PR: Bunch of IBM Software Announcements This Week

2007-12-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Here are some items that I found interesting. 1. WebSphere Dashboard Framework, already available for z/OS, now also available for Linux on z: http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/9/897/ENUS207-329/ENUS207329.PDF Dashboard Framework lets you build attractive and useful Web dashboards, e.g.

Re: curiousity: why CONFIG instead of VARY?

2007-12-06 Thread R.S.
Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Radoslaw, Try F OMVS,SHUTDOWN instead. It works for me... Yes, I've been using the above for quite few years. However I remember times, when F BPXOINIT was the only option. BTW: AFAIK F OMVS,SHUTDOWN do (close) more things than F BPXOINIT, and it is required in order

3380 vs 3390 (was: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:( )

2007-12-06 Thread Greg Price
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Ummm. Imagine the effect on a dusty JCL deck which said, DD SPACE=(CYL,100). But perhaps not. ISTM that SMS or DYNALLOC (or maybe even ISPF) sometimes adjusts my requested SPACE to account for the difference between 3380 and 3390. I believe there was a panel in the

Re: curiousity: why CONFIG instead of VARY?

2007-12-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
TCAM is history Maybe in Europe; IIRC, it's still marketted in the USA. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Greg Price
Hi. It is my recollection that when MVS/XA first came out the usual suspect group of non-VSAM I/O macors (GET/PUT/READ/WRITE/CHECK etc.) could not be issued when AMODE was 31. Now-a-daze AMODE can be 31 when issuing these macros, and this has been the case for years. My question for those with

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Roland Schiradin
Hi Greg, OPEN/CLOSE support AMODE 31 since DFP 2.3 (FMID HDP2230) PUT/GET support AMODE 31 since DFSMS 1.1 (FMID JDZ1110). This was the first release of DFSMS. Roland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

HFS storage efficiency query

2007-12-06 Thread John Compton
Over the past year or so, I've seen various mentions of HFS with regard to it being a poor way to store data in terms of disk space utilization. Please can anyone tell me if that is actually true? If I have a file that occupies 1GB file in 'normal' space, how much more disk would I need to store

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:41:59 +1100 Greg Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :It is my recollection that when MVS/XA first came out the usual suspect :group of non-VSAM I/O macors (GET/PUT/READ/WRITE/CHECK etc.) :could not be issued when AMODE was 31. :Now-a-daze AMODE can be 31 when issuing these

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Greg Price
Roland Schiradin wrote: Hi Greg, OPEN/CLOSE support AMODE 31 since DFP 2.3 (FMID HDP2230) PUT/GET support AMODE 31 since DFSMS 1.1 (FMID JDZ1110). This was the first release of DFSMS. Roland Hmm, that would seem to put the non-SVC macro upgrade around the SP4.3 to SP5.1 time frame.

Re: Batch Job to Eject Cartridge(s)

2007-12-06 Thread Arturo
Thank you all for your suggestions/recommendations. I used this suggestion. //JOBNAMEX JOB 'EJECT CART ',MSGCLASS=Q,NOTIFY=SYSUID, // MSGLEVEL=(1,1),CLASS=A //ARTRMM EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,REGION=0M,DYNAMNBR=10 //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*

Re: Anyone else see the Waffle Dinges man on TV this morning?

2007-12-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip- Actually, we don't speak Belgian over here. We speak mainly Dutch or French and the Dutch word 'Dinges' is not really a synonym for 'toppings'. It's a word you use when you don't immediately find the right word for something. English equivalents :

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Mulder) writes: But actually it did not take decades, as the original release of MVS/XA in 1982 functionally supported 16-way SMP. Of

Re: Anyone else see the Waffle Dinges man on TV this morning?

2007-12-06 Thread Doc Farmer
I've spoken Flemish before. The Robitussin always cleared that up, though. On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:11:44 -0600, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Flemish also used in some areas of Belgium? Or is it pretty much a dead language? Do the Walloons have a separate language?

Re: z800 to z9

2007-12-06 Thread Patrick Falcone
I would be reluctant to move to a 2 way from a uni and potentially cut my rating by CP by half. I wouldn't want to be taking the calls when peak hits. I'm not comfortable with taking a .2 second CPU transaction and making it possibly a .4 second CPU transaction. Most likely there is also some

how much difference is between deploying a j2ee application in Z/Os and in windows?

