Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 17:41:48 -0700, cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca (Clark Morris) wrote: >>Mirroring will happily duplicate bad data written by a misbehaving >>program (or by misbehaving hardware for that matter). > >And a backup program will blithely copy bad data to the backup >mechanism. Sure, but we c

Re: Backups (was Virginia DOT outage)

"Richard L Peurifoy" wrote in message news:<4c85308b.1010...@neo.tamu.edu>... > On 9/3/2010 7:41 PM, Clark Morris wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2010 15:52:25 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: > > > >> On 9/3/2010 5:36 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: > The way I read the articles, there was mirroring a

Re: Backups (was Virginia DOT outage)

Richard, How true. I thought this was part of the thinking behind "before" and "after" batch back-ups, providing a checkpoint where an application could be restored prior to some application related error or corruption. There are a few sites that use in-system copy products (Shadowimage, FlashCop

Backups (was Virginia DOT outage)

On 9/3/2010 7:41 PM, Clark Morris wrote: On 3 Sep 2010 15:52:25 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On 9/3/2010 5:36 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: The way I read the articles, there was mirroring and the failure of primary was made disastrous by the failure of the mirroring device. If this is

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In , on 09/03/2010 at 11:35 PM, "Robert A. Rosenberg" said: >Since "=" means set-to-the-value-of In FORTRAN, but not in all languages. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't care. We don't have to c

Re: Virginia DOT outage

plied on Friday, not Monday?" Ron > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of > Stan Weyman > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 11:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Virginia DOT outa

Re: Virginia DOT outage

- The way I read the articles, there was mirroring and the failure of primary was made disastrous by the failure of the mirroring device. If this is the case, what are the probabilities of the same thing on IBM devices regardless of

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 14:20 -0600 on 09/03/2010, Howard Brazee wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: Most languages allow for A = A + 1. Since "=" means set-to-the-value-of this is no different than: LA 5,1(0,5) IOW: Compute the value of A+1 and sto

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 01:25 -0400 on 09/03/2010, Gabe Goldberg wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: The problem wasn't checking license validity, it was renewing licenses. They've extended by 20 days validity of licenses which expired Aug 25-Sept 2 or so, are keeping DMV offices open extra hours and

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 08:59 -0500 on 09/03/2010, Avram Friedman wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: Why does this outage prevent the offcers from writting tickets for expired licenses when the driver is stopped for other reasons. After all the experation date is on the drivers license? The answer is the

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 11:32 -0500 on 09/03/2010, Tom Marchant wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: >One of the many reasons that I prefer computer languages. They are not ambiguous. Not ambiguous, I suppose, but sometimes counter-intuitive. What does this mean in C: If A=B then. Set A to B's va

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 12:05 +0200 on 09/03/2010, Peter Nuttall wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: Indeed ... Personal favourite : Stationery - Office equipment Stationary - Not in motion Or President - chief official (as of a company or nation) Precedent - something said or done earlier that serves as an

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 15:52:25 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On 9/3/2010 5:36 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: >>> The way I read the articles, there was mirroring and the failure of >>> primary was made disastrous by the failure of the mirroring device. If >>> this is the case, what are the probabil

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 9/3/2010 5:36 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: The way I read the articles, there was mirroring and the failure of primary was made disastrous by the failure of the mirroring device. If this is the case, what are the probabilities of the same thing on IBM devices regardless of the operating system? T

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>The way I read the articles, there was mirroring and the failure of >primary was made disastrous by the failure of the mirroring device. If >this is the case, what are the probabilities of the same thing on IBM >devices regardless of the operating system? That's probably true. After all, who wou

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 11:27:13 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: > Any DASD device is going to eventually fail. If the data is not backed up > efficiently (mirrored, physical or otherwise) and there aren't solid and, > more importantly, TESTED procedures in place for when that failure does

Re: Virginia DOT outage

Rick Fochtman wisely noted: | Stupidity is always a reason and often an excuse. | Unfortunately, there's no vaccine for it. It would not matter if there were a vaccine. I am convinced that by the time a child is old enough to be vaccinated the disease has already taken firm hold, and the un

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: >>This after numerous EMC marketting reps assured me, of a period of several >>months, that EMC had NEVER experienced a storage failure that resulted in ANY >>outage. > > I KNOW of one in Canada in the mid-1990's. > > What ever he's smoking, I'd

Re: Virginia DOT outage

--- No argument but, as we all know, "Stuff" happens. Here on "The List", we all have the benefit of long experience and a very high set of quality standards. Not every shop enjoys these attributes. Sorry, but that's n

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:20 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage > > On 3 Sep 2010 09:51:53 -0700, john.

