Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread David Crayford
On 22/01/2014 11:53 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: IBM is currently warning customers that over-using ZIIPs may lead to serious performance problems because of the way z/OS manages them vs. the way it manages general purpose CPs. Can you supply a link wrt that information?

Re: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1672677481329115.wa.brianwestermansyzygyinc@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 03:38 AM, Brian Westerman brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com said: I have handled the HTML/TEXT email stuff, currently I build both parts of the email, and send it, unless the client site has specified NOHTML, in

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:59:23 +0800, David Crayford wrote: On 22/01/2014 11:53 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: IBM is currently warning customers that over-using ZIIPs may lead to serious performance problems because of the way z/OS manages them vs. the way it manages general purpose CPs. Can you

RexxSQL vs Rexx managing stdout

2014-01-23 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
Hi to all. I have a rexx program that changes behavior using: REXX-Regina_3,7 5.00 14 Oct 2012 or rexxsql 2.6B3 23 May 2011 WIN32 ODBC the problem happens when I try to capture the output of a command using the instruction: Address system command with output stem std_out. error std_err. With the

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread Martin Packer
I'm also talking about this. In the final throes of having a presentation I aim to put on Slideshare (and give at any suitable venue). The message is important: DB2 V10 changes the way we view zIIP capacity. The other message is important: zIIP Capacity Planning IS very feasible. And at the

Re: TSO/E Reconnect

2014-01-23 Thread Jantje.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:18:09 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Now after some reading and testing, I've found a way to get TSO/E to keep my natively connected session active when I need to shutdown my laptop which involves issuing 2 VTAM commands as follows (which

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread Scott Chapman
I think that's a better overview of the issue Martin, because you bring out the important fact that z/OS doesn't forget about how to prioritize work just because it's on a specialty engine. It's probably would also be a similarly good rule of thumb that you shouldn't let your GPs get over 50%

Re: SMF Log Stream

2014-01-23 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi For us was the benefit, that we get online the actual SMF data, from a job's WEB site we can access all the SMF details (30, 14 92 etc etc records) . On 22.01.2014 22:14, gsg wrote: What are the benefits of converting to SMF Log Streams?

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-23 Thread Peter Relson
That said, the convention that the length of an identifier (plus one for its prefixed ampersand) determines the maximal possible length of its values is a bizarre one. Worse, it suggests (but does not of course prove) that a naif storage-overlay-reuse scheme figures in the implementation. The

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-23 Thread Mark Regan
But I take it that SYMDEF(IPSUBNET1='121.122') will be okay?   Thanks, Mark Regan From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: System Symbols Question On Tue, 21 Jan

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread David Crayford
+1 for Martins blog post, which is excellent. Having said that, the whole zIIP concept is baroque from root to branch. Why couldn't IBM have come up with something much simpler? On 23/01/2014 8:29 PM, Scott Chapman wrote: I think that's a better overview of the issue Martin, because you

Re: TSO/E Reconnect

2014-01-23 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Jantje. jan.moeyers...@gfi.be wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:18:09 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Now after some reading and testing, I've found a way to get TSO/E to keep my natively connected session active when I need to shutdown

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxdhdqs_qmqcs0m1fpvbxbf9dov4-rnb5bmds6p9fog-...@mail.gmail.com, on 01/22/2014 at 11:27 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Tom Marchant wrote begin extract There might be cases where an 8 character symbol name won't work. For example, when a symbol represents a volume serial

Re: rentrant Open

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In !!AAAYAJXIDufoOyhGhgKtFLrs5tbCgAAAEJxtFH/WwD1Mnt0mSSJO0/UBAA==@optonline.net, on 01/22/2014 at 11:57 AM, MichealButz michealb...@optonline.net said: As I get s0c4 Your DCB and OPEN list are in your csect instead of in dynamically acquired storage. -- Shmuel

Re: pax, ddnames and _BPX_SHAREAS

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8592377061499272.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 05:33 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: I try to double check my facts The relevant fact was that I overlooked something[1]. You assumed that it was deliberate; nothing remotely like checking your facts.