2007-12-06 Thread legolas wood
Hi thank you for reading my post. Can some one please let me know how much different is between deploying an application into websphere application server installed in Z/OS and an application server installed in windows or linux? What are the main area of risks when we migrate from windows to

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#76 T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#76 T3 Sues IBM To Break its

Re: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:(

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John P. Baker Using the current track size, the space on a volume can theoretically reach 244 TB. If we use the full capabilities of ECKD architecture, a single volume can accommodate 72,055 PB. Who would live

Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files

2007-12-06 Thread Gary DiPillo
Doug, When you FTP'd the data set from the Windows machine to the z/OS machine, did you either preallocate the target data set or specify the data set attributes (LRECL, RECFM) with the QUOTE SITE command? The z/OS FTP server defaults might not be right for the TERSED files. A few months

Re: OK - where is the FM to R? System REXX?

2007-12-06 Thread Shane
One Jon Nolting wrote: You might also want to check chapter 31 of: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/iea2a880/31.8?SHELF=EZ2ZO10J.bksDT=20070429011913 Jon Nolting EPG Compete - CATM Enterprise Technology Architect Seems a few Technology Architects are popping up

Re: Anyone else see the Waffle Dinges man on TV this morning?

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Marc Wambeke On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:17:44 -0500, Ed Philbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dinges is Belgian(?) for the waffle toppings. He is Belgian. EdP Actually, we don't speak Belgian over here. We

Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
Hi, Running z/OS 1.8 from ADCD on a FlexEs box. We are about to enable remote external access to our z/OS system. Security is lousy as it is. The network router does port forwarding for Telnet to our z/OS system. That brings up the ADCD default login screen, which on its own offers no

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Clement Clarke
Hi everyone, There were so many good ideas that I didn't send the letter. (Gosh, I was sorely tempted though...) I think it is a great idea to have many people sign it (which is why I had And... And..) under my signature. And to get Share involved it GREAT. So... onwards, ever onwards.

Re: how much difference is between deploying a j2ee application in Z/Os and in windows?

2007-12-06 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. Hi, Running z/OS 1.8 from ADCD on a FlexEs box. We are about to enable remote external access to our z/OS system. Security is lousy as it is. The network router does port

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Patrick Falcone
I lobbied against getting rid of Roscoe, Wylbur was already gone, for the COBOL developers a while back when management wanted to go purely TSO. At that time, with storage resources at somewhat of a minimum, I just could not see getting rid of Roscoe. We kept it but I still had my trials and

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:27:45 -0600 Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Running z/OS 1.8 from ADCD on a FlexEs box. :We are about to enable remote external access to our z/OS system. Security :is lousy as it is. The network router does port forwarding for Telnet to our :z/OS

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Roger Bowler
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:35:38 -, Phil Payne wrote: IBM has already formally stated its position. Except that they haven't. All information we have about IBM's supposed position on Hercules is entirely based on hearsay. Prove me wrong. If it isn't available online, you can send me a jpeg of the

Re: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:(

2007-12-06 Thread R.S.
Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John P. Baker Using the current track size, the space on a volume can theoretically reach 244 TB. If we use the full capabilities of ECKD architecture, a single volume can accommodate 72,055 PB.

Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files

2007-12-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:30:33 +0800, Johnny Luo wrote: BINARY mode itself is not enough. 'quote stru r' is what you need. Not necessary for TERSEd files. And of no help to the OP, who now has the data only on the Windows server. On Dec 6, 2007 11:33 AM, Doug Evans wrote: system using FTP. For

Re: Anyone else see the Waffle Dinges man on TV this morning?

