Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-27 Thread Glenn Wilcock
Thanks Mike. ABARS is great for this type of use case. ABACKUP with the MOVE option will backup all data types (no recall for migrated data) and delete the original copies, including the migrated data sets. Thus creating a single backup of all of the related data. Essentially, an Archive

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Mike Schwab
ABARS does not recall datasets. ABARS copies the VTape ML1/2/backup to the new archive tape. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=guide-aggregate-backup-recovery-support-abars On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 12:59 PM Jack Zukt wrote: > Hi, > You coul use HSM ABARs. It will recall any migrated

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Jon Perryman
On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:47:59 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Well, Keith metioned *a switch*. Turning on the switch implies that everyone agreed that the feature benefits are more important than the risks. This is acceptable because IBM warned you and your company accepted the risks.

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 23.11.2023 o 22:32, Jon Perryman pisze: On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:47:24 +, Keith Gooding wrote: I certainly would like the option to tell dss to recall datasets I feel your pain but I personally agree with IBM's decision. Realize this is z/OS with specialists instead UNIX with its

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Jon Perryman
On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:47:24 +, Keith Gooding wrote: >I certainly would like the option to tell dss to recall datasets I feel your pain but I personally agree with IBM's decision. Realize this is z/OS with specialists instead UNIX with its jack of all trades. DASD sysprog, performa

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Keith Gooding
Jon. I certainly would like the option to tell dss to recall datasets so that they can be copied or backed up. A common use case for me is to back up , or copy and rename, a set of software libraries for archiving or distribution to another system (a bit like a zOSMF portable software instance

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 23.11.2023 o 20:11, Jon Perryman pisze: On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:57:53 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: I need to dump a lot of small dataset with HLQ=user_to_be_deleted. Since the user is no longer active, most of. datasets are migrated to ML1 and ML2. Do you really need another backup

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
IBM do not have an option for adrdssu to go the recall automatically - there have been some requests on IBM ideas. This recall method does not work for more complicated dss filters such as “MYID.**.DATA” Keith Gooding On 23 Nov 2023, at 17:32, Radoslaw Skorupka<0471ebeac275-dmarc-r

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Jon Perryman
On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:18:23 +, Keith Gooding wrote: >I do not know why IBM do not have an option for adrdssu to go the recall >automatically - there have been some requests on IBM ideas. The last thing you want is for ADRDSSU to become long running waiting on multiple recalls from

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Jon Perryman
On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:57:53 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >I need to dump a lot of small dataset with HLQ=user_to_be_deleted. >Since the user is no longer active, most of. datasets are migrated to ML1 >and ML2. Do you really need another backup since HSM already backed them up? If HRECALL

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Jack Zukt
Hi, You coul use HSM ABARs. It will recall any migrated dataset that matches your filter. Best wishes Jack On Thu, Nov 23, 2023, 16:58 Radoslaw Skorupka < 0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I need to dump a lot of small dataset with HLQ=user_to_be_deleted. > Since the user

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Keith Gooding
for more complicated dss filters such as “MYID.**.DATA” Keith Gooding > On 23 Nov 2023, at 17:32, Radoslaw Skorupka > <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Well, First, I DON'T WANT TO DELETE datasets. I wan to dump them to archive > file. > Second

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Well, First, I DON'T WANT TO DELETE datasets. I wan to dump them to archive file. Second, I want to avoid manual typing/clicking. :-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 23.11.2023 o 18:01, Steve Beaver pisze: Bring the list up in 3.4 then do a hdelete By every dsn and hit enter Sent

Re: DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Steve Beaver
Bring the list up in 3.4 then do a hdelete By every dsn and hit enter Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Nov 23, 2023, at 10:57, Radoslaw Skorupka > <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I need to dump a lot of small dataset with

DSS dump and migrated datasets

2023-11-23 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
I need to dump a lot of small dataset with HLQ=user_to_be_deleted. Since the user is no longer active, most of datasets are migrated to ML1 and ML2. By default ADRDSSU does not process migrated datasets. Is there any method to circumvent it? It can be anything, including scripted "touch". --

Re: [External] Re: DF/DSS copy command fast replication problem

2021-05-06 Thread Pommier, Rex
Of Robert2 Gensler Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: DF/DSS copy command fast replication problem Hi Rex, There is an option in DEVSUPxx to enable FlashCopy on async pprc devices. The option is FLASHCOPYTOGM and unfortunately it has not made

Re: DF/DSS copy command fast replication problem

2021-05-06 Thread Robert2 Gensler
Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 05/05/2021 05:13:31 PM: > From: "Pommier, Rex" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 05/05/2021 05:13 PM > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: DF/DSS copy command fast replication problem > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > Hi, > >

Re: DF/DSS copy command fast replication problem

2021-05-05 Thread Pommier, Rex
Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 1:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] DF/DSS copy command fast replication problem Hello list, I'm having a mental midget moment. I have an IBM DS array that is a PPRC source to a second array. Some volumes are being replicated