Re: Fw: Dataspace versus common area above the bar

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAE1XxDGxrBsij_=UFO=UzZ0DSdGupE_=QWr=y5dggtju9d3...@mail.gmail.com, on 01/21/2014 at 07:44 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: and it may be that what we have here is a misunderstanding of my language. Or it may be your ignorance. Let me begin with a little history. On System/360

Re: TSO/E Reconnect

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 6648464504487393.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 08:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: I can reconnect to the running session with tn3270, absent VTAM. I doubt it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0384493556120387.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 08:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't* want?

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 3d72083b2cb67b46b4b20f9a717dc1034aaa3...@chw20013603.ch.ad.hedani.net, on 01/23/2014 at 07:49 AM, Hunkeler, Peter peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com said: You mean the excellent, unbeaten, yet spoken to death BookMaster format ;-) I thought I once had it, but can't find it right now either.

Re: SMF Log Stream

2014-01-23 Thread R.S.
(My humble opinion) Benefits: - single repository for sysplex is possible - logstream is more flexible when SMF flood occurs, less chance to loose SMF records - it is supported and promoted by IBM Disadvantages: - a bit more complex to set up, especially in monoplex (when compared to legacy

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
Since us technicians don't see the benefits, they must be non-technical, and will probably be marketing... Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 14:26 To:

Re: pax, ddnames and _BPX_SHAREAS

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 06:30:43 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: The relevant fact was that I overlooked something[1]. You assumed that it was deliberate; nothing remotely like checking your facts. [1] Well, that plus misleading text in the manual. Cite. I saw only an apparent excerpt with

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 06:39:14 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 01/22/2014 at 08:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr009.pdf Sept 2012. Isn't that what I said I *didn't*

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Paul, The last .BOO version I was ever able to find was for the fourth edition, SA22-7832-03, here: http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/dz9zr003/ I do not believe any more .BOO versions were created after that one. I haven't found any current non-PDF versions anywhere

IBM sells x86 server business to Levono

2014-01-23 Thread John McKown
http://www.itworld.com/hardware/401502/lenovo-agrees-buy-ibms-server-business-23-billion For 2.3 billion dollars (U.S., Australian, or Canadian not specified, but I guess U.S.). -- Wasn't there something about a PASCAL programmer knowing the value of everything and the Wirth of nothing?

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:35:19 -0500, Peter Relson wrote: Having said that, we are considering a convention under which symbol values can be longer than the symbol name, with the user's understanding that any truncation that results may be ignored. I would much favor a convention that reports the

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-23 Thread Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 16:24 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: System Symbols Question On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:35:19 -0500, Peter Relson wrote: Having

Re: DF/SMShsm HRECALL request waiting forever (UNCLASSIFIED)

2014-01-23 Thread Glenn Wilcock
Hi, One more thing to try before capturing a dump and opening a pmr is to try an HRECALL with the WAIT option. It appears that the recall request is queued up and not being selected for processing. No-wait type requests will wait indefinitely, but if there is something that is preventing

Re: System Symbols Question

2014-01-23 Thread John Gilmore
There is now long experience with the PL/I convention that assigns a source string that is longer than the [maximal allocated or declared] length of the target string with 1) truncation on the right and 2) silently. It works well, at least where it is understood. Complaints about it among PL/I

Re: rentrant Open

2014-01-23 Thread DASDBILL2
Seymour's statement is correct, but slightly misleading. The problem is not that the DCB and OPEN parameter list are in your CSECT.  The problem is that your DCB and OPEN parameter list are in virtual storage above the 24-bit address line, and this is because your CSECT is in storage above the

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread Mike Schwab
In order to cut the delays with a busy zIIP, wouldn't another workaround be to reduce to the delay from 3200 microseconds? Experiment with 2500, 2000, 1500, 1000, 700, 500, 400, ... until delay is reduced. Then creep it up by 100 if the zIIP utilization drops or GP rises and a little more delay