2007-12-06 Thread Corneel Booysen
One of the dialects of Flemish/Dutch is Afrikaans and that language is alive and well! Goeie dag. (Good day) Corneel Booysen. Winn-Dixie Stores, Inc. 5050 Edgewood Ct, Jacksonville, FL 32254 Phone: (904) 783-5517 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:(

2007-12-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 04:06:58 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: However, if you specify allocation in terms of blocks blocksize, what does it matter? That's a BIG IF at a lot of locations. I don't believe it was proposed that IBM end marketing of 3390 geometry; only that an alternative be made

2007 Book Suggestions?

2007-12-06 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
I have some money left in my book budget for the year. Anyone have any suggestions on good books (in the IT topic realm, of course) they have seen or heard of? I'm thinking of these: Everything Is Miscellaneous: The Power of the New Digital Disorder (Hardcover)

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Clement Clarke
Roger Bowler wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:35:38 -, Phil Payne wrote: Where I *do* agree with you, on the other hand, is the futility of writing to Sam Palmisano, coupled with the inadvisability of citing Hercules as justification. However, both you and I have been known to be wrong in

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:28:59 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote: When the GET/PUT macro was changed from an L to an SLR/ICM pair. I've done no assembler programming lately. Do I read this as maintaining the restriction that the control blocks referenced must reside below the Line? sigh We're

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Ron Wells
Maybe more to the point...we ... userscan help in the development ..supply real life enhancements if given the chance.. suggestions and etc..--like at share--does work...but comes slow...if we had the opportunity to contribute REAL code changes I think a much can come of it and also keep

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
Our old Cisco router does not contain VPN functionality. As for changing application names, or, John Chase's suggested CICS modifications, we want a universal solution above logging in to applications. On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:48:09 +0200, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not activate

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Bowler Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:35:38 -, Phil Payne wrote: SNIP

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. Our old Cisco router does not contain VPN functionality. As for changing application names, or, John Chase's suggested CICS modifications, we want a universal solution above

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
Paul Gilmartin wrote: I've done no assembler programming lately. Do I read this as maintaining the restriction that the control blocks referenced must reside below the Line? All control blocks pointed to by other control blocks via 24-bit pointers must be below 16MB. -- Edward E Jaffe

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect Hi, Running z/OS

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Kirk Wolf
Routers are pretty cheap - you can even take an old PC an use the Linux Router Project or widely available Live CDs to roll your own that has full functionality, including VPN access. Some sort of VPN is really what you want if you are concerned about security - simply password-protecting TN3270

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Sebastian Welton
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:07:24 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have the ADCD setup, you could implement Netview Access Services (NVAS). If you don't have it already, you should be able to get it for no charge through the PWD program. Yep, it's there and to get it up and running

CPU usage for FTP server

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
Hi, All, Anybody know where CPU usage stats for an FTP session would be recorded? I don't see them listed in the SMF118 or SMF119 record descriptions.. I need to compare CPU consumption for FTP over SSL/TLS, with and without ICSF running. TIA, -jc-

T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Warner Mach
I think it is time to 'get tough' on this issue of laptop mainframes. In the letter to Sam Palmisano we should threaten a mass migration of mainframe professionals over to 'Waffle Dinges.' (Will the Waffle Dinges guy franchise out his business?).

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Sebastian Welton On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:07:24 -0600, Chase, John wrote: If you have the ADCD setup, you could implement Netview Access Services (NVAS). If you don't have it already, you should be able to

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:58:24 -0600 Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Our old Cisco router does not contain VPN functionality. One more choice. Hang a windows machine (or something else that can do VPN) off of the router (direct the VPN port to that machine) and enable VPN on

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Roger Bowler
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:03:27 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: What you have said would be a very interesting thing to be cross-examined in court. If, indeed, Hercules is NOT based on TIDA/TILA (second one I don't remember), but is based on other NON-Confidential information, then PSI et al, are in a

Re: CPU usage for FTP server

2007-12-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CPU usage for FTP server Hi, All, Anybody know where CPU usage stats for an FTP session would

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Warner Mach I think it is time to 'get tough' on this issue of laptop mainframes. In the letter to Sam Palmisano we should threaten a mass migration of mainframe professionals over to 'Waffle Dinges.' (Will the

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:27:40 -0600 Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:28:59 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote: :When the GET/PUT macro was changed from an L to an SLR/ICM pair. :I've done no assembler programming lately. Do I read this as :maintaining the restriction that

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warner Mach Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly I think it is time to 'get tough' on this issue of