DF/DSS copy command fast replication problem

2021-05-05 Thread Pommier, Rex
Hello list, I'm having a mental midget moment. I have an IBM DS array that is a PPRC source to a second array. Some volumes are being replicated to the remote site and others are not. I am doing dataset level flashcopy through DF/DSS COPY commands from one SMS storage group to another

Re: DSS

2019-10-16 Thread Allan Staller
Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Nai, Dean Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: DSS Hi, I'm just reaching here because it's probably a hardware limitation but I'll ask anyway. Our current backup solution is to flashcopy our volumes and then go

DSS

2019-10-16 Thread Nai, Dean
Hi, I'm just reaching here because it's probably a hardware limitation but I'll ask anyway. Our current backup solution is to flashcopy our volumes and then go back and dump them to tape using DSS. Now we started backing up some of the huge E3 volumes and it's been taking 50 minutes per

Conversion aid/utility from DF/DSS dump by data set to FDRAPPL

2017-04-17 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Has anyone written a utility that aids in the conversion from DF/DSS (ADRDSSU) dump by data set to Innovation Data Processing's FDRAPPL? //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //OUT DD DSN=DFDSS.DUMP.BY.DATA.SET, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE),UNIT=TAPE //SYSINDD

Re: DSS RESTORE with SMS Managed 3584 Library - How??

2016-10-19 Thread John McKown
> management > . > Does anyone have any idea as to how to resolve this? > . > I did find the following thread - https://groups.google.com/ > forum/#!topic/bit.listserv.ibm-main/mnyNGm6GzEg but it is referring more > to the standalone DSS services > . > Thanks, Roger > >

DSS RESTORE with SMS Managed 3584 Library - How??

2016-10-19 Thread Roger Lowe
um/#!topic/bit.listserv.ibm-main/mnyNGm6GzEg but it is referring more to the standalone DSS services . Thanks, Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-06 Thread Clark Morris
On 5 Feb 2016 15:25:43 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On 2/5/2016 11:15 AM, Skip Robinson wrote: >> One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically >> assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read is >> expected to be a bootstrap

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Alan Altmark
ectively mounts >it in the drive!!! > >If this is documented in the 3584 Operations guide, I never found it. It >should be CLEARLY documented there as well as in the DSS stand-alone >restore procedures section under "Using a Tape Library". I will submit >an RCF to get the z

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Skip Robinson
...@att.net > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Crispin Hugo > Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 11:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library -

Restore at DR site when no mirroring was Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Clark Morris
just one of those could be insurmountable. > >2. Tape technology has totally transformed. I haven't held a cartridge in my >hand for years. What would I do with one anyway? Tape here is completely >virtual except for a few 'real drives' that hold data offloaded from virtual. >There is lite

Re: Restore at DR site when no mirroring was Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Mike Schwab
ere is completely >>virtual except for a few 'real drives' that hold data offloaded from virtual. >>There is literally no place to insert and read a DSS recovery volume. > > For those who don't mirror to an off-site location, how would they > restore the system to another box

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Steve Finch
:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote: > I have not tried this personally but IBM System Storage TS3500 Tape Library > GUI under section Cartridges allows one to select cartridge in L

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
Operations guide, I never found it. It should be CLEARLY documented there as well as in the DSS stand-alone restore procedures section under "Using a Tape Library". I will submit an RCF to get the z/OS pub updated. Many thanks to Crispin Hugo and Steve Finch for suggesting and

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 9:40 AM, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wrote: Have your DS8xxx brought to your current location, hook it up and populate, power down, disconnect and ship it to the new place Haha! I didn't see the winking smiley ( ;-) ) but I assume it's there: 1. Purchase and install new FICON

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Skip Robinson
nframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Steve Finch > Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 10:57 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > We do the manual cartridge move from a slot to a

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Gibney, David Allen,Jr
5, 2016 9:13 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > I apologize for totally missing the context of the question. I was thinking > recovery. We had the same problem when we installed new z12s in our > brand-new da

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
rate Tieline - 89443 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 12:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Skip Robinson
nframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe > Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 10:44 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > On 2/5/2016 9:40 AM, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wro

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote: I have not tried this personally but IBM System Storage TS3500 Tape Library GUI under section Cartridges allows one to select cartridge in Library and move it to a specific slot, the slot can be any of the cartridge drives in the Library. I assume

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Crispin Hugo
Please let me know how it goes ! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: 05 February 2016 08:18 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Gibney, David Allen,Jr
LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > On 2/5/2016 9:40 AM, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wrote: > > Have your DS8xxx brought to your current location, hook it up and > > populate, power down, disconnect and ship it to the new place >

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 12:09 PM, Robert Haimowitz wrote: You no longer need an ICKDSF IPL tape with the current DFDSS. Bob Excellent. And, since this is z/OS 2.2 it should work fine... :-\ -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Finnell
How about a virtual training aid that has Tape Gui and Internal Library stack? Seems like a summer project for an intern. In a message dated 2/5/2016 3:49:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, alan_altm...@us.ibm.com writes: and can click on HELP or the actual buttons, you're going to have

