoC mentor stipend to cover the overrun.

This is somewhat timely as tickets need to be purchased.

regards.

-walter

[1] 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks,


I am the "SugarLabs" person Jaskirat will be visiting when he comes to Southern 
California for a few days on his way to the east coast. However if any of 
you will be in town during that time (Oct 15-17) we could have a get-together 
at my house and he could meet more of us! Please think about it... maybe I 
should put a note on the IAEP list? Oh... OK, it looks like I just did!


As for ticket prices... most airlines are now pricing tickets by the particular 
flight you take. We have found that buying a one-way ticket on one airline for 
the first direction and a one-way ticket on another for the return can often 
save money. For example, today I booked tickets for Ed and I to visit family in 
Texas at Christmas. By combining the lowest priced outbound ticket on SouthWest 
and our inbound back to LA on United I was able to save $300 to $500 on the 2 
tickets!


I'm not the anonymous person who bought the return ticket to India, but I did 
buy the ticket from SFO to BUR it cost just $61!


Hope some of you will be in the LA area and we can get together!


Caryl (aka GrannieB)


P.S. We had a great time last year hosting Samson when he was in the United 
States.





From: IAEP  on behalf of Adam Holt 

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 2:08:20 PM
To: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

It turns out this motion is not necessary in the end:

Jaskirat Singh's Washington, DC to New Delhi, India return flight (November ~9, 
more than 4 weeks after he arrives on October 10) is indeed substantially more 
expensive than general policy allows, as open-jaw 
tickets are dramatically more 
expensive than round-trip flights in general, in this case as compared to the 
intended GSoC India to San Francisco round-trip flight.

However, the DC-to-India flight was fully paid for by an anonymous donor today, 
who prefers to remain anonymous.

Please all give thanks to the donor, understanding that they prefer to remain 
anonymous, as this will not be a repeat occurrence,

Adam


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
mailto:igna...@sugarlabs.org>> wrote:
Okay.

Looking forward to see some pictures of your experience.

+1.


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 5:18 PM Walter Bender 
mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Carly and maybe me. I don't know any other details.

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:05 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
mailto:igna...@sugarlabs.org>> wrote:
Hello.
I'm not trying to be mean or something, but wondering who is he meeting from 
SugarLabs?

> (to visit some Sugar Labs people and his cousin in DC.)

Greetings,
Ignacio.-

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:20 PM Samson Goddy 
mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Seconded,

I believe that members should  use opportunities like Gsoc to Meetup fellow 
members.


Regards

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 8:17 PM Walter Bender 
mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Background: Google has provided SL with $3000 towards mentor travel to the 
October summit. ($3300 - the SFC 10%) although we have yet to receive $1100 of 
the funds. We have also received $5400 in mentor "stipends" ($6000 - the SFC 
10%). As you may recall, we are sending three people, Devin, Jaskirat, and 
Shrivank. Only Jaskirat is traveling internationally, so the best estimate is 
that the travel will come in on budget. As we did last year, we could apply 
some of the mentor stipend $$ to cover any overruns. (Note we have already 
approved a previous motion to approve a travel advance for Jaskirat to attend 
the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October 2018. [1])

The SFC estimates a cost increase in Jaskirat's ticket of $400-$500 due to his 
intention to travel some while in the States (to visit some Sugar Labs people 
and his cousin in DC.) Jaskirat is paying for his domestic travel, but the 
round trip in and out of SF is apparently less expensive, hence the need for 
SLOB approval. IMHO, we should be extending opportunities for community members 
whenever possible.

Motion: To approve the additional cost associated with Jaskirat's ticket to and 
from the GSoC summit as calculated by the SFC. If for some reason the total 
budget for GSoC summit travel exceeds $3000, we can apply Jaskirat's and my 
share of the GSoC mentor stipend to cover the overrun.

This is somewhat timely as tickets need to be purchased.

regards.

-walter

[1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-August/055603.html

-- Forwarded message -
From: Brett Smith via RT 
mailto:approv...@tix.sfconservancy.org>>
Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [sfconservancy.org #1845] Additional US 
flight expenditures for Jaskirat Singh
To: mailto:h...@laptop.org>>
Cc: mailto:su...@sfconservancy.org>>



On 09/18/2018 12:46 PM, Adam Holt via RT wrote:

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Brett Smith via RT 

[IAEP] SugarLabs Education Team

[Caryl Bigenho]

22 May 2018

Hi All…


Are you a Sugar educator? By that, we mean do you have experience teaching 
others using Sugar Activities in either a formal school setting or in a more 
informal setting using Sugar on XO laptops or computers, Sugar On A Stick, or 
Sugarizer on any number of different devices. Or, perhaps, you have never had 
the privilege of using Sugar and would like to know more and explore how you 
can use it to help you teach. If so, we want to invite you to join the Sugar 
Education Team!


To learn more about what the Education Team will be about, check this Google 
Doc:


<https://docs.google.com/document/d/161qehOW49uO5_Ti8YEfHyydKWLbDBjlYwwgCYWqDYKs/edit?usp=sharing>

https://docs.google.com/document/d/161qehOW49uO5_Ti8YEfHyydKWLbDBjlYwwgCYWqDYKs/edit?usp=sharing


If you think you might be interested, please answer a few simple questions so 
we can make your participation a valuable and enjoyable experience. Just answer 
the questions below and send it to Caryl Bigenho as a reply to this email (do 
not do a “reply all”). Caryl will forward the responses to Samson Goddy,  our 
other co-captain, so we will both know what your interests are and can plan 
accordingly to best serve all of you.


Some of you have already signed up for the Sugar Labs Education Team. If you 
have, could you please complete the questionnaire anyway? Your answers will be 
very valuable in helping make our team a success!


Thanks for your attention! We hope you will want to be a part of this new 
endeavor.


Caryl Bigenho and Samson Goddy

Co-Captains, Sugar Labs Education Team


P.S. If you have educator friends who might also be interested, please share 
this email with them and invite them to send us their information as well.

*

Response


Your Name:

Contact email:

FaceBook Name:

Country:

In what languages are you fluent?

Speak:

Read:

Write:

What other languages do you have some knowledge of?


What is your teaching experience? In a school?


Other (what setting?)


In what subject areas are you most interested?


What are your favorite Sugar Activities and why?


For meetings…

Are you comfortable using FaceBook chat?


Are you comfortable using irc?


Are you comfortable using Google Hangouts?


Do you have any connectivity issues that would make it difficult for you to 
participate in a Google Hangout?


We invite you to add any comments or suggestions here…


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Action required: Devin Ulibarri travel/stipend

[Caryl Bigenho]

Community feedback here

I wondered about the original $50 allowed for expenses... it seemed 
unrealistically low at the time... guess I should have said something then!

Of course he should be able to use the honorarium to defray his costs!


GrannieB



From: IAEP  on behalf of Samson Goddy 

Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:33:25 AM
To: Walter Bender
Cc: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y 
administradores; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Action required: Devin Ulibarri travel/stipend

Seconded





- Samson

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
I was hoping to discuss this at the May meeting, but no one was able to attend 
that meeting.

Devin went to Japan to run some Music Blocks workshops. We had allocated a 
budget for him was US $1200 for his ticket and US $50 for local expenses (See 
[1]). Devin incurred some additional expenses above and beyond what we budgeted 
-- extra local travel and some equipment needed for the workshops (speakers).

One of the schools he visited -- the Yokohama Science Frontiers school -- 
offered Devin an honorarium of ~US $500, which they sent to the SFC.  ,These 
funds would cover his additional costs. The SFC won't release this money 
without our approval. It would amount to US $450 after the 10% allocation by 
the SFC.

Motion: Approve the payment of US $450 as an honorarium to Devin Ulibarri for 
his workshops in Japan.

I don't think there is anything controversial here, but of course, your 
feedback (and community feedback) is most appreciated.

Someone would have to second this motion so that we can vote on it.

Thanks.

-walter

[1] 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2018-01-09

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Re: [IAEP] The Verge article on OLPC/Sugar

[Caryl Bigenho]

Thanks to Dave for sharing this fun, interesting article! I already knew most 
of what was in it and could probably add some things, but it was a very 
thorough overview of the history of our favorite little "green machine."


It might be fun to debate what could have been done differently to make it more 
successful... but I think it already was very successful and, if it hadn't been 
for the world financial crisis that hit in late 2007-early 2008, we might be 
seeing millions of the XOs all over the world.


Just a few asides... I still believe the XO-4, with touch screen, to be the 
best possible solution for a child's computer. And, with the more efficient 
XO-4, the hand crank finally became viable.


Long ago many of us were looking for easy ways to adapt the hand crank concept 
to generate power for the XO. Who else remembers the "cow power" experiment? 
Bicycles were also suggested as chargers, where a student could charge their 
computer while riding to and from school.


I had wanted to try to modify a treadle sewing machine so the machine could be 
folded down and covered with a desktop and a user could gently move their foot 
up and down as they sat and did their homework on their XO. Alas... even in 
rural Montana where I went to a lot of farm and ranch sales, I couldn't find a 
working treadle sewing machine. Most owners had turned theirs into saddle racks!


Anyone else want to add some interesting anecdotes or ideas from the not so 
distant past of the XO? Remember... it is still very much alive and well in 
many places around the world!


Caryl


From: IAEP  on behalf of Dave Crossland 

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 10:17:05 AM
To: iaep
Subject: [IAEP] The Verge article on OLPC/Sugar

www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17233946/olpcs-100-laptop-education-where-is-it-now
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[IAEP] SCaLE16X is Coming Sooner Than You Think!

[Caryl Bigenho]

Note! Please forward to others I may have missed!


Hi Fellow SCaLE/OSSSIE/OLPC/SugarLabs/ETC fans!


In case you missed it… here is the official announcement for SCaLE 16X:


The Linux Exposition of Southern California is proud to announce the 16th 
Annual Southern California Linux Expo – SCALE 16X – to be held on March 8-11, 
2018 at the Pasadena Convention Center in Pasadena, California, near Los 
Angeles.


As you can see, it is planned for mid-March this year and will again be at the 
Pasadena Convention Center. The CFP (call for proposed talks) closed on 
Halloween. However, there are still many ways to get involved.


First, there is the BOOTH! We are usually offered booth space gratis as 
recognition of our non-profit status. But the booth isn’t really free… it takes 
a lot of work, both before the exhibition hall opens and during the expo. 
Planning needs to be done: what should we feature? What “SWAG” items might we 
offer visitors? What special activities might we offer visitors? We should have 
a new banner… what should it say? Volunteers to work in the booth need to be 
signed up and registered (free registration for a limited number of 
volunteers). I have been organizing this for the past 8 years, but have reached 
a point where I need to start getting others involved. So…


Are you willing to help with the Booth planning? Do you have something special 
related to Open Source Software In Education that you would like to have on 
display in our booth? Are you planning to attend SCaLE 16X and are you willing 
to volunteer some time in the booth (usually 1/2 day or less) in exchange for 
SCaLE admission?


If you missed the CFP deadline and are planning to come and want to do more 
than just help with the booth, there is another excellent way to get the word 
out about your project… UPSCALE! These are lightning talks where you get 
exactly 5 min to talk your way through your slide set (usually 20 slides @ 15 
sec each) which is advanced automatically. It is a fun thing to do and is a 
very well attended event. (Note: I am assuming they will do them again this 
year).


And, one more thing we can consider sponsoring… a BOF session about some aspect 
of OSSIE. There can be more than one of these which take place in the evening. 
Do you have any ideas for these?


So… Please send me a note answering the questions you see below.


Thanks!

Caryl


Questions:

0) Do you plan to come to SCaLE16X in Pasadena March 8-11, 2018?



1) Do you have something you would like to show in an OSSIE booth at Scale16X? 
If yes, how much space would you need and what special equipment?


2) Are you willing to help with the planning of an OSSIE booth at SCaLE16X? If 
yes, please include a phone number where you can be reached both for calls and 
texts.


3) Do you have any ideas for a BOF session one evening… these are informal 
get-togethers for people who share a common interest in something (Birds OF a 
Feather)?


4) Any ideas for SWAG, a new banner, booth activities, etc?


5) If you are from out-of-town and are coming to SCaLE16X, would you be 
interested in sharing an AirBnB with other people in our group? (If the price 
is right!)


Your Name: Contact #




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[IAEP] SCaLE 16X CFP Ends Monday 10/30/2017!

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All you SoCal OSSIE and SCaLE Fans!


It’s almost Halloween and that means SCaLE 16X is just around the corner…. 
Well, maybe way around the corner… It will be March 8-11, 2018 at the Pasadena 
Convention Center. But things happen quickly in the world of open source and 
the CFP (call for proposals) ends this coming Monday, October 13, 2017!


https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/16x/cfp

CFP | SCALE 16x<https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/16x/cfp>
www.socallinuxexpo.org
Southern California Linux Expo 2018 (SCALE 16x) The Linux Exposition of 
Southern California is proud to announce the 16th Annual Southern California 
Linux Expo ...




That means you have just this weekend left to put an idea for a talk together 
and get your proposal in. If your topic is chosen you will be notified by 
November 30, 2017. Then you will have lots of time between then and March to 
get your idea polished up and ready to go.


You will notice that there is not a special OSSIE track this year. They have 
decided to put the talks related to Open Source Software in Education in the 
General Track this year. That will give a lot more flexibility in terms of 
scheduling and should work out very nicely.


I want to encourage all of you, especially those of you who did all those 
terrific presentations in our OSSIE track last March, to think of possible 
talks you might want to present. Your CFP doesn’t have to include your whole 
talk by Monday. If you are chosen to present, you will have plenty of time to 
flesh out what you want to appear in the program.


If you have any questions about the CFP procedure or need help with your idea… 
send me a quick note. I can’t promise to have the answer, but I can promise to 
try to get it for you!


Hope to see you at SCaLE16X in March!


Caryl Bigenho



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Re: [IAEP] Improving our Code of Conduct (was: Re: Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs)

[Caryl Bigenho]

Sebastian,


In my culture and, possibly in James's culture, accusations such as this one 
you are making against James, and the one Laura made against me a few weeks 
ago, are considered "harassment"... actually, extreme harassment. You are 
denying us the freedom to express our opinions or feelings in a rational way 
without fearing reprisals and intimidation as what the two of you have chosen 
to do.


We are all adults here (at least will be after Samson turns 18 on Halloween  
). It's time we start acting like adults and stop "running to Mommie!"


GrannieB



From: IAEP  on behalf of Sebastian Silva 

Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:41 PM
To: James Cameron; Laura Vargas
Cc: iaep; SLOBs
Subject: [IAEP] Improving our Code of Conduct (was: Re: Code of Conduct Motion 
to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs)


Hi,

I had asked that we discuss changes to our Code of Conduct in a wiki 
page I have worked on, where 
I put the result of a lot of research.

The time I spent, back in January, on this document, is because I myself felt 
not only harassed but threatened. It came as a realization then, that perhaps 
more people have had similar experiences and have abandoned Sugar Labs because 
they were less tenacious than others. Hopefully you'll find the references I 
put there (beyond geek feminism) interesting. They represent a broad spectrum 
of approaches to making a community more welcoming.

I found our current Code of 
Conduct was not 
sufficient because (1) it is vague and difficult to evaluate when it's been 
infringed. Cultures vary widely with regard to what is considerate, respectful, 
collaborative, and flexible. It would be much better if specific acceptable or 
not acceptable behaviors were listed. (2) There is no defined procedure on how 
to report a problem and what the expected outcome, timeline, or response could 
be. (3) There's no defined solution or action such as warning or temporarily 
moderating a person to signal bad behavior.

James, you insist on victimizing yourself and have a confrontational form of 
writing. Perhaps I'm misreading you. Please improve your tone. I have only seen 
vague complaints on the alleged dispute ("rate of posting and Wiki editing", 
and "use of many paths to achieve your goals").

If all of this is because I had the audacity to merge an icon, I feel your 
attitude is disproportionate, unfair and itself sufficient for a complaint. 
Trying to flag my github profile seems particularly aggressive and harmful, 
considering the market use of such profiles.

The trademarked icon has already been reinstated in master branch, but my valid 
concern (that neither Sugar Labs nor downstream distributors have permission to 
use it), has not been resolved. I raised the same question openly in 2016, and 
you responded with 
sarcasm.
 I don't think this is acceptable.

At the moment I don't support Laura's motion because I think it's necessary to 
write something more specific for Sugar Labs, taking into consideration the 
other references listed in the page at the least.

Regards,

Sebastian

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Re: [IAEP] Google Mentors Summit Complete Travel Budget Request

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hello All,


Having the mentors decide how to use their respective stipends and making it 
retroactive is totally impractical, inappropriate, and disruptive. It would 
require looking back for years to try to figure out what happened to the funds 
and finding the folks involved in GSOC in the past. It might possibly be a good 
idea going forward, but it doesn't solve the problem at hand.

In the past, members of SL, who have traveled for things related to Sugar Labs, 
have been granted adequate expenses to cover their needs. Today we have a 
similar need for our representatives who will be attending the Google Summit to 
be able to do it in safety and with no undue hardship. Many of the other trips 
have been funded with regular Sugar Labs dollars. But these dollars are a bit 
different. Sugar Labs would not have them if it were not for the GSOC mentors!

I don't know about the needs for the other representatives, but I do know that 
because of the bargain airline ticket bought for Samson, he will NOT be in a 
place of safety and without hardship. Nineteen hours in the airport in Dubai is 
pretty extreme for a 17-year-old. We should do everything possible to assure 
that he arrives safely at his destination refreshed and at the "top of his 
game" as he represents Sugar Labs at the Google Summit.

I don't fault the person who made this reservation. I would probably have done 
the same thing if the reservation were for myself. Some of us are seasoned 
travelers who have slept on many an airport floor when needed. But this is for 
someone else, someone who has not traveled extensively, will be alone in a very 
strange place, and is also very young and inexperienced. These factors need to 
be taken into account and provisions made.

I hope the SLOBs will see that the right thing to do is provide sufficient 
funds for Samson to have a safe and productive trip.

Caryl


From: IAEP  on behalf of Laura Vargas 

Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 10:35:08 AM
To: Walter Bender
Cc: iaep; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Google Mentors Summit Complete Travel Budget Request



2017-10-01 15:32 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender 
>:


On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:

Correction to previous email:

That means this year program Google's program Budget has already over expended 
US$ 210 [US$ 2,970 - US$2,000-US$630-US$550] not including yet Traveler No2 
needs.

Regards!

2017-10-01 14:18 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas 
>:

Dear Google Mentors Summit Program Managers,


It is my understanding you both are co-administrators of the Google Mentors 
Summit for Mentors funds.


Lack of a complete Travel Budget may be causing SLOBs not to be able to make 
further decisions about the mentor's needs versus the mentor's Budget..

So far what we (SLOBs) know is:

01 Google donation [US$ 3,300 - 10% SFC = US$ 2,970] was meant for two 
travelers.

This is incorrect. We are sending 3 people to the Summit. One is traveling from 
Nigeria, one is traveling from France, and one from San Francisco. I don't know 
what the travel from France entails. The debate over the travel from Nigeria 
continues. The travel from San Francisco will cost Sugar Labs US$0.

02 There is a reimbursement request for US$630 for paying back money advanced 
to Traveler No1 Samson by one Sugar Labs member.
03 Additionally, with decision 2017-17 
SLOBs 
approved Samson's traveling plans for 3 days of Google Summit in the City of 
San Francisco with US$2,000 for an airplane ticket and US$550 as a cash advance.

That means this year program Google's program Budget has already over expended 
US$ 210 [US$ 2,970-US$630-US$550] not including yet Traveler No2 needs.


Not accounted for in your calculations is the additional $4500 that Google gave 
to Sugar Labs on behalf of the GSoC mentors. IMHO, it is not at all 
unreasonable to put some of those discretionary funds towards mentor travel.

I did not account for the mentor's stipends because historically mentors have 
not been authorized by SLOBS to decide how Sugar Labs should proceed with their 
stipends and therefore Stipends have been sent to Sugar Labs general fund.

I guess the Board could consider a Motion that enables each Google Mentor to 
decide how Sugar Labs should execute (spend/invest) their respective stipend. 
Of course in order to be fair it would need to be a retroactive to all Sugar 
Labs - Google mentors stipends over the years we have participated.

Motion: To enable each Google Mentor to decide how Sugar Labs should execute 
(spend/invest) their respective stipend. This will apply retroactively to all 
Sugar Labs - Google mentors stipends over the years we have participated.


Looking for 

[IAEP] Samson's Trip Expenses

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All…


I would like to ask you to revisit the issue of Samson’s trip. To most of you 
experienced travelers the idea of a 15 hour layover in the Dubai airport 
probably seems like just how things work… another adventure. However…


Yesterday, when I was trying to buy a ticket for Samson’s flight from SFO to LA 
(actually BUR), Southwest would not allow me to buy it because he will be 
flying as an… are you ready for this?…. Unaccompanied Minor! Yes, Samson won’t 
turn 18 until this Halloween! So Southwest was not an option.


Fortunately, United has no such scruples and happily took my money.


For a 17-year-old, no matter how smart and talented he is, a long layover in a 
strange country can be a bewildering experience. He doesn't have a visa for 
Dubai so he can't even leave the airport. Evidently there is a lounge there 
where he could sleep and shower but, so far, the SLOBs have turned him down on 
his request for the funds to use the lounge.


For an organization that prides itself on serving young people, it seems a 
disgrace when they don’t support one of their own who also happens to be a 
young person.


Samson is going to have a lot of other incidentals that will have to be covered 
by his expense account and the current amount is very miserly.


Come on folks, do the right thing by Samson. Increase his expense account at 
least enough to cover the lounge and shower!


Grannie B

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Re: [IAEP] Candidates???

[Caryl Bigenho]

Good!


I'm glad to see it was sent. That was a travel day for us and so I missed it. 
There were others who didn't see it (I asked some people) so this will serve as 
a reminder for anyone who missed it the first time.


Caryl


From: Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:43:55 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Shameer Verma; Samson Goddy; Lionel Laske; 
Walter Bender; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Laura Vargas
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Candidates???


Hi Caryl,

Looks like you missed it:

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020182.html


On 29/09/17 19:43, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

Hi All...


Way back on 10/23/17 there was an announcement of the election and the list of 
candidates. To date, I have not seen a similar email to the IAEP list. Why?


There is one small difficulty (at least). This email, in Castellaño only, 
includes a reminder that the deadline for new members to indicate they want to 
be included in the vote is September 27, 2017 (two days ago). This went only to 
Spanish speakers, thus possibly disenfranchising some others who don't read 
Spanish.


Caryl


P.S. For others who didn't get the message, here is the text of the message 
from the 23rd along with a translation:


Estimada comunidad de Sugar Labs,

El Comité de Membresía y Elecciones está feliz reportar que tenemos 8 
candidatos para las 4 posiciones disponibles para la elección de 2017–2019 de 
la Junta de Supervisión de Sugar Labs. Los candidatos que completaron 
exitosamente sus entregas al wiki a tiempo son:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

Puedes leer las declaraciones de los candidatos en: 
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2017-2019-candidates>.

Gracias a todos los candidatos para publicar sus candidaturas.

ETAPA IV: Las elecciones ocurrirán en el 1 al 15 de octubre de 2017.

Gracias por adelantado a Ignacio Rodríguez, que será en cargo de todos los 
procedimientos técnicos con la asistencia del equipo de infraestructura de 
Sugar Labs: <syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org<mailto:syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>.

¡Recuerda que el 27 de septiembre de 
2017<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership> 
es la fecha límite para solicitudes de miembros nuevos para participar en las 
elecciones de 2017–2019!

And a translation:

Dear Sugar Labs Community,

The Membership and Elections Committee is happy to report we have 8 candidates 
for 4 available positions in the Sugar Labs Oversight Board election for 
2017-2018. The candidates who have successfully filed their candidate 
declarations and statements on time are:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

You can read the candidate's statements at 
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2017-2019-candidates>.

Thank you to all the candidates for publishing your statements of candidacy.

STEP 4: The election will take place from October1 to October 15, 2017.

Thanks in advance to Ignacio Rodriguez who will be in charge of all the 
technical aspects with the help of the Sugar Labs infrastructure team. 
<syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org<mailto:syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>.