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread Martin Packer
ZIIPAWMT fiddling has issues as well as limits: With Hiperdispatch it's 3.2ms, double the 1.6ms without. That is the limit part of it. The issues part is, I think, to avoid too much IIPCP time and also I would expect undesirable cache effects. I actually don't cover ZIIPAWMT in the new

Re: TSO/E Reconnect

2014-01-23 Thread Skip Robinson
For logon reconnect, you also have to make sure that TSOKEY00 contains a nonzero value for RECONLIM= , This is the number of minutes that the system will 'preserve' a disconnected session. For reasons lost to time, we had '0' for this parameter for a long time. Zero says not to preserve such a

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Levono

2014-01-23 Thread Aled Hughes
I've spent several hours reading news reports from far and wide about this much anticipated development. What I would like to know is, what does this now mean to IBM's core business. More importantly, what is IBM's core business? Do I detect that System z is becoming more important? Mrs

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Levono

2014-01-23 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
aledlhug...@aol.com (Aled Hughes) writes: I've spent several hours reading news reports from far and wide about this much anticipated development. What I would like to know is, what does this now mean to IBM's core business. More importantly, what is IBM's core business? Do I detect that

OT: code-signing tutorial?

2014-01-23 Thread Charles Mills
Sorry to impose an OT topic on this list but Google has failed me. I am looking for a general tutorial on how SSL/TLS program distribution signing works. Level set: I *am* quite conversant with SSL/TLS technology as it applies to Web and similar clients and servers. Thanks much. (Not totally

Unix file tag

2014-01-23 Thread Mark Pace
I'm applying some maintenance and noted an ACTION item on a PTF. *If /dev/null currently has a file tag, issue chtag -r /dev/null before APPLY to remove the file tag. If /dev/null has a file tag after APPLY, remove /dev/null

Re: Unix file tag

2014-01-23 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm applying some maintenance and noted an ACTION item on a PTF. *If /dev/null currently has a file tag, issue chtag -r /dev/null before APPLY to remove the file tag.

Re: OT: code-signing tutorial?

2014-01-23 Thread Peter Ondruška
Perhaps the same way you would sign anything else, compute digest and sign that(?) On Thursday, 23 January 2014, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Sorry to impose an OT topic on this list but Google has failed me. I am looking for a general tutorial on how SSL/TLS program distribution

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Lenovo (was Levono)

2014-01-23 Thread Charles Mills
Lenovo. LENOVO. Spelling it right sure helps with search a couple of years from now. I think IBM's core business is (1) services and (2) software. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Aled Hughes Sent: Thursday,

Re: Unix file tag

2014-01-23 Thread Mark Pace
Thank you, John. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:40 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm applying some maintenance and noted an ACTION item on a PTF. *If /dev/null currently has a file tag, issue

Re: Unix file tag

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:40:09 -0600, John McKown wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mark Pace wrote: I'm applying some maintenance and noted an ACTION item on a PTF. *If /dev/null currently has a file tag, issue chtag -r /dev/null before APPLY to remove the file tag.

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 1/23/14, 7:33 AM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In 0384493556120387.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/22/2014 at 08:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:14:58 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Levono

2014-01-23 Thread Harry Wahl
Consider the timing of this announcement (though not the announcement itself). It coincides with, and is almost certainly intended to distract from, IBM's earnings announcement, which was dismal. IBM is only only member of the DOW to lose in 2013. The biggest thorn in IBM's fourth quarter

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Levono

2014-01-23 Thread Linda
I hope there will be an improvement. End users used to see well done commercials on TV (especially for major sporting events like the super bowl, bowl games, and the Olympics for new mainframes, especially new mainframe capabilities. Not now. Most ens uswrs remember the 'who stole the servers'

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Levono

2014-01-23 Thread Ed Finnell
Don't watch much TV, usually have it on to News or Sports. The Smarter planet adds are pretty but not very pithy. More like recruitment posters. The other one is the 'Watson' MIPs ad for big data. Void of practical solutions to business problems. Back to shutterfly-it's fun for a while.

