Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 93891f43642f3c419a7d75acc2b1db6f3c68cc9...@exchangemb2.dhs.state.ia.us, on 06/11/2012 at 02:58 PM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us said: Also, what is the significance of the V00 part of the qualifier? It's the version. I was always led to believe that it was a vestige of

Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread McKown, John
Perhaps I didn't get enought sleep during staff meeting, ah I mean last night. But I just had the weirdest thought enter my head. There have been many complaints about the limit of 255 entries in a GDG. Now, I won't debate that at all. But how many people who want more actually need to address

Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread Roberts, John J
But in today's world, without SCRATCH in the definition, the oldest GDG does not get scratched. It gets rolled off the GDG base and becomes a normal cataloged dataset entry. So it stays in the catalog, and can be referenced by absolute name. I wonder if this would ever be of some use

Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread Jonathan Goossen
Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/11/2012 02:46:37 PM: From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 06/11/2012 02:47 PM Subject: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG. Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Perhaps I

Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Subject: Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG. But in today's world, without SCRATCH in the definition, the oldest GDG does not get scratched. It gets rolled off the GDG base and becomes a normal cataloged dataset entry. So it stays in the catalog, and can be referenced by absolute name. I

Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread Jonathan Goossen
of a GDG. Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu But in today's world, without SCRATCH in the definition, the oldest GDG does not get scratched. It gets rolled off the GDG base and becomes a normal cataloged dataset entry. So it stays in the catalog, and can be referenced

Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread McKown, John
as GDG(-n). And it would be documented that this was a different version, in records such as SMF. I don't remember anybody ever doing it. Personally, I sort of like the UNIX way where I put the ISO date time (ISO 8601 / RFC 3339 format) as the last node. Wish I had a simplier way to do it. Note

Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-06-11 21:58, Roberts, John J pisze: But in today's world, without SCRATCH in the definition, the oldest GDG does not get scratched. It gets rolled off the GDG base and becomes a normal cataloged dataset entry. So it stays in the catalog, and can be referenced by absolute name. I

Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.

2012-06-11 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:58 -0500 on 06/11/2012, Roberts, John J wrote about Re: Weird thought on misuse of a GDG.: Also, what is the significance of the V00 part of the qualifier? I was always led to believe that it was a vestige of something that was never implemented. It allows you to create a replacement

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b4...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 05/14/2012 at 10:34 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: About as smoothly as a Baja race. I don't know anything about Baja races, but I assume from your comment that they're painful. I still have scars.

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1336770284.12924.20.camel@localhost, on 05/11/2012 at 05:04 PM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com said: So expanding the max number of generations much past 255 is problematic with the current key design. I guess IBM could walk in a new catalog format (by e.g. allowing more than one GDS

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-14 Thread McKown, John
Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ### of GDG Entries In 1336770284.12924.20.camel@localhost, on 05/11/2012 at 05:04 PM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com said: So expanding the max number of generations much past 255

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-14 Thread Mark Jacobs
On 05/13/12 14:27, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In1336770284.12924.20.camel@localhost, on 05/11/2012 at 05:04 PM, David Andrewsd...@lists.duda.com said: So expanding the max number of generations much past 255 is problematic with the current key design. I guess IBM could walk in a

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
subroutine like CBT's DYNALLOC from compiled languages. Joel C Ewing On 05/10/2012 07:41 PM, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: does it have to be a gdg? what about mod'ing onto the file then emptying it out when it's processed? back it up with a gdg with that batch job at regular intervals suggestion

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9a5727782f43d643b484c4d0dca637a303610...@dfle30.ent.ti.com, on 05/10/2012 at 08:12 PM, Donnelly, John john.p.donne...@ti.com said: We have a business application that creates literally 100s of GDGs a day; ITYM 100's of GDS's a day in the same GDG. Is there any way to create or pretend

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 11 May 2012 11:43:33 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: The suggestion to create datasets with a timestamp in the name seems like your best bet in the meantime. However, that suggestion treads perilously close to the topic of many an inflammatory thread hereabouts. -- gil

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-11 Thread McKown, John
command. I could even use the todsn command previously mentioned to emulate a GDG-ALL process to a DD which is a temp file to be read in a subsequent step. Hum, might be interesting to dust off GPSAM from the CBT and design something to do something like GDG processing of UNIX files using normal JCL