Remember that September 27, 2017 is the deadline for applications for new 
membership to be eligible to participate in the 2017-2019 elections (2018???)! 
27 de septiembre de 
2017<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership>






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[IAEP] Candidates???

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...


Way back on 10/23/17 there was an announcement of the election and the list of 
candidates. To date, I have not seen a similar email to the IAEP list. Why?


There is one small difficulty (at least). This email, in Castellaño only, 
includes a reminder that the deadline for new members to indicate they want to 
be included in the vote is September 27, 2017 (two days ago). This went only to 
Spanish speakers, thus possibly disenfranchising some others who don't read 
Spanish.


Caryl


P.S. For others who didn't get the message, here is the text of the message 
from the 23rd along with a translation:


Estimada comunidad de Sugar Labs,

El Comité de Membresía y Elecciones está feliz reportar que tenemos 8 
candidatos para las 4 posiciones disponibles para la elección de 2017–2019 de 
la Junta de Supervisión de Sugar Labs. Los candidatos que completaron 
exitosamente sus entregas al wiki a tiempo son:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

Puedes leer las declaraciones de los candidatos en: 
.

Gracias a todos los candidatos para publicar sus candidaturas.

ETAPA IV: Las elecciones ocurrirán en el 1 al 15 de octubre de 2017.

Gracias por adelantado a Ignacio Rodríguez, que será en cargo de todos los 
procedimientos técnicos con la asistencia del equipo de infraestructura de 
Sugar Labs: >.

¡Recuerda que el 27 de septiembre de 
2017 
es la fecha límite para solicitudes de miembros nuevos para participar en las 
elecciones de 2017–2019!

And a translation:

Dear Sugar Labs Community,

The Membership and Elections Committee is happy to report we have 8 candidates 
for 4 available positions in the Sugar Labs Oversight Board election for 
2017-2018. The candidates who have successfully filed their candidate 
declarations and statements on time are:

1. Devin Ulibarri
2. Walter Bender
3. Sebastian Silva
4. Lionel Laské
5. Sameer Verma
6. Sean Daly
7. Adam Holt
8. Claudia Urrea

You can read the candidate's statements at 
.

Thank you to all the candidates for publishing your statements of candidacy.

STEP 4: The election will take place from October1 to October 15, 2017.

Thanks in advance to Ignacio Rodriguez who will be in charge of all the 
technical aspects with the help of the Sugar Labs infrastructure team. 
>.

Remember that September 27, 2017 is the deadline for applications for new 
membership to be eligible to participate in the 2017-2019 elections (2018???)! 
27 de septiembre de 
2017



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Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Caryl Bigenho]

Fascinating! Labyrinth was also the favorite of both teachers and students when 
we were at the EduJam in Uruguay.


Sadly, Rosamel reports that most teachers are not using Sugar now. They are 
actually surprised when they find out it is on their students' machines!


At the moment, she is doing a lot with Etoys. She will be going to Montevideo 
to do an Etoys workshop for other educators. I asked if she could get them to 
record it... she will try. It would be nice to see how she puts it to use.


Is is possible to include Etoys in the mix for Sugarizer on tablets?


Caryl


From: Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 3:16:44 PM
To: Lionel Laské
Cc: Caryl Bigenho; Walter Bender; Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Shameer 
Verma; Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; 
José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard; Bastien Guerry
Subject: Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited

Lionel, any plans for Scratch 3.0 in Sugarizer?





On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Lionel Laské 
<lionel.la...@gmail.com<mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Caryl,

Thanks for your support to Sugarizer.
I remember your Sugarizer Primero idea and as I said to you I'm agree to help 
you as possible.

Here is a short description of our Sugarizer deployment this year (I'm CC 
Bastien so he could give more information):
- The deployment was in a CM1 class in French so Grade 4 for US.
- The deployment was between February 2017 and July 2017
- We've deployed 25 tablets Lenovo A10-30 tablets with a supplementary microSD 
16Gb card with
- Each tablet has a protection and we later add a headphone and a bluetooth 
keyboard for each
- Sugarizer OS - so Sugarizer as an Android launcher - v0.8 was deployed on all 
tablets, we've also included 82 Android activities. Most famous are: GCompris, 
ScratchJr and Wikipedia. The list was decided by Sandrine, our education 
specialist.
- The school had no internet access, we planned to deploy a Sugarizer Server on 
a RaspberryPI with a bunch of content but we didn't had time to finalize it
- The main work done by the teacher with the tablets was:
   * Mind mapping using the Sugarizer Labyrinth activity
   * Scratch using ScratchJR application
   * E-book creation using BookCreator application
- Sandrine had regular contacts with the teacher during the year. We had few 
meetings with her too and we had a meeting with parents at the end of the year

We're starting these days a new deployment in another school with 10 tablets 
(same model). AFAK these tablets will not be dedicated to a specific grade  
this time.

Best regards.

   Lionel.




2017-09-24 20:52 GMT+02:00 Caryl Bigenho 
<cbige...@hotmail.com<mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com>>:

Hi Walter,


Thanks for replying! Yes, we find things a bit hectic here too... we just made 
our semi-annual move from Montana and are in the midst of unpacking our stuff.


I look forward to seeing what results Lionel gets from his pilot test of 
Sugarizer in a school. Do you know what grade (age) levels he is testing?


We can ask Rosamel for some input. As you probably know she is not only working 
in a school but also is teaching prospective teachers in a local university! 
She really knows her stuff!


I was hoping she could do a survey for us from some of the most successful 
users of Sugar in the schools she worked with.  Her school, which we visited at 
the EduJam, was very impressive. Some of the others ... not so much. 
Teacher/parent "buy in" is very important! If we want to do that, it would be 
good to do it before they go into their summer vacation.


Lionel mentioned someone liking Abecederium. It is a good one for primary 
school, but there may be problems when we try to translate it into other 
languages.


I was thinking that, after releasing a Sugarizer1° there could be other 
specialized versions of Sugerizer... eg Sugarizer+-x/ (specially for math) 
SugarizerCompute (with Pippy and other programming Activities), Sugarizer 
(Music) and so forth! There are so many possibilities.


I see Sugarizer1° as a "trial balloon" where we could get all the kinks out... 
testing, documentation, translations, marketing, distribution and the like. I 
also have a granddaughter in the first grade and her Daddy has his PhD in 
Cognitive Science and Educational Technology. He is a "hard sell" on things 
like this so, if he likes it, you know it is good!


Caryl


From: Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com<mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:18:20 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; 
Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org<mailto:igna...@sugarlabs.org>; Tony 
Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
Subject: Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited



On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:2

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Caryl Bigenho]

Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between Google 
and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time he can fly 
(evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his trip is approved.
Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt 
> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:

-1 for this motion.

Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that Samson 
as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there is no 
reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.

Lionel,

While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it 
funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in Haiti...)

Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with a 
spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier desired 
1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion his 2 side 
trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL 
Lagos - San Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16

Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side trips 
could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, instead of 
forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto high-pressure sales 
tactics.

But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind us.

If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).

In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to travel 
like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned forthrightly a priori 
(instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and costing us money with 
ever-rising flight costs...)

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Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Walter,


Thanks for replying! Yes, we find things a bit hectic here too... we just made 
our semi-annual move from Montana and are in the midst of unpacking our stuff.


I look forward to seeing what results Lionel gets from his pilot test of 
Sugarizer in a school. Do you know what grade (age) levels he is testing?


We can ask Rosamel for some input. As you probably know she is not only working 
in a school but also is teaching prospective teachers in a local university! 
She really knows her stuff!


I was hoping she could do a survey for us from some of the most successful 
users of Sugar in the schools she worked with.  Her school, which we visited at 
the EduJam, was very impressive. Some of the others ... not so much. 
Teacher/parent "buy in" is very important! If we want to do that, it would be 
good to do it before they go into their summer vacation.


Lionel mentioned someone liking Abecederium. It is a good one for primary 
school, but there may be problems when we try to translate it into other 
languages.


I was thinking that, after releasing a Sugarizer1° there could be other 
specialized versions of Sugerizer... eg Sugarizer+-x/ (specially for math) 
SugarizerCompute (with Pippy and other programming Activities), Sugarizer 
(Music) and so forth! There are so many possibilities.


I see Sugarizer1° as a "trial balloon" where we could get all the kinks out... 
testing, documentation, translations, marketing, distribution and the like. I 
also have a granddaughter in the first grade and her Daddy has his PhD in 
Cognitive Science and Educational Technology. He is a "hard sell" on things 
like this so, if he likes it, you know it is good!


Caryl


From: Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:18:20 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; 
Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José 
Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
Subject: Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited



On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
<cbige...@hotmail.com<mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks...


I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy and 
overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°.

Things have been a bit chaotic of late :P


I am resending it and hoping to get some honest opinions and suggestions, 
especially from those of you who have been interested in and working with 
Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates for the Sugar Labs Oversight 
Board.

I undestand that Lionel is in the midst of his first pilot test of Sugarizer in 
a school, although I don't know any of the specifics. It would seem we should 
consider what he learns from the pilot before executing a plan such as you 
describe. In the meantime, we should be able to gather some data from the 
Ceibal team that is already on the ground in UY and in daily contact with 
teachers and students. Lots we can learn from them.

regards.

-walter


I look forward to a discussion about how we could best make something like this 
happen to bring the magic of Sugar to children everywhere.


Caryl


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From: Caryl Bigenho on behalf of Caryl Bigenho 
<ca...@laptop.org<mailto:ca...@laptop.org>>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:51:32 PM
To: iaep; Adam Holt; Walter Bender; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; 
Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org<mailto:igna...@sugarlabs.org>; Tony 
Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
Subject: Sugarizer1° Revisited

Hello All,

I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.” When I 
joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar Labs I was 
excited by the concept of bringing collaborative, constructionism to children’s 
learning all over the world. Later, as the XOs were no longer readily 
available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any device” promised an exciting way that 
this could still actually happen.

Now, I am seeing an attempt by a few individuals to usurp all this and drive 
the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I believe this 
should be a world-wide movement to improve education of children everywhere! I 
also believe many of you agree with me.

A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt would 
help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning with Sugar 
to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some of the 
weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived needs of 
children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was done, 
masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective users have 
to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful educational tool that it 
is.

My proposed project would start small, with a special ve

Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks...


I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy and 
overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°. I am resending it and hoping to get some 
honest opinions and suggestions, especially from those of you who have been 
interested in and working with Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates 
for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board.


I look forward to a discussion about how we could best make something like this 
happen to bring the magic of Sugar to children everywhere.


Caryl



From: Caryl Bigenho on behalf of Caryl Bigenho <ca...@laptop.org>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:51:32 PM
To: iaep; Adam Holt; Walter Bender; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; 
Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José 
Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
Subject: Sugarizer1° Revisited

Hello All,

I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.” When I 
joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar Labs I was 
excited by the concept of bringing collaborative, constructionism to children’s 
learning all over the world. Later, as the XOs were no longer readily 
available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any device” promised an exciting way that 
this could still actually happen.

Now, I am seeing an attempt by a few individuals to usurp all this and drive 
the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I believe this 
should be a world-wide movement to improve education of children everywhere! I 
also believe many of you agree with me.

A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt would 
help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning with Sugar 
to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some of the 
weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived needs of 
children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was done, 
masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective users have 
to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful educational tool that it 
is.

My proposed project would start small, with a special version of Sugarizer 
designed just for children in the first 2 or 3 years of school. It would begin 
with a survey of students and teachers in Uruguay who had used Sugar Activities 
in the Project Ceibal program. After finding a small number of favorite 
Activities, say ten to twelve, the first version would be produced in both 
Spanish and English. It would be called Sugarizer1°, or Sugarizer Primero 
because it would be designed especially for children in the "primary grades".

When the first versions were ready, they would be tested by children, teachers, 
and parents using all sorts of devices. Surveys to find favorite Activities 
would be done. Ways to use them with classroom lessons would be found. Ways to 
enhance learning at home would be found. Fun things to do with Sugar as a 
family would be found. Documentation of all this would be made universally 
available online. Versions in other languages would be added at this point. 
French would be logical then possibly Hindi, Arabic, and Chinese. Other smaller 
language groups could also be served such as Haitian Creole, Aymara, and the 
like.

For the regular Release Candidate, an energetic “Marketing campaign” would be 
needed with Sugar Labs volunteers going to all sorts of educational and open 
source fairs and conferences, presenting at teacher education institutions, and 
the like. Getting some of the teachers, students, and parents from the beta 
testing stage to write articles, blogs, and the like about their experiences 
would help. Some travel expenses might be incurred and some stipends for 
writers might be appropriate.

As you can see in the paragraph above, many of these steps should cost money. 
For example, a coordinating teacher in Uruguay should be paid to conduct the 
studies there (logically this would be Rosamel Ramirez). Possibly educators who 
work for us as documentation writers should be paid. Etc. Etc. Etc.

This proposal needs lots of work. It did 2 summers ago and it still does. If 
others tell me they also feel that the Magic of Sugar should be for children 
everywhere, I’ll proceed to produce a good formal motion to the board. If there 
is no interest, I won’t waste any more time on it (planning and writing this 
would take many hours of thought, research, and discussion with other Sugar 
Labs members).

What do you all think???

Caryl

P.S. the logo for Sugarizer1° would still be the cute little XO man! He is 
recognized by people all over the world and thus has lots of value as a 
marketing tool. It would be foolish to replace him with anything else.
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[IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hello All,

I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.” When I 
joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar Labs I was 
excited by the concept of bringing collaborative, constructionism to children’s 
learning all over the world. Later, as the XOs were no longer readily 
available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any device” promised an exciting way that 
this could still actually happen.

Now, I am seeing an attempt by a few individuals to usurp all this and drive 
the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I believe this 
should be a world-wide movement to improve education of children everywhere! I 
also believe many of you agree with me.

A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt would 
help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning with Sugar 
to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some of the 
weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived needs of 
children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was done, 
masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective users have 
to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful educational tool that it 
is.

My proposed project would start small, with a special version of Sugarizer 
designed just for children in the first 2 or 3 years of school. It would begin 
with a survey of students and teachers in Uruguay who had used Sugar Activities 
in the Project Ceibal program. After finding a small number of favorite 
Activities, say ten to twelve, the first version would be produced in both 
Spanish and English. It would be called Sugarizer1°, or Sugarizer Primero 
because it would be designed especially for children in the "primary grades".

When the first versions were ready, they would be tested by children, teachers, 
and parents using all sorts of devices. Surveys to find favorite Activities 
would be done. Ways to use them with classroom lessons would be found. Ways to 
enhance learning at home would be found. Fun things to do with Sugar as a 
family would be found. Documentation of all this would be made universally 
available online. Versions in other languages would be added at this point. 
French would be logical then possibly Hindi, Arabic, and Chinese. Other smaller 
language groups could also be served such as Haitian Creole, Aymara, and the 
like.

For the regular Release Candidate, an energetic “Marketing campaign” would be 
needed with Sugar Labs volunteers going to all sorts of educational and open 
source fairs and conferences, presenting at teacher education institutions, and 
the like. Getting some of the teachers, students, and parents from the beta 
testing stage to write articles, blogs, and the like about their experiences 
would help. Some travel expenses might be incurred and some stipends for 
writers might be appropriate.

As you can see in the paragraph above, many of these steps should cost money. 
For example, a coordinating teacher in Uruguay should be paid to conduct the 
studies there (logically this would be Rosamel Ramirez). Possibly educators who 
work for us as documentation writers should be paid. Etc. Etc. Etc.

This proposal needs lots of work. It did 2 summers ago and it still does. If 
others tell me they also feel that the Magic of Sugar should be for children 
everywhere, I’ll proceed to produce a good formal motion to the board. If there 
is no interest, I won’t waste any more time on it (planning and writing this 
would take many hours of thought, research, and discussion with other Sugar 
Labs members).

What do you all think???

Caryl

P.S. the logo for Sugarizer1° would still be the cute little XO man! He is 
recognized by people all over the world and thus has lots of value as a 
marketing tool. It would be foolish to replace him with anything else.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Caryl Bigenho]

The XO icon in modified form is used on Sugarizer. It appears elsewhere on 
other current versions of Sugar. It is a well known icon and, as such, carries 
considerable intrinsic value.


If some people want to completely divorce themselves from all the hard work of 
their predecessors and the good will they have built up, perhaps it would be 
better for them to leave Sugar Labs entirely and strike out on their own.


Caryl



From: IAEP  on behalf of Sean DALY 

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Sebastian Silva
Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Samson Goddy; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y 
administradores; Laura Vargas; Sugar Labs Marketing; Sugar Labs Oversights 
Board; iaep; Ignacio Rodríguez
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

So your idea is: no trademarks at all? Do you think Sugar Labs should give up 
its trademark?

Is your goal to undermine Sugar Labs and/or OLPC?

Sean


On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Sebastian Silva 
> wrote:
On 15/09/17 10:59, Sean DALY wrote:
> The copyrights are licensed under the GPL, and OLPC's trademark has a
> long history of use in Sugar with OLPC's cooperation - a formal
> license may be superfluous (a determination which can only be made by
> a lawyer). The artwork file itself is GPL'd. So this is just an
> underhanded way to bypass the community (and the SLOBs) and impose a
> change.
You are not reading carefully. Perhaps Sugar Labs has permission. Do
downstream distributors? Do downstream service providers? Do OLPC
competitors?

Sebastian

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Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 Update

[Caryl Bigenho]

"Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on December 18, 
2017. I was not in the Membership Committee at the time" .


The above date is 3 months in the future! 



From: IAEP  on behalf of Samson Goddy 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:49:25 AM
To: Laura Vargas
Cc: Frederick Grose; sugar labs; pericherla seetaramaraju; SLOBs; Dave 
Crossland; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Ibiam Chihurumnaya; iaep
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 
Update



On Sep 13, 2017 1:15 PM, "Laura Vargas" 
> wrote:


2017-09-13 0:33 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy 
>:


On Sep 13, 2017 2:01 AM, "Laura Vargas" 
> wrote:
On Sep 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Laura Vargas" 
> wrote:

Hello Committee and Community members,

Topics for discussion

01 Ignacio,

Your resignation 
 to the 
board has a direct impact to current elections as it would open a fifth seat 
for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2017-2019 period.  As long as you don't make 
a formal declination of your board seat, the Membership and Elections Committee 
will not consider the seat available for the 2017-2019 elections.



Samson,

Can you please share your opinion in this issue as well?
Sorry for replying late, i think Ignacio have not originally declared himself 
out yet. So the seat isn't available until the next election.


Thanks for your imput. Given the relevance for current elections, l think we 
should doable-check with the Boar to be sure.

Secondly laura, as you requested Hrishi actually applied for membership, he has 
not gotten any reply or added today the list. I am still in Abuja for my visa 
(Which i got) so i am away from my computer.


Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on December 18, 2017. 
I was not in the Membership Committee at the time,

Can you confirm why you didn't approve the request at the time?
I did see his mail last week.

But he mailed the membership applying for membership September 11th.

Hrishi Patel
IRC name : hrishi
GitHub : hrishi1999

I've been contributing to SL since 2014. I've been part of GCI 2014,15,16. I 
was a mentor for 3 projects in GSoC 2017 and has helped for docs and other 
projects.


Please look into it.

Regards

--
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I SomosAZUCAR.Org

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter




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~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
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Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee sharing Member's List Update

[Caryl Bigenho]

Remember when the Sugar Labs election was handled by one very talented high 
school student who went by the handle, "FirefoxMan." He was truly impartial. No 
problems then. All was very smooth. Too bad he grew up and went to college!


Caryl


From: IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Laura Vargas 
<la...@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 4:56:23 AM
To: sugar labs; systems
Cc: iaep
Subject: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee sharing Member's List Update

Dear community and Membership and Elections Committee,

CC to IAEP, Systems, Board, Dave, Frederick, James


Member's List Update

Since June's members list publication, 5 members were added to Sugar Labs 
member's list:

- Martin Abente Lahaye: Email verified on July, 2017
- Devin Ulibarri: Membership requested on August 15, 2017
- Samuel Cantero: Membership requested on July 13, 2017
- T.K. Kang: Requested to my personal email> sent to members on August 30, 2017
- Michael Ohayon: Membership requested on August 3, 2017

For a new total of 145 Sugar Labs members


Procedure Notes:

01. All Membership and Elections Committee members have write access to the 
Sugar Labs member's list.

02. The Sugar Labs member's list is kept both on the sugarlabs-vote mailing 
list (with emails) and on the Sugar Labs wiki 
page<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List> (with out emails). 
Additionally, all Sugar Labs Oversight Board members have a copy of the file 
containing member's names and emails.

03. The sugarlabs-vote mailing list has the purpose of serving the Membership 
and Elections Committee to maintain the Sugar Labs member's list and therefore 
list configuration should be kept as follows:
Sugarlabs-vote Mailing list Configuration
List's administrator: members AT sugarlabs
Subscription Require approval - require list administrator approval for 
subscriptions
Emergency moderation of all list traffic.ON [currently this is not a list for 
communication]
private_roster (privacy): Set [list of subscribers is protected by member or 
admin password authentication]
obscure_addresses (privacy):Set [member email addresses to be transformed when 
they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links), so they're 
not trivially recognizable as email addresses. The intention is to prevent the 
addresses from being snarfed up by automated web scanners for use by spammers.]

This procedure was 
suggested<http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-08-05> by Dave 
Crossland and with the configuration set, it fits our requirements for all 
Committee members to have write access to the Sugar Labs member's list.


The 145 members in alphabetical order, as follows:

1   Aaron Borden
2   Adam Holt
3   Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
4   Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera
5   Alexander Dupuy
6   Alfonso de la Guarda
7   Ana Cichero Mildwurf
8   Andreas Gros
9   Andres Aguirre
10  Andrés Ambrois
11  Aneesh Dogra
12  Anish Mangal
13  Anne Gentle
14  Antonio Carlos
15  Anurag Goel
16  Asaf Paris Mandoki
17  Avni Khatri
18  Benjamin Berg
19  Benjamin Mako Hill
20  Bernie Innocenti
21  Bert Freudenberg
22  Bill Bogstad
23  Bob Stepno
24  Carla Gomez Monroy
25  Carol Lerche
26  Carol Ruth Silver
27  Caryl Bigenho
28  Chris Ball
29  Chris Leonard
30  Christoph Derndorfer
31  Claudia Urrea
32  Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
33  Daksh Shah
34  Dan Williams
35  Dan Winship
36  Daniel Castelo
37  David Van Assche
38  David Wallace
39  Devin Ulibarri
40  Edward Cherlin
41  Eli Heuer
42  Enrique Mayorga González
43  Erik Blankinship
44  Frederick Grose
45  Gary Martin
46  George Hunt
47  Gerald Ardito
48  Greg DeKoenigsberg
49  Greg Smith
50  Guillaume Desmottes
51  Harriet Vidyasagar
52  Henry Hardy
53  Henry Holtzman
54  Hernan Pachas
55  Hilary Naylor
56  I. T. Daniher
57  Iain Davidson
58  Ian Bicking
59  Ibiam Chihurumnaya
60  Ifeanyi Mattew
61  Ignacio Rodríguez
62  Irma Couretot
63  James F. Carroll
64  James Simmons
65  Jean Piché
66  Jecel Assumpcao
67  Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez
68  Jim Gettys
69  John Watlington
70  Jose Antonio Rocha
71  Jose Miguel Garcia
72  Juan Camilo Lema
73  June Kleider
74  Kaif Khan
75  Kevin Cole
76  Kim Rose
77  Laura Victoria Vargas
78  Lionel Laske
79  Luis Patricio Acevedo Jimenez
80  Luke Faraone
81  Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
82  Manu Cornet
83  Manusheel Gupta
84  Marc Maurer
85  Marco Pesenti Gritti
86  Marcos Orfila
87  Mariah ELi
88  Martin Dengler
89  Martin Abente Lahaye
90  Martin Langhoff
91  Matt Lee
92  Mel Chua
93  Michael Stone
94  Michae

Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee sharing Member's List Update

[Caryl Bigenho]

Perhaps this should also be sent to the sur list?