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 12:42:52 -0700, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) wrote: >>I would absolutely LOVE a grass roots campaign to eliminate = as a >>token in any and all languages. Comparison should be ==. > >"==" is an abomination. > >>Assignment should be :=. > >There I agree, alth

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 09:51:53 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) wrote: >As shown, nothing because it is invalid syntax. > >But with parenthesis around the A=B, it means exactly what it says: Assign the >value of B to A, then test to see if it is equal to zero or not. That is where >t

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 12:23:18 -0700, gada...@charter.net (Gerhard Adam) wrote: >>That works fine for files managed by a DBMS. What about ordinary PS/PO >>datasets that may get updated several times between backup cycles? > >They need to be backed up more frequently if they're that critical. This >isn't

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>This after numerous EMC marketting reps assured me, of a period of several >months, that EMC had NEVER experienced a storage failure that resulted in ANY >outage. I KNOW of one in Canada in the mid-1990's. What ever he's smoking, I'd like some. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motiv

Re: Virginia DOT outage

This after numerous EMC marketting reps assured me, of a period of several months, that EMC had NEVER experienced a storage failure that resulted in ANY outage. AND they assured me that no EMC customer had ever lost a single byte of data due to EEMC product failure. Repeat after me: HORSEFEA

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:34 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: V

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In <1458820400-1283538012-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2998234...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>, on 09/03/2010 at 06:20 PM, Ted MacNEIL said: >== is a good choice for comparison. It's ugly. >:= is ALGOL So? If you adopt := for another language then using = for equality isn't c

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In , on 09/03/2010 at 11:47 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >And some DEC languages used for assignment when that was >a prevalent graphic on Teletype print elements. (I believe ASCII >usurped the code point with . I recall several ASCII code points with dual assignments. The one that I hated most

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In , on 09/03/2010 at 11:56 AM, "McKown, John" said: >I would absolutely LOVE a grass roots campaign to eliminate = as a >token in any and all languages. Comparison should be ==. "==" is an abomination. >Assignment should be :=. There I agree, although I would allow, e.g., +:=. -- S

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In , on 09/03/2010 at 08:59 AM, Avram Friedman said: >As an example ever since VSAM recoverable catalogs The ones that were less stable than nonrecoverable catalogs? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We

Re: Virginia DOT outage

-- Yeah, we had a research department have their big server stolen from secure closet. IBM said they could replace overnight-which they did. Then our server folks got AIX up and trucking, we're ready for the backups. Very b

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--- I would absolutely LOVE a grass roots campaign to eliminate = as a token in any and all languages. Comparison should be ==. Assignment should be :=. No ambiguity there. No "intuitive" meaning for newbies to make an assumpti

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>That works fine for files managed by a DBMS. What about ordinary PS/PO >datasets that may get updated several times between backup cycles? They need to be backed up more frequently if they're that critical. This isn't rocket science.

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>No argument but, as we all know, "Stuff" happens. >Here on "The List", we all have the benefit of long experience and a >very high set of quality standards. Not every shop enjoys these attributes. Sorry, but that's no excuse. When someone sets themselves up as being the outsourcer and is being

Re: Virginia DOT outage

--- >Having been in on a couple of recovery actions due to major files getting fouled up, I can believe that things could take up to a week. How do major files get fouled up with adequate backups? Or audit files. IMS da

Re: Virginia DOT outage

No argument but, as we all know, "Stuff" happens. Here on "The List", we all have the benefit of long experience and a very high set of quality standards. Not every shop enjoys these attributes. Don't forget: the Titanic was built by people with high standards and long experience. And the Spa

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Anton Britz > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 1:28 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage > Conclusion : > > So Northrop

Re: Virginia DOT outage

Summary of the article in the Computer World : 2005 : The Virginia Information Technologies Agency (VITA) outsources the management of its data centers to Northrop Grumman through a 10-year, $2.4 billion contract

Re: Virginia DOT outage

48 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage >> >> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:32:12 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >> > >> >Not ambiguous, I suppose, but sometimes counter-intuitive. >> > >> >What does this mean in C:

Re: Virginia DOT outage

ailure is ever final -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kelman, Tom Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage That's my feeling also. In looking at the timeline o

Re: Virginia DOT outage

Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gerhard Adam Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage >Having been in on a couple of recovery actions due to major files >getting fouled

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>I would absolutely LOVE a grass roots campaign to eliminate = as a token in >any and all languages. >Comparison should be ==. >Assignment should be :=. In 1980, my final year at UOW, I wrote a paper stating exactly the same thing. I got a good mark, and ended up with a double major (CS & Stats).