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-11 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 00:58 -0500 on 05/11/2012, Mike Schwab wrote about Re: ### of GDG Entries: We have Mobius that creates report files with the date and time as part of the file name. Huge numbers of 1 track datasets. Why not make them members of a PDS? The member name would be XDDDHHMM where X is the year

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 11 May 2012 16:16:03 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: At 00:58 -0500 on 05/11/2012, Mike Schwab wrote about Re: ### of GDG Entries: We have Mobius that creates report files with the date and time as part of the file name. Huge numbers of 1 track datasets. Why not make them members

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-11 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 11:43 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 9a5727782f43d643b484c4d0dca637a303610...@dfle30.ent.ti.com, on 05/10/2012 at 08:12 PM, Donnelly, John john.p.donne...@ti.com said: Is there any way to create or pretend to create a GDG base greater than 255

### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Donnelly, John
We have a business application that creates literally 100s of GDGs a day; please don't ask. Is there any way to create or pretend to create a GDG base greater than 255... John Donnelly Texas Instruments SVA 2900 Semiconductor Drive Santa Clara, CA 95051 408-721-5640 408-470-8364 Cell

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Staller, Allan
Short answer... NO. The data can be kept after it rolls off the GDG, but it is just a file at that point and must be referenced by the fully qualified DSN e.g. x.y.x.gvnn snip We have a business application that creates literally 100s of GDGs a day; please don't ask. Is there any way

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Williamson, James R
I really doubt it. How about creating one GDG base for each hour of the day and include the hour of the day created in the data set name? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Donnelly, John Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Sam Siegel
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Donnelly, John john.p.donne...@ti.comwrote: We have a business application that creates literally 100s of GDGs a day; please don't ask. Is there any way to create or pretend to create a GDG base greater than 255... Short answer: No. Max GDG limit is 255

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Linda
Hi John, I have had I similar GDG 'thing'. It would be helpful to know more details... In my case, we were receiving a widely varying number of reports that we were to backup and print for our customer. We scheduled the print job to run every 8 hours. The operations staff fit the actual

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Donnelly, John
, 2012 2:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ### of GDG Entries Hi John, I have had I similar GDG 'thing'. It would be helpful to know more details... In my case, we were receiving a widely varying number of reports that we were to backup and print for our customer. We scheduled the print

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-05-10 22:12, Donnelly, John pisze: We have a business application that creates literally 100s of GDGs a day; please don't ask. Is there any way to create or pretend to create a GDG base greater than 255... g NO. THE LIMIT IS 255. However... a) you can live with rolled off

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Cris Hernandez #9
does it have to be a gdg? what about mod'ing onto the file then emptying it out when it's processed? back it up with a gdg with that batch job at regular intervals suggestion.  From: Donnelly, John john.p.donne...@ti.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 20:12 + on 05/10/2012, Donnelly, John wrote about ### of GDG Entries: We have a business application that creates literally 100s of GDGs a day; please don't ask. Is there any way to create or pretend to create a GDG base greater than 255... Why not concatenate all of them daily

Re: ### of GDG Entries

2012-05-10 Thread Mike Schwab
We have Mobius that creates report files with the date and time as part of the file name. Huge numbers of 1 track datasets. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 20:12 + on 05/10/2012, Donnelly, John wrote about ### of GDG Entries: We have

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-23 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Don, I think the issue is, the zap is already on, and sites are stuck with supporting it. For them to change would be an interrogation of each job that uses GDG's. They've kept using it all these years, so clearly they don't want to tackle that. Whether or not it was a good idea is a 'moo'

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-23 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
I'm not sure what you mean by this Tom. You can create several GDG levels and refer to them via (+n) in later steps. Perhaps that wasn't available back in the day though. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-23 Thread J R
as Pinnacle. Thanks for your understanding. Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:09:06 -0600 From: maryanne4...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu I'm not sure what you mean by this Tom. You can create several GDG levels and refer to them via (+n

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-23 Thread Ken Leidner
I use to work at a shop that had such a ZAP. (I called it the million dollar zap). The main reason for the zap is to make restarting a production ABEND a no brainer. No special software to adjust the GDG numbers in a restarted job. Granted changing to or from the zap (or a parmlib or job

Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
to as the Brylane GDG mod. Does anyone else use this mod? Would this requirement be beneficial to you? I'll paste the entire requirement below. Thanks for any and all thoughts, comments, snide remarks. :) Mary Anne SSSHARE011025 Title: JOB OR STEP LEVEL GDG RESOLUTION OPTION. Description: IBM should

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Jousma, David
on the GDG IEFAB461 exit Greetings Listers. The Share requirements committee is investigating a rather old requirement, SSSHARE011025, which asks for a way to specify, whether GDG's are cataloged at Step end or Job end. There's currently a usermod floating around that does this, I believe it's

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Grinsell, Don
, 22 February 2012 11:42 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit Sounds like a slippery slope to me. Almost like allowing System symbol resolution on batch jobs. What possible benefit can

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Pinnacle
On 2/22/2012 1:43 PM, Jousma, David wrote: Sounds like a slippery slope to me. Almost like allowing System symbol resolution on batch jobs. What possible benefit can there be to this? Dave, If you need to create and reference more than 2 different generations of a GDG in a job, you

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Tom, Are you saying that in current z/OS batch I cannot read GDG (0) and create GDG (+1) in step 1, read GDG (+1) and create GDG (+2) in step 2, and then read GDG (+2) and create GDG (+3) in step 3 of the same job? Or simpler still, just create GDG's (+1), (+2) and (+3) in the same step from

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Jousma, David
@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit On 2/22/2012 1:43 PM, Jousma, David wrote: Sounds like a slippery slope to me. Almost like allowing System symbol resolution on batch jobs. What possible benefit can there be to this? Dave, If you need to create and reference

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Jousma, David
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit By slippery, I mean some of these things to think about: Given the following over simplistic

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 2/22/2012 12:35 PM, Jousma, David wrote: - how does one implement such a EXIT or PARMLIB change? To Change the behavior, requires mass change of JCL in the shop coordinated at the same time as the change, because now STEP2 SYSUT1 has to be referenced as (0), instead of (+1). Or visa

Batch Symbolic Substitution (RE: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit)

2012-02-22 Thread Bonaduce, Frank
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit Sounds like a slippery slope to me. Almost like allowing System symbol resolution on batch jobs. What

Re: Batch Symbolic Substitution (RE: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit)

2012-02-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:11:57 -0500, Bonaduce, Frank wrote: As an aside, we DO use a local UJV exit which allows system symbolic substitution in batch jobs. It has proven to be very helpful in our environment. If anyone is interested, please advise. Don't let IBM hear you say that. They'll

Re: Request for comments on the GDG IEFAB461 exit

2012-02-22 Thread David Rawson
I have followed this forum for many, many years. Over that time I have never posted, not once, and never expected to. I have communicated with people directly when I thought I had something to offer, or ask questions from others who clearly new more than I did . . . BUT . . . . this post

Empty GDG dataset handling question

2012-02-21 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi We generated GDG's from a job. , The problem is with EMPTY GDG , for DISK , the dataset exists , for tape no new generation Can we handle this from JCL ? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions

Re: Empty GDG dataset handling question

2012-02-21 Thread McKown, John
and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Empty GDG dataset handling question Hi

Re: Empty GDG dataset handling question

2012-02-21 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
record with a record count and termination time. That kind of standardization would solve your problem immediately, unless the program in the job is vendor code for which you do not have source. An all-JCL solution would be to use DISP=(NEW,PASS) for the GDG creation step and then an IEBGENER

Re: Empty GDG dataset handling question

2012-02-21 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
, 2012 4:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Empty GDG dataset handling question Hi We generated GDG's from a job. , The problem is with EMPTY GDG , for DISK , the dataset exists , for tape no new generation Can we handle this from JCL

Looking for a Utility to Re-Catalog Only the x Most Current GDG Generations

2012-01-05 Thread Michael Egle
We have an application that has recently been sunset, but we need to keep some of the most recent data files that were created by that application. Over the years that application has generated hundreds, if not thousands of GDG files, some on DASD, some on Tape. What we would like to do