Caryl


From: IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Laura Vargas 
<la...@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 4:56:23 AM
To: sugar labs; systems
Cc: iaep
Subject: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee sharing Member's List Update

Dear community and Membership and Elections Committee,

CC to IAEP, Systems, Board, Dave, Frederick, James


Member's List Update

Since June's members list publication, 5 members were added to Sugar Labs 
member's list:

- Martin Abente Lahaye: Email verified on July, 2017
- Devin Ulibarri: Membership requested on August 15, 2017
- Samuel Cantero: Membership requested on July 13, 2017
- T.K. Kang: Requested to my personal email> sent to members on August 30, 2017
- Michael Ohayon: Membership requested on August 3, 2017

For a new total of 145 Sugar Labs members


Procedure Notes:

01. All Membership and Elections Committee members have write access to the 
Sugar Labs member's list.

02. The Sugar Labs member's list is kept both on the sugarlabs-vote mailing 
list (with emails) and on the Sugar Labs wiki 
page<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List> (with out emails). 
Additionally, all Sugar Labs Oversight Board members have a copy of the file 
containing member's names and emails.

03. The sugarlabs-vote mailing list has the purpose of serving the Membership 
and Elections Committee to maintain the Sugar Labs member's list and therefore 
list configuration should be kept as follows:
Sugarlabs-vote Mailing list Configuration
List's administrator: members AT sugarlabs
Subscription Require approval - require list administrator approval for 
subscriptions
Emergency moderation of all list traffic.ON [currently this is not a list for 
communication]
private_roster (privacy): Set [list of subscribers is protected by member or 
admin password authentication]
obscure_addresses (privacy):Set [member email addresses to be transformed when 
they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links), so they're 
not trivially recognizable as email addresses. The intention is to prevent the 
addresses from being snarfed up by automated web scanners for use by spammers.]

This procedure was 
suggested<http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-08-05> by Dave 
Crossland and with the configuration set, it fits our requirements for all 
Committee members to have write access to the Sugar Labs member's list.


The 145 members in alphabetical order, as follows:

1   Aaron Borden
2   Adam Holt
3   Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
4   Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera
5   Alexander Dupuy
6   Alfonso de la Guarda
7   Ana Cichero Mildwurf
8   Andreas Gros
9   Andres Aguirre
10  Andrés Ambrois
11  Aneesh Dogra
12  Anish Mangal
13  Anne Gentle
14  Antonio Carlos
15  Anurag Goel
16  Asaf Paris Mandoki
17  Avni Khatri
18  Benjamin Berg
19  Benjamin Mako Hill
20  Bernie Innocenti
21  Bert Freudenberg
22  Bill Bogstad
23  Bob Stepno
24  Carla Gomez Monroy
25  Carol Lerche
26  Carol Ruth Silver
27  Caryl Bigenho
28  Chris Ball
29  Chris Leonard
30  Christoph Derndorfer
31  Claudia Urrea
32  Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
33  Daksh Shah
34  Dan Williams
35  Dan Winship
36  Daniel Castelo
37  David Van Assche
38  David Wallace
39  Devin Ulibarri
40  Edward Cherlin
41  Eli Heuer
42  Enrique Mayorga González
43  Erik Blankinship
44  Frederick Grose
45  Gary Martin
46  George Hunt
47  Gerald Ardito
48  Greg DeKoenigsberg
49  Greg Smith
50  Guillaume Desmottes
51  Harriet Vidyasagar
52  Henry Hardy
53  Henry Holtzman
54  Hernan Pachas
55  Hilary Naylor
56  I. T. Daniher
57  Iain Davidson
58  Ian Bicking
59  Ibiam Chihurumnaya
60  Ifeanyi Mattew
61  Ignacio Rodríguez
62  Irma Couretot
63  James F. Carroll
64  James Simmons
65  Jean Piché
66  Jecel Assumpcao
67  Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez
68  Jim Gettys
69  John Watlington
70  Jose Antonio Rocha
71  Jose Miguel Garcia
72  Juan Camilo Lema
73  June Kleider
74  Kaif Khan
75  Kevin Cole
76  Kim Rose
77  Laura Victoria Vargas
78  Lionel Laske
79  Luis Patricio Acevedo Jimenez
80  Luke Faraone
81  Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
82  Manu Cornet
83  Manusheel Gupta
84  Marc Maurer
85  Marco Pesenti Gritti
86  Marcos Orfila
87  Mariah ELi
88  Martin Dengler
89  Martin Abente Lahaye
90  Martin Langhoff
91  Matt Lee
92  Mel Chua
93  Michael Stone
94  Michael Ohayon
95  Nathanael Lécaudé
96  Neyder Achahuanco
97  Noah Kantrowitz
98  Olivier Bélanger
99  Pablo Baqués
100 Pablo Flores
101 Pacita Peña
102 Paulo Drummond
103 

Re: [IAEP] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hello All...


I came late to this discussion as we have been very busy the past few days and 
I didn't check my email until this am.

I wish to question the propriety of making the financial manager a paid 
employee who is also serving on the board. This is quite out of the ordinary 
and begs for a conflict of interest problem. This holds true for family members 
of a board member (spouse, children, mothers etc.). This is not just coming 
from me. A quick search turns up plenty of information:


>From Google:

Can an employees of a non profit be on the board of directors?
It is not a good idea to have a paid staff member serve on the board and may 
even be limited by your state's nonprofit laws. The chief reason staff members 
do not usually sit on a nonprofit's board is the risk of a conflict of 
interest. ... Staff may attend board meetings, especially the CEO or Executive 
Director.Oct 25, 2016

What state is SFC, our umbrella organization incorporated in? The state laws 
may actually forbid paid staff and/or their spouses, children, etc. from 
serving on the board.  There are also some IRS complications that may come up.

Sugar Labs is already paying SFC to do the books. It should not be a "job" to 
collect their periodic report and share it with the Sugar Labs membership. In 
the meantime, I understand the SLOBs have been granted access to the financial 
information now on an ongoing basis, which should help clear up some of the 
questions people have had.

Other Sources

https://www.thebalance.com/can-nonprofits-pay-board-members-or-appoint-paid-staff-2502271

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/56/files/2017/08/Screenshot-2017-08-21-06.14.27.png

https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/can-board-members-be-paid
[https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/sites/default/files/resources-tools/images/questions-answers-feature.jpg]

Can board members be paid? | National Council of 
Nonprofits
www.councilofnonprofits.org
The vast, indeed overwhelming majority, of board members of charitable 
nonprofits are unpaid volunteer members of their boards of directors. This is 
because of the ...

Caryl



From: IAEP  on behalf of Laura Vargas 

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:32:28 AM
To: Adam Holt; SLOBs
Cc: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; Karen Sandler; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, 
voluntarios y administradores
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs 
Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

Adam,

I'm OK if you are not willing to mentor me. I'll research and learn as well.

I have published all the ledger commands here, that I know of to hopefully get 
you started: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-August/019935.html

PS a quarterly financial report makes Far More Sense that monthly voodoo / 
feel-good economics, when most transactions are reported at highly uncertain 
times many months after the fact.

Yes. Approved MOTION 2017-13 Approves the Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have 
a monthly stipend of US$ TBD in exchange for: 1 complete financial report per 
quarter and it's publication on the Sugar Labs Finance Wiki page.

20 hours or anybody's time to repeatedly run the same numbers is an extremely 
bad use of anybody's time in my opinion, particularly as there are many months 
with no transactions at all.


I estimated I would need to dedicate least 20 monthly hours, considering that:

A) English is not my native language and I have to account time for translating 
and rechecking.
B) Reports publication are due since February 2016 (1 year and 2 quarters to 
catch up).
C) All financial procedures require to be debugged and properly published on 
the SL wiki.

Anyhow, if this is what you are requiring please feel free to modify up or down 
the amount of the stipend so we can move on.

Regards,


--
Laura V.
I SomosAZUCAR.Org

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members

[Caryl Bigenho]

In the interest of openness and clarity, I am forwarding this conversation to 
the rest of the SugarLabs Oversight Board and some of the previous board 
members. I do not feel that this is something that should be hidden from them.


Caryl


From: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 12:27:29 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: James Cameron; Walter Bender; Gonzalo Odiard; iaep; Samuel Cantero; Karen 
Sandler; Tony Sebro
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members



2017-08-29 14:06 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho 
<cbige...@hotmail.com<mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com>>:

And, exactly why were there only 3 candidates for 3 slots?


Because the committee did not actively recruit other candidates to give us a 
real election! The year before we worked very hard to get a larger number of 
candidates than there were offices (all 7 slots were open). We did this by mass 
emailings and by individually contacting people and encouraging them to run. We 
ended up with 10 or 11 candidates.


As I said before, last year's election was a sham.

Caryl

We are all volunteers here!

Ignacio, Samson and I were properly appointed and the process was approved and 
over sighted by the 
board<http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-01-06T19:07:40>.

Dave Crossland kindly acted as an impartial party as well.


I'm copying Conservancy's Staff as your accusations are beyond a "learning 
experience" and I feel harassed by you.


--
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“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members

[Caryl Bigenho]

And, exactly why were there only 3 candidates for 3 slots?


Because the committee did not actively recruit other candidates to give us a 
real election! The year before we worked very hard to get a larger number of 
candidates than there were offices (all 7 slots were open). We did this by mass 
emailings and by individually contacting people and encouraging them to run. We 
ended up with 10 or 11 candidates.


As I said before, last year's election was a sham. I am hoping that this year 
will be better. Getting a complete up-to-date membership list is just step one. 
They should have done that last year, and didn't. We did the year before. Now, 
lets see if they can get a good, viable list of candidates willing to serve.


Caryl


From: qu...@laptop.org <qu...@laptop.org> on behalf of James Cameron 
<qu...@laptop.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 10:43:20 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: Walter Bender; Gonzalo Odiard; Laura Vargas; iaep; Samuel Cantero
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members

Caryl, that's wrong.  There was no vote because the number of
candidates was equal to the number of slots.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 04:04:11PM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> This is why last year's SLOB election was such a sham! So many long time
> members/contributors were disenfranchised.
>
> Caryl
>
> ━━━
> From: IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Walter Bender
> <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:25:32 AM
> To: Gonzalo Odiard
> Cc: Laura Vargas; iaep; Samuel Cantero
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members
>
> [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/
> donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1
> [2][3]Opinion | The Voter Purges Are Coming
> [19guptaWeb-facebookJumbo] www.nytimes.com<http://www.nytimes.com>
>We can’t let the Trump administration get away with
>them.
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Gonzalo Odiard <[4]godi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have been removed from the list.
> What was the criteria used to remove old members?
> I am not involved in the development right now, but I see people who was
> not involved
> for a much longer time.
>
> Gonzalo Odiard
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Samuel Cantero <[5]scante...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Laura Vargas 
> <[6]la...@somosazucar.org
> > wrote:
>
> Dear Samuel,
>
> I just checked and your email is not on the original list, so it
> would be normal you didn't get either of the verification emails.
>
> Are you sure you went trough the new member process? If yes could
> you re-send to membersATsugarlabs.org the email membership request
> or a new one if not?
>
> I didn't know about a membership process. is that really necessary to
> send another email for it?
>
> Will be happy to add you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura V
>
>
> 2017-07-06 10:44 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero 
> <[7]scante...@gmail.com>:
>
> I didn't receive the email (twice). maybe a typo in my email
> address?
>
> Best,
>
> Sam C.
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, Laura Vargas <[8]
> la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all, hola a todos!
>
> I'm happy to report  that after second round of emails
> verification (Thank you Ignacio!), emails corrections and
> addition of new members (Welcome Hilary!), we have a
> current total 140 members:
>
>   1 Aaron Borden
>   2 Adam Holt
>   3 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
>   4 Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera
>   5 Alexander Dupuy
>   6 Alfonso de la Guarda
>   7 Ana Cichero Mildwurf
>   8 Andreas Gros
>   9 Andres Aguirre
>  10 Andrés Ambrois
>  11 Aneesh Dogra
>  12 Anish Mangal
>  13 Anne Gentle
>  14 Antonio Carlos
>  15 Anurag Goel
>  16 Asaf Paris Mandoki
>  17 Avn

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members

[Caryl Bigenho]

This is why last year's SLOB election was such a sham! So many long time 
members/contributors were disenfranchised.


Caryl


From: IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Walter Bender 
<walter.ben...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:25:32 AM
To: Gonzalo Odiard
Cc: Laura Vargas; iaep; Samuel Cantero
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1
[https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/07/19/opinion/19guptaWeb/19guptaWeb-facebookJumbo.jpg]<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1>

Opinion | The Voter Purges Are 
Coming<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1>
www.nytimes.com
We can’t let the Trump administration get away with them.


On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Gonzalo Odiard 
<godi...@gmail.com<mailto:godi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have been removed from the list.
What was the criteria used to remove old members?
I am not involved in the development right now, but I see people who was not 
involved
for a much longer time.

Gonzalo Odiard

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Samuel Cantero 
<scante...@gmail.com<mailto:scante...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Laura Vargas 
<la...@somosazucar.org<mailto:la...@somosazucar.org>> wrote:
Dear Samuel,

I just checked and your email is not on the original list, so it would be 
normal you didn't get either of the verification emails.

Are you sure you went trough the new member process? If yes could you re-send 
to membersATsugarlabs.org the email membership request or a new one if not?

I didn't know about a membership process. is that really necessary to send 
another email for it?

Will be happy to add you.

Regards,

Laura V




2017-07-06 10:44 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero 
<scante...@gmail.com<mailto:scante...@gmail.com>>:
I didn't receive the email (twice). maybe a typo in my email address?

Best,

Sam C.

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, Laura Vargas 
<la...@somosazucar.org<mailto:la...@somosazucar.org>> wrote:
Hello all, hola a todos!

I'm happy to report  that after second round of emails verification (Thank you 
Ignacio!), emails corrections and addition of new members (Welcome Hilary!), we 
have a current total 140 members:

1   Aaron Borden
2   Adam Holt
3   Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
4   Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera
5   Alexander Dupuy
6   Alfonso de la Guarda
7   Ana Cichero Mildwurf
8   Andreas Gros
9   Andres Aguirre
10  Andrés Ambrois
11  Aneesh Dogra
12  Anish Mangal
13  Anne Gentle
14  Antonio Carlos
15  Anurag Goel
16  Asaf Paris Mandoki
17  Avni Khatri
18  Benjamin Berg
19  Benjamin Mako Hill
20  Bernie Innocenti
21  Bert Freudenberg
22  Bill Bogstad
23  Bob Stepno
24  Carla Gomez Monroy
25  Carol Lerche
26  Carol Ruth Silver
27  Caryl Bigenho
28  Chris Ball
29  Chris Leonard
30  Christoph Derndorfer
31  Claudia Urrea
32  Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
33  Daksh Shah
34  Dan Williams
35  Dan Winship
36  Daniel Castelo
37  David Van Assche
38  David Wallace
39  Edward Cherlin
40  Eli Heuer
41  Enrique Mayorga González
42  Erik Blankinship
43  Frederick Grose
44  Gary Martin
45  George Hunt
46  Gerald Ardito
47  Greg DeKoenigsberg
48  Greg Smith
49  Guillaume Desmottes
50  Harriet Vidyasagar
51  Henry Hardy
52  Henry Holtzman
53  Hernan Pachas
54  Hilary Naylor
55  I. T. Daniher
56  Iain Davidson
57  Ian Bicking
58  Ibiam Chihurumnaya
59  Ifeanyi Mattew
60  Ignacio Rodríguez
61  Irma Couretot
62  James F. Carroll
63  James Simmons
64  Jean Piché
65  Jecel Assumpcao
66  Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez
67  Jim Gettys
68  John Watlington
69  Jose Antonio Rocha
70  Jose Miguel Garcia
71  Juan Camilo Lema
72  June Kleider
73  Kaif Khan
74  Kevin Cole
75  Kim Rose
76  Laura Victoria Vargas
77  Lionel Laske
78  Luis Patricio Acevedo Jimenez
79  Luke Faraone
80  Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
81  Manu Cornet
82  Manusheel Gupta
83  Marc Maurer
84  Marco Pesenti Gritti
85  Marcos Orfila
86  Mariah ELi
87  Martin Dengler
88  Martin Langhoff
89  Matt Lee
90  Mel Chua
91  Michael Stone
92  Nathanael Lécaudé
93  Neyder Achahuanco
94  Noah Kantrowitz
95  Olivier Bélanger
96  Pablo Baqués
97  Pablo Flores
98  Pacita Peña
99  Paulo Drummond
100 Peter Robinson
101 Phil Bordelon
102 Rabi Karmacharya
103 Rafael Cordano
104 Rafael Ortiz
105 Raffael Reichelt
106 Ralph Hyre
107 Raul Hugo

[IAEP] Revised Motion to Change The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance

[Caryl Bigenho]

Yeah... To Sam Greenfield's comment. That is the problem. There is no 
definition of what a "majority" of community members constitutes. The last 
election was done with far less than half of the actual members participating. 
Somehow an old list was used, even though Samson and I worked very hard the 
previous year to get an up to date list it, evidently was not used as many of 
us (myself included) were not on the list used last year. I think they finally 
have ta more complete list for this year's election.


The board has seven members. A majority of the board should be sufficient to 
make a decision about whether a board member is being an obstructionist and 
causing a lot of discouragement.


Asking the general membership to vote could turn into a popularity contest as 
they aren't generally aware of what goes on in the board meetings. In other 
words, they really wouldn't know what the actual dynamics of the board are and 
why little gets done.


For the future of Sugar Labs it is important to have an Oversight Board that 
can get things done. That is not the case now. That is why I am proposing the 
motion.


To James yes, you are probably right. So, keeping the right of the 
membership to vote and adding the power to the board seems like a more logical 
move. So I'll change my motion to read as follows:


Motion to be voted on by the SLOB members:

 These lines in the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance shall be changed wherever 
they occur
from:
(Changes in italics)
"The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any 
time by a majority vote of the Community Members"
to:

"The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any 
time by a majority vote of the Community Members or by a majority vote of the 
members of the Sugar Labs Oversight Board”



Caryl


From: IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Samuel Greenfeld 
<sam...@greenfeld.org>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:18:54 PM
To: IAEP SugarLabs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Motion to Change The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance

I disagree with this.  While I have been on boards with an annoying member or 
two, letting a few board members vote the others off leads to coups and other 
odd politics.  I have never personally seen such language in governing 
documents before.

That said, what is considered a quorum of the Community Members for a recall 
vote (the majority of those present having to vote in favor of it)?


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
<ca...@laptop.org<mailto:ca...@laptop.org>> wrote:

Dear Fellow Sugar Labs Members

Recently the SLOB has become extremely dysfunctional. When this happens to this 
degree, it may be time to look for a remedy. Sometimes this will best be 
accomplished by a change in personnel. Here are what some websites have to say 
about this issue:



  *   “Occasionally, a board member needs to be removed from the board. In some 
cases, a conflict of interest or unethical behavior may be grounds to remove an 
individual from the board. In other cases, the behavior of a board member may 
become so obstructive that the board is prevented from functioning effectively.”

http://www.blueavocado.org/content/four-ways-remove-board-member



  *   “Opposing viewpoints are to be expected, but they should never cross the 
line into becoming obstructive to the organization’s mission. When board 
members breach into destructive or demoralizing behavior, the rest of the board 
needs to make a decision about removing one board member for the good of the 
whole.”

http://www.boardeffect.com/blog/how-to-remove-a-board-member/



  *   “Your operating bylaws should have a procedure outlined on how to remove 
a board member. Make sure the steps are in there now, and before you run into 
any problems down the road. The board should keep documentation on why the 
board member is being removed and the steps they take.”

http://nonprofithub.org/board-of-directors/how-to-remove-a-nonprofit-board-member/


The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance provide for removal by a majority vote of 
the Community Members. However this is a very cumbersome business. Most 
organizations provide for a majority vote of the board members. Our current 
Rules of Governance say:

“The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any 
time by a majority vote of the Community Members.”

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance

To simplify this process, I  therefore wish to propose the following change to 
the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance:

Motion to be voted on by the SLOB members:

These lines in the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance shall be changed wherever 
they occur
from:

"The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any 
time by a majority vote of the Community Members"  to

"The members of the Oversight Board may be removed fro

[IAEP] Motion to Change The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance

[Caryl Bigenho]

Dear Fellow Sugar Labs Members

Recently the SLOB has become extremely dysfunctional. When this happens to this 
degree, it may be time to look for a remedy. Sometimes this will best be 
accomplished by a change in personnel. Here are what some websites have to say 
about this issue:



  *   “Occasionally, a board member needs to be removed from the board. In some 
cases, a conflict of interest or unethical behavior may be grounds to remove an 
individual from the board. In other cases, the behavior of a board member may 
become so obstructive that the board is prevented from functioning effectively.”

http://www.blueavocado.org/content/four-ways-remove-board-member



  *   “Opposing viewpoints are to be expected, but they should never cross the 
line into becoming obstructive to the organization’s mission. When board 
members breach into destructive or demoralizing behavior, the rest of the board 
needs to make a decision about removing one board member for the good of the 
whole.”

http://www.boardeffect.com/blog/how-to-remove-a-board-member/



  *   “Your operating bylaws should have a procedure outlined on how to remove 
a board member. Make sure the steps are in there now, and before you run into 
any problems down the road. The board should keep documentation on why the 
board member is being removed and the steps they take.”

http://nonprofithub.org/board-of-directors/how-to-remove-a-nonprofit-board-member/


The Sugar Labs Rules of Governance provide for removal by a majority vote of 
the Community Members. However this is a very cumbersome business. Most 
organizations provide for a majority vote of the board members. Our current 
Rules of Governance say:

“The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any 
time by a majority vote of the Community Members.”

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance

To simplify this process, I  therefore wish to propose the following change to 
the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance:

Motion to be voted on by the SLOB members:

These lines in the Sugar Labs Rules of Governance shall be changed wherever 
they occur
from:

"The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any 
time by a majority vote of the Community Members"  to

"The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any 
time by a majority vote of the Sugar Labs Oversight Board."

You folks may wish to tweak the language a bit, but I have tried to keep it as 
simple as possible.

Abrazos,

Caryl Bigenho


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Caryl Bigenho]

+1 for James C.  The voice of reason speaks! Thank you!



From: IAEP  on behalf of James Cameron 

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:57:40 PM
To: Laura Vargas
Cc: iaep; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, , 
voluntarios y administradores; Hilary Naylor; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

The policy does not apply when the funding comes from an organisation
external to SFC.

Thanks to OLPC-SF and Hilary!

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:00:54PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> Hi Hilary,
>
> Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy, and so
> travel funding is subject to the [1]Software Freedom Conservancy Travel and
> Reimbursable Expense Policy.
>
> You can access the policy also via Sugar Labs Wiki Finance page at:
>
> [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
>
> Regards and blessings,
>
> Laura V
>
> 2017-08-13 17:43 GMT-05:00 Hilary Naylor <[3]hnay...@gmail.com>:
>
> dear all,
>Samson is now sponsored for the up-front expenses of his trip to GSoC 
> in
> the amount of $700. His actual expenses are closer to $900 if anyone wants
> to co-sponsor. I understand that SFC is going to reimburse me around $630
> because that is the amount they allocated for local travel expenses.
>
> kind regards,
> Hilary
> ---
> Hilary Naylor
> OLPC-SF
>
> ---fwd---
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:10:50 -0400
> From: Adam Holt <[4]h...@laptop.org>
> To: Lionel Laske <[5]lio...@olpc-france.org>
> Cc: iaep <[6]iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>,  Sugar-dev Devel
> <[7]sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org>,  "OLPC para usuarios,
> docentes,
> voluntarios y administradores" <[8]olpc-...@lists.laptop.org>,
> SLOBs
> <[9]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Tabitha Roder <[10]
> tabi...@tabitha.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
> precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
> matters.
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
> in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life 
> in
> Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
> things in his life.*
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [11]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
>
> ___
> SLOBs mailing list
> [12]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [13]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>
> References:
>
> [1] 
> https://gitorious.org/conservancy/policies?p=conservancy:policies.git;a=blob_plain;f=Travel/conservancy-travel-policy.txt;hb=HEAD
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
> [3] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> [4] mailto:h...@laptop.org
> [5] mailto:lio...@olpc-france.org
> [6] mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [7] mailto:sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [8] mailto:olpc-...@lists.laptop.org
> [9] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [10] mailto:tabi...@tabitha.net.nz
> [11] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [12] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [13] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Caryl Bigenho]

Why are most of these messages coming through with no content? Messages from 
Walter, Avni, and Laura had headers and footers only, no other content.


