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snip
Can SYS1.STGINDEX (VIO journaling) have secondary allocations?
/snip
AFAIK, No.
BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all?
It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not
with 3-4ms
The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do.
I agree completely. BUT: Eliminating sys1.stgindex does NOT mean that you
cannot use VIO anymore. The SYS1.STGINDEX is used for checkpoint-restart of a
VIO dataset. How many installations do checkpoint-restart for VIO? (We
certainly don't. I eliminated
Hal Merritt writes:
The OP asked how to evaluate and quantify the risks of being
unsupported. The consensus seems to be that the risks are minimal.
If that's the consensus, I'll dissent at least somewhat.
If you were to draw a graph with risk plotted on the Y axis and time
plotted on the X axis,
Is this that simple? The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do. With VIO you
have a good chance to keep all data in storage, depending on the amount of
real storege, your UIC and your paging. But in modern systems I think you have
a good chance to eliminate all I/O with VIO datasets.
Remember,
Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Is this that simple? The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do. With
VIO you have a good chance to keep all data in storage, depending on the
amount of real
But even so: the ROT is(was) if an instruction takes a second, an I/O takes 2
weeks.
Could 1 ms I/O responsetime even come near the break-even piont?
Considering that there is more than one instruction in the I/O path.
Considering that VIO's CPU requirement is larger.
Considering buffering.
The
Andy Pesce of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
wrote on 07/10/2008 04:35:10 PM:
I once found a CICS program that would display the USERID and USER Name
af
everyone signed into a CICS region. Does anyone recall where that
program
exists? I was thinking it was in one of
Gary,
WebSphere is a pretty broad term. There are a bunch of products that run
under the brand name of WebSphere. From the type of workload (java) you
are describing, it appears you maybe talking about Application Server.
Could you elaborate a little on the actual product and its version.
The last microcode upgrade was in April when we upgraded to a TS3500 with
encryption drives. Since then nothing.
At this time, without the log from the Specialist, it is unlikely we will
determine what the initiating cause. However, should this sequence of
events occur again, I will be ready.
Well, I know very little about the environment, but I will send an email
asking for more details.
Thanks.
Gary Green
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Forbid Project... I believe that was me a few weeks back. My son got a
copy from Netflix for me and after he watched it at his place, his mother
and I watched it here; on the BIG screen. ;)
Well, those thoughts sound very plausible and logical. My first thought was
memory leakage but I'm not
New applications should exploit storage above the bar as much as
possible, IMHO.
I agree with that point of view; I wish IBM would do as they say!
And what makes you think that they don't, to the extent anyone would care
(i.e., if they use private storage you should not care)? And they can't
Also, don't be afraid to engage IBM to help you find the offending piece of
code that is causing the high CPU situation. Just this week I had a
z/WebSphere app server 'suck the life out of the machine'. I took and
address space dump, opened an ETR and uploaded the dump. Within 24 hours IBM
was
Is it possible that Lindy needs to add translation tables
to ISPF?
I acknowledge my ignorance wiht this ISPF topic. I still
don't have a clue what this translation behind the various
terminal models is intended for. Is it a relict from the
time when real 3270 terminal were standard? Isn't
Assuming you are talking about WAS, it can write SMF 120 records if configured
to do so. That would be similar to the CICS SMF 110 records. That would give
you an idea of what was running during that timeframe. I would also suggest
turning on verbose GC. If you are having heap issues, that
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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: CA Jobtrac 3.5 Off Support
Sorry about the previous post -- fat fingers!
I'd rather run 3.5
Dean said:
I was told by CA that 3.5 SP7 would run fine with 1.9. We'll see we're
getting ready to start testing.
Yup. It's running fine here under 1.9.
Cheers,,,Steve
Steve Conway
Lead Systems Programmer
Information Systems Services Division
Computer Network Operations
Phone: (703)
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From: John Mattson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: IBM using more below the line storage.
IBM appears to be expanding use of storage below the 16M line,
rather than converting their own
CA-1 support is top shelf.
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Kees wrote:
snip
AFAIK, No.
BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all?
It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not
with 3-4ms (Escon/Cache) or 1 ms (FICON/Cache)
Is this that simple? The fastest I/O is the I/O you don't do. With VIO
you have a good chance to keep
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Kees wrote:
snip
AFAIK, No.
BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all?