Re: Looking for a Utility to Re-Catalog Only the x Most Current GDG Generations

2012-01-05 Thread Herring, Bobby
If the GDG base is defined as scratch and you modify the GDG limit to x, everything greater than x gets scratched. Or at least, that's how we have done this in the past. Bob Herring Texas Farm Bureau Insurance Companies Waco, TX WWW.TXFB-INS.COM CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The foregoing

Re: Looking for a Utility to Re-Catalog Only the x Most Current GDG Generations

2012-01-05 Thread Hervey Martinez
I don't know of a utility to do this but what you can do is get a list of all GDG bases in question and alter the limit to '1'; the system will delete all but the newest one. You may want to this in batch otherwise, your TSO session will be locked until the task completes. Hervey

Re: Looking for a Utility to Re-Catalog Only the x Most Current GDG Generations

2012-01-05 Thread McKown, John
No problem! For instance. You have a GDG which currently has 100 entries in it. You only want to keep the most current 10. How to do this? //IDCAMS EXEC PGM=IDCAMS //SYSPRINT DD SYOUT=* //SYSIN DD * ALTER SOME.GDGBASE.NAME LIMIT(10) /* You're done! All the older generations will be rolled off

Re: GDG

2011-10-27 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:41:19 -0700, Ed Gould wrote: The member igdms00 must have a specific keyword in order to have the EOF occur. What keyword is that, Ed? I don't remember that and a quick scan of the keywords for IGDSMSxx doesn't reveal anything. I do see this in DFSMS Implementing

Re: GDG

2011-10-27 Thread John Eells
Ted MacNEIL wrote: I'm not an SMS guy, but I believe that any data set managed by SMS will get created with implicit EOF. Unless things have changed, yes. Things have changed (smile). Now it's not only for SMS-managed data sets: In z/OS V1.11, DFSMSdfp processing is changed to indicate

Re: GDG

2011-10-27 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:09:22 -0400, John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com wrote: Ted MacNEIL wrote: I'm not an SMS guy, but I believe that any data set managed by SMS will get created with implicit EOF. Unless things have changed, yes. Things have changed (smile). Now it's not only for SMS-managed

Re: GDG

2011-10-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:09:22 -0400, John Eells wrote: Ted MacNEIL wrote: I'm not an SMS guy, but I believe that any data set managed by SMS will get created with implicit EOF. Unless things have changed, yes. Things have changed (smile). Now it's not only for SMS-managed data sets: In

Re: GDG

2011-10-27 Thread Ed Gould
-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:43 AM Subject: Re: GDG On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:41:19 -0700, Ed Gould wrote: The member igdms00 must have a specific keyword in order to have the EOF occur. What keyword is that, Ed?  I don't remember that and a quick

Re: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:52 -0700 on 10/25/2011, Steve Thompson wrote about Re: GDG: Do you actually mean version or generation? I ask this because now and then someone actually means version (rarely). And what you asked could be either. Version will be A.B.C.G0001V00 then A.B.C.G0001V01. Generation

SV: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Thomas Berg
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För Robert A. Rosenberg Skickat: den 26 oktober 2011 07:27 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: GDG At 14:52 -0700 on 10/25/2011, Steve Thompson wrote about Re: GDG: Do you actually mean

Re: SV: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-10-26 12:09, Thomas Berg pisze: -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För Robert A. Rosenberg Skickat: den 26 oktober 2011 07:27 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: GDG At 14:52 -0700 on 10/25/2011, Steve Thompson wrote

SV: SV: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Thomas Berg
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För R.S. Skickat: den 26 oktober 2011 12:29 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: SV: GDG W dniu 2011-10-26 12:09, Thomas Berg pisze: -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe

Re: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Ron Thomas
So Jo skip how is this done, could you please let me know more about IGDSM00 . Thanks, Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

Re: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Skip Robinson
: Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/26/2011 10:15 AM Subject:Re: GDG Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu So Jo skip how is this done, could you please let me know more about IGDSM00 . Thanks, Ron

Re: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:21:30 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: I'm not an SMS guy, but I believe that any data set managed by SMS will get created with implicit EOF. . True . The DFSMS Implementing SMS manual says this:

Re: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm not an SMS guy, but I believe that any data set managed by SMS will get created with implicit EOF. Unless things have changed, yes. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: GDG

2011-10-26 Thread Ed Gould
The member igdms00 must have a specific keyword in order to have the EOF occur. It is not a defang uness IBM chaed things. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Ron Thomas
Hi, I have a requirement where we need to compare the current version and previous version of a GDG file. The job is newly created and when it runs 1'st time this will be a issue as the there is no version. Pls advise how we need to address in this scneraio. Regards Ron

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Hi, I have a requirement where we need to compare the current version and previous version of a GDG file. The job is newly created and when it runs 1'st time this will be a issue

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have a requirement where we need to compare the current version and previous version of a GDG file. The job is newly created and when it runs 1'st time this will be a issue as the there is no version. Pls advise how we need to address in this scneraio. Regards Ron

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Sambataro, Anthony (NIH/NBS) [E]
How detailed is your requirement, a simple compare can be done using the old IEBCOMPR utility. -Original Message- From: Ron Thomas [mailto:ron5...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: GDG Hi, I have a requirement where we need

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-10-25 13:01, Ron Thomas pisze: I have a requirement where we need to compare the current version and previous version of a GDG file. The job is newly created and when it runs 1'st time this will be a issue as the there is no version. Pls advise how we need to address

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Remember that when you create your +1 gen the oldest will fall off. Not necessarily. It (always) depends on your GDG limit. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
I suppose that this can happens to the gdgbase too. You can check if a base exist and so you can create it if is not. So, at the same step you can allocate first version and manage with different rc if you want to compare with a dummy or a -1 I'm wrong?

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0524280585683176.wa.ron5174gmail@aime.ua.edu, on 10/25/2011 at 06:01 AM, Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com said: I have a requirement where we need to compare the current version and previous version of a GDG file. The job is newly created and when it runs 1'st time this will be a issue

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Tony's Comcast account
Copy the first file. Now you have 2 files. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: GDG Hi, I have a requirement where we need to compare

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Chicklon, Thomas
. - Hi, I have a requirement where we need to compare the current version and previous version of a GDG file. The job is newly created and when it runs 1'st time this will be a issue as the there is no version. Pls advise how we need to address in this scneraio. Regards Ron This e-mail

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Jonathan Goossen
For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds Toastmasters IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 10/25/2011 06:01:13 AM: From: Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/25/2011 06:04 AM Subject: GDG Sent by: IBM Mainframe

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Hal Merritt
Use any suitable utility to create an empty file for use the first time. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: GDG Hi, I have

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Skip Robinson
Depending on what the 'compare program' does, you may need to include the proper attributes (RECFM, LRECL, etc.) on the dummy GDG member as well as mark immediate EOF. ISPF 3.2 will do all this for you. IEFBR14 will not. . . JO.Skip Robinson SCE Infrastructure Technology Services Electric

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Steve Thompson
Do you actually mean version or generation? I ask this because now and then someone actually means version (rarely). And what you asked could be either. Version will be A.B.C.G0001V00 then A.B.C.G0001V01. Generation will be A.B.C.G0001V00 then A.B.C.G0002V00 This makes a big difference in

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Ed Gould
Skip, IIEFBR14 will not but if it SMS managed and you have the right parameter in IGDSM00 (?) that inserts EOF at allocation time. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: GDG

2011-10-25 Thread Skip Robinson
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Re: GDG recall ENQ IEF861I IEF863I IEF099I

2011-08-17 Thread Jim Erdahl
I believe that IBM has correct this issue with z/OS 1.13. Check the anoucement letters to verify. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET

Re: GDG recall ENQ IEF861I IEF863I IEF099I

2011-08-09 Thread Mike Schwab
Since this makes most uses of a GDG single threaded, would it make sense to force large GDG files to VTAPE from disk? I assume this would be implemented with statements in the ACS routine? Anyone have a sample? On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote: On 08/05/2011

Re: GDG recall ENQ IEF861I IEF863I IEF099I

2011-08-08 Thread MONTERO ROMERO, ENRIQUE ELOI
Thanks a lot, now i know it is a normal behaviour. See you, Enrique Montero -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the

