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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Dale Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced RBS tech operative's blunder...'
Apparently
In 24ed21e9-0ebc-42b6-af26-5e07aa72c...@yahoo.com, on 07/02/2012
at 12:51 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said:
This industry is tough enough without a language barrier. Add the
language barrier it gets down right ugly.
I've worked with competent people with a language barrier. I've
In
CAE1XxDEzxDZ4YJ3iJHU4TqXk34Cvp2J3ysWA0ese=1scde0...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/02/2012
at 05:33 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
John Reid has reminded us all of a generic weakness in the way we
TINW.
do things.
I don't know about you, but when I install a new system I test it,
have
Shmuel,
So have I ..competent people usually are on the same technical page, for sure
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
On Jul 2, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net
wrote:
In 24ed21e9-0ebc-42b6-af26-5e07aa72c...@yahoo.com, on 07/02/2012
at 12:51 AM, Scott
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
meltdown
In
CAE1XxDEzxDZ4YJ3iJHU4TqXk34Cvp2J3ysWA0ese=1scde0...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/02/2012
at 05:33 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
John Reid has reminded us all of a generic weakness in the way we
TINW.
do
On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:33:05 -0500, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote:
Shmuel:
Well if it was outsourced I wouldn't be surprised to much.
I suspect that these people sell themselves as experts in everything
CA-7 or MVS you name it. I have interviewed two foreign speaking
individuals and it
From what I've read, and it sounds quite as you would expect, the systems
programmers who applied the maintenance to CA-7 were based in the main
Edinburgh data centre whereas the team responsible for job scheduling using
CA-7 were based in Hyderabad. As we all know, when a critical job abends
John Reid has reminded us all of a generic weakness in the way we do
things. Sysprogs install new systems and maintain them, but they do
not usually test them. They may indeed have only the vaguest notions
of what some of them do.
Comprehensive IVPs have all but disappeared; but it it time, I
'Sysprog' is unfortunately an ambiguous term. There are those who
build software for ISVs or, of course, IBM; and there are those who
keep a z/OS shop running.
As a part of an attempt to help in the selection of a new manager for
a systems programming group in a European insurance company I
John,
I also worked with Europeans, while living in Europe, also Mexico, including
the Swiss. In my old age, 62 in August, I have concluded that the new IT world
order, that's what my boss alls it, the solution to testing , is call the
vendor. We get ton of calls, usually because ppl don't
Mark:
I spoke to the individuals that I have interviewed.
Ed
On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:33:05 -0500, Ed Gould
edgould1...@comcast.net wrote:
Shmuel:
Well if it was outsourced I wouldn't be surprised to much.
I suspect that these people sell
that.
Ed
On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In 047067a6-a5c0-4f92-8963-1bd539013...@comcast.net, on 06/26/2012
at 11:37 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said:
Subject: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
meltdown
An *operator* was upgrading CA
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea0115baa1...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 06/28/2012
at 07:44 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
My personal desire would be something akin to ISPF available from a
z/OS UNIX shell
If IBM were willing, the ISPF WSA would be a good start.
and
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#46 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's
blunder led to banking meltdown
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#58 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's
blunder led to banking meltdown
it isn't RBS only problem:
Another Domino Falls in the LIBOR Banking
Discussion List
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:28 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CA product numbers (was 'Inexperienced' RBS tech
operative's blunder led to banking meltdown)
To each his own, but I can't begin
Kirk,
Absolutely ugly in regression testing...Or found Friday at 5 pm
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
On Jun 28, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com wrote:
well said
not supposed to exist, but ...
especially ugly when the problem is regression testing
IBM Mainframe
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[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:48 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CA product numbers (was 'Inexperienced' RBS tech
operative's blunder led to banking
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:12 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led
to banking meltdown
On 27/06/2012 11:23 PM, McKown, John wrote:
I somewhat agree (as difficult
Mike said:
Banking rules say you have to process the day's deposits before the
day's withdrawals.
Basically, you post the transaction to a transaction file which is
applied to the account after the cutoff time.
No. This is a general accounting rule. (And actually, the rule is that
transactions
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on
06/28/2012 04:07:46 PM:
From: Dave Juraschek david.jurasc...@associates.dhs.gov
Mike said:
Banking rules say you have to process the day's deposits before the
day's withdrawals.
Basically, you post the transaction to a
On Jun 28, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
ibm services has been outsourcing such processing for some number of
financial institutions ... there is folklore about trade-off between
having processing to always be under the limit where fine is applied
... versus cost savings on not
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banking meltdown
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/26/
rbs_natwest_ca_technologies_outsourcing
Company.SM
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[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Ambros
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:25 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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to banking meltdown
Complicated
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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meltdown
Complicated legacy mainframe system? It's CA-7! If they think that's
complicated they probably can't work a Mr. Coffee.