It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not
with 3-4ms (Escon/Cache) or 1 ms (FICON/Cache)
Is this that
everyone is NOT using those damned emulators I've got 4 each 3178 dumb
terminals in my office (each config-ed for 4 sessions) each directly connected
to the m/f bmo vtam and guess who's real popular all of a sudden when
the internet access goes belly up?
this has been a good
If the tape had an error it should have been (automatically) placed in
read only status and the data migrated to another tape then ejected. If
the error was something like 'unavailable' (e.g. tape stuck or dropped)
putting it in the recovery slot should clear it. If there is any
question about
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:21:23 +, Jan Vanbrabant wrote:
Can SYS1.STGINDEX (VIO journaling) have secondary allocations?
No.
everyone is NOT using those damned emulators
You won't believe it but I was thinking about adding
a (well probably most of the people) parenthesis to
the everybody. Didn't mean to imply anything against
still using good old hardware
--
Peter Hunkeler
Credit Suisse
Here is what I think I know about such things, and also may be a clue as to why
I do not understand what is going on between my emulator and ISPF. It's also
horribly mind twisting.
First what I think happens before any fancy encoding or translations.
If I have my emulator set to CP-37 (or
On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 16:31 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Hal Merritt writes:
The OP asked how to evaluate and quantify the risks of being
unsupported. The consensus seems to be that the risks are minimal.
If that's the consensus, I'll dissent at least somewhat.
My read is that the
I have very little experience with USS on a z/OS operating system. We
only use the portions of it that the operating system uses.
We will soon be starting to roll out z/OS-1.8 to replace our current
1.6 system (yes, I know it is out of support). When reviewing the results of
I have just uploaded the following updates to http://www.lbdsoftware.com
XMITIP to version 08.07b with numerous updates (will be posted no later
than July 12)
(Do not download the 08.07a which is there now as there is a bug in the
check routine)
FTPB with a minor update to correct a bug
You mean WebSphere Application Server for z/OS, right?
It *could* be WAS V6.0x on z/OS 1.4 -- that is technically possible. WAS
V6.1x requires a higher z/OS release level, though (1.7 minimum I think).
OK, a few suggestions:
1. It sounds like there's a strong suspicion there's an application
Thank You Tim!
I'll be passing this along in about 30 seconds.
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Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Kees wrote:
snip
AFAIK, No.
BTW Why are you still doing VIO at all?
It made a lot of sense when disk access times were 17-30 ms, but not
with 3-4ms
Greetings,
Does anyone have manuals on this that they can send me? I am trying to
understand the structure and interfaces of the product.
Is anyone still running this? If so, what is the highest level of z/OS that
you
run it on?
Cheers...
Michael
The following site has links to a number of PDFs containing code page
glyphs. I.e. what is displayed (or should be) for a give code point (hex
value) for a given code page. I have downloaded 368 of them!
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/i/software/globalization/codepages.html
the sites referenced
Hi Michael,
FILE 452 on CBT from Dan contains a free STEPLIB command with source
http://www.cbttape.org/ftp/updates/CBT452.zip
http://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
http://www.cbttape.org
Best Regards,
Sam Knutson, GEICO
System z Performance and
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:41:05 -0500, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just for instructional purposes, I wrote a job step using an undefined
HLQ that failed with:
ICH408I ...
INSUFFICIENT ACCESS AUTHORITY
FROM CATALOG.**.MASTER (G)
... and tried LOOKAT ICH408I.
...snipped...
we clone our current sysres to a maint sysres, and clone current OMVS (zfs in
our case) files as service zfss, mount the service zfss
at /SERVICE/whatever, then apply the maintenance.
Once maintenance is applied, we unmount the service zFS's, then we clone
the sysres and clone the OMVS
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:30:52 -0400, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am almost ready to issue SETXCF START,MSGBASED and do this in our
test Sysplex (2 LPARs). Before we jump in I wanted to know who else has
tried this and have you seen any reduction in I/O to the couple data sets? Any
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:13:04 -0400, John Kington
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No numbers but a story from personal experience. When I first implemented
SMS, I setup a VIO storage group with a limit of about 10 cylinders on a
3390 and made any requests over 10 cylinders go to dasd. About six years
This reminds me of the Oklahoma Payroll debacle of the mid-1990's. The
primary problem there was the new non-mf system contractors never checked
the payroll data being sent to the Treasurer for check printing had the
correct formats and data. The state finally went back to the mainframe
system.
Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/11/2008
12:04:33 PM:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:13:04 -0400, John Kington
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No numbers but a story from personal experience. When I first
implemented
SMS, I setup a VIO
Tom,
No offense to you or John, but given that John Eells and Peter Relson, both
who have intimate knowledge of z/OS system internals have stated that the
PLPA requirements for IBM products have dropped from OS/390 2.10 and z/OS
1.8, I would guess that the CICS level 2 person was making something
We have a non space switching PC we use to ensure we have the required
access to a specifiable piece of storage (much like a TPROT
instruction). If we take a S0C4, our recovery routine sets appropriate
retry info in the SDWA and returns resulting in the PC getting control
where if sets a return
Our Tivoli Workload Scheduler (version 8.3) server task for
communication between z/OS-USS and the distributed platform appears to
be using excessive CPU at all times. No problem messages have been
issued/noticed.
Is anyone else running TWS 8.3 experiencing this problem? We are z/OS
1.9
David,
Have you looked at the code expansion of the SETRP RECORD=NO macro?
There should be doc on the RECORD= parameter of the SETRP macro in the
IBM manuals. If I remember correctly the RECORD= parameter is the one
you want. The macro expansion should show what updates to the SDWA are
Ray,
Yes, we looked at the SETRP RECORD=NO and all it does is turn off the
SDWARCRD bit in SDWAACF2. We checked to ensure there was proper
addressability to the SDWA examining the code generated to ensure the
proper offset etc were generated.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe
Have you tried freeing the SDWA when you return
,FRESDWA=NO
,FRESDWA=YES
Specifies that the entire SDWA be freed (YES) or not be freed (NO) before
entry into the retry routine.
Dunno if it would work, but might be worth a shot.
- Original Message -
From: David Kreiss [EMAIL
David,
Are there multiple level(s) of recovery in place? If so, is one of them
turning on the logrec recording?
Ray Overby
David Kreiss wrote:
Ray,
Yes, we looked at the SETRP RECORD=NO and all it does is turn off the
SDWARCRD bit in SDWAACF2. We checked to ensure there was proper
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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:35 PM
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Subject: CICS Program
I once found a CICS program that would display the USERID and
USER Name af
everyone
Dave,
SDWAACF2,SDWAFREE is set prior to returning with R15 set to SDWARETY.
Here is some more info. Only the failing PC invocations in the EOT exit
are causing LOGREC records. It seems Ray's comment may be the clue. I
suspect there is another level of recovery established by the system for
If there was another recovery routine established, wouldn't it be bypasssed
by you exiting your estae with a retry address, as opposed to percolating
the abend?
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Sent:
some here wrote such a program - this is the source and output:
IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAM-ID. USERLIST.
ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
DATA DIVISION.
WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
01 RECVBUFF.
05 RECV PIC X(80).
01 MSG0.
David Kreiss wrote:
Here is some more info. Only the failing PC invocations in the EOT exit
are causing LOGREC records. It seems Ray's comment may be the clue. I
suspect there is another level of recovery established by the system for
EOT exits which is turning on and/or ignoring our
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All this to say that I expect that when my emulator and ISPF are in sync that
with my emulator set to CP-278 Finnish that I could type $ (aka x'67') and it
would treat it as a $-sign even though the hex value is different from CP-37.
Code pages give me a headache,
Well, I got all of the messages about 3.5 going off support. Matter of fact
we had a planning session the first of the year and since I'm kind of the CA
guy here, my boss told me to list everything that needed upgrading, which I
did. A lot of it was CA, Librarian, TPX, CA-11, Jobtrac, etc. I ended
It's been my experience that it's much better to do as they say.
New
applications should exploit storage above the bar as much as
possible,
IMHO.
I agree with that point of view; I wish IBM would do as they say!
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
I think that many times at IBM the
When using ISPF 3.4 on a system with HSM, the migrated datasets show up
with a volser of MIGRATn. Most of the time, the user is only interested
in the active datasets (which frequently are in the minority). I can
use the filter exit to suppress the migrated entries.
I'm trying to find a way to
Barry,
The non-auth name/token services comes to mind.