Re: Punched cards was: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:(

2007-12-06 Thread Howard Brazee
On 5 Dec 2007 12:39:03 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick O'Keefe) wrote: Furthermore, no one even reported the disappearance of 20 cars. ... Maybe they were not willing to admit why they had 20 car-loads of cards in the first place. That's a LOT of cards to write notes on. There was a society

Re: Punched cards was: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:(

2007-12-06 Thread Howard Brazee
On 5 Dec 2007 16:23:59 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) wrote: Maybe they were not willing to admit why they had 20 car-loads of cards in the first place. That's a LOT of cards to write notes on. Paat: I was thinking that they ended up as fuel for heating. I don't think you could make

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Bowler Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly SNIP Looks like PSI have already spotted this angle: see

Re: Punched cards was: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:(

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee On 5 Dec 2007 12:39:03 -0800, Patrick O'Keefe wrote: Furthermore, no one even reported the disappearance of 20 cars. ... Maybe they were not willing to admit why they had 20 car-loads of cards

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 12/6/2007 5:29:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know how much, if any, of the underlying code had problems. I remember changing the region size for IDCAMS and LKED with XA 'cause they had been 'fixed'.

Re: CPU usage for FTP server

2007-12-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chase, John Hi, All, Anybody know where CPU usage stats for an FTP session would be recorded? I don't see

Re: No z/OS UNIX Support in System REXX?

2007-12-06 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:12:13 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IEF196I IGD103I SMS ALLOCATED TO DDNAME SYS00110 ICH408I JOB(AXR04 ) STEP(AXR04 ) CL(PROCESS ) OMVS SEGMENT NOT DEFINED Anyone got this to work? ... From z/OS 1.9 MVS Programming: Authorized Assembler Services Guide

Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files

2007-12-06 Thread Zaromil Tisler
Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? Using Windows as a client and z/OS as a server the following works for me for tersed datasets (binary ftping in both directions): ftp quote site lrecl=1024 recfm=fb blksize=6144 200 SITE command was

Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files

2007-12-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
When I use DFDSS to download a volume or dataset(s) to be transferred to another host, I always include BLKSIZE=32760 on the output file in DFDSS. Even though DFDSS does not care, it does help my transfer process whether that is NDM, XCOM, FTP. If you terse the file you need to make sure you

Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files

2007-12-06 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: Doug Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files I need to move on zOS system to another. My simply plan was to dump datasets using DFDSS DUMP and then transferring

Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files

2007-12-06 Thread Doug Evans
Thanks Gary (and others), I think I forgot to mention though is that in this case, the DUMP data set was not TERSED first- thus the problem Thanks, Doug. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Jon Brock
No, I'm going for the popcorn franchise for all those people watching this play out. Jon snip I think it is time to 'get tough' on this issue of laptop mainframes. In the letter to Sam Palmisano we should threaten a mass migration of mainframe professionals over to 'Waffle Dinges.' (Will

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Doc Farmer
Will you serve the popcorn with Dinges? On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:06:28 -0500, Jon Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm going for the popcorn franchise for all those people watching this play out. Jon snip I think it is time to 'get tough' on this issue of laptop mainframes. In the letter to

Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Phil Payne
Belated birthday greetings. Hmm. I grant you that untrammeled access to source code _can_ result in disasters. But - IMO - user access to source code made ASP/JES3 (thanks, e.g., to Rolls-Royce and Rank Xerox) and many other products into what they are today. Would JES2/MAS have been

Re: No z/OS UNIX Support in System REXX?

2007-12-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: From z/OS 1.9 MVS Programming: Authorized Assembler Services Guide Chapter 31. System REXX Neither the TSO=YES or TSO=NO environments support UNIX System Services host commands. That doesn't exactly explain why the lack of support should result in that RACF error, but

T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Phil Payne
I can guess who suggested this ... Bet you can't. Entirely internal to Amdahl - remember I worked there seven years and had Amdahl as a client for another eight. Looks like PSI have already spotted this angle ... I posted that reference yesterday evening - do at least try to keep up. The

TPX Acl/e Code and Dispatch

2007-12-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Does any kind soul out there have a DISPATCH logon script for TPX ACL/E language? I am running into issues and cannot seem to get my arms around a solution. I have one user that seems to be already logged on but when we look they are not logged on to DISPATCH. My script works for everyone

Re: [spam] Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread R.S.
Phil Payne wrote: Belated birthday greetings. Hmm. I grant you that untrammeled access to source code _can_ result in disasters. Any example ? OK, I'am aware of one: Wide open code could mean more holes/errors disclosed. It also could mean more errors FIXED. Not to mention more

Re: No z/OS UNIX Support in System REXX?