Re: Virginia DOT outage

More info: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9183460/Northrop_Grumman_takes_blame_for_Va._IT_services_outage -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the mess

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In a message dated 9/3/2010 8:05:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, howard.bra...@cusys.edu writes: realized that she usually neglected this option and before calling for help, backed up the corrupted copy over her one good backup. >> Yeah, we had a research department have their big server s

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In a message dated 9/3/2010 4:58:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, peter.nutt...@euroclear.com writes: We had the BMC utility suite the following week >> Yeah we managed to justify Platinum Suite in a hurry. Paid for itself within a year. ---

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 11:48 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage > > On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:32:12 -

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 11:32 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage > > On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:38:59 -

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:32:12 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: > >Not ambiguous, I suppose, but sometimes counter-intuitive. > >What does this mean in C: >If A=B then. > I cherish languages of the ALGOL lineage for their use of "=" as a comparison operator but not for assignment. And some DEC language

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 08:25:13 -0700, gerh...@valley.net (Gerhard Postpischil) wrote: >> Then there are all the Janus words, which are spelled the >> same, pronounced the same, but have opposite meanings >> Fortunately, there are not many. Here are a few in English: > >And potentially the most dangerous:

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:38:59 -0500, McKown, John wrote: >One of the many reasons that I prefer computer languages. >They are not ambiguous. Not ambiguous, I suppose, but sometimes counter-intuitive. What does this mean in C: If A=B then. -- Tom Marchant ---

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > And potentially the most dangerous: inflammable. Mmm, no... "inflammable" is NEVER the opposite of "flammable". That would just be wrong. -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it"

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>A file or database gets corrupted Tuesday evening and Wednesday >morning review catches it. Meanwhile further updates have been done. >How simple is the recovery and damage limitation process? This is >just on scenario of failures that can take much time to fix. The problem with all these "what

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 9/3/2010 9:32 AM, Bill Fairchild wrote: Sighting vs. citing, homophones, etc.: Then there are all the Janus words, which are spelled the same, pronounced the same, but have opposite meanings Fortunately, there are not many. Here are a few in English: And potentially the most dangerous: inf

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 07:22:45 -0700, paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) wrote: >And in common English: > >Generic is something that is general, common, or inclusive rather than >specific, unique, or selective. (wikipedia) > >Esoteric knowledge, in the dictionary (non-scholarly) sense, is thus that >

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 3 Sep 2010 06:39:47 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) wrote: >One of the many reasons that I prefer computer languages. They are not >ambiguous. >Well, they shouldn't be. I guess you could design one where the meaning of a >statement >is not defined unambiguously. But it i

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:38:59 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > >One of the many reasons that I prefer computer languages. They are not >ambiguous. Well, they shouldn't be. I guess you could design one where the >meaning of a statement is not defined unambiguously. But it is definately >implemented una

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 2 Sep 2010 22:29:28 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >At 12:16 -0700 on 09/02/2010, Gerhard Adam wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: > >> >Having been in on a couple of recovery actions due to major files >>>getting fouled up, I can believe that things

Re: Virginia DOT outage

ancy. Some DBMS systems like DB2 cause data redundancy. On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 00:00:46 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >At 20:25 -0400 on 09/01/2010, J R wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: > >> > ... police are not sighting people who are stopped and found to >>have re

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6. let -- allow, stop (e.g., in tennis) On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Bill Fairchild wrote: > Sighting vs. citing, homophones, etc.: > > Then there are all the Janus words, which are spelled the same, pronounced > the same, but have opposite meanings   Fortunately, there are not many.  Here >

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:32 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage > > Sighting vs. citing, homophones, e