Thomas Ambros
Operating Systems and Connectivity Engineering
518
The Guardian has a version that is more or less readable, albeit meant for
the man on the street.
Some of the comments are rather pungent.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/25/how-natwest-it-meltdown?newsfeed=true
= On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:49:03 -0400, Knutson, Sam
: A complicated legacy
mainframe system at RBS and a team inexperienced in its quirks made the
problem harder to fix.
... snip ...
Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/26/rbs_natwest_ca_technologies_outsourcing/
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[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Knutson, Sam
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Of J. Cassidy
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:58 AM
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Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led
to banking meltdown
To someone who is inexperienced on platform I imagine
managing a CA-7 upgrade is like having the world's smartest
dog but it only responds to commands in Latin.
Miscommunication is likely to be a source of dissatisfaction
Sent: 27 June 2012 16:32
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Subject: CA product numbers (was 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder
led to banking meltdown)
I've always loved the early CA product naming scheme (CA-1, CA-7, et al.). Just
think what that saved in marketing costs (to secure rights
: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com
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Date: 06/27/2012 11:26
Subject:Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to
banking meltdown
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I somewhat agree (as difficult
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:40 AM
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Subject: Re: CA product numbers (was 'Inexperienced' RBS tech
operative's blunder led to banking meltdown)
: CA product numbers (was 'Inexperienced' RBS tech
New word for the day - tsuris =
Yiddish) aggravating trouble; the frustrating tsuris he subjected himself
to
difficulty, trouble - an effort that is inconvenient; I went to a lot of
trouble; he won without any trouble; had difficulty walking;
finished the test only with
Banking rules say you have to process the day's deposits before the
day's withdrawals.
Basically, you post the transaction to a transaction file which is
applied to the account after the cutoff time.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Bill Fairchild
bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
I
And whoever decided Tuesday night was the most appropriate probably
has
some explaining to do. Right before a full sized cycle? Unless every
night is like that, probably not the most prudent decision.
Thomas Ambros
Agreed - I'd be curious to know how this got through any kind of
Gord Tomlin wrote:
To each his own, but I can't begin to tell you how much I hate Canonical's
method of naming releases. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is much more meaningful (to me,
anyway) than Precise Pangolin. I have a hard time even remembering that the
release I'm running is known as Precise Pangolin.
Mike Wawiorko wrote:
Used to be UCC1 and UCC7 etc. supplied by Uccel (spelling?) before takeover by
CA. Your point about numbering still holds good - but it wasn't CA's scheme.
You know, I *knew* that, at one point...but had lost it. Thanks!
...phsiii
I thought all systems programmers were perfect?
From: Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown
http
We used to subscribe to weekly world news, before times got tough. Then
there was the AA fiasco back in 80's where they managed to reply U to scratch
VTOC purge-1100 times!
In a message dated 6/27/2012 9:45:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
m...@mzelden.com writes:
I told him to think
of
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote:
Bill Fairchild wrote:
I understand why all accumulated transactions have to be processed in the
correct sequence if they are batched up daily, but why is an individual
transaction not instantaneously and permanently processed
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-
m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Ashton
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to
banking meltdown
Without having seen the HIPERs, it could
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[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Salt
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:20 PM
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Subject: Real cost savings (was: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech
operative's blunder led to banking meltdown
.
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Behalf Of Knutson, Sam
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:49 AM
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Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
meltdown
To someone who
: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
meltdown
Without having seen the HIPERs, it could be that they are trying to keep
others from blowing off their feet if they have staff who are
operationally
AM
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Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
meltdown
To someone who is inexperienced on platform I imagine managing a CA-7
upgrade is like having the world's smartest dog but it only responds to
commands in Latin. Miscommunication
Gord,
Same here we use Opensuse for z/Pdt I have to dig to find the release. But for
me it's not too bad, since I have time in a development shop that we are.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Gord Tomlin gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com
wrote:
They are based on
Phil,
Had a boss on VM man yrs ago, said learn the native VM and CMS commands first
before you considering writing execs or clists. That was 20+ yrs ago, did that
with VM , CMS, VTAM, TCPIP, etc ..if you understand how things work the GUIs
are to me pretty but also makes people not think
the programmers to use raw TSO? ;-)
Dave Salt
SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it!
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:14:58 -0500
From: john.mck...@healthmarkets.com
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder
List
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:32 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: CA product numbers (was 'Inexperienced' RBS tech
operative's blunder led to banking meltdown)
I've always loved the early CA product naming scheme
in control
you just aren't going fast enough.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:07 AM
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