Ray Overby
Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
When using ISPF 3.4 on a system with HSM, the migrated datasets show up
with a volser of MIGRATn. Most of the time, the user is only interested
in the active datasets (which frequently are in the
Dave,
We are exactly on the same page here. I know this is difficult. To summarize:
- In data it matters what the character looks like. If I write Jäätelötötterö
into a field then it needs to be the correct letters with matching hex values
depending on the code page. (As John M. pointed
Lindy Mayfield wrote:
Here's what I think now. Absolutely nothing changed. Points 1 and 2 are still
in effect. The _ONLY_ thing that changed is that ISPF knows the code page and
ZTERMCID is filled in. ISPF itself doesn't do anything with that info.
Whaat??!! Clearly, ISPF
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:21 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: How to change the ISPF code page?
Lindy Mayfield wrote:
Here's what I think now. Absolutely
Sorry that this keeps (at least for me) going round and round and round.
Please, just tell me one example of what ISPF does with a different code page.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Edward Jaffe
Sent: 11. heinäkuuta 2008
Truly I'm not trying to be argumentative in any way. Honestly I'm trying to
understand.
My emulator is set to CP-1047. I'm in ISPF with caps off. I enter this:
åä
7300
Then I turn caps on and get this:
åÄ
4644
7300
One uppercases the other doesn't.
If I do the same with my code
Lindy Mayfield wrote:
Please, just tell me one example of what ISPF does with a different code page.
When you issue the UC or LC line commands in the editor (or edit with
CAPS ON), it changes the case of the data.
--
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Phoenix Software International, Inc
5200 W Century Blvd,
Thanks Ed. Let's just all agree I'm too thick to understand this. (-:
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Sent: 12. heinäkuuta 2008 0:00
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Subject: Re: How to change the ISPF code page?
Lindy
From the section of the ISPF manual that I previously referenced:
quote
ISPF uses these translation tables:
t 2-byte input translation table
t 2-byte output translation table
t Uppercase character translation table
t Lowercase character translation table
t Valid terminal output
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My bad. The translate table is supposed to change based on the terminal
type selected in ISPF option 0.
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I very much appreciate that, John. This was my logical conclusion as well. I
simply didn't express myself correctly.
Lindy
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Dave Salt wrote:
As you can see from above, it *does* make a difference whether the emulator and
ISPF are both using the same code page or not.
ISPF is old. It was invented before the formalization of code pages. I
believe some functions use them and some do not. IIRC, code page support
You found one, Great! Great. Excellent.
Of course the instructions are now wrong because a $, @ and # would be invalid
if you used them, but that's a whole nuther issue. (-:
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Salt
I believe this also explains why it was so difficult for all of us to agree.
We all have different expectations of how things should work.
You'd think it would be (ok _I_ would think it would be) all or nothing and not
just used here and there. Makes me wonder. Will IBM get it all worked out
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISPF is old. It was invented before the formalization of code pages. I
believe some functions use them and some do not. IIRC, code page support
was originally added in ISPF 4.1 in order to facilitate ASCII to EBCDIC
translation for what was then called the ISPF GUI.
I
Ed,
After some experimentation we have certainly isolated the failure to
honor the don't record to LOGREC to when this PC takes its S0C4 in the
EOT exit. I created a slip dump of a non-EOT exit S0C4 in the PC and a
slip dump of one occurring in an EOT exit. The obvious difference is
the *RCVY
You found one, Great! Great. Excellent.
Of course the instructions are now wrong because a $, @ and # would be
invalid if you used them, but that's a whole nuther issue. (-:
LOL! I knew when I found that panel it was (in some ways) a bad example, but I
was tired of searching and it did
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/11/2008
05:48:51 PM:
Ed,
After some experimentation we have certainly isolated the failure to
honor the don't record to LOGREC to when this PC takes its S0C4 in the
EOT exit. I created a slip dump of a non-EOT exit S0C4 in the
Jim,
Thanks so much. Yes, it is true we hold the local lock. Thanks for
clearing up the cause.
Dave
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Behalf Of Jim Mulder
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:28 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re:
Just to follow up. I established a FRR in the case of holding the local
lock and the recording of LOGREC was honored. I ran 5 successive tests
and there were no LOGREC records. Normally we hit 22 per run. Thanks
to Ed Jaffe, Dave Cole and especially Jim Mulder for their assistance.
Dave
I have not used that exit, but believe that you should be able to use VPUT
and VGET services.
On each call to the exit:
1. VGET variable from SHARED pool, if it does not exist, save initial
value.
2. process as necessary
3. if some status changes, VPUT changed variable back to SHARED pool.
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