2007-12-06 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:18:28 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Patrick! I looked all over the place for that official statement! I've had a PMR opened with IBM since yesterday and even they haven't even been able to tell me this yet! It appears that System REXX does not

Re: [spam] Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:23:21 +0100, R.S. wrote: Phil Payne wrote: I grant you that untrammeled access to source code _can_ result in disasters. Any example ? I think the key words in Phil's post are untrammeled and can. He went on to describe the benefits. -- Tom Marchant

Re: [spam] Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Bob Shannon
I grant you that untrammeled access to source code _can_ result in disasters. Any example ? Sure. The thousands of in-stream usermods that were written prior to XA, and which greatly inhibited subsequent upgrades. I certainly agree that in the early days usermods were written to overcome

Re: Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [spam] Open z/Architecture or Not I grant you that untrammeled access to source code _can_

Re: TPX Acl/e Code and Dispatch

2007-12-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:19:21 -0500, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does any kind soul out there have a DISPATCH logon script for TPX ACL/E language? I am running into issues and cannot seem to get my arms around a solution. I have one user that seems to be already logged on but when we

Re: Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Dec 6, 2007 at 2:53 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- But isn't that a managerial failure, rather than a technical failure? I don't see that as a failure of either group involved. At the time, many of those mods were necessary, and the

Re: [spam] Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Howard Brazee
On 6 Dec 2007 11:23:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote: I grant you that untrammeled access to source code _can_ result in disasters. Any example ? OK, I'am aware of one: Wide open code could mean more holes/errors disclosed. It also could mean more errors FIXED. Not to mention more

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Stephen Y Odo
Ron Wells wrote: Maybe more to the point...we ... userscan help in the development ..supply real life enhancements if given the chance.. suggestions and etc..--like at share--does work...but comes slow...if we had the opportunity to contribute REAL code changes I think a much can come

Re: [spam] Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Bob Shannon wrote: Some, such as logical swap, were incorporated into MVS. Others, such as the dual master catalog mod at a large US insurance company, proved to be a nightmare to maintain and an even worse nightmare to remove. AMEN Bob. Although usermods did have their up side, especially the

Re: TPX Acl/e Code and Dispatch

2007-12-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
I can emulate the problem by using two different IDs to logon to TPX Sessions and logging on with the same id in Dispatch. So TPX Session one is logged on as USER1 adn TPX Session two is logged on as USER2. I then logon to DISPATCH under both TPX sessions as USER1. This creates the error

Re: TPX Acl/e Code and Dispatch

2007-12-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:23:15 -0500, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can emulate the problem by using two different IDs to logon to TPX Sessions and logging on with the same id in Dispatch. So TPX Session one is logged on as USER1 adn TPX Session two is logged on as USER2. I then logon

Re: Forcing a userid and password prompt on session connect

2007-12-06 Thread Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
From what I can see, NVAS is not included wit ADCD. See: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/'HTTPD2.adcd.global.html (readm18s)'#Header_4 Is that correct? Jerry On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:07:24 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: [spam] Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 12/6/2007 1:23:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I'am aware of one: Wide open code could mean more holes/errors disclosed. It also could mean more errors FIXED. Not to mention more suggestions to enhance it. What's better ? Back when the

Re: Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Shannon) writes: Sure. The thousands of in-stream usermods that were written prior to XA, and which greatly inhibited subsequent upgrades.

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Tony Harminc
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:28:56 +0900, Clement Clarke wrote: There were so many good ideas that I didn't send the letter. (Gosh, I was sorely tempted though...) I think it is a great idea to have many people sign it (which is why I had And... And..) under my signature. And to get Share involved it

Common Dataspace

2007-12-06 Thread Roland Schiradin
Hi, I have an application which require a common dataspace. Not a big issue so far but I don't want to start/write a STC just to hold the CADS so I schedule a SRB to *MASTER* and create the CADS undercover for this ASID. This works also and I also provide a utility to delete this dataspace.