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Sighting vs. citing, homophones, etc.: Then there are all the Janus words, which are spelled the same, pronounced the same, but have opposite meanings Fortunately, there are not many. Here are a few in English: 1. cleave - to stick together or to be torn apart 2. oversight - watching over o

Re: Virginia DOT outage

I had a dBase application that I sent out, with full directions and routine to do backups. When a user's copy got corrupted, she realized that she usually neglected this option and before calling for help, backed up the corrupted copy over her one good backup. -

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..and the mouse-twitching generation's loose vs. lose. =>> -Original Message- =>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Nuttall =>> =>> Indeed ... Personal favourite : =>> =>> Stationery - Office equipment =>> Stationary - Not in motion => => Other rather common malappro

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Nuttall > > Indeed ... Personal favourite : > > Stationery - Office equipment > Stationary - Not in motion Other rather common malappropriations: "Personal" vs. "personnel"; "principle" vs. "principal"; "right

Re: Virginia DOT outage

Indeed ... Personal favourite : Stationery - Office equipment Stationary - Not in motion "Rick Fochtman" Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" 03/09/2010 01:28 AM Please respond to "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc S

Re: Virginia DOT outage

"Ed Finnell" Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" 03/09/2010 01:04 AM Please respond to "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Virginia DOT outage >> My favorite was the hot-shot DBA that deleted 24 hours worth of proc

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 07:23 -0500 on 09/02/2010, Mike Schwab wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: SPELLING-CHECKER POEM http://www.bios.niu.edu/zar/poem.html There is also Science Fiction Author Piers Anthony who in one of the first books in his Xanth Series had a character write an essay which was then spell

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 12:16 -0700 on 09/02/2010, Gerhard Adam wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: >Having been in on a couple of recovery actions due to major files getting fouled up, I can believe that things could take up to a week. How do major files get fouled up with adequate backups? Or audit fi

Re: Virginia DOT outage

The problem wasn't checking license validity, it was renewing licenses. They've extended by 20 days validity of licenses which expired Aug 25-Sept 2 or so, are keeping DMV offices open extra hours and days, and have notified police regarding the extension. And some measure I didn't quite catch

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:34:43 -0400, Don Poitras wrote: > >They weren't injured, but you have to believe they were pretty scared >when the plane they were flying last Saturday was met by armed men >screaming at them. The 'criminals'? John and Martha King. Known throughout >the US for their many pilot

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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Don Poitras wrote: > They weren't injured, but you have to believe they were pretty scared > when the plane they were flying last Saturday was met by armed men > screaming at them. The 'criminals'? John and Martha King. Known throughout > the US for their many pil

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In article <4c80381e.6050...@ync.net> you wrote: > If the process seems to be working smoothly, who checks results? And how? > We had an incident in Illinois where a license plate number was > re-assigned but the database wasn't updated because the plate already > appeared in the database. An in

Re: Virginia DOT outage

That was bad programming practice even then. Especially in that timeframe when there's no question that the access method would've kicked back an error condition for attempting to replace a duplicate record. My point here, is that this is not a technology issue, but a "people not doing their job"

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 2 Sep 2010 16:16:22 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >>It turned out our contract with our service provider did not allow for the >testing back-ups. > >>And, even though it's a best practice, if you don't pay for it, you don't >get it. > >>An application problem, followed by a procedu

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It happened in the late 1970's. Rick - Gerhard Adam wrote: If the process seems to be working smoothly, who checks results? And how? We had an incident in Illinois where a license plate number was re-assigned but the

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>I disagree, John. Spelling is VERY important in preserving the meaning of >written communications. I agree 100%! When I was an elementary school student, in the 1960's, and I did a science project, if I made a spelling, or grammatical, error, my science teacher would take up to 5% off of the p

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>If the process seems to be working smoothly, who checks results? And how? >We had an incident in Illinois where a license plate number was >re-assigned but the database wasn't updated because the plate already >appeared in the database. An innocent man was killed by State Police >because the p

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-- If something starts going wrong and doesn't get detected for a period of time, the backups will be contaminated from time of first failure. Getting things straightened out can be interesting. What can start going wro

Re: Virginia DOT outage

-- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of J R ... police are not sighting people who are stopped and found to have recently expired licenses. If the police are not sighting

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>It turned out our contract with our service provider did not allow for the testing back-ups. >And, even though it's a best practice, if you don't pay for it, you don't get it. >An application problem, followed by a procedural problem still happens. I completely understand, but those aren't prob

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In a message dated 9/2/2010 5:54:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: And, even though it's a best practice, if you don't pay for it, you don't get it. An application problem, followed by a procedural problem still happens. >> My favorite was the hot-shot DBA that d

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>These issues have been around for well over 40 years, and if they haven't been >addressed then shame on whoever's responsible. >It simply isn't acceptable to say that "something got messed up". >This isn't 1975. Unfortunately, everything old is new again. People who don't learn from history ...