Caryl


From: IAEP  on behalf of Laura Vargas 

Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:08:06 AM
To: Avni Khatri
Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Samuel Cantero; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios 
y administradores; SLOBs; iaep
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed



2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri 
>:


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero 
> wrote:
mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a board 
member but +1 for sure.


+1


Hello Avni,

I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is responsible 
for Google's collections.

Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of 
opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's case 
when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an unbelievable lack of 
collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's projects.

Responsibility isn't clear at this point.

About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's 
decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.

In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative for Sugar 
Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period. Still, this role 
doesn't account for any financial responsibility according to current 
Governance.

I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any 
financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert by 
proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly 
compensation.



Regards,
Laura V



On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
Walter,

-1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we participated 
still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we will collect 
Google's funds this time.

Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that we 
have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.

The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to represent SL 
at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.

-walter


Regards



2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender 
>:
I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so 
please respond ASAP.

Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to the 
Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance to cover 
the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire fees comes to 
$US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As additional 
background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel expenses for two 
representatives to attend the summit. Since our other representative is local 
to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be available to cover Samson's 
travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be negligible.

regards.

-walter


-- Forwarded message --
From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy 
>
Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for 
Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
To: su...@sfconservancy.org
Cc: Martin Michlmayr >, 
Samson Goddy >


Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.

Samson,

Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> it has been 5 days, i already made request to 
> su...@sfconservancy.org for
> funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to
> accept appointment for interview.
>
> I haven't heard anything from both parties.

Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.

SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:

  FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
  FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
  2017).  The totals are as follows:

  If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)

  If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be wired.
  

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...


Sebastian wrote, "Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn 
etc, do not fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do 
not promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs."


Huh??? It seems since the goal of Sugarizer is to make it available FREE to run 
on "any device" that includes iPhones, Windows devices, etc. This comment of 
his doesn't make any sense! What about FREE/Libre software doesn't he 
understand???


Caryl


P.S. I proudly run Sugarizer on my iPhone!


From: IAEP  on behalf of Samson Goddy 

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:50:15 AM
To: Sebastian Silva
Cc: SLOBs; iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y 
administradores
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy 
to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo



On Jun 13, 2017 5:45 PM, "Sebastian Silva" 
> wrote:

Hi Samson,

I hope you will have a successful travel.

Thanks Sebastian.

As a member of Sugar Labs and one of the signataries of our Fiscal Sponsorship 
Agreement with the Software Freedom 
Conservancy I would 
appreciate if during your trip you would remember that we have a duty as a 
Conservancy Project to respect its "organizational mission and charitable goal 
to promote, improve, develop and defend
Free, Libre, and Open Source Software projects."

Keep in mind we agreed (section 2b) : "The Project Will Be Free Software. 
Conservancy and the Oversight Board agree that any
and all software and/or documentation distributed by the Project will be 
distributed solely as Free Software." (emphasis added).

It would be a sad thing (if not a breach of contract) if the community (as 
represented by you) would present itself as indifferent to these values.

Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit with 
this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote these 
entities while representing Sugar Labs.

Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you think i 
might breach the agreement?

Regards,

Sebastian

On 12/06/17 07:07, Samson Goddy wrote:
To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote. It is very 
disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to travel to lagos 
tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the motion.



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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar Labs] Verified Sugar Labs member's list

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Again


Rosamel Ramirez Méndez also did not receive the email either one. She 
definitely wants to remain a member. Perhaps you have the wrong email address 
for her.


I notice you are also missing all the folks from SugarLabs in Argentina and 
those in Chile as well.


Caryl


From: IAEP  on behalf of James Simmons 

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:51:16 AM
To: Ignacio Rodríguez
Cc: iaep; sugar labs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar Labs] Verified Sugar Labs member's list

Ignacio,

I did get a confirmation email this time, but it was sent to my work address:

jim.simm...@walgreens.com

and it would have been better to send it to my personal email:

nices...@gmail.com.

The email did not go into my Spam folder at work, so it is reasonable to assume 
that it had not been sent to my work email before this, as I definitely would 
have seen it there.

James Simmons

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
> wrote:
All verification emails have been re-sent.
Please check Spam folder :)

If we keep having problems maybe we should check postfix/mail logs as I 
suggested.

Thanks,
Ignacio.-

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Chris Leonard 
> wrote:
B

cjl

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
Hello all, Hola a todos,

I'm happy to share the current Sugar Lab's member's list. After first round of 
email verification was made,
we are a preliminary total of 98 members:

1   Aaron Borden
2   Adam Holt
3   Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera
4   Alexander Dupuy
5   Ana Cichero Mildwurf
6   Andreas Gros
7   Aneesh Dogra
8   Anish Mangal
9   Antonio Carlos
10  Asaf Paris Mandoki
11  Avni Khatri
12  Benjamin Berg
13  Benjamin Mako Hill
14  Bernie Innocenti
15  Bert Freudenberg
16  Bill Bogstad
17  Bob Stepno
18  Carla Gomez Monroy
19  Carol Lerche
20  Carol Ruth Silver
21  Chris Leonard
22  Christoph Derndorfer
23  Cristian Peñaranda Rojas
24  Daksh Shah
25  Dan Williams
26  Dan Winship
27  David Van Assche
28  David Wallace
29  Edward Cherlin
30  Eli Heuer
31  Frederick Grose
32  Gary Martin
33  George Hunt
34  Gerald Ardito
35  Greg DeKoenigsberg
36  Greg Smith
37  Guillaume Desmottes
38  Harriet Vidyasagar
39  Hernan Pachas
40  I. T. Daniher
41  Ian Bicking
42  Ibiam Chihurumnaya
43  Ifeanyi Mattew
44  Ignacio Rodríguez
45  Irma Couretot
46  James F. Carroll
47  Jean Piché
48  Jecel Assumpcao
49  Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez
50  Jim Gettys
51  John Watlington
52  Jose Antonio Rocha
53  Jose Miguel Garcia
54  Kaif Khan
55  Kevin Cole
56  Kim Rose
57  Laura Victoria Vargas
58  Lionel Laske
59  Luis Patricio Acevedo Jimenez
60  Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
61  Manusheel Gupta
62  Marc Maurer
63  Marco Pesenti Gritti
64  Martin Dengler
65  Michael Stone
66  Nathanael Lécaudé
67  Noah Kantrowitz
68  Pablo Baqués
69  Pablo Flores
70  Paulo Drummond
71  Phil Bordelon
72  Rabi Karmacharya
73  Rafael Cordano
74  Rafael Ortiz
75  Raul Hugo
76  Rita Freudenberg
77  S. Daniel Francis
78  Sam P.
79  Sameer Verma
80  Samuel (SJ) Klein
81  Sean DALY
82  Sebastian Silva
83  Sora Edwards
84  Stefan Unterhauser
85  Tabitha Roder
86  Tariq Badsha
87  Thomas C. Gilliard
88  Tim McNamara
89  Tim Moody
90  Tomeu Vizoso
91  Tony Anderson
92  Tony Forster
93  Torello Querci
94  Tymon Radzik
95  Wade Brainerd
96  Yamile Susana Galvis Rizo
97  Yannick Warnier
98  Yoshiki Ohshima


If your name is not on the list and it should be, please reply ASAP (keep copy 
to IAEP and membersATsugarlabs.org) and please specify if:

A- You are a new member and wish to be added, or

B- You didn't get the verification email that was sent on April 10, 2017, or

C- You did get the verification email that was sent on April 10, 2017 and you 
did click on the verification link provided.



Thank you everyone at Systems for the support and specially Ignacio for leading 
the implementation.

Blessings and regards,


Laura

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Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All,


I think some people are blissfully unaware of the rapid inflation that has been 
seen in Nigeria, especially over the past year. Please take a look at this 
graph from tradingcconomics.com to see that what Samson (and all of Nigeria) is 
experiencing is real:


https://tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/inflation-cpi  (click on the 5 year button 
for a better picture of what has been going on there.


If Samson can come up with the funds to get the visa... great! But it is really 
too bad the SLOB members cannot see how important this trip is, not only for 
Samson, but for Sugar Labs as well. We need to encourage young people to become 
active contributors/supporters if SL is to survive.


It is also very sad that Ibiam will probably not be able to go. Solo traveling 
for some of us may be fine, but for a young person (about 19-20 years old) such 
a trip/adventure will be very lonely alone. It would also be much safer if both 
of them could go.


Caryl

Nigeria Inflation Rate | 1996-2017 | Data | Chart 
...
tradingeconomics.com
Nigeria's consumer prices increased 17.26 percent year-on-year in March of 
2017, easing from a 17.78 percent rise in the previous month. The inflation 
rate slowed for ...






From: IAEP  on behalf of Samson Goddy 

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Adam Holt
Cc: iaep; SLOBs
Subject: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

Hello,

I think there are some misunderstanding around my last mail.

This is how i think we can move forward, forget about the €800 proposed. I am 
going to add my personal money to it since getting the proposed money is a 
problem for the community.

Adam could you second the motion for €600? That's if you are okay with it.

I am going to include my personal money to it and achieve the same goal. 
Because i know going to bordeaux will have a great impact for the community and 
for me.

So i am going to work with the scratch team, get to lagos finish my visa 
process then get reimbursed if i am successful with the visa process. The lost 
will be on me not the community.

This is the way i believe we can move forward and i am sorry if my comments is 
offensive.


Samson G

On May 31, 2017 4:58 PM, "Adam Holt" > 
wrote:
$900 for a visa alone is far too much -- whether or not this money all 
disappears -- if the French govt turns it down, they are making a big mistake, 
but it could happen.  Whether it's up-to-$900 of Sugar Labs money that would 
disappear, or up-to-$900 of Scratch money that would disappear?  (*)

Should the Sugar Labs Board consider allocating $500 maximum (with receipts) to 
Sugar Network and $500 maximum (with receipts) to Samson's visa effort both, 
each with their own risks/rewards -- so that investments in different 
continents occur (somewhat) more equitably?

I spent less than $500 over 3 WEEKS in West Africa, Lagos, etc (including a 
very similar visa escapade, working with a very similar embassy/consulate).  In 
my case I spent less than $200 TOTAL (including intercity buses, intracity 
buses, and the very similarly priced visa, mine cost more than Samson's 
estimated $127 visa fees) and indeed took many days to make this happen.

So we need to bring this to a conclusion in a more humble manner than throwing 
money around.  Or speculating on ungodly currency fluctuations/conversions til 
the end of time.  Myself I could not spend $500 in Lagos over a week if I 
tried, even if I get 1000 more emails from Samson explaining to the world that 
I'm an idiot.  Obviously Samson is coming from a very different upbringing.  So 
let's be respectful of that.  If he's willing to meet in the middle and be 
resourceful on his own end, then we can move forward~


(*) How do we get this in writing (who exactly is stuck with the bill if the 
French govt regrettably turns down Samson) so everyone can vote their 
conscience, truly understanding what's being proposed?



On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
I totally understand,

I don't  have friends or family in Lagos, the only person i made contact with, 
is someone i met in a conference at Port Harcourt. All my contacts, family 
members are all in the south-south region.

The person i made contact with stays in Ikeja the capital of lagos. Where i am 
going is 2 hours(if there are no traffic) away from the consulate(lekki). He 
has lot of family members staying with him. I can't force my way in.

Previously i proposed to stay in lagos for 3 days but it was recommended by the 
consulate that i can stay up to a week but not a must.

I don't know where in lagos you said you stayed or what year? Because all of 
these things were proposed based on how things are in 2017.

I am not using SL money to live large in lagos, i dont see how 15,000 per night 
is 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar Labs] Verified Sugar Labs member's list

[Caryl Bigenho]

HelloAgain

I notice several other people who should be on the list who aren't.

Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:

Hello all, Hola a todos,

I'm happy to share the current Sugar Lab's member's list. After first round of 
email verification was made,
we are a preliminary total of 98 members:

1   Aaron Borden
2   Adam Holt
3   Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera
4   Alexander Dupuy
5   Ana Cichero Mildwurf
6   Andreas Gros
7   Aneesh Dogra
8   Anish Mangal
9   Antonio Carlos
10  Asaf Paris Mandoki
11  Avni Khatri
12  Benjamin Berg
13  Benjamin Mako Hill
14  Bernie Innocenti
15  Bert Freudenberg
16  Bill Bogstad
17  Bob Stepno
18  Carla Gomez Monroy
19  Carol Lerche
20  Carol Ruth Silver
21  Chris Leonard
22  Christoph Derndorfer
23  Cristian Peñaranda Rojas
24  Daksh Shah
25  Dan Williams
26  Dan Winship
27  David Van Assche
28  David Wallace
29  Edward Cherlin
30  Eli Heuer
31  Frederick Grose
32  Gary Martin
33  George Hunt
34  Gerald Ardito
35  Greg DeKoenigsberg
36  Greg Smith
37  Guillaume Desmottes
38  Harriet Vidyasagar
39  Hernan Pachas
40  I. T. Daniher
41  Ian Bicking
42  Ibiam Chihurumnaya
43  Ifeanyi Mattew
44  Ignacio Rodríguez
45  Irma Couretot
46  James F. Carroll
47  Jean Piché
48  Jecel Assumpcao
49  Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez
50  Jim Gettys
51  John Watlington
52  Jose Antonio Rocha
53  Jose Miguel Garcia
54  Kaif Khan
55  Kevin Cole
56  Kim Rose
57  Laura Victoria Vargas
58  Lionel Laske
59  Luis Patricio Acevedo Jimenez
60  Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
61  Manusheel Gupta
62  Marc Maurer
63  Marco Pesenti Gritti
64  Martin Dengler
65  Michael Stone
66  Nathanael Lécaudé
67  Noah Kantrowitz
68  Pablo Baqués
69  Pablo Flores
70  Paulo Drummond
71  Phil Bordelon
72  Rabi Karmacharya
73  Rafael Cordano
74  Rafael Ortiz
75  Raul Hugo
76  Rita Freudenberg
77  S. Daniel Francis
78  Sam P.
79  Sameer Verma
80  Samuel (SJ) Klein
81  Sean DALY
82  Sebastian Silva
83  Sora Edwards
84  Stefan Unterhauser
85  Tabitha Roder
86  Tariq Badsha
87  Thomas C. Gilliard
88  Tim McNamara
89  Tim Moody
90  Tomeu Vizoso
91  Tony Anderson
92  Tony Forster
93  Torello Querci
94  Tymon Radzik
95  Wade Brainerd
96  Yamile Susana Galvis Rizo
97  Yannick Warnier
98  Yoshiki Ohshima


If your name is not on the list and it should be, please reply ASAP (keep copy 
to IAEP and membersATsugarlabs.org) and please 
specify if:

A- You are a new member and wish to be added, or

B- You didn't get the verification email that was sent on April 10, 2017, or

C- You did get the verification email that was sent on April 10, 2017 and you 
did click on the verification link provided.



Thank you everyone at Systems for the support and specially Ignacio for leading 
the implementation.

Blessings and regards,


Laura

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Caryl Bigenho]

This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a member of 
the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.

Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:

Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to attend the 
Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar. The detailed 
proposal is here [1].

Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related to 
traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson Goddy 
and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.

[1] 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing

regards.

-walter
--
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Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org

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Re: [IAEP] Back on Task... The 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Tony,


A mission statement needs to be very short and succinct. It should be short 
enough for you to write it on the back of a business card. The average "Joe" 
(or Mary, for that matter) doesn't have a clue (or care) who Jean Piaget, 
Seymour Papert, Cynthia Solomon, or Alan Kay are. It isn't the job of the 
mission statement to tell them. That is your job, should you decide it is 
needed.


As for listing all the iterations and forms of Sugar and the tools that support 
it, simply talking about a "collection of tools" does the job very nicely. If 
folks want to know more they can ask or look it up or you can tell them. But 
the mission statement doesn't have to list every flower in our beautiful garden!


Caryl[]


From: Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:31:24 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho; iaep; walter.ben...@gmail.com; Samson Goddy; Lionel Laske; 
Adam Holt; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Laura Vargas; sameer verma
Subject: Re: Back on Task... The 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

Compare:

"Sugar Labs is a volunteer-run project whose mission is to reach global 
learners and educators with a collection of tools that enable them to explore, 
discover, create, and reflect in their local language. Sugar Labs distributes 
these tools freely and encourages its users to appropriate them, taking 
ownership and responsibility for their learning." (proposed motion)


"Sugar is a learning platform based on the constructionist educational 
principles of Jean Piaget, Seymour Papert, Cynthia Solomon, and Alan Kay. Sugar 
Labs is responsible to develop, distribute, and support Sugar with the help of 
a global volunteer community of contributors. Sugar Labs provides Sugar in two 
forms: Sugar for personal computers and XOs and Sugarizer (Sugar Mobile) for 
mobile devices and the Web." Motion approved January 2017.

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Sugar Labs is not comfortable with its 
'learning platform' but prefers to offer a set of tools from which our users 
can pick and choose.

Sugar as a learning platform supports collaboration, provides a Journal, uses 
icons to minimize dependence on language skills  and provides a common human 
interface to make easier discovery of new capabilities.

XSCE has been working with Kids on Computers. KOC did not even consider Sugar 
but chose UberMix. If you don't need a platform but are happy with a collection 
of tools, UberMix meets the need. (http://www.ubermix.org/about.html and 
https://opensource.com/life/13/2/kramden-institute-ubermix-digital-divide).

Tony


On 04/29/2017 12:52 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

Hi...


A few things...


First... Walter made this motion and it was seconded by several board members. 
Therefore it should be voted on, up or down, before considering Laura's 
substitute motion. I see nothing wrong with this mission statement. It is clear 
and concise and describes exactly what Sugar Labs is all about.


Walter's motion:


Revise the Sugar Labs mission statement to "Sugar Labs is a volunteer-run 
project whose mission is to reach global learners and educators with a 
collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect 
in their local language. Sugar Labs distributes these tools freely and 
encourages its users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility 
for their learning."


Second... when you reply to an email, unless it is private SLOB business, 
please be sure you have included iaep in the addresses. Otherwise your messages 
look blank to everyone who isn't a SLOB member. It is called "sunshine."


Third... After the mission statement  is approved, or a substitute (but I hope 
it is this one), it will be time to consider long term goals for Sugar Labs. 
There should be only 4 or 5 at most. I have copies of 4 of the 5 that were 
proposed earlier. Walter may still have a copy of the 5th one. After the 
mission statement issue is settled, I'll send what I have out so you can all 
work on getting them just the way they should be.


Please understand, goals are NOT the same as objectives. They are much more 
general. Objectives are designed to help achieve the goals and have a definite 
form... who will do what by when, how will it be done and how will success be 
measured. Goals do NOT have these elements!


Proposals for future use of Sugar Labs funds should be directed to meet 
specific objectives and thus our goals and our mission. They are all 
interconnected.


Caryl


P.S. Shouldn't there be a SLOB meeting today? I didn't see a notice on the iaep 
list.

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[IAEP] Back on Task... The 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi...


A few things...


First... Walter made this motion and it was seconded by several board members. 
Therefore it should be voted on, up or down, before considering Laura's 
substitute motion. I see nothing wrong with this mission statement. It is clear 
and concise and describes exactly what Sugar Labs is all about.


Walter's motion:


Revise the Sugar Labs mission statement to "Sugar Labs is a volunteer-run 
project whose mission is to reach global learners and educators with a 
collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect 
in their local language. Sugar Labs distributes these tools freely and 
encourages its users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility 
for their learning."


Second... when you reply to an email, unless it is private SLOB business, 
please be sure you have included iaep in the addresses. Otherwise your messages 
look blank to everyone who isn't a SLOB member. It is called "sunshine."


Third... After the mission statement  is approved, or a substitute (but I hope 
it is this one), it will be time to consider long term goals for Sugar Labs. 
There should be only 4 or 5 at most. I have copies of 4 of the 5 that were 
proposed earlier. Walter may still have a copy of the 5th one. After the 
mission statement issue is settled, I'll send what I have out so you can all 
work on getting them just the way they should be.


Please understand, goals are NOT the same as objectives. They are much more 
general. Objectives are designed to help achieve the goals and have a definite 
form... who will do what by when, how will it be done and how will success be 
measured. Goals do NOT have these elements!


Proposals for future use of Sugar Labs funds should be directed to meet 
specific objectives and thus our goals and our mission. They are all 
interconnected.


Caryl


P.S. Shouldn't there be a SLOB meeting today? I didn't see a notice on the iaep 
list.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] motion for a new mission statement

[Caryl Bigenho]

Tony Anderson... here's another +1


Caryl


From: IAEP  on behalf of James Cameron 

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:04:21 PM
To: Tony Anderson
Cc: IAEP SugarLabs; sugar-devel; Dave Crossland
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] motion for a new mission statement

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 05:10:36PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> Hey, I think we are making progress! I appreciate your loyalty to
> your employer.
>
> Thanks for clarifying that when I installed Sugar (sucrose) on
> Ubuntu I was installing the Debian package.
>
> My problem with SOAS is this page;
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation. It
> starts out by requiring the user to install Fedora to set up the
> livecd tools.

(a) yes, it's not the best guidance,

(b) it's a Wiki, so you are also responsible for editing it.

> The pages for Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora are much improved. The
> Debian on RPi3 needs an update.

Oh, wow, thanks, I wasn't aware of Debian_on_rpi3; what a useless page
of links.  I've replaced it with a redirect to the current Raspbian
page.

But I'm not your Wiki editing slave, get working on it yourself.

> Visitors to the sugarlabs site would
> appreciate a succinct and current list of supported software (as you
> do at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases), the 'Supported Systems'
> page was last touched in 2012.

No, you've missed that it includes the Supported distributions page,
which is updated regularly.  MediaWiki software has shown you the 2012
change date of the outer page, not the inner page.

You also missed that it shows Ubuntu 17.04 and Sugar 0.110, both of
which are post-2012.

> I find dd to be a simple, no fuss, no muss way to make the usb
> stick.

dd is also a quick way to destroy data on a disk.

> However, the web page could point to gui tools.

If you mean the
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation page, yes.

Fedora SoaS Desktop links to documentation from Fedora;
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Burning_ISO_images_to_disc/
and does point to good tool choices, though it was last updated for
Fedora 20 and is dated 2013.

Sugar Labs Wiki documentation is more ad-hoc, a mix of old and new,
from mainly the perspective of Thomas and Frederick; and recommends a
different method to Fedora.  It was updated in late 2016.

> The real goal is to promote the idea that Sugar is available to
> non-technical visitors for them to install on their own computer.

I'm looking forward to Sugar being available to non-technical visitors
for them to install on their own computer ... but I haven't seen that
happen yet.

--
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [IAEP] Motion To Approve 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

[Caryl Bigenho]

Very nice, Walter! Let's just change the motion to reflect your version. 
Therefore, I propose that the following motion be considered at the April SLOB 
meeting:

_

The 2017 Mission Statement for Sugar Labs shall be as follows:

Sugar Labs is a volunteer-run project whose mission is to reach global learners 
and educators with a collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, 
create, and reflect. Sugar Labs distributes these tools freely and encourages 
its users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility for their 
learning.
_


Caryl


From: Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 10:17:33 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: Samson Goddy; sameer verma; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Lionel Laské; Adam Holt; 
Laura Vargas; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; José Miguel García
Subject: Re: Motion To Approve 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

A bit more succinct:

Sugar Labs is a volunteer-run project whose mission is to reach global learners 
and educators with a collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, 
create, and reflect. Sugar Labs distributes these tools freely and encourages 
its users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility for their 
learning.

-walter

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
<cbige...@hotmail.com<mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello All,


This is long, but it needs to be done…


It’s time to “fish or cut bait” as they say. We need to move on with the 
Mission Statement and Goals for Sugar Labs. I am submitting a Mission Statement 
as a motion to be considered for approval at the April SLOB meeting. Then, with 
that in hand, we can move on to settle on 4-5 broad reaching goals to go with 
the Mission Statement to be voted on in May or June.  Specific objectives would 
come after that.