Re: TPX Acl/e Code and Dispatch

2007-12-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
It is just odd that I only have one user that has this duplicate logon issue. No one else here is reporting it. I am trying to get more users on TPX. And hopefully we can see if this is isolated or not. Well, we have IPLs scheduled for this weekend so I will see if monday it is cleared up.

Re: TPX Acl/e Code and Dispatch

2007-12-06 Thread tony babonas
are you a Top Secet shop? If so, check the parameters for the facility involved, specifically SIGN(M) or SIGN(S) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:51 PM To:

Re: Open z/Architecture or Not

2007-12-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. Anne Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The OCO-wars (object code only) in the early 80s were somewhat turbulent. re:

Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

2007-12-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Certainly OCO marched on, with IBM and the world the poorer for it. I used to believe that until the memory of the number of usermods caused great delays in upgrades and the implementation of new function. I remember one ex-IBMer becoming an Operations Manager just about a year befor XA was

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-06 Thread Rob Scott
Roland, I have heard of other products that do this sort of thing - however it makes me feel uneasy and personally I would try to avoid it. Your program that sneaked in that CADS is never going to be above suspicion for any system problems when an IPCS dump reveals it looking like some huge

Re: Punched cards was: IBM RAMAC now an URBAN Legend:(

2007-12-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip--- Furthermore, no one even reported the disappearance of 20 cars. ... Maybe they were not willing to admit why they had 20 car-loads of cards in the first place. That's a LOT of cards to write notes on. There was a society in

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-06 Thread Shane Ginnane
I have heard of other products that do this sort of thing - however it makes me feel uneasy and personally I would try to avoid it. Your program that sneaked in that CADS is never going to be above suspicion for any system problems when an IPCS dump reveals it looking like some huge zit on

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-06 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Roland, While the SRB to MASTER approach may be taken by a number of IBM products (DB2 and RACF come to mind), for a vendor product, I would have to agree with Rob and Shane, do it the right way, if only to save yourself having to deal with calls from IBM if there is an abend in the MASTER address

Possible change to MCSOPER processing

2007-12-06 Thread W. Kevin Kelley
We are contemplating making a change to MCSOPER processing to prevent user's from specifying a console that has been defined as a system console. (By system console, we mean the operating system console facility available through the HMC). The intent of this change would be to further protect

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-06 Thread Brian Westerman
What you want to do is perfectly safe, (so long as nothing goes wrong :) ), but the problem is that something always goes wrong, and you probably don't want to get in the middle of the finger pointing that always happens when something goes wrong. The code to support it in a separate space is not

Re: Possible change to MCSOPER processing

2007-12-06 Thread Brian Westerman
I have a problem with it. How would you decide if the act/Deact was inadvertent? What is the danger that you are trying to protect us from? I would imagine that being authorized to act/deact ought to mean that you wanted to do it int he first place. Imagine what the consequences would be

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-06 Thread Roland Schiradin
Rob, well you're right unfortunally a new STC 1. Have to be documented 2. Added to automation 3. Require a migration path for existing user 4. The SRB routine was already coded and works fine 5. other issues So using *MASTER* was much easier ok someone can say lazy. Roland Roland, I

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-06 Thread Roland Schiradin
Wayne, there is no code is in the MASTER asid. Just a SRB to create and delete the CADS no more. Roland Roland, While the SRB to MASTER approach may be taken by a number of IBM products (DB2 and RACF come to mind), for a vendor product, I would have to agree with Rob and Shane, do it the right

Re: 31-bit I/O macros - anyone remember when?

2007-12-06 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
I am pretty sure that the zLinux stuff supports above the bar. zLinux does not have neither a bar nor a line, does it? No need for it; there simply is no legacy AMODE24 code which needs compatibility support. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse

Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files

2007-12-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:30:33 +0800, Johnny Luo wrote: BINARY mode itself is not enough. 'quote stru r' is what you need. Not necessary for TERSEd files. And of no help to the OP, who now has the data only on the Windows server. On Dec 6,

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