GDG recall ENQ IEF861I IEF863I IEF099I

2011-08-05 Thread MONTERO ROMERO, ENRIQUE ELOI
Hi team, This time is an HSM question related to a GDG dataset. The problem description : JOBA is recalling of a large dataset from ML2 to DASD. MY.DATASET.(0). JOBB during the JOBA recalling creates a new version of the dataset MY.DATASET.(+1) JOBB waits until the recall from JOBA ends

Re: GDG recall ENQ IEF861I IEF863I IEF099I

2011-08-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
Questions : During a GDG recall, the HSM keep in exclusive mode all versions of the dataset and cannot create new versions till tne recall ends? Is it normal behaviour of the HSM or is there some parameter to avoid this? Best regards and happy weekend. Enrique Montero It is normal

Re: GDG recall ENQ IEF861I IEF863I IEF099I

2011-08-05 Thread McKown, John
I think it only happens when you are using relative GDG numbers such as GDG(0) or GDG(-1). If you hard code the goovoo like GDG.G0001V00, then only that generation is enqueued. John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N

Re: GDG recall ENQ IEF861I IEF863I IEF099I

2011-08-05 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 08/05/2011 06:49 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote: Questions : During a GDG recall, the HSM keep in exclusive mode all versions of the dataset and cannot create new versions till tne recall ends? Is it normal behaviour of the HSM or is there some parameter to avoid this? Best regards and happy

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of1f894f72.be24e6cc-on882578df.007a104e-882578df.007a3...@sce.com, on 08/01/2011 at 03:15 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said: This is fascinating info. I've always wondered what the Vnn was for. V for version. It's intended to allow replacing a GDS within a GDG

Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread Anstey, Gerry
All, Any ideas here: We have a job that fails when creating a GDG entry, .ARC1001I PGINTT11.B671.TRANSACT.WINS.BKUP.G1460V00 RECALL FAILED, RC=0002, REAS= .ARC1102I DATA SET IS NOT MIGRATED/BACKED UP .IEF344I PRAH673 IEBGENER SYSUT2 - ALLOCATION FAILED DUE TO DATA FACILITY SYSTEM ERROR

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Gerry, Have you tried Delete / noscratch to get around the GDG allocate problem? To delete the HSM entry will probably require a Fixcds command, see the HSM Diagnosis guide for more info. Thank You, Dave O'Brien NIH Contractor From: Anstey, Gerry

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread Anstey, Gerry
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Anstey, Gerry Sent: 01 August 2011 14:09 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Orphan GDG problem All, Any ideas here: We have a job that fails when creating a GDG entry, .ARC1001I PGINTT11.B671

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread Mike Schwab
You could skip over the bad GDG number to get your production going again while fixing the unrecallable dataset. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:20 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote: Gerry,  Have you tried Delete / noscratch to get around the GDG allocate problem

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread Anstey, Gerry
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: 01 August 2011 15:17 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Orphan GDG problem You could skip over the bad GDG number to get your production going again while fixing the unrecallable dataset. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:20 AM, O'Brien

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:08 +0100 on 08/01/2011, Anstey, Gerry wrote about Orphan GDG problem: The problem is that I cannot delete the file using HDELETE, or IDCAMS with NVS, or standard IEFBR14 with an uncatlg NOTE: I see the problem has been solved but for the future here is an alternate method that would

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread Skip Robinson
Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 08/01/2011 12:53 PM Subject:Re: Orphan GDG problem Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu At 14

Re: Orphan GDG problem

2011-08-01 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:15 -0700 on 08/01/2011, Skip Robinson wrote about Re: Orphan GDG problem: This is fascinating info. I've always wondered what the Vnn was for. As I noted, it is a way to allow you to replace a generation up to (in theory) 99 times while preserving the Generation Number (Absolute

What is the difference of the entry of the GDG vs VSAM in CATALOG

2011-03-03 Thread ibmnew
Hi all We defined a VSAM file and a GDG base using a user id DBJMP05. The prefix of DBJMP05 is managed by SMS SMS routing SC : FILTLIST TSOUSERS INCLUDE(DBJMP*) WHEN HLQ = TSOUSERS SET STORCLAS = 'SCSTAND' SG: FILTLIST TSOUSERS INCLUDE

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