Most of the things people have put on the wiki are neither a mission statement 
nor are they goals. They are Objectives. But most of them lack the specifics to 
be considered a true objective.


So… what do we need in a Mission Statement?


First let’s take a peek at the current one… yes we do have one and I found it 
sitting right at the beginning of the Sugar Labs website 
(https://www.sugarlabs.org/)


At Sugar Labs, we make a collection of tools that learners use to explore, 
discover, create, and reflect. We are non-profit and led by volunteers. We 
distribute these tools freely and encourage our users to appropriate them, 
taking ownership and responsibility for their learning.


Not bad for starters! Now let’s take a look at that Wikipedia says about 
Mission Statements:


Definition:

A mission statement is a short statement of an organization's purpose, 
identifying the scope of its operations: what kind of product or service it 
provides, its primary customers or market, and its geographical region of 
operation. ... The purpose of a mission statement is to focus and direct the 
organization itself.


Here is the Mission Statement I posted last month, based on an excellent 
document Walter had written about Sugar Labs:


Sugar Labs Mission Statement:

The mission of Sugar Labs is to reach global learners (and educators) with 
powerful free and open source educational tools to help them in engage 
Constructionist learning.


So, with a minimum of editing, we can combine the two to get this:


Sugar Labs Mission Statement:

The mission of Sugar Labs is to reach global learners and educators with a 
collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect. 
We are a non-profit and led by volunteers. We distribute these tools freely and 
encourage our users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility 
for their learning.


O.K. Let's see if that meets the criteria in the definition of a Mission 
Statement as stated above.

  *   purpose... check! The whole statement
  *   scope of operations... check! Global
  *   kind of product or service or service... check! Learning tools 
distributed freely
  *   primary customers or market... check! Learners and educators
  *   geographical region... check! Global


Therefore, I propose that the following motion be considered at the April SLOB 
meeting:

_


The 2017 Mission Statement for Sugar Labs shall be as follows:


The mission of Sugar Labs is to reach global learners and educators with a 
collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect. 
We are a non-profit and led by volunteers. We distribute these tools freely and 
encourage our users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility 

[IAEP] Motion To Approve 2017 Sugar Labs Mission Statement

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hello All,


This is long, but it needs to be done…


It’s time to “fish or cut bait” as they say. We need to move on with the 
Mission Statement and Goals for Sugar Labs. I am submitting a Mission Statement 
as a motion to be considered for approval at the April SLOB meeting. Then, with 
that in hand, we can move on to settle on 4-5 broad reaching goals to go with 
the Mission Statement to be voted on in May or June.  Specific objectives would 
come after that.


Most of the things people have put on the wiki are neither a mission statement 
nor are they goals. They are Objectives. But most of them lack the specifics to 
be considered a true objective.


So… what do we need in a Mission Statement?


First let’s take a peek at the current one… yes we do have one and I found it 
sitting right at the beginning of the Sugar Labs website 
(https://www.sugarlabs.org/)


At Sugar Labs, we make a collection of tools that learners use to explore, 
discover, create, and reflect. We are non-profit and led by volunteers. We 
distribute these tools freely and encourage our users to appropriate them, 
taking ownership and responsibility for their learning.


Not bad for starters! Now let’s take a look at that Wikipedia says about 
Mission Statements:


Definition:

A mission statement is a short statement of an organization's purpose, 
identifying the scope of its operations: what kind of product or service it 
provides, its primary customers or market, and its geographical region of 
operation. ... The purpose of a mission statement is to focus and direct the 
organization itself.


Here is the Mission Statement I posted last month, based on an excellent 
document Walter had written about Sugar Labs:


Sugar Labs Mission Statement:

The mission of Sugar Labs is to reach global learners (and educators) with 
powerful free and open source educational tools to help them in engage 
Constructionist learning.


So, with a minimum of editing, we can combine the two to get this:


Sugar Labs Mission Statement:

The mission of Sugar Labs is to reach global learners and educators with a 
collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect. 
We are a non-profit and led by volunteers. We distribute these tools freely and 
encourage our users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility 
for their learning.


O.K. Let's see if that meets the criteria in the definition of a Mission 
Statement as stated above.

  *   purpose... check! The whole statement
  *   scope of operations... check! Global
  *   kind of product or service or service... check! Learning tools 
distributed freely
  *   primary customers or market... check! Learners and educators
  *   geographical region... check! Global


Therefore, I propose that the following motion be considered at the April SLOB 
meeting:

_


The 2017 Mission Statement for Sugar Labs shall be as follows:


The mission of Sugar Labs is to reach global learners and educators with a 
collection of tools that enable them to explore, discover, create, and reflect. 
We are a non-profit and led by volunteers. We distribute these tools freely and 
encourage our users to appropriate them, taking ownership and responsibility 
for their learning.

_



Now, some sample mission statements from a few well known organizations and 
businesses. You will note that some of the biggest and most successful have 
very simple, concise mission statements:


* “Google's mission statement is “to organize the world's information and make 
it universally accessible and useful.”


* “The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission 
to promote computer user freedom. We defend the rights of all software users.”


* “Oxfam is a global movement of people working together to end the injustice 
of poverty. ... Our mission: To create lasting solutions to poverty, hunger, 
and social injustice.”


* “Mission statement. The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and 
engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under 
a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and 
globally.”


* “SIERRA CLUB MISSION STATEMENT: To explore, enjoy and protect the planet. To 
practice and promote the responsible use of the earth's ecosystems and 
resources; to educate and enlist humanity to protect and restore the quality of 
the natural and human environment; and to use all lawful means to carry out 
those objectives.”


* “We are Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF). We help 
people worldwide where the need is greatest, delivering emergency medical aid 
to people affected by conflict, epidemics, disasters, or exclusion from health 
care.”


* Facebook’s Mission Statement

Facebook’s mission statement is “to 

[IAEP] Doc for Making Mission Statement and Stated Goals

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All….


I was hoping someone else would step in and create this document, but since 
there were to takers, I have done it!  Here is what should happen next…


Before going on to the Stated Goals, the Mission Statement should be revised 
and refined to reflect exactly what Sugar Labs members (not just Board Members) 
want Sugar Labs to be and represent. All members should feel free to work on 
this.


At the same time, be thinking about the Stated Goals. At this point they are 
just an example of what they could be. But, they should not be made and 
finalized until the Mission Statement is agreed upon.


No “Objectives” or activities are listed yet. They come after the goals which, 
in turn, come after the Mission Statement.


So…. Please… play with the Mission Statement. Share your ideas. Once you think 
it is fine, say so!


Here is the link to the document. Anyone with the link can both edit and 
comment. Feel free to do both as you see fit.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fvR8Qr3CVI_n8ccho0dEW81hvAhgoWmJJl6ACgDvBNY/edit?usp=sharing



Have fun,

Caryl


P.S. This in no way devalues the work many of you did last year making the very 
extensive list of objectives or activities you put in the wiki. After the 
Stated Goals are agreed upon, it will be time to fit them into the structure. 
You will probably find that many can be combined and that, perhaps, some will 
not meet any of our agreed upon goals and should not be included.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...


The badges are a bad idea!  There is absolutely no guarantee that badge holders 
would make any contributions to warrant the amounts they would be collecting 
just for being some kind of "hero" in the past. SugarLabs funds should be 
reserved for specific projects and products. If these special folks on the 
"anointed" list have specific projects they would like to be funded to do... 
great! Let them present proposals ... carefully thought out and carefully 
crafted proposals, to the SLOB for possible approval.


There is also an obvious, huge, conflict of interest in having so many of the 
proposed badge recipients voting on the issue. Doing something like this will 
take away all credibility of SugarLabs as an NGO or even as a viable 
organization that relies heavily on volunteer contributions to their efforts.


Caryl


From: IAEP  on behalf of Laura Vargas 

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:06:12 PM
To: Dave Crossland
Cc: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; ibiamchihurumn...@sugarlabs.org; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

Hi all! Hola a todos!


For tomorrow's Sugar Labs Oversight Board meeting, the Open Badges pilot 
proposal will remain "on hold" since we don't have yet a clear implementation 
plan.

Please read the current status of the proposal [1] and consider adding your 
opinion to the discussion page.

Regards,

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Badges

--
Laura V.
I SomosAZUCAR.Org

“No paradox, no progress.”
~ Niels Bohr

Happy Learning!

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Re: [IAEP] Resubmission of Proposed Project for Sugarizer1°

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Laura,


Yes, I definitely do have some questions for the teacher piloting SugarizerOS 
in Peru. Here are a few for starters:


1) What hardware is he using?


2) Are the children using SugarizerOS and on what hardware?


3) What other hardware has he tried it on?


4) What (if any) issues has he encountered in installing SugarizerOS?


5) What (if any) issues has he encountered while using SugarizerOS?


6) Which Activities is he using with the students?


7) Is he using any Activities that are not a part of the original Sugar (that 
is native on the XO)?


8) How is he using the Activities:

  *   a) Introduction of a subject?
  *   b) Exploring a subject?
  *   c) Drill and practice (e.g. the Memorize game)
  *   d) Creative learning… if so, which Activities
  *   e) Teaching concepts (e.g. clock)
  *   f) As a tool in other subjects (e.g. Calculator, Stopwatch, Record)
  *   g) Play (eg Maze)


9) What Sugar Activities that are in the original Sugar but not in the 
SugarizerOS would he like to see added?


10) What Activities in SugarizerOS does he feel are the most useful?


11) Are there any Activities in SugarizerOS that he would like to see left out?


That is just for starters! But, the answers will be both interesting and 
useful. I look forward to seeing what he says.


Thanks!

Caryl


P.S. If he wants to answer in Spanish that is OK for me. I can provide a 
translation for others (into English... sorry I don't know much French).



From: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:45:13 PM
To: Lionel Laske; Caryl Bigenho
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: Resubmission of Proposed Project for Sugarizer1°

Hi Caryl, Lionel and all other team members!

I'm happy to report that the SomosAzucar team is getting reports of first local 
testers in Perú for the resent release Lionel's team made of the SugarizerOS. 
The user case is from a primary teacher with experience in training other 
teachers to the use of Sugar in an innovation classroom.

He has seen the tool as a possible shortcut to train teachers so that they can 
practice at home with their devices.


I will follow up. Please let me know if you have any specific information 
request.

Wishing only illumination for all of us :D


Regards and blessings
Laura  V

#Feliz8M #Happy8M


2017-03-03 12:25 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas 
<la...@somosazucar.org<mailto:la...@somosazucar.org>>:
Hi Caryl,

As long as it possible for me, I could help with local testers coordination 
and/or Spanish to English translations.

As stated on the WIT website states in the home page "When one woman helps 
another, amazing things can happen."

Regards and blessings!

Laura Victoria


2017-03-03 7:45 GMT-05:00 Lionel Laské 
<lionel.la...@gmail.com<mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com>>:

Hi Caryl,

Very nice.
I'm fully encourage your proposal.
Sugarizer is not my tool, or the tool of OLPC France. Everyone should be able 
to appropriate Sugarizer itself and transform/adapt it for its needs.
That's the way Open Source Software works and Sugarizer definitively lack of 
tester feedbacks. So welcome Sugarizer 1° !
I will support it technically as far as I could.

Regards.

      Lionel.


2017-03-02 23:11 GMT+01:00 Caryl Bigenho 
<cbige...@hotmail.com<mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com>>:

Hi All...


This proposal can be improved a lot. However, I am re-submitting it  mainly as 
an example of the kinds of things I feel SugarLabs should be supporting with 
their precious funds. I originally submitted it last summer.


Because of the SoCalifLinuxExpo and a house full of people, I don't have the 
opportunity to make revisions at this moment. Things I can see it needs are a 
definite timeline, a clearly thought out budget, and names of some of the 
people who would be involved. I would love to have additional suggestions for 
things to add and volunteers to assist in getting it into better shape by the 
next SLOB meeting.


At this point, I do not expect approval, but rather encouragement to expand and 
refine this early proposal, along with suggestions in time for the next SLOB 
meeting.


I invite others (Samson???) to also submit rough drafts of proposals as samples 
of the kinds of things SugarLabs could be doing.


The SLOB meeting tomorrow is at 11 AM PST. The Expo Hall at SCaLE15X opens at 
10 AM. Because of that it will be difficult for me, Adam, and other SL members 
to give our full attention to the meeting. We will do the best we can under the 
circumstances.


Caryl





--
Laura V.
I SomosAZUCAR.Org

“No paradox, no progress.”
~ Niels Bohr

Happy Learning!




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I SomosAZUCAR.Org

“No paradox, no progress.”
~ Niels Bohr

Happy Learning!

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Re: [IAEP] Resubmission of Proposed Project for Sugarizer1°

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi 


Before we do any collaborative grant writing it would be a good idea if 
everyone involved has some background in grant writing! Over my years as an 
educator I had a large number of successful grant proposals, large and small, 
totaling over $500,000 (in 1990 dollars). But I am a bit rusty and will admit 
that I could use a refresher and some updating on successful proposal writing. 
This would also be a useful exercise for those of you who haven't written any 
successful grants recently or ever!


I propose we, as a group, take on the task of educating ourselves on the ins 
and outs of modern proposal writing. There are a variety of ways to do this. 
Here's a "quick and dirty" little guide for NOOBs: 
http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Grant-Proposal

We might want to try using this guide (a simple two page proposal format) for 
starters for proposals to SLOB.

[http://pad1.whstatic.com/images/thumb/6/6f/Write-a-Grant-Proposal-Step-1-Version-3.jpg/aid37224-728px-Write-a-Grant-Proposal-Step-1-Version-3.jpg]<http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Grant-Proposal>

How to Write a Grant Proposal (with Examples) - 
wikiHow<http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Grant-Proposal>
www.wikihow.com
How to Write a Grant Proposal. True grants can be very difficult to find and 
harder still to get. It may not be easy to find the right grant, but when you 
do ...

Here is a more in depth look at longer, more elaborate proposals, usually for 
larger amounts and longer timelines: 
https://www.arc.gov/funding/HowtoWriteaGrantProposal.asp

There are also some free online educational resources with webinars and some 
local live classes: 
http://grantspace.org/training/courses/introduction-to-proposal-writing

I intend to work with some of these resources in revising my proposal for 
Sugarizer Primero. When I have tweaked it, I may put it out there for others to 
make suggestions. I think, however, that each person's proposal is like one of 
their children. They don't want other people insulting it and changing it 
beyond their intentions. Well thought out suggestions should be welcomed but 
group writing and editing can ruin the whole project. There needs to be one, 
and only one, person in charge of writing any one proposal. If they choose to 
work with a team, they are still in charge.

I look forward to seeing some of the proposals you folks come up with!

Caryl

<https://www.arc.gov/funding/HowtoWriteaGrantProposal.asp>




From: d.crossl...@gmail.com <d.crossl...@gmail.com> on behalf of Dave Crossland 
<d...@lab6.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 2:41:45 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho
Cc: walter.ben...@gmail.com; Lionel Laske; Adam Holt; Laura Vargas; Samson 
Goddy; sameer verma; igna...@sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Resubmission of Proposed Project for Sugarizer1°

I encourage you to add this to the wiki so it can be revised collaboratively
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[IAEP] Resubmission of Proposed Project for Sugarizer1°

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...


This proposal can be improved a lot. However, I am re-submitting it  mainly as 
an example of the kinds of things I feel SugarLabs should be supporting with 
their precious funds. I originally submitted it last summer.


Because of the SoCalifLinuxExpo and a house full of people, I don't have the 
opportunity to make revisions at this moment. Things I can see it needs are a 
definite timeline, a clearly thought out budget, and names of some of the 
people who would be involved. I would love to have additional suggestions for 
things to add and volunteers to assist in getting it into better shape by the 
next SLOB meeting.


At this point, I do not expect approval, but rather encouragement to expand and 
refine this early proposal, along with suggestions in time for the next SLOB 
meeting.


I invite others (Samson???) to also submit rough drafts of proposals as samples 
of the kinds of things SugarLabs could be doing.


The SLOB meeting tomorrow is at 11 AM PST. The Expo Hall at SCaLE15X opens at 
10 AM. Because of that it will be difficult for me, Adam, and other SL members 
to give our full attention to the meeting. We will do the best we can under the 
circumstances.


Caryl

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi...


This thread is so tangled it is hard to tell who says what. But, it is very 
evident that there are 2 basic viewpoints. Here they are with my comments on 
each:


1) Reward a few of the many past contributors to SugarLabs handsomely with a 
stipend (like a retirement check?) and no defined further responsibilities, 
leaving out many, many other contributors who have given as much or more and 
may also be in need of financial support. This would eat up most of the year's 
budget.


2) Plan, plan, plan! As the saying goes, "If you fail to plan, you plan to 
fail!" We need to this first before planning any large expenses. A vision 
statement, goals in line with our vision, and measurable objectives to achieve 
those goals, so that when we look for further funding we can say, "This is what 
we did and these were the results." (Badges will definitely not do this and may 
actually scare away future funders).


When we have these objectives in hand, we can fund specific projects with 
specific measurable results including follow-ups over time to see if the 
results will be lasting. For each project we should be able to answer questions 
like: How does this project help us meet our goals? What lasting effects do we 
expect? How can we build on what we have learned from the successes and 
failures in this project?


We need to get back on track on this.  Without the vision, goals, and 
objectives in mind, it is impossible to tell if we are on the "right track."


"Badges" will do nothing to further the greater good for SugarLabs!


Caryl





From: IAEP  on behalf of Laura Vargas 

Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 5:58:12 AM
To: Tony Anderson
Cc: sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget



2017-03-02 3:32 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson 
>:
On 03/02/2017 02:51 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:
As for the 2017 Budget, Sugar Labs needs doable specific proposals for funding 
and investing as a healthy financial planning should consider a minimum of 5 
years ahead.

The real need is not for financial planning, but for planning. A real five-year 
plan would be the result of serious thinking by members of the community about 
what Sugar Labs needs to do so that Sugar can survive. The essential piece of 
that is that Sugar must be available as widely as possible. Thankfully, Lionel 
Laske has taken on creating a Sugar for mobile devices (and the cloud).


How soon and how much detail we get to the Open Badges implementation will 
certainly translate all our gratitude into specific resources for active 
contributors to continue doing what they like. No offense but no point and no 
need to justify to be stingy, specially when you want to attract and retain 
talented active contributors to a diverse development and educational ecosystem.

I believe the Open Badges model deserves at least a pilot to test results and 
evaluate from there.

Regards


--
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“No paradox, no progress.”
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All,


OK, it's time to get real. The problem with all of this talk is that most (but 
not all) of you haven't a clue how teachers and schools operate! Unless 
SugarLabs' products are targeted to perceived needs of teachers, parents, 
school boards, school owners, after school tutoring services, etc., etc., etc. 
They will never achieve wide distribution and use. Here are some things that 
MUST be done (and so far haven't been done on a meaningful scale).


* Stakeholders are polled to find out what the needs of their students are.

* Products are tailored to specifically meet those needs.

* Documentation is produced with easy to understand instructions for installing 
and using the product.

* Sample lessons and lesson plans are prepared by teachers who have experience 
using the product.

* Everything is translated into the languages of the target markets.

* Follow-up is done with new users to determine if any changes and improvements 
are needed.

* Needed changes are made and the users are provided an easy way to update.


Free is good, but teachers and schools don't want to waste their time on 
something that doesn't meet their needs even if it is free. This requires that 
all of these things I list above be done, and maybe more that some of you will 
think of. This applies to all of SugarLabs products, Sugar, Sugarizer, 
TurtleBlocks, MusicBlocks, Servers, and anything new that may be created to add 
to the mix.


All of this costs money, which SL will not have if we spend it on a bunch of 
Badges given out mostly to SLOB members. Badges are not the way to go! They 
guarantee nothing! Projects fulfilling the criteria listed above with specific 
duties and specific remuneration are what we need.


So, write a good proposal for a project that meets a specific, proveble, need. 
Submit it. Get it funded. Work on it. Budget to pay yourself a reasonable 
amount to make it happen.  If you folks need and want SL funds, that should be 
what you do to get them. Not just drawing a dole for being you.


Sorry for the rant! But these are things that needed to be said and at my age, 
I guess I have to be the one to do it!


Caryl (aka GrannieB)



P.S. It really breaks my heart that we missed the opportunity to try for the 
Global Learning XPrize.





From: IAEP  on behalf of Dave Crossland 

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 10:46:41 AM
To: Walter Bender
Cc: Adam Holt; Lionel Laské; Tony Anderson; SLOBs; Sam P.; Samson Goddy; Martin 
Abente Lahaye; iaep
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget



On Feb 25, 2017 6:27 PM, "Walter Bender" 
> wrote:


On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Sam Parkinson 
> wrote:
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 08:36 +0530, Dave Crossland wrote:
> Actually I am not convinced of this; I do not believe that the latest
> releases of the Python codebase reach classrooms, and the js codebase
> only reaches one.
>
> One of the projects listed is social help. It's a fine idea, but a
> cursory look at the site shows it has extremely low activity. I think
> it would be better to shut it down.

Sugar tries to literally replace every part of the computer that a user
sees.  And believe it or not; that is a hard goal for a small free
software community.  3 people in their spare time can't replace the
years of work poured into every other desktop environment & their
software.

You're 100% spot on.  The future of SL is things like TurtleJS.

I am obviously a fan of Turtle (and Music Blocks), but I am convinced that, for 
example, Sugar on Raspberry PI has a big future. It is a very experience, 
relatively easy to set up, and a good fit for the maker space. We should push 
hard to really make the process smooth and robust.

Sugar or sugarizer? 

How many classrooms do we know of using the latest sugar release on pi 
hardware? 藍
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hello Again


The "Badge" proposal is a totally inappropriate use of SL funds and could 
result in litigation and the possible end of SugarLabs.


I suggest a call for project proposals be done before raiding the "cookie jar" 
and leaving SL destitute and powerless with nothing left in the coffers (in a 
short 2 years). Samson has submitted a few proposals in the past and I 
submitted one for Sugarizer Primero last summer. These are the sort of things 
that the cash reserves should be used for. Paying a select few a large monthly 
stipend because "they need it" is a totally improper use of SL funds and could 
end up in court.


Instead, why don't some of these people propose projects that fall within the 
stated purpose of SugarLabs? The SLOB can vote on them according to their 
merits and approve or not.


Caryl


P.S. I did not put any funding for myself in my project proposal. The money 
needed would go to educators in Uruguay, programmers in France and wherever 
else Lionel finds them, documentation writers and translators from many 
countries and educators in many countries to test the product in any country, 
and a PR person to get the word out by sending reps to places where they can 
show the merits of Sugarizer (Primero) to educators and other stakeholders 
around the world. I would oversee the whole thing for free (except possibly 
some occasional travel expenses and entrance or visa fees).


P.P.S. I know Samson could have a good proposal ... or perhaps he could oversee 
the translation teams for mine. Walter probably has some in mind as well. Let's 
get the vision, goals and objectives in hand before progressing any further.



From: IAEP  on behalf of Laura Vargas 

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:50 AM
To: Dave Crossland
Cc: Adam Holt; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep; Samson Goddy; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget



2017-02-24 5:33 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland >:
On 24 February 2017 at 12:44, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
> Also, if you have a strong opposition to the model or to any of the listed
> badges or badge holders, please share the reasons openly.

Where is the $42k coming from?

Hi Dave!

As Samuel has confirm, he is not in need of funds to continue contributing to 
the project so I am formulating the model with only six Badges with stipend for 
a total of US$ 36k.

There are more than US$80k in the General funds account that could support this 
initiative.

Regards,
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...


Before we invest any $$$ on personnel, that will eat up all the funds SugarLabs 
has in just a couple of years, we need to have a product or products that are 
ready for worldwide distribution and use. Otherwise SugarLabs will end up an 
empty shell... a "has been"...


To do this, we need proposals for projects to develop hardware and software 
products such as the one I suggested, last summer, for a Sugarizer1° (Sugarizer 
Primero).