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>If something starts going wrong and doesn't get detected for a period >of time, the backups will be contaminated from time of first failure. >Getting things straightened out can be interesting. What can start going wrong that doesn't get detected? Someone's not paying attention. These issues

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On 2 Sep 2010 12:17:48 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >>Having been in on a couple of recovery actions due to major files >>getting fouled up, I can believe that things could take up to a week. > >How do major files get fouled up with adequate backups? > > >>There also are some fiascos

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>Why don't you call it an exercise instead of a test, then you can always say >that in an exercise you would expect something to fail and that's the reason for the exercise. If I were the keeper of the corporate buzzwords, I would. I tried that route, at a major Canadian bank, and they told me i

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ght expect something to fail and once fixed it makes DR better. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage >Especially when

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>Especially when every company that does DR testing always come back >proclaiming how successful the test was. Tell me about it! I was involved, as a customer, when our service provider declared a test a success when it didn't even meet more than 5 (out of almost 100) success criteria. Some app

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>Having been in on a couple of recovery actions due to major files >getting fouled up, I can believe that things could take up to a week. How do major files get fouled up with adequate backups? >There also are some fiascos that real-time >backup won't guard against. Not true. Especially when e

Re: Virginia DOT outage

acity Planning >Commerce Bank, Kansas City > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On >Behalf Of Gerhard Adam >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:29 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >Subject: Virginia DOT outage > >Reg

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>From another list: http://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfactor/computing/it/virginia-information-technologies-agency-believes-in-the-perfect-network-fairy -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN su

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: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Virginia DOT outage Regardless of the cause, doesn't this say more about the disaster recovery scenario than anything else? Adam -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access in

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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Chase, John wrote: > > One might argue that the context of the original statement required > "citing" rather than "sighting", but nowadays how can one be sure? > Perhaps spelling really is unimportant, so long as the correct sound is > represented.  And both "sighti

Re: Virginia DOT outage

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of J R > > > ... police are not sighting people who are stopped and found to have recently expired licenses. > > If the police are not sighting them, how are they stopping them -- and how do they know their licences > ar

Re: Virginia DOT outage

lot of money to convert the mainframe to something else. The article above is about how great the new solution is. Denis. -Original Message- From: Dave Kopischke To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2010 12:43 am Subject: Re: Virginia DOT outage On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:18:19

Re: Virginia DOT outage

At 20:25 -0400 on 09/01/2010, J R wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage: > ... police are not sighting people who are stopped and found to have recently expired licenses.  If the police are not sighting them, how are they stopping them -- and how do they know their licences are recen

Re: Virginia DOT outage

rom: ibmsysp...@geek-sites.com > Subject: Virginia DOT outage > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > As many of you may know the State of Virginia has been dealing with a major > computer system outage impacting 24 departments. > The outage has extended over 7 business days with no estimated

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>In all those story links, there was no mention at all that their DR plan was >even invoked. >Maybe it wasn't deemed to be a significant enough failure to warrant >executing their DR plan ??? If a seven day outage isn't enough, what would it take? A nuclear first strike? In my view, this is p

Re: Virginia DOT outage

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:18:19 EDT, Ed Finnell wrote: >In a message dated 9/1/2010 2:33:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >writes: > >doesn't this say more about the disaster recovery >scenario than anything else? > >>> >More like never been tested under load. > In all those story links, there was no

Re: Virginia DOT outage

In a message dated 9/1/2010 2:33:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gada...@charter.net writes: doesn't this say more about the disaster recovery scenario than anything else? >> More like never been tested under load. -- F

Re: Virginia DOT outage

>What we can learn here is to be more careful when using "modern" storage >systems. They are more a computer system than storage today. And it is no >matter if you have a mainframe or a Nintendo server. Both we need data to >work. This has nothing to do with "modern" storage systems, and everythin

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