Re: ISMF QUESTIONS - VIEWING STORAGE GROUP STATS

2014-01-23 Thread Neil Duffee
[insert Digest caveat] Well, will you look at that! *grin* I seem to recall that the panels were, at one time/version, in KB but I notice my current v1.12 help does, indeed, indicate MB. In fact, it also indicates they're not using the 1E6 factor but, rather, MB is 1,048,576 bytes. At any

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Mike Schwab
Here is the Info System reference to Machine Instructions. http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v2r1/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r1.asma400%2Fasmr102113.htm On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com wrote: On 1/23/14, 7:33 AM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:

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Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Neil Duffee
[insert daily Digest caveat] Gil: From what I've found, your short answer seems to be No. [1] I suspect that there might not *be* a non-pdf PoOps produced. For v1.12, v1.13, v2.1 [2], the PoOps is found as the 1st link on their respective Information Centre Home Pages but the links are

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Lenovo (was Levono)

2014-01-23 Thread Tony Harminc
On 23 January 2014 12:43, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I think IBM's core business is (1) services and (2) software. I don't think IBM has been in the core business since the early 1970s. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Lenovo (was Levono)

2014-01-23 Thread Charles Mills
Nyuck nyuck. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Lenovo (was Levono) On 23 January

Re: ISMF QUESTIONS - VIEWING STORAGE GROUP STATS

2014-01-23 Thread Mike Schwab
And if you switch to GB, a storage group with one Mod 9 shows up as 7 GB in z/OS 1.13. The DCollect records are calculated by the Track size in bytes * number of tracks, divided by 1024, and stored. To determine the number of cylinders from this size, I add 1 and divide by a slightly smaller

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 52e15bde.7020...@tulsagrammer.com, on 01/23/2014 at 12:13 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com said: That's strange, I thought it was perfectly obvious from the original post that Paul did NOT want PDF. How do you get that from I'd rather have a web interface to a current copy than

Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter?

2014-01-23 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: P[ro]Ops and Infocenter? In 52e15bde.7020...@tulsagrammer.com, on 01/23/2014

Re: Resistance to Java.

2014-01-23 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:26:04 +0800, David Crayford wrote: +1 for Martins blog post, which is excellent. Having said that, the whole zIIP concept is baroque from root to branch. Why couldn't IBM have come up with something much simpler? baroque implies (to me) some degree of ornate. Given the

PofOp -- 37MB??!

2014-01-23 Thread Phil Smith
How did the PofOp (z/Architecture Principles of Operation, SA22-7832-09) get to be 37MB?!?! Are there hidden pictures of nekkid zEC12s hiding in there? Seriously, I remember when it was ... ok, I remember when I could pick up a printed copy in one hand. But that *was* a while ago. ...phsiii

Re: PofOp -- 37MB??!

2014-01-23 Thread Ed Gould
Phil: It probably has the hiding place of the infamous Darren around page 337a Ed On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Phil Smith wrote: How did the PofOp (z/Architecture Principles of Operation, SA22-7832-09) get to be 37MB?!?! Are there hidden pictures of nekkid zEC12s hiding in there?

Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Lenovo

2014-01-23 Thread Timothy Sipples
somebody over in linkedin ibm group just mentioned that they are trying to figure out how much of the sale is cash and how much is levono stock. Then they're not trying very hard. That exact information is contained in paragraph one of IBM's press release:

Re: OT: code-signing tutorial?

2014-01-23 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 24/01/2014 4:28, Charles Mills wrote: I am looking for a general tutorial on how SSL/TLS program distribution signing works. Level set: I *am* quite conversant with SSL/TLS technology as it applies to Web and similar clients and servers. Thanks much. (Not totally OT: one thing I want to

Re: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)

2014-01-23 Thread Brian Westerman
I think that might be the best solution. It seems that I will have to keep track of how much detail I'm inserting into the link, but it seems doable, Thanks for your idea, Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)

2014-01-23 Thread Brian Westerman
That's how I currently send it. Both parts currently contain exactly the same data (although the HTML one looks nicer), and if the recipient doesn't support HTML, they only see the TEXT part. It's probably the best solution for the normal data that gets sent, I think I iwll use Tim's