Each of these products would have a targeted audience (in my proposal's case... 
Grades K-2), be carefully designed for that audience (in my project's case I 
proposed curation by a group of teachers with extensive experience using Sugar 
in their classrooms in Uruguay under the direction by someone like Rosamel 
Ramirez). My project would also need the preparation of the Sugarizer1° version 
by Lionel and some of his programmers, documentation for the product's use 
prepared by users and tested by non-users, and translation of the documentation 
into a large number of languages.


A project like this would need funds... stipends would be needed for Lionel and 
his crew, Rosamel and all the teachers involved, documentation writers, 
testers, and translators. Then a marketing team would be needed to show the 
product at various educator's conferences, at schools of education in 
universities, and the like.


Many other projects could be done in a similar fashion. All would need funds. 
Walter probably has some ideas for things he would like to do. Adam and Samson 
may also. In fact, many SugarLabs members may have ideas that should be looked 
at. These things cannot happen if the funds are frittered away on monthly 
stipends for a select few with no specific goals for producing any targeted 
products or projects.


But, before any of this can happen...  we need to refocus on defining the 
mission and vision of SugarLabs. Perhaps Sameer can get us back on track with 
that, as it seems to have been lost somewhere along the way.


OK... so now that I've opened this can of worms... it's time to go fishing... 
for goals... objectives... vision... ideas... inspiration... all things money 
can't buy, but dedication and devotion can. Let's do it!


Caryl (aka GrannieB)


From: IAEP  on behalf of Dave Crossland 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:28:16 PM
To: Laura Vargas
Cc: Adam Holt; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

Hi

Where can I read more about the sugar open badges? :)

On Feb 23, 2017 9:57 PM, "Laura Vargas" 
> wrote:
Hello all! Hola a todos!

2016 Fiscal year is soon coming to its end (March 1st 2016 until February 28th 
2017).

Subject to final reports from Adam, we must consider and project our expenses 
of the 2017 fiscal year. I would like to help in a first draft.


From the systems, marketing and funding threads, it has become clear Sugar Labs 
Project basically requires:


[1] To sponsor any motivated, active individuals in need to continue doing the 
best they can to support our mission.

- For this end I'm leading the initiative of Open Badges (12 Badges in total, 6 
with a US$ 500 monthly stipend) totaling US$36,000.
- Also for this end, Walter is leading the Outreachy internship initiative with 
a budget of US$ 5,500.

[2] To make sure our servers are safe and our systems are distributed.

- For this end systems have required to budget and acquire a UPS for our 
servers at MIT. On January Samuel quoted 3 options budget range of US$200 - 
US$1.000.
- Please can anyone confirm if we require to maintain and budget for additional 
infrastructure?

[3] To maintain domains and trademarks.

- As far as I understand only sugarlabs.org and 
sugarlabs.net will need to be renewed this year at a 
estimated cost of less than US$100.
- Last year we spent $700 on trademark registration, I'm not sure if this is a 
yearly fee, please can anyone confirm? I will assume it is.


This give us a preliminary Total of Estimated Expenses for 2017 of US$43,300


This is what I'm aware of, as the community still needs to define its Marketing 
objectives and strategies and therefore it may be too soon to estimate a Budget 
on that.

Please share any other initiatives or commitments that will require funds for 
the 2017 fiscal year so we can get to work on a first draft!


Regards and blessings,



--
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[IAEP] Need photos!

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks...


We will be having a booth at SCaLE next month featuring OLPC spin-offs like 
Sugarizer, IIAB, and UnleashKids. If you are involved in any kind of deployment 
or other project, please send an update and, especially, photos.


The photos you send can be made into a constantly running dvd with text instead 
of narration (the exhibit hall can get pretty noisy). But, time is of the 
essence! SCaLE happens the first weekend of March. So, send your best project 
photos with short descriptions of each and they can be included.


Thanks!

Caryl Bigenho


P.S. Pass this on to anyone who might miss it who would have something to 
contribute.
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Re: [IAEP] pixel

[Caryl Bigenho]

+1 for Tony's comment!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg 
> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson 
> wrote:
This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do:

https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc

Tony

Isn't that exactly what SoaS does?

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation

- Bert -


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[IAEP] Kindle for $40

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi...


For those of you wanting to do classroom deployments of Sugar, the 7" Kindle 
Fire Tablets are on sale again for $39.99. They now come in 4 colors... Black, 
Magenta, Blue, and Tangerine.  Sugarizer works well on them. These do include 
ads on the sleep screen but they do not interrupt once you unlock.


Caryl


P.S. You can put the Google Play store on it and get both ScratchJr and PBS 
Kids ScratchJr for free.
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[IAEP] Call For SCaLE 15X Booth Volunteers!

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks...


We will be having a booth at SCaLE again this year. The event will be at the 
Pasadena Convention Center and the dates and times the exhibit hall will be 
open are Friday March 3 from 2 pm to 6 pm, Saturday March 4 from 10 am to 6 pm, 
and Sunday March 5 from 10 am to 2 pm. The times we most need volunteers to 
help with the booth are all day Saturday and on Sunday morning. You won't have 
to work "all day!"  There will be plenty of time for you to attend some of the 
sessions that interest you most.


We are expecting some of the folks from Unleash Kids and IIAB to be both 
helping with the booth and talking about their own projects. We also plan to 
feature Sugarizer and help folks get it on their devices. If you have another 
olpc/Sugar related project you would like to show, let us know and we will make 
room!


There will be a new and exciting OSSIE track this year on Sunday. We had so 
many interesting talks proposed that we decided to divide the four one hour 
time slots up into smaller times to accommodate a wide variety of talks. Here 
is a link to a Doc that will show you all the exciting things we have planned:


http://bit.ly/2ktcPnS


In addition, the SCaLE team has planned some very exciting activities in 
addition to the talks and exhibit hall. You can see more of what is happening 
at the SCaLE website:


https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/15x


As always, booth volunteers will receive a full conference pass good for all 
talks and events. Friends and family will also be able to enjoy a 50% discount 
off their registration if you are volunteering.


Please let me know right away if you are interested. Just send an email and 
I'll mail you instructions for how to get your free SCaLE15X pass.


Caryl Bigenho

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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.8 is available for your device

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi... it works beautifully on my iPhone.


However, on Ed's older Samsung smartphone running JellyBean, a lot of the 
Activities don't work. The app itself does not appear on the phone but when I 
go to the PlayStore, I can open it from there.


I have two more devices to try it on still. Maybe there should be different 
versions for different hardware/software combos? Each only having the Actiities 
that will work? Or maybe a "read me" for users that tells them not to expect 
some of the Activities to work on certain devices?


I'll check back later when I have tested more devices and Activities.


Caryl


From: IAEP  on behalf of Samson Goddy 

Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 10:24:33 AM
To: Steve Thomas
Cc: iaep; OLPC Devel; Sugar-dev Devel; unleashk...@googlegroups.com; Lionel 
Laské
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.8 is 
available for your device

Hello Tony.. I couldn't get the sugarizer OS beta.. to run on my Samsung Galaxy 
S7 edge.. running Android 6.0.1. It's keep showing Apk not installed.

Samson

On 6 Jan 2017 23:21, "Steve Thomas" 
> wrote:
Okay, I tried restarting Chrome a second time and now Etoys opens on Mac. But 
had an issue saving. I'll investigate further.

Hoping to get Etoys (et al) working on Chromebook's so I can get teachers in my 
kids school to start using it.

Cheers,
Stephen

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Steve Thomas 
> wrote:
Lionel,

This is great work, thank you.

Ran into a few issues trying to run Etoys (Turtle Blocks seems to run just 
fine), :

  1.  Added Chrome extension but Etoys did not run, just got black screen.
 *   Tried on Mac and Windows using latest Chrome, waited about 5 minutes+
  2.  Also downloaded from iTunes onto my Mac and had same issue

Thanks,
Stephen

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
Thanks all.

@Walter, PR is the best way.
More precisely: clone Sugarizer, replace Turtle Blocks code by the new one, if 
possible test on all browsers (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, EDGE) to ensure 
portability on all devices, then PR.

 Lionel.


2017-01-06 14:22 GMT+01:00 Walter Bender 
>:
Lionel,

Congrats.

Quick question: What is the procedure for an app developer to get a new version 
into your distro? Turtle Blocks has made many advances since the version you 
package.

regards.

-walter

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:



Hi all,



I'm proud to announce the eighth version (0.8) of Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar 
for any device.



http://sugarizer.org



Main features in this new version:

  *   Speak activity: The famous Sugar Speak activity: anything you type will 
be spoken aloud using the speech synthesizer.
  *   Moon activity: Another famous Sugar activity. A Moon phase viewer, 
includes Lunar phase information and eclipse data.
  *   Video Viewer activity: A generic video viewer, explore a predefined 
libraries (Khan Academy, Canopé) or import your own library and share it with 
others in the Journal.
  *   Shared Notes activity: A shared board where you could stick Post-It notes 
and share it in real time with others using presence.
  *   Updated Etoys activity: Latest version of Etoys is now included in the 
Sugarizer package.
  *   Windows 10:  Sugarizer is now available in the Windows Store [1]. So if 
you've got a PC on Windows, Sugarizer is one click long from you.
  *   Performance improvement: script optimization and lazy loading of data had 
dramatically improve performance in all activities.
  *   Better touch support: a new scrollable home view and a better handling of 
long touch on touch screens of any size.
  *   Application size reduction: Sugarizer application size is now under 50Mb.
  *   Portuguese localization: a new language support for our friends from 
Portugal and Brazil,
  *   SugarLabs inside: Sugarizer source code is now in SugarLabs repository 
[8].



New in Sugarizer 0.8 for Android is "Sugarizer OS". Sugarizer OS is a way to 
use Sugarizer as your Android Launcher on the device. So you could have the 
same experience with Sugarizer on your tablet/smartphone that you've got with 
Sugar on the XO laptop. More specifically, Sugarizer OS features are:

  *   Directly boot the device on Sugarizer home view (no more Android stuff)
  *   Full features and activities of Sugarizer (Sugarizer and Sugarizer OS 
share the same code)
  *   Include both Sugarizer activities and Android applications in your home 
view using favorites feature
  *   Launch Android applications from Sugarizer home view
  *   Journal will trace both Sugarizer and Android application launch
  *   Launch Android settings 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Caryl Bigenho]

Sorry! I sent it to the sur list accidentally!


From: Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:52 PM
To: sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [sugar-sur] Fwd: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder


Hi All...

There was a problem with the link for today's meeting and I wasn't able to 
attend! I tried 2 different browsers and both said they couldn't connect, that 
there was a "problem with the server"... Safari,

or that the address did not exist...Chrome.


Please send a valid link to the minutes. I wonder how many other folks were 
also locked out?


Caryl


From: sugar-sur <sugar-sur-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Laura 
Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 6:56:29 AM
To: sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [sugar-sur] Fwd: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

Hola a todos!

Este mensaje lo reenvio porque es muy importante.

La 1era reunión de la junta directiva de Sugar Labs sera hoy a las 2PM en el 
canal de chat #sugar-meeting.

Gracias de antemano si pueden acompañarnos :D


Abrazo, bendiciones y la seguimos!


-- Forwarded message --
From: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org<mailto:la...@somosazucar.org>>
Date: 2017-01-05 16:13 GMT-05:00
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder
To: Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com<mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>>, 
sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org<mailto:sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org>
Cc: SLOBs <sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org<mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>, iaep 
<iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org<mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>>, Sugar-dev Devel 
<sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org<mailto:sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org>>, 
"OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y administradores" 
<olpc-...@lists.laptop.org<mailto:olpc-...@lists.laptop.org>>


HI all! Hola a todos!

Walter,

It is very important to clarify, the proposed motion is:

Motion 1 for January 2017's meeting:

"To appoint volunteers Ignacio Rodriguez, Samson Goddoy and Laura Vargas as the 
new elections and membership committee, with the purpose of debugging current 
membership list and running the 2016's elections for the 3 seats at the Board 
available for the 2016-2018 period and to appoint Dave Crossland as an 
impartial election oversight party."

If motion passes we will be calling for additional candidates, according to our 
time availability an to the proposed election schedule:

01 Additional candidates call and deadline: January 7 to January 21.

02 If by January 22 we have more than this 3 candidates, we will need to have 
members list debugged by the 30th of January. If by January 22 we don't have 
any additional candidates, we would have 3 candidates for the 3 board places 
and no election may be necessary.

03 Send ballots and run the elections for the period from February 1 to the 
28th of 2017.


Thank you and I hope the blessings of the new year help us unite and move 
forward!

Laura V



2017-01-05 15:08 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender 
<walter.ben...@gmail.com<mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>>:
We have our first Sugar Labs oversight board meeting of 2017 tomorrow (Friday, 
6 January) at 19 UTC on irc.sugarlabs.org<http://irc.sugarlabs.org> 
#sugar-meeting

We have a motion to appoint new oversight board members: Samson Goddy, Laura 
Vargas, and Ignacio Rodriguez to the board.

Happy New Year.

Let's make 2017 a great year for Sugar.

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Caryl Bigenho]

Sebastian wrote, "That is a statement that shouldn't be done lightly. It casts 
doubt on

the process you yourself led last year."

As you well know we (you, Samson, and I) sent out multiple emails to make very 
sure everyone had an opportunity not only to vote but also to run for office, 
if they so chose. It was a lot of work and we had many hours involved in making 
it happen. I Have seen nothing like that happening this year.

Caryl

From: Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:56:43 AM
To: Caryl Bigenho; Laura Vargas; Dave Crossland; Tony Anderson; José Miguel 
García; Claudia Ur
Cc: SLOBs; iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y 
administradores
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder



On 02/12/16 12:36, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> I don't know who is in charge,
Last time, you were in charge of the election.
> but they should have made sure they sent several reminders of
> deadlines to file for candidacy. In fact, was there ever an
> announcement sent out to all of the membership asking if they wish to
> run and giving deadlines and a timeline?
Are you being ironic? There obviously wasn't any.
> I didn't see even one. This has always been done in the past. It looks
> like someone is trying to rig the election!
That is a statement that shouldn't be done lightly. It casts doubt on
the process you yourself led last year.

I don't plan to volunteer this year. This has been made clear in prior
conversation but I thought it would be worth to state it publicly again.

Dave already gave an update on the current status.

Regards,
Sebastian
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Caryl Bigenho]

I would assume they do wish to stand for re-election. The publicity on this has 
been terrible. I don't know who is in charge, but they should have made sure 
they sent several reminders of deadlines to file for candidacy. In fact, was 
there ever an announcement sent out to all of the membership asking if they 
wish to run and giving deadlines and a timeline? I didn't see even one. This 
has always been done in the past. It looks like someone is trying to rig the 
election! (Sorry... but that is how some of us from the US feel about elections 
right now!)


Caryl



From: IAEP  on behalf of Laura Vargas 

Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 8:44:55 AM
To: Dave Crossland
Cc: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y 
administradores; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder



2016-12-02 11:38 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland >:


On 2 December 2016 at 11:28, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:


2016-12-02 11:27 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland >:

On 2 December 2016 at 11:24, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
Looks like we have 3 seats for 3 candidates :D

6 candidates, assuming the 3 people in those 3 seats want to stand for 
reeleection?

Why would you assume this?

¯\_(?)_/¯

Why would you not? :D

lol :)


Because you announced elections will take place first week of December. If they 
were interested I'm sure they would already expressed interest as Ignacio, 
Samson and I.

At least some interest in setting up the elections, don't you think?


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

[Caryl Bigenho]

This year I am not on the election committee because I am very involved in 
setting up an OSSIE track for SCaLE. I don't know who is on the committee this 
time or what their time table is. It probably should be finalized at tomorrow's 
meeting.


Caryl


From: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 12:37:16 PM
To: Caryl Bigenho; Dave Crossland
Cc: SLOBs; IAEP SugarLabs; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; samson goddy; Tony 
Anderson
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

Caryl,

I Agree with you, we should be patient. The academia certification system 
consumes a lot of time from people :P

You lead last year election time table, Any news this year?

Dave,

I recall you also joined the Elections Committee early this year, I hope you 
still have time :D

Regards and blessings,

Laura Victoria


2016-12-01 14:47 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho 
<cbige...@hotmail.com<mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com>>:

I agree with Dave, we should wait for Sameer's guidance in this process.

Caryl


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Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

Hi all!

I am really interested in continue helping the community to shape it's vision 
for the following 10-15 years.

I believe society in general, needs urgently to rescue respect for the voice of 
women and young girls, specially in free/libre-culture/software projects.

That said I have found that helping out is easier when your voice also has a 
vote attached.

That's why I present my candidacy for the commingling board elections. 
Sebastian has shared with me he has no time to be part of this years election 
(is it 3 seats? is it for 2017-2019?) committee, so I ask all the other members 
to please set the time line in tomorrow's meeting.

Thank you all for the time!

Blessings and regards,

Laura Victoria



2016-12-01 12:07 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com<mailto:d...@lab6.com>>:

The discussion stopped because we are waiting for Sameer to publish the second 
episode of his video about the process of formally defining a vision, mission, 
goals, tasks and doing a swot analysis and so on.

Sameer proposed and I think we all agreed that each of us throwing our own 
unilateral attempts at each other was not productive

(resent from correct email address)

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

[Caryl Bigenho]

I agree with Dave, we should wait for Sameer's guidance in this process.

Caryl


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Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 10:13:55 AM
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Cc: Tony Anderson; Dave Crossland
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

Hi all!

I am really interested in continue helping the community to shape it's vision 
for the following 10-15 years.

I believe society in general, needs urgently to rescue respect for the voice of 
women and young girls, specially in free/libre-culture/software projects.

That said I have found that helping out is easier when your voice also has a 
vote attached.

That's why I present my candidacy for the commingling board elections. 
Sebastian has shared with me he has no time to be part of this years election 
(is it 3 seats? is it for 2017-2019?) committee, so I ask all the other members 
to please set the time line in tomorrow's meeting.

Thank you all for the time!

Blessings and regards,

Laura Victoria



2016-12-01 12:07 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland >:

The discussion stopped because we are waiting for Sameer to publish the second 
episode of his video about the process of formally defining a vision, mission, 
goals, tasks and doing a swot analysis and so on.

Sameer proposed and I think we all agreed that each of us throwing our own 
unilateral attempts at each other was not productive

(resent from correct email address)

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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Caryl Bigenho]

This discussion really belongs to the SLOBS members and the leaders of the 
various projects. It is not for you and I, or any other individual members to 
decide.

Caryl

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> On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:55 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
> 
> On Aug 6, 2016 11:29 PM, "Caryl Bigenho" <ca...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: d...@lab6.com
> > Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:29:13 -0400
> >
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election
> > To: ca...@laptop.org
> > CC: cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
> > samsongo...@sugarlabs.org
> >
> >
> > On 6 August 2016 at 16:01, Caryl Bigenho <ca...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I disagree about XSCE
> >
> >
> > Is XSCE a Sugar Labs project? 
> >
> > You will have to ask the XSCE folks that question.
> 
> I will do :) Do you have any suggestions for criteria to evaluate how to 
> define what is and is not a Sugar Labs owned project?
> 
> > As far as I know, the project is self-funded by the volunteers who work on 
> > it. Most of them are members of Sugar Lab.
> 
> Yes, I've read their weekly call minutes and joined a call earlier this year 
> :) I encourage anyone who hasn't to also do so :)
> 
> Are there any other related projects like this you suggest reaching out to?
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Caryl Bigenho]

From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:29:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election
To: ca...@laptop.org
CC: cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
samsongo...@sugarlabs.org


On 6 August 2016 at 16:01, Caryl Bigenho <ca...@laptop.org> wrote:
I disagree about XSCE

Is XSCE a Sugar Labs project? 
You will have to ask the XSCE folks that question. As far as I know, the 
project is self-funded by the volunteers who work on it. Most of them are 
members of Sugar Lab. They produce products that aid in the use of Sugar 
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi…
I disagree about XSCE. Those contributors should definitely be eligible for 
Sugar Labs membership. Their work has been in direct support of many Sugar 
Deployments. IIAB developers should also be included, if they wish, as we use 
their work in deployments that either do not have internet or cannot use it for 
some reason. For example, at one of the deployments in a battered women't 
shelter in  Los Angeles they use it because the children aren't allowed to use 
the internet. Other places use both of these these (XSCE and IIAB) in their 
Sugar Deployments.
Also, the many folks involved with Sugarizer should be included. Obviously, it 
is the only way Sugar can be used on tablets and phones and is critical in 
areas where XOs and computers that can run SOAS are not available. For many, it 
represents the future of Sugar.
Now… additionally… I personally do not feel that mearly owning an XO or using 
Sugar should qualify a person for membership. If they have contributed to 
testing various versions of Sugar or have developed lesson plans and guides or 
similar resources for using Sugar with children they should definitely be 
eligible. In fact, maybe it is time to encourage people to  share their lesson 
plans. There is a real need for them.
Similarly, merely adding a few lines to the wiki or writing a few responses on 
a mailing list should not be enough. Real contributions should show a true 
commitment to the project and represent many hours of work. Not just a few 
minutes of casual comments and a few lines of information on the wiki.
Sorry, Dave, but I think some other long-time members may tend to agree with 
me. Remember… bigger isn't better and quantity doesn't equal quality!
Caryl
From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 14:45:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election
To: cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com
CC: ca...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; samsongo...@sugarlabs.org

Hi
On 6 August 2016 at 11:14, Chris Leonard  wrote:
Contributions to L10n on http://translate.sugarlabs.org

Sounds good! Please can you extract and email me a list of all names/emails of 
all translation contributions? :)
On 6 August 2016 at 11:13, Tony Anderson  wrote:

Clearly we should be looking for people who are supporting or sponsoring XO 
deployments with Sugar. I'm obviously happy to cast a wide net here, so, sure - 
please email me a list of all names/emails of all such contributors :)
You also did not mention contributors to Sugar activities. 
OK, I'll try to grep the git logs of the activities already Github as well as 
the legacy Gitorious codebase. What about contributors to support-gang (albeit 
an olpc list)? Nah, if support-gang or unleashkids or olpc-sf or any other 
related community's members are not subscribed to any sugarlabs list, I don't 
think they can qualify as as a Sugar Labs contributor :)
What about developers and users of xsce (school server)?
Nah, that's a related but separate project for me. There are lots of projects 
in the libre edu tech space, I see no reason to reach out to invite them to 
vote in the SLOB campaign. 
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks…
A few minutes away from "Camp Grandma and Grandpa" to check emails (it's nap 
time).
This is all well and good, however in the past (when I first joined Sugar Labs) 
members had to qualify by actually making some tangible "contribution" (not 
money) to Sugar Labs. This could be development of software or hardware, having 
a small deployment, hosting Sugar Labs and OLPC events, and the like. We didn't 
simply say, "Hey, why don't you sign up and be a member?" 
What you are suggesting seems to throw away all criteria for membership, other 
than a person saying, "Sure, sign me up."
This cheapens both the organization and discounts the efforts of the many, many 
members who have done so much work in the past.
I do think getting the membership list up-to-date in a timely manner is a great 
idea and I am glad Dave is volunteering to do the job. The list we were left 
with for last year's election was a total mess and the names  of many folks, 
who were long time contributors, were missing. Hopefully we caught all of them 
by sending numerous emails keeping everyone up-to-date on the progress of the 
election. Many replied with "Hey, how come I didn't get my ballot yet? 
I urge caution in going forward with this. We should end up with, hopefully, a 
complete, up-to-date list, with current valid email addresses, of all 
contributors to Sugar Labs projects (of any kind) who desire to be members. 
Bigger isn't better in this case. Quantity definitely does not mean quality.
Caryl
Now, off to get my nap! Five-year-olds can be exhausting and if she is napping 
now, she will go to bed late tonight!
From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:45:12 -0400
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; samsongo...@sugarlabs.org; ca...@laptop.org; 
sebast...@fuentelibre.org
Subject: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election


Hi
In today's meeting, Seb mentioned the 2017 SLOB election is coming up fast and 
should happen in (early) December. 
The election commitee last year was Samson, Caryl, and Sebastian, and Seb 
invited me to join, which I am happy to :)
I suggest we start making steady progress and update the community at each 
monthly SLOB meeting for the next 4 meetings that remain this year.
http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_dd38dc6aa11d1a98 says "The 
top four candidates will serve 2 year terms and the next three will serve 1 
year terms" and here's the ordered list:
1. Walter Bender2. Lionel Laské3. Adam Holt4. Sameer Verma5. Claudia Urrea6. 
Tony Anderson7. Jose Miguel Garcia
Therefore Tony, Jose Miguel, and Claudia's seats will be elected this year.
The first thing I think needs to be done is to get a confirmed list of members. 
I can take care of it this month. 
Currently the member list is maintained in a Google Docs spreadsheet. Seb 
confirmed members were not contacted so far this year; the only activity is to 
add some new members to the sheet this year. Walter suggested a mass email to 
ask members to confirm/update their member status, and indeed it seems to me 
that the #1 purpose of the sheet is to have a list of people to email about 
Sugar Labs business.
So I propose that, since at the last meeting a motion to ask members for dinero 
passed, and since I have a large list of everyone who ever mailed a SL mailing 
list, everyone who every made a wiki account, and this members spreadsheet, I 
will mail all these people once to ask if they want to be 'members,' which I 
propose to define as having an email registed on a sugarlabs-annouce mailing 
list. This way there is no ambiguity that only paying members are members; 
instead it can be clear anyone on that mailing list is a member, and no payment 
is needed. I think it would be good to promise not to mail this announce list 
more than once a calendar month, and to configure the list as a public list 
where joining is moderated and so is emailing the list (ie, it can only be made 
by authorized persons.) Seb supported this idea.
For people who are not on the list, it seems there is already a procedure 
defined for how to deal with them. 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Currency_assurance_policy 
says, "In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is reflective of 
the current status of the project and its participants, once a year members 
will be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs Member. If 
this request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it has been 
a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six months have 
passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an invitation to 
reapply." Therefore 6 months after this email, I can send a known-good list of 
accounts to remove from the wiki and we'll have a definitive active members 
list. 
So, I volunteer to do the following before the next SLOB meeting:
- I will ask Sam C to set up a new sugar-annou...@lists.sugarlabs.org mailing 
list with himself, myself, samson, caryl and seb as list admins. 
- 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Guys…
I'll probably have to miss the meeting tomorrow as we are in the middle of 
"Camp Grandma and Grandpa." Our 5-year-old granddaughter is keeping us busy 
(really busy).
See you all next month (if not tomorrow),Caryl

From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 18:20:27 -0400
To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] [SLOB] Meeting reminder
CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
olpc-...@lists.laptop.org

We have a Sugar Labs oversight board meeting on Friday, 5 August at 19UTC *. 
Please join us on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting
Among the discussion topics: Turtle Art Days in Abuja, Asuncion, and Montevideo
regards.
-walter
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* 
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160805T15=43=Sugar+Labs+oversight+board+meeting=cursive


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Re: [IAEP] Critique of Google Apps For Education

[Caryl Bigenho]

OK, I read most of the article and I still don't get the point. How is Google 
exploiting the students' data? I haven't seen ads on the various GAFEs I have 
used. Are they tailoring ads to the individual student as facebook seems to do 
(badly in my case)? If targeted ads are there, it presents what we call a 
"teachable moment" leading to a lesson on targeted advertizing and how not to 
be exploited by it. 
Please explain…
Caryl

From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 13:46:52 -0400
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Critique of Google Apps For Education

Hi
Nice critique of Google Apps For Education:
http://sci-hub.cc/10.1177/1474904116654917#
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Cheers
Dave


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Re: [IAEP] Priority languages to translate Sugar

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Lionel,
Are you using Bootstrap responsive design?  Perhaps if you design for the xs 
screen the larger ones will take care of themselves?
Caryl
From: lionel.la...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:55:22 +0200
To: d...@lab6.com
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Priority languages to translate Sugar
CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org


All Sugarizer activities work on mobile. I'm checking it before each new 
release.So activities are usable but it's true that activities are not fully 
optimized for mobile.
   Lionel.
2016-07-15 14:11 GMT+02:00 Dave Crossland :
Hi
On Jul 15, 2016 7:31 AM, "José Miguel García"  wrote:

>

> Hola!

> Estoy de acuerdo con Caryl de fortalecer Sugarizer.

> Es importante avanzar en función de las disponibilidades de los despliegues, 
> para poder fortalecer a Sugar

> A modo de ejemplo, en Uruguay se están distribuyendo tablets para los niños 
> más chicos. La única forma de comenzar desde temprana edad con Sugar es a 
> través de Sugarizer.
Right. It seems that the biggest olpc customers are migrating away from GNU 
systems and Sugar, despite being heavy users for years. 

However, while its true yet smartphones have browsers, designing software for 
mobile is different to designing for tablets. 
Its not clear to me that any Sugarizer Activity is designed for mobile. 
Lionel, is this true?
Cheers

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Re: [IAEP] Priority languages to translate Sugar

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks…
Although it may seem a nice idea to propose translations into many languages, 
at this time I feel translations should be restricted to those language groups 
that have the XO hardware to use Sugar, like those in Peru and Haiti. Trying to 
add some of the Native American languages, where the hardware is not available 
is a futile exercise. 
At the same time, we need an increased effort to work on the porting of the top 
Sugar Activities to Sugarizer. That is where we can reach children and young 
people everywhere because the needed hardware is already in their hands.
A recent conversation I had with Samson Goddy in Nigeria went something like 
this:
C: What computers will you be using with the students?S: InfinityC: How many 
will you have?S: TwoC: But do most of them have smartphones?S: Yeah.
He agrees with me that we should be supporting Sugarizer so we can take 
advantage of the hardware the students already have.
So, along with these comments, I submit:  Simultaneous translation of Sugar 
Activities to their Sugarizer counter-parts is something that should be taken 
seriously.
How many of you folks can do JavaScript, HTML5, and CSS? Those are the skills 
needed to do this. You can get these skills online if you want to help. Please 
contact me and Lionel Laske if you are willing to help with this.
BTW… SOS (Sugar On A Stick) is not really a viable option.  I have tried it 
with teachers in a workshop and they found it too complicated to use and were 
afraid of infecting their computers with a virus. It was a great idea, 5 years 
ago. But, it is time to move on and Sugarizer is the direction of the future.
Caryl
From: s...@unleashkids.org
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:02:19 -0400
To: la...@somosazucar.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Priority languages to translate Sugar
CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

I added Haitian Creole, even though it's already been partly translated, 
because the quality of the translations is weak and not finished. I know there 
was some talk in the past about hiring a firm - Educa Vision - to do the 
translations and contribute a Haitian Creole dictionary app, but I don't know 
the status of any of that because I was not really involved in it.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
Here is the first draft of the list for the Sugar translation pending projects. 
Hopefully, to be cosidered by the Sugar Projects Translation Fund:
 https://titanpad.com/SLLL
I have tried to summarize to the best of my knowledge current initiatives from 
local Communities in America. If you have an idea or project to add please 
share the context/continent and relationship of the language with the SugarXO 
Community, and thanks in advance.

2016-07-09 11:25 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva :

  

  
  
El 09/07/16 a las 01:48, Laura Vargas escribió:




  

  

  Recalling Claudia's proposal to make a priority
languages list for Sugar translations, here in Perú I
did an informal survery with the team of the Dirección de 
Lenguas Indígenas del
Ministerio de Cultura, and noticing we already have
Quechua, Aymara and Awajún, they suggested (in no
specific order):



  
  - Ashaninka http://bdpi.cultura.gob.pe/pueblo/ashaninka


- Wampis http://bdpi.cultura.gob.pe/pueblo/wampis

  
  - Shipibo http://bdpi.cultura.gob.pe/pueblo/shipibo-konibo


  



Let's add Cherokee, possibly Navajo and Lakota?



To better word a phrase I wrote in another thread:

I do believe the mere possibility of attaining fluency in technology
and properly appropriable informatics holds the promise to empower
native cultures to better cope with modernity and even assume
leadership in it.


  



Is someone managing such list already?

  

  

  


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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [OLPC-SF] Fwd: Please Help Support OLPC

[Caryl Bigenho]

FWIW The Knight Foundation is a supporter of Public Radio in the US.

Caryl



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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Samuel Greenfeld  wrote:
> 
> Not that unusual; I've seen a few fundraising emails like this from time to 
> time.
> 
> More interesting (at least having worked for them) is that they moved from a 
> portion of the 11th floor of a building in Miami to a single room on the 3rd 
> to a new building entirely.
> 
> Doubly interesting is that the building they moved into happens to be the 
> same as the Knight Foundation 
> http://www.knightfoundation.org/about/contact/ 
> 
> I do not know if there is a correlation.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>> Interesting :) 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Aaron D Borden 
>> Date: 9 July 2016 at 04:04
>> Subject: [OLPC-SF] Fwd: Please Help Support OLPC
>> To: olpc...@lists.laptop.org
>> 
>> 
>> Some activity from OLPC. They're running a fundraiser!
>> http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b4e697fcc915b7fe33b6f6273=61e9cdfc06
>> 
>> >  Forwarded Message 
>> > Subject:Please Help Support OLPC
>> > Date:   Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:24:54 +
>> > From:   One Laptop per Child, Inc. 
>> > Reply-To:   One Laptop per Child, Inc. 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please Help Support OLPC
>> >
>> > View this email in your browser
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > *Dear Friend of OLPC,*
>> >
>> > On behalf of One Laptop per Child, and the millions of children who need
>> > your support, we invite you to join us as we work to fulfill our mission
>> > of providing each child in the world with a rugged, low-cost computer
>> > and related innovative educational program.
>> >
>> > *OLPC*, a 501(c)3 non-profit organization founded in 2005, continues to
>> > work to fulfill its mission of providing a quality education to all
>> > children. *OLPC* has joined forces with the Zamora Teran Foundation to
>> > provide comprehensive support services to *OLPC* programs around the
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Re: [IAEP] North American native languages (was Re: #Documentation SL Funding Committe)

[Caryl Bigenho]

I have contacted people from the Crow here in MT and Objibway in another state. 
You have to deal with the Tribal Councils and they are really to busy to deal 
with things like this. 

As I said before, to be successful in the USA you have to work bottom up. Start 
with the classroom teachers. Convince them that this will make their jobs 
easier and that their students may score better on their Standardized Tests and 
that it is totally free, easy to integrate into the curriculum, and fun for the 
students and you will have a "winner." 

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org> wrote:
> 
>> El 09/07/16 a las 10:10, Caryl Bigenho escribió:
>> We may be able to get an easy entry point by executing the translation of 
>> Sugar to Cherokee and/or Navajo. [3] 
>> 
>> [3] http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140606-why-we-must-save-dying-languages
> 
> While Laura proposed to prioritize these in the context of promoting Sugar on 
> the broader US community, I offer that the experience of localizing Sugar for 
> these groups is a goal in itself, as a learning experience for further work. 
> As the article explains, there is wisdom embedded in the words of the 
> languages of peoples who have lived in these territories for thousands of 
> years. This is part of humanity's legacy and should not be lost.
> 
> I do believe the mere possibility fluency in technology and properly 
> appropriable informatics has the power to empower native cultures to better 
> cope with modernity and even assume leadership in it.
> 
> Perhaps we can learn from them how to exist under a dominant culture 
> (proprietary software).
> The dominant culture has everyone engulfed in a dreamspell that makes it hard 
> to see what is important.
> 
> That said, for sure, Sugarizer should be part of what gets translated when we 
> discuss translating Sugar.
> 
> Does anyone in these lists have contact with native north-american people? 
> Have we heard from the Mexican language efforts? I would ping some contacts 
> for US based natives if there could be support for achieving this.
> 
> Regards,
> Sebastian
> 
> PS: do read, if you can, the linked article it is quite enlightening
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Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe

[Caryl Bigenho]

Sugarizer is the best way to get Sugar into classrooms in the USA. No cost for 
the devices... The kids already have them. Start small with a mini "Sugarizer 
For Schools." Have great documentation and easy to use, fail-safe, lesson plans 
available free online. Present and demo at teachers conferences.  Lots of 
teachers conferences. Do the same at Linux Fests all over the country. 

I could (and probably should) expand on this... Such as... Maybe start with one 
subject area (eg Math). Use Master teachers like Rosamel in Uruguay to help...

Caryl

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> 
> 
> El 7 de julio de 2016, 7:52, Dave Crossland  escribió:
>> 
>> On 7 July 2016 at 08:49, José Miguel García  wrote:
>>> Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar Igualdad, 
>>> donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su sistema.
>> 
>> Wow, that's amazing!! :D 
>> 
>> I guess in the USA it is common to create bad lawsuits if things go wrong, 
>> preventing schools from offering this possibility. 
> 
> Thank you all for reading. It is a shame we don't have hundreds of teachers 
> from the US in the member's list!
> 
> Huayra (witch BTW means Wind in Quechua) from Conectar Igualdad Argentina is 
> probably the most inspiring distro we have in Latam. [1]
> 
> I hope one day other countries like México, Perú and Colombia start using it, 
> forking it or somehow making their own "Huayra type" libre OS. Unfortunatly, 
> the program may losse gobernment support as Microsoft is offering no cost 
> licenses to President Macri [2].
> 
> Getting back to the subject of this thread, I think we should facilitate the 
> use of Sugar in the US asap. We may be able to get an easy entry point by 
> executing the translation of Sugar to Cherokee and/or Navajo. [3] 
> 
> Hope to get the SL goals defined soon :D
> 
> [1] 
> http://wiki.huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/index.php/%C2%A1Bienvenidos_a_Huayra_GNU/Linux!
> [2] 
> http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Microsoft-ofrecio-Macri-software-estudiantes_0_1508849461.html
> [3] http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140606-why-we-must-save-dying-languages
> 
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Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks...
Actually, there are at least two other SLOB members who have active experience 
in the classroom, José Miguel Garcia is a much honored educator in Uruguay. 
And, Adam Holt has long, ongoing, and extensive classroom experience with the 
projects, teachers, and students he works with in Haiti. Both of them have a 
realistic, clear view of what it takes to get teacher buy in and to foster 
student participation and success with Sugar. 
Sameer Verma may have similar experience with the projects he has worked with 
in India and Jamaica and, probably other places as well.
Caryl

From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 18:03:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe
To: cbige...@hotmail.com
CC: walter.ben...@gmail.com; la...@somosazucar.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

Hi
Thanks Caryl, this is all very informative and I'm glad you are here to explain 
this context :) 
On 6 July 2016 at 17:18, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Teacher training and "buy-in" is essential for Sugar/Sugarizer to succeed no 
matter what platform, language, or country you/we are working in. This is where 
SugarLabs has been remiss.
I am grateful that (and think we are all lucky to have) Adam and Tony 
participating here and on the SL board, but it seems to me that we do not have 
many other direct links to existing Sugar user communities. It seems to me that 
there is the Sugar Labs community, which steers the development of Sugar 
software, and then there is the IIAB/XSCE/Unleash Kids/OLPC-X "deployment" 
community, and that in the last 10 years some kind of antagonisms have 
developed which keep the two communities divided. (What I mean by OLPC-X is 
that there is no longer a community around OLPC itself, but there are still a 
few user associations like OLPC-France, OLPC-Canada, OLPC-Australia.) 

I wonder that perhaps developing teacher training media or other resources 
needed for "buy-in" will be definitively considered in or out of scope for 
Sugar Labs during Sameer's Vision Quest... that Sugar Labs could be delineated 
as being focused on developing Sugar software, and doing outreach to software 
developers who are parents or school district employees or otherwise interested 
in making software for kids, including providing hardware with Sugar 
pre-installed at less than 10 units per order, and relies on other projects to 
deliver that software to classrooms... or, that Sugar Labs is focused on 
providing non-profit commercial support for Sugar, and develops user support 
media as well as consulting services for school districts, including providing 
hardware with Sugar pre-installed at 100+ units per order. 
-- 
Cheers
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Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks….
The funds referred to in the Dept of Ed announcement (2 years old) are Title I, 
II, and III funds. These are allocated to schools annually based on certain 
criteria. For example, if the student population of a school comes from largely 
low income, disadvantaged homes, the school will be eligible for Title I funds. 
Most of the schools in LAUSD (where I taught for 30+ years) now qualify for 
Title I funding.
Thus said, if someone is working with a Sugar/Sugarizer project at aTitle I 
school they may wish to use some of the funds on educational technology. But, 
keep in mind that these funds are also used for things like Teacher's aides, 
parent education, field trips, and the like. There is a lot of competition for 
the money. 
If you were a teacher with a class of 36 disadvantaged students would you 
rather have an extra hand to help in the classroom (an Aide) or would you 
rather have 36 laptops/tablets? If you have ever worked in such a classroom (as 
I have) you would know the answer… it's a "no brainer," you will take the Aide, 
thank you!
The iPad fiasco in LAUSD was incredible! Supt Deasy lost his job over it.  I 
talked with several teachers about it and they said it was crazy. The teachers 
did not receive proper training in advance to be able to use the tablets 
effectively with their students.  Some schools kept them locked up most of the 
time. For the ones who checked them out to students, the accountability was 
terrible and hundreds, maybe even thousands of the tablets simply "disappeared."
Even in Uruguay, where there was excellent training for teachers, great parent 
and community involvement, and a pretty good accounting system, machines 
disappeared and many teachers didn't really "buy in" to the use of the XOs with 
their students. 
We saw that on some of our visits to classrooms in Uruguay during EduJam  in 
2011. In one classroom in Montevideo, a teacher gave the students a math 
graphing assignment to do on their XOs using data they had collected during a 
recent vacation break. Few of the students did the assignment. Most went 
directly to the internet to play games and tend to their "webkins." (Another 
reason for having IIAB!) 
Yet, a few days later we saw what was essentially the same lesson at a school 
in rural Durazno where the students were all very involved with the lesson and 
presented excellent individual results. The second classroom was that of 
Rosamel Ramirez Mendez, one of the finest teachers I have run into anywhere.  
At EduJam, we also got to see some of the great science experiments Trinidad 
Guzman used with his students. And, now his guide to doing it is available in 
English too, thanks to Tony Anderson, Laura Vargus, and Sebastiain Silva.
Teacher training and "buy-in" is essential for Sugar/Sugarizer to succeed no 
matter what platform, language, or country you/we are working in.  This is 
where SugarLabs has been remiss. Until we address it "Big Time" we aren't going 
to see much progress.
Caryl
From: walter.ben...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:12:46 -0400
To: d...@lab6.com
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Subject: Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe

I agree with Dave. It is really oriented towards school programs (in teh US) 
and professional development. I don't think it is a good match for Sugar Labs.
-walter
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:


On 5 July 2016 at 20:56, Laura Vargas  wrote:
Please read:
http://tech.ed.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tech-Federal-Funds-Final-V2.pdf 
Nice find! Its great to see support for Open Educational Resources and that 
school districts can get federal funds to buy computer devices. However, I'm 
not sure SL would be eligible for any of those funds?


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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] "Physics with XO" by Guzmán Trinidad now available in English

[Caryl Bigenho]

This is wonderful news! I saw some of Trinidad's great physics experiments when 
we were in Uruguay for EduCamp. This is where Sugar and the XO really shine! 
IMHO Making it easier for teachers to utilize Sugar and the XOs in the 
classroom is the only real way to grow Sugar. 

Caryl
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> On Jul 4, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Sebastian Silva  
> wrote:
> 
> Our team would like to share with the community the immediate availability 
> [1] of Guzmán Trinidad's "Physics with XO". It is a book that includes 30 
> experimental activities for the Physics Laboratory that utilize the XO 
> laptop's capabilities to attach sensors and create interactive experiences.
> 
> We believe that knowledge production should be as widely distributed as 
> creativity is, and so we are proud to have been able to help to disseminate 
> Guzmán's work for use in Rwanda, Philippines and other places where English 
> is spoken. The original book was written and published in Uruguay in 2011. 
> This translation was made possible thanks to the kind sponsorship of Tony 
> Anderson.
> 
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> [1] https://www.gitbook.com/book/icarito/physics-with-xo/details
> 
> If you find anything that can be improved, do let us know; it will be 
> appreciated.
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Re: [IAEP] Simplified Version of A & B for Tomorrow's Meeting

[Caryl Bigenho]

As the original proposer of the motion, I hope to see the version Tony and I 
have crafted be the version voted on tomorrow. I really appreciate the time and 
effort people have it into it, but I would like to see this "kiss" version be 
the one voted on. 
Caryl

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> On Jun 30, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 30 June 2016 at 10:57, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> P.S. Re clause #2: there may be times when the financial data from the SFC
>> is not available at a meeting. The first item in the clause allows for
>> making updates and corrections from the previous meeting's data if it
>> differs.
> 
> The motion I just posted also allows for this.
> 
>> I strongly suggest this be the starting version at the meeting tomorrow.
> 
> Do you need to repost it to the SLOBs list in order for it to be a valid 
> motion?
> 
>> Confirmation of the accuracy of the previous month's report according to
>> the SFC
>> Balance at the beginning of the month preceding the meeting
>> Expenses during the month
>> Income received during the month
>> Balance at the end of the month
> 
> How does that work for a meeting like the one tomorrow falling on the
> 1st of the month; does it mean that the FM is obligated to finalise
> the report in the less than 24 hours before the meeting?
> 
>> 3. The Finance Manager arranges for the Conservancy to make any
>> disbursements authorized by the Board. The Finance Manager
>> will maintain a 'petty cash' fund of $200 to pay for miscellaneous
>> expenditures between meetings.
> 
> Does that mean that if two requests for funds under $200 occur in 1
> month, the 2nd can not be paid until either the next month begins or a
> SLOB motion to approve it?
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Dave
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

[Caryl Bigenho]

BTW… as with any really good presentation, the slides don't tell the whole 
story, they mearly enhance it. Doing otherwise results in that tragedy commonly 
referred to as "Death By Power-Point." So, please find the time to listen and 
watch the whole thing.
If we are lucky, Sameer will find time to do more like this.
Caryl

> From: d...@lab6.com
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:01:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different
> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> CC: sve...@sfsu.edu; sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> 
> On 24 June 2016 at 22:28, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 24 June 2016 at 18:20, Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's been interesting to watch the conversations around vision, mission,
> >> marketing, etc. over the last few weeks. Several observations emerge.
> >> Here are a few that I think are relevant to us.
> >>
> >> 1) There is a lot of confusion over the terms. Vision, Mission, Goals, etc.
> >
> > Sameer is a wonderful person to guide us in this process… after all, as a 
> > tenured
> > professor in the Business School of San Francisco State University, he 
> > probably
> > knows more about this process than all the rest of us combined!
> 
> I agree. I would like to take Sameer's definitions as definitive. Does
> anyone disagree with doing so?
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...
Very well done Sameer!  I hope everyone takes the approximately 35 minutes to 
view this excellent clarification of what exactly is meant by terms like 
"Vision," "Mission," "Goals," "Objectives," and "Tasks."  Much of the 
discussions trying to address these items have been a bit "off-base," not for a 
lack of enthusiasm but, rather, from a lack of understanding of how things in 
business (and, yes, in education too) actually work. Maybe once we are all 
speaking the same language we can make some concrete progress in addressing 
these issues.
Sameer is a wonderful person to guide us in this process… after all, as a 
tenured professor in the Business School of San Francisco State University, he 
probably knows more about this process than all the rest of us combined!
Happy viewing…. warning, this is very educational. It is like a lecture in a 
college level… maybe even graduate level course.  Expect to be challenged. 
Expect to need to drag the marker back once in a while to revisit a term. It 
will be will worth the time and can serve you well in other areas of your life 
besides Sugar and SugarLabs!
Caryl

From: sve...@sfsu.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:20:49 -0700
To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Sugarlabs and Sugar are different

It's been interesting to watch the conversations around vision, mission, 
marketing, etc. over the last few weeks. Several observations emerge. Here are 
a few that I think are relevant to us. 

1) There is a lot of confusion over the terms. Vision, Mission, Goals, etc. 2) 
Perhaps the confusion stems from not knowing how these pieces fit together, and 
the roles these play.
3) There are several confounding variables at play. For example, Sugar is a 
FOSS project. Sugarlabs is an agency established to foster/facilitate/support 
Sugar, the project. However, the two are not the same. So, in our effort to 
establish a strategic plan, the unit of analysis should be clear. For me, as a 
SLOB member, the unit of analysis is Sugarlabs, the agency. Everything I look 
at, is through that lens, including Sugar, OLPC, Sugarizer, etc. 

I've put together a screencast describing how all these things are related. I 
hope this will bring some clarity. 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/1/18/Sugarlabs-strategy-overview.webm

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Professor, Information Systems
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: New monthly SLOB meeting procedure

[Caryl Bigenho]

Walter is right. Ideas are good. Time coordination is difficult. The hour is 
"precious." Motion B would help clear the logjam at meetings. That is why I am 
proposing it

Caryl

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> On Jun 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Sebastian Silva  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> El 21/06/16 a las 09:47, Walter Bender escribió:
>> 
>> While I appreciate that such a mechanism might be useful in cleaning the 
>> pipes, I think that we really want to take advantage of the meetings for 
>> discussions. It was my hope that discussion about motions could be largely 
>> held before hand and discussion of ideas held at the meeting.
>> 
>> -walter
> People could get together on chat half an hour or so before the official 
> meeting starts...
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Oversight Board decisions page

[Caryl Bigenho]

Tony is correct. Motions A and B have not been voted on yet. I am hoping they 
will be at the July meeting. Watch for my finalized versions later this week 
when I finally get internet at my MT home.

Caryl

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> On Jun 20, 2016, at 12:43 AM, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Dave
> 
>> On 06/20/2016 05:20 AM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
>> Adam asked me to diligently maintain the list of SLOB decisions going
>> forwards, that Walter had put together from archives, at
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions
> 
> I have reviewed this page. You have numbered the motions beginning with 
> 2016-1. There are missing numbers after 14. However, a
> quick reading shows the board to have made decisive action on the motions.
> 
> One change I would like to see to this page. Mark pending motions as 
> 'proposed' or 'pending' and indicate who has submitted the motion.
> Use the actual wording of the motion (normally shown in the Board meeting 
> public log). For pending motions, use the words by the member who
> proposed it, with their name and the date submitted (or last amended).
> 
> In many cases you have marked several motions as failed which were not made 
> to the Board. (example, Motion 'B' 2016-28,29,30).
> 
> The dates above the motions do not seem to correspond to Board meeting dates. 
> According to the approved motion 2016-3,
> 
> 'Restrict email voting to 1 week going forward, to remove confusion from the 
> current voting process, keeping focus.'
> 
> I had understood this to mean that urgent or emergency motions would be made 
> on the SLOBs list and would be decided by email vote within
> one week of the motion being moved and seconded. However, I have no 
> recollection of this process being followed for most of the dates you give
> for failed motions.
> 
> If I read this page correctly, you believe there are no pending motions. All 
> motions are shown as agreed or failed.
> 
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement

[Caryl Bigenho]

Could someone find and post the current vision statement? After Wed when they 
finally come to hook up my slow, but very expensive, Internet connection, I'll 
be able to comment on the vision statement and possible additions and changes.

Caryl

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> On Jun 20, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
>> On 20 June 2016 at 03:23, Tony Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs.
> 
> You already said that, but I am concerned with your position on the original. 
> Laura quoted this in her email above, and it is on the wiki at 
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mission
> 
> "About Sugar Labs(R): Sugar Labs(R) is a volunteer-driven member project of 
> Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part of the 
> One Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers around the 
> world who are passionate about providing educational opportunities to 
> children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar Labs(R) is supported by 
> donations and is seeking funding to accelerate development."
> 
> Do you have any issue with this statement?
> 
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in 6 hours

[Caryl Bigenho]

Dave,

Your "ageism" is showing.

Caryl (age 79 years young)

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 June 2016 at 01:17, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 2016-06-17 12:07 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :
>>> 
 On 16 June 2016 at 13:49, Laura Vargas  wrote:
 Great news Dave! hopefully more and more OLPC members will join the 
 conversation on the IEP list.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, I must admit that I do not expect anyone at OLPC to join this list.
>> 
>> Could you please explain why? 
> 
> Most adults do not 'get' internet culture: They do not participate on the net 
> any more than they have to, beyond connecting with friends and family they 
> know face to face. There is no participation in any online communities; they 
> do not understand why discussing with strangers on the internet could be 
> valuable - it is just a waste of time, from their perspective, and they weigh 
> the downsides - not only having their ideas and ideologies criticised, but 
> often personally attacked - much heavier than we (we who do participate) do. 
> 
> In working with teams at both small and large companies over the years, 
> despite working on tech products directly related to the internet, I have met 
> _many_ people who have no interest in internet culture. There is nothing 
> about them online. They have their families, their sports/social clubs, their 
> TV magazines and other "old media";  they perform labour that they learned to 
> do in their early 20s at college, and learn new aspects of their work through 
> training courses that their employer provides. 
> 
> And this is only my impression, but it is my impression that the company 
> culture at OLPC Inc today is one of mainstream normality: good, friendly, 
> kind people who work in their office diligently at regular hours, and are not 
> obsessed with their work, and do not take their work home with them, and have 
> zero patience for anything other that professional, courteous interactions, 
> that involved respected lines of authority. 
> 
> I have this impression not from speaking with Leah, but by browsing their web 
> properties - homepage, wiki, mailing lists, etc - which are all very old, and 
> not updated this year (except the blog) - and their total absence not only 
> from recent discussions but the archives too. 
>  
> - OLPC offered XO-1.75 and XO-4 upgrade kits in the past, to upgrade 
> XO-1s, but they didn't sell that well; she agreed with Tony's assessment 
> that users will run the XO-1 until it fails, and OLPC has no EOL date in 
> mind
> 
> - OLPC is still offering XO-4s (touch and non-touch) with a minimum order 
> of 100 units through the end of this year for sure, and has a few units 
> in stock in Miami if anyone wants to buy just one or two; and Leah said 
> they could look into updating the laptop.org website to make the offer 
> public
 
 I belive SL business is the software We should not pay for any hardware 
 (besides the servers) that must be provided from PC manufacturers for 
 development ans testing. We already have experience with Intell locally.
>>> 
>>> You do not think SL should offer hardware to developers to raise funds?
>> 
>> Can you also please explain what is what you are proposing? 
> 
> I think SL should offer hardware to developers to raise funds, and to make 
> these developers more effective at meeting the needs of Sugar users, the 
> majority of which are XO-1 users.
>  
> - OLPC is now also offering a newer model, a classmate-spec machine, and 
> will send me details about this; its rugged and branded but not got the 
> pixel qi screen. 
> - OLPC only ships Sugar, and is very happy with it, and wants to support 
> the developer community although isn't sure how to so;
 
 And we are very happy supporting the OLPCs too. We would like to continue 
 doing so in a sustainable way for active members. We should let them know, 
 we are developing a thematic fund structure for OLPC and other "investors" 
 to be able to directorate the resources into specific projects.
>>> 
>>> I agree that they ought to be one of the many companies we approach for 
>>> funding in the future :) 
>>  
>> I read from your email they are ready to "support the developer community" 
>> so let's not keep everybody waiting! 
>> 
>> :D
> 
> What are the concrete next steps to take along that path?
> 
> 
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in 6 hours

[Caryl Bigenho]

We're "on the road" for a few days so I'm missing all the "fun." I hope some of 
the key people like Adam, Tony, Sameer, and Lionel are being included. They all 
have great global perspectives and a realistic maturity that should be a 
welcome asset in these discussions.

Caryl
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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> There will be a  Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in about 6 hours via
> Google Hangouts:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c3qn7hksl71offj7jitkjb81aa4
> 
> -- 
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Re: [IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi... 
Most Friday's will be good for me but until I get settled for the summer in 
Montana, I probably won't be able to join in.

IRC? I hope not! How about Google Hangout or Skype?

Caryl

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> On Jun 9, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> 
> Fridays afternoons -closing the week- might work well. 
> 
> I currently have Lima (Perú) time zone, so for example if we set for 5:00 PM 
> my time meetings will be: 
>  
> Fridays
> Los Angeles 3:00 - 4:00 PM
> Lima 5:00 - 6:00 PM
> New York 6:00 - 7:00 PM
> 
> I suggest we use the SLFC Pad document as a reference and the Sugar-Meeting 
> Cahnnel if available ;D
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 2016-06-08 10:33 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :
>> Hi
>> 
>> I'm in NY and Caryl is in CA so evenings will be best for me
>> 
>> On 7 June 2016 at 18:15, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>> > Thanks Dave and Caryl,
>> >
>> > Looks like we are getting the hang of it! We as a Committe should schedule 
>> > a
>> > weekly meeting to live chat with important updates/news and pending
>> > decisions.
>> >
>> > I propose to have the meeting every Monday Morning.
>> >
>> > Will this work for you two?
>> >
>> > Regards and Blessings
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2016-06-07 22:20 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :
>> >>
>> >> On 6 June 2016 at 23:26, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>> >> > I created a public pad for the Committee at https://titanpad.com/SLFC
>> >>
>> >> I have updated this, please check it
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Laura V.
>> > I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> >
>> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>> > IRC kaametza
>> >
>> > Happy Learning!
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
> 
> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> IRC kaametza
> 
> Happy Learning!
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Re: [IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Caryl Bigenho]

Super Laura! I enjoy working with you! :-D

Caryl


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> On Jun 6, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
> 
> Caryl,
> 
> I'll enjoy to join the committee ;D
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-06-06 22:24 GMT+08:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>:
>> Dave, 
>> 
>> Actually we have a number of people among the SugarLabs membership with 
>> experience in successful fund raising through grants. I am one of them. Sora 
>> Edwards is another. I'm sure there are other people who would be willing to 
>> work together (a committee or whatever we decide to call it) to constantly 
>> search all possible funding sources and team up to draft quality proposals 
>> that will be successful.
>> 
>> If you don't like the word committee, Dave, that is your business. But that 
>> is how things get done!
>> 
>> If someone reading this has done some grant writing or thinks they would 
>> enjoy helping seek out and develop proposals for SugarLabs… let's get 
>> together and be a "Committee!" The key word here is "enjoy."
>> 
>> Caryl
>> 
>> P.S. The grants written by me and by Sora were not written for SugarLabs. 
>> 
>> From: d...@lab6.com
>> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:14:35 -0600
>> Subject: Re: A Better Idea...
>> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
>> CC: olpc-...@lists.laptop.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; h...@laptop.org; 
>> walter.ben...@gmail.com; callaur...@gmail.com; lio...@olpc-france.org; 
>> sve...@sfsu.edu; logo...@gmail.com; t...@olenepal.org; la...@somosazucar.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 June 2016 at 10:18, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Nickel and dimeing" members doesn't seem to be a viable option
>> 
>> For me, neither does making up committees and talking about dedicated 
>> volunteers that do not exist :) We are so small that we do not need any 
>> committees for anything. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Caryl Bigenho]

Dave, 
Actually we have a number of people among the SugarLabs membership with 
experience in successful fund raising through grants. I am one of them. Sora 
Edwards is another. I'm sure there are other people who would be willing to 
work together (a committee or whatever we decide to call it) to constantly 
search all possible funding sources and team up to draft quality proposals that 
will be successful.
If you don't like the word committee, Dave, that is your business. But that is 
how things get done!
If someone reading this has done some grant writing or thinks they would enjoy 
helping seek out and develop proposals for SugarLabs… let's get together and be 
a "Committee!" The key word here is "enjoy."
Caryl
P.S. The grants written by me and by Sora were not written for SugarLabs. 

From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:14:35 -0600
Subject: Re: A Better Idea...
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"Nickel and dimeing" members doesn't seem to be a viable option
For me, neither does making up committees and talking about dedicated 
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[IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks…
"Nickel and dimeing" members doesn't seem to be a viable option. Not enough 
funds would be raised for all the wonderful things Dave (and many others) 
envision. Having an easy means for patrons to donate would be wonderful. But, 
the best way to raise funds for projects is probably through an active 
"Development Committee" similar to those used by educational institutions and 
other non-profits.
So, you may ask, what is a Development Committee and what do they do? As the 
fundraising arm of the organization, it is tasked with seeking out funding 
sources. For SugarLabs that might be mostly through competitive grants. 
We have missed out on some important ones already, such as: 
the Adult Literacy X-Prize (1)… team sign ups closed last December 15 and 
the Global Learning X-Prize (2), (which seems a perfect fit for Sugar Labs) 
closed in April of 2015
And, what was SLOB doing when these opportunities came and went? In 2015 they 
were concerned with GCI, the election, GSOC, Turtle Arts Days, etc. and in 2014 
it was more of the same. Nothing about funding opportunities!
 I can't believe we totally missed the Global Learning one. It was such a good 
fit that I know we could have done very well. We need a team of dedicated 
volunteers to continually search for new opportunities, such as these, that 
would be a good fit. It should be organized  with a volunteer chairperson and 
volunteer members who would continuously be on the look out for possible grant 
opportunities and discuss them using whatever platform they choose to use. The 
chairperson, or a designee, could report at the monthly meetings what they had 
found… either "nothing" or "X, Y, and Z."
The board could decide to approve or disapprove moving forward with any of 
these opportunities with a simple floor motion.
Caryl






(1) http://adultliteracy.xprize.org
(2) http://learning.xprize.org
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar/OLPC Relations

[Caryl Bigenho]

Could a small external battery pak, like we see so many of these days, be used 
to power an XO? You would need a suitable cable.
Caryl

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:43 PM, Samuel Greenfeld  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>> Sam, I am eager to learn what you personally think the date should be :)
> 
> My personal answer (at least in past private discussions) has been to end 
> support sometime in 2020.
> 
> The logic behind that being:
> OLPC no longer makes any batteries compatible with the XO-1 (or any unit 
> prior to the XO-4).  By 2020 the existing battery stock for older XOs should 
> be pretty much dead.
> 
> It may be possible to convince Paul Fox or someone to write "compatible" 
> embedded controller firmware which charges multiple types of batteries 
> sub-optimally given the limited EC flash space available.  But that would 
> require the more general availability of replacement batteries.
> 
> Support for i586 CPUs is starting to leave mainline Linux distributions.  
> Note Debian's recent announcement about processors supported in Jessie but 
> not Stretch.
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg1.html {The AMD 
> Geode LX in XO-1's is a MediaGX derivative}
> 
> The somewhat odd processor in XO-1s has had a history of throwing illegal 
> instruction errors whenever someone compiled a library incorrectly, or a 
> just-in-time compiler took advantage of an instruction the CPU lacked.
> 
> Other Linux distributions such as RHEL/CentOS have gone 64-bit only.
> 
> Experiments have been made, but no big push has been made to update XOs 
> beyond Fedora 18, which hit end-of-life in early 2014.  This requires kernel 
> work to fix upstreamed drivers (XO-1 & 1.5) & more kernel work to upstream & 
> port non-upstreamed drivers (XO-1.75 & 4).
> 
> The alternative is to port an older systemd forward; potentially an equally 
> annoying headache.
> 
> By 2020 one would hope Sugar is targeting the latest & most appropriate 
> platform of the day, and not restricting itself to capabilities invented 15 
> years ago.
> 
> 
>> Fair enough. I've schedule a chat with Leah at OLPC in a couple of weeks, 
>> and I'll keep you all posted on what I can find out. 
> 
> If there is a reason to go to OLPC's Miami office again I don't have an issue 
> with that.  I was there in October, and as far as I know I'm still on good 
> terms with them.
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Re: [IAEP] Personal comments on the Sugar 2016 Vision proposal

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi…
I think Sam is asking some really good, but difficult, questions which is 
exactly what SugarLabs needs. We do need, as he suggests, an overall Vision 
Statement (SugarLabs Goals) and more specific objectives to be met to achieve 
those goals (education-eze, sorry folks).
He also makes some very, very good observations on the directions we should be 
heading in light of the actual state of XOs and Sugar use in general. So often 
it seems SugarLabs is chasing history rather than looking to the future.
Why can't we start with a vision statement that outlines some broad overall 
goals? Then we can go on to develop some specific achievable objectives that 
include (as all objectives must… education-eze again) : What will be 
accomplished, by Whom, When, using What Tools, and How will the Success be 
Measured?
A good place to start would be to answer as many of Sam's questions as possible 
so we have a clear idea of what is possible and what we can expect to be 
working with in the future. Then make the Vision Statement based on the result 
of the overview and fill in with both short term and long term goals.
Caryl


From: sam...@greenfeld.org
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:00:55 -0400
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: [IAEP] Personal comments on the Sugar 2016 Vision proposal

I don't know if I will be able to make the meeting tomorrow; I am not really in 
a position to monitor IRC while at work.

Reading the proposed Vision statement[*] we seem to be confusing a Vision 
Statement (which tends to be short & high level) with a detailed list of goals 
that Sugar Labs should try to accomplish this year.

[*] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016

That said:
The goals need to be based on the level of volunteer and professional support 
Sugar Labs expects to have, and not just be everyone's wish list.

A definite end-of-life date needs to put on XO-1 support.  As time goes on, it 
will take more work to backport things to work properly on its processor 
(lacking certain i686 CPU instructions) and its 256 MB of RAM.  Unless Sugar & 
its apps will support a wide range of underlying library versions {good for 
cross-distro work}, those will have to be backported as well.

Before Sugar Labs purchases any XO-4s, OLPC's and Quanta's end-of-life dates 
for the product need to be determined, along with expected purchase demand.  

The design is now 3 years old.  If Marvell stops making the processors, or 
another battery manufacturer decides to stop making the XO's irregular battery 
size again, Sugar Labs could have a lot of undesired stock on hand.

Do not limit Sugar to any particular technology on Chrome OS.  Schools are 
purchasing Chromebooks *because* they can be locked down to a known set of 
applications.  Many districts may be unwilling to put them in development mode 
so Sugar can be used.  Development mode and/or "rooting" the device may cause 
other programs they use for testing, etc., to refuse to work.

If Sugar is to be accepted by larger school districts, it needs to fit their 
enterprise software model of deployment.  This includes potentially the 
Tivoization of Sugar, however contradictory that may be with the GPLv3.

If you nag for funding persistently the way the vision currently describes, I 
think Sugar Labs is more likely to lose members than gain any funding.  Asking 
quarterly (like Public TV stations in the US) could be appropriate.

I do not see a goal to get Sugar more widely used in schools.  This may require 
having someone create detailed guides describing how Sugar can be integrated 
with various state curriculums, similar to work Claudia and Mellisa did for 
OLPC-A.  

There may be software tweaks required to make school districts (and not just 
individual schools) happy as well.

Has Sugar Labs given up on expanding its presence in larger/US-style school 
districts, or is this just an oversight?



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions A & B for Tomorrow

[Caryl Bigenho]

OK….
It has been asked why do we need to have incidental expenses under a certain 
amount approved by the Financial Manager (and larger amounts approved by the 
board).  Up until now, some people have spent funds and asked for permission to 
do so later. While most of these expenses were legitimate and would probably 
have been approved right away, we have seen incidences of reluctance of the 
SLOB to approve some expeditures that were made without prior consulting. Don't 
ask for specific examples. If you want an example, read through past SLOB 
meetings and you will find them.
Almost every orgainzation I know of, be it public, private, for profit, or non 
profit has a proceedure like this to handle small expenses without having to 
bring them to a full vote of their boards. Why would this be? What are the 
advantages of having a procedute for "petty cash" type expenses?
Here are just a few reasons:
Efficiency: Being able to spend needed small amounts of money without full SLOB 
approval at a monthly meeting allows things to move ahead smoothly and reduces 
the "clutter" at meetings.
Flexibility: If meeting were weekly rather than monthly there might be no need 
for this proposal. However, with a once a month meeting with an over-full 
agenda, there is no flexibility to move quickly on opportunities that come up.
Economy: money may be saved by getting a "second opinion" on an expenditure. 
The Financial Manager may know of sources that are less expensive or of other 
ways to do something that will cost less. We saw this when Samson got help with 
his proposal for expenses for his translation project. It could apply to any 
expense. We need to be good stewards of SugarLabs funds.
Compliance: The Software Freedom Foundation wants more accountability re: 
spending of SugarLabs funds. This will help achieve that goal. This is, 
perhaps, the most important reason listed here.
I could probably go on with more and I'm sure many of you know of other good 
reasons that we could add but, I think these are excellent arguments in favor 
of allowing small amounts of $Y with approval of the Financial Manager and 
reporting monthly to the SLOB. (with Y set by SLOB and revised as seen fit).
Cheers!CAryl 


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Re: [IAEP] Motions A & B for Tomorrow

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Dave...

I think most motions are dealt with at SLOB meetings. That is why there is such 
a "log jam." Often motions are made more or less "off the cuff" and need a lot 
of revision before they can be voted on. But meeting time is used up discussing 
them anyway. 

Sometimes there is a time constraint (as there was for Samson's translation 
project). He got help with a revision and it was voted on between meetings 

The motions in the pdf are essentially the same as the ones posted before in 
the doc. The only major change was to go back to $Y as the amount for 
incidental expenses, thus allowing the SLOB to set the amount now and change it 
easily as needed. This follows the example (Walter's or your idea?) of setting 
the FM's compensation initially at $0 with the ability of the SLOB to change it 
as needed.

Your motions are on the agenda so I assume you will see them tomorrow.

Caryl

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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I thought you already posted these motions 12 days ago in the thread "2 
> Motions Ready (or Not)" - and I also posted my 2 motions recently. 
> 
> I thought motions could be passed and voted on at any time?
> 
> Will the motions posted a while ago be voted on? Or did they lapse?
> 
> 
>> On 2 June 2016 at 07:51, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> Many thanks to those of you (especially Dave Crossland) who have helped 
>> refine these two motions so that they are relatively simple and easy to use 
>> (See attached for final versions). It is my hope that they will help 
>> SugarLabs move forward in a more efficient, smooth, and transparent fashion. 
>> They are designed to accomplish the following:
>> 
>> Allow small expenditures without the need for SLOB action
>> Provide compensation for the Financial Manager (FM) as deemed appropriate
>> Assure that requests for funding of projects are in order before they are 
>> formally presented to SLOB
>> Reduce the congestion at meetings with just one person, the FM, presenting 
>> requests for funds to the SLOB
>> 
>> Those of you who have helped so much with drafting the final version of 
>> these motions will notice that I have reset the amount for small requests to 
>> $Y, providing the ability of the SLOB to set this amount initially and 
>> adjust it as needed over time.
>> 
>> I am currently in the Dallas area for our older granddaughter's high school 
>> graduation which has all sorts of events all week. I will do all I can to 
>> "attend" tomorrow's meeting. If I'm not there, you all (Texas speak) will 
>> know why.
>> 
>> Caryl
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions A & B for Tomorrow

[Caryl Bigenho]

Part of this seems like a very silly discussion on this day and age. If, as in 
Walter's example, Bernie needs to spend $Y to keep things running he can simply 
send a text message to the FM. No big deal!

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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Walter Bender  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2 June 2016 at 10:17, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>> I guess I don't really understand what you mean by functional vs divisional 
>>> in the case of SL.
>> 
>> Its about accounting more than anything else; in a divisional org, each 
>> division has its own "Profits and Losses" statements, but in a functional 
>> org, there is only one.
>>  
>>> The teams are functional and are the people in the community closest to the 
>>> issues they are dealing with.
>> 
>> Sure!!! :) I'm not saying anything is dysfunctional; the word 'functional' 
>> is used in the context of org theory in a very specific 'technical' way.  
>>  
>>> Giving Bernie the ability to run to Microcenter to buy a connector to keep 
>>> the servers running makes sense. Asking Bernie to speak with Person X to 
>>> ask permission to do the same makes no sense. Having Bernie submit receipts 
>>> to Person X to submit to the Conservancy makes sense.
>> 
>> I agree with all that, and would add: Having Bernie submit receipts to the 
>> Conservancy makes no sense.
>> 
>> The motion as drafted in the PDF above does not require Bernie to speak with 
>> Person X to ask permission to buy things under $Y; it does mean that Person 
>> X _could_ disapprove the spending, but I don't think we should worry about 
>> that. If push came to shove, Bernie could get SLOB to approve it directly. 
> 
> This last statement makes no sense to me.  Bernie "does not" need to ask 
> permission but his purchase may be "disapproved"? Or is the intention to 
> *add* another person separate from any concrete goals within the organization 
> some unilateral spending privileges?  If the latter, what problem are we 
> solving?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheers
>> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
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