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 1:49 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: Ed, I don't think it's up to z/OS to document how to move cartridges around in every tape library, nor appropriate for it to do so. Perhaps not, but that's what they do. Don't worry, I won't send the same RCF in for z/VM. Your comment got me to

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 11:15 AM, Skip Robinson wrote: One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read is expected to be a bootstrap record. If a tape has labels, the first load will fail, but the tape will be

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Clifford McNeill
kip.robin...@att.net> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread John Eells
Bob beat me to it! But I'll add this: ...when you specify NOVERIFY (or NVFY) on the RESTORE command. Robert Haimowitz wrote: You no longer need an ICKDSF IPL tape with the current DFDSS. Bob -- John Eells IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Robert Haimowitz
IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/05/2016 02:43 PM Subject:Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Also don't forget the stand alone ICKDSF IPL tape to init the disk drives before a stand alo

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Ed Jaffe
n with SA DSS RESTORE on file #1, a DASD volume with SA DSS RESTORE IPL text as file #2, and enough other volumes on files #3 through #n to bring up a simple MVS system that can then restore everything else -- including z/VM, zLinux, z/VSE, etc. We need to test the process here to be sure it

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Crispin Hugo
drive. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: 05 February 2016 07:38 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 9:58 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: >

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Mike Schwab
Is there any way to log in to issue a mount command within the tape library? Maybe manually mount the Stand Alone Restore tape the first time. Leave one Stand Alone DASD volume up and erase everything else after exercises? Refresh by restoring to another volume then IPLing from it? On Thu, Feb 4,

Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Ed Jaffe
Learned Sysprogs: In "z/OS DFSMSdss Storage Administration" in the chapter entitled, "DFSMSdss stand-alone services" there is a section called "Using a tape library" wherein detailed procedures document how to IPL (or otherwise read) a tape from a 3494 or 3495 tape library into the

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Skip Robinson
a cartridge in my hand for years. What would I do with one anyway? Tape here is completely virtual except for a few 'real drives' that hold data offloaded from virtual. There is literally no place to insert and read a DSS recovery volume. Instead of standalone restore, plan to recover a system

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/4/2016 7:17 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: Is there any way to log in to issue a mount command within the tape library? Not that I can find. http://publibfp.dhe.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/a3205604.pdf -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Anthony Thompson
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 7:17 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > Is there any way to log in to issue a mount command within the tape library? Not that I can find. http://publibfp.dhe.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/a3205604.pdf -- Edward E Ja

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1239576652662657.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>, on 01/02/2016 at 10:14 PM, Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said: >http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/serviceForConsultants Thanks for the link; it should be useful for wiki editing. Do you

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup &...

2016-01-04 Thread Geoff Rousell
Just found the archived announcement letter: IBM Announcement Letter Number P80-114 dated June 11, 1980 DATA FACILITY/DATA SET SERVICES RELEASE 1 5740-UT3 The Data Facility/Data Set Services program product assists OS/VS (MVS and VS1) users with protection and recovery of

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup &...

2016-01-03 Thread Ed Finnell
That's consistent with my recollection. Lots of ESP's(and APARs) back then in prep for XA. Our storage folks were dismayed at performance and abends so quickly switched to FDR and Sterling's DMS(?) In a message dated 1/2/2016 10:14:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/02/2016 04:04 PM, Stephen Mednick wrote: > Looking to find the answer to the question "in which year did IBM release > its DF/DSS backup & restore product. > > Cheers, > Stephen Mednick > Computer Supervisory Services > Sydney, Australia > > > Asia/Pa

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/02/2016 05:46 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > On 01/02/2016 04:04 PM, Stephen Mednick wrote: >> Looking to find the answer to the question "in which year did IBM release >> its DF/DSS backup & restore product. >> >> Cheers, >> Stephen Mednick >> Co

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
ibmm...@computersupervisoryservices.com (Stephen Mednick) writes: > Looking to find the answer to the question "in which year did IBM release > its DF/DSS backup & restore product. some trivia from the web https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/InsideSyst

Re: History question - In what year did IBM first release its DF/DSS backup & restore product?

2016-01-02 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 18:30:23 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > An on-line copy of "Aug 83 Product Summary Software" shows Release 1.0 >(5740-AM6) of DF/DSS was available at that time for OS/VS1 (with later >releases available for OS/VS2). The description says it was

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-29 Thread Lizette Koehler
Cross posting to RACF and IBMMAIN And just when I thought the discussion had lessened, out on TECHTARGET are a couple of articles on PCI If you are interested, here is the link to the website. Videos, books and articles on PCI DSS. Note: They will ask you to join if you are not a subscriber

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-24 Thread Staller, Allan
That is not the presentation I have. What I have are a series of 10-15 presentations the seem to go deeper into each subject that that presentation in the referenced document. Each presentation is 10-20 slides. You might want to contact Gwen directly: gde...@us.ibm.com HTH, snip Is this it:

PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-23 Thread Phil Smith
We have a customer who is exploring how to achieve PCI DSS compliance in their z/OS environment. Their perception (I deliberately do not use the word conviction, as they are by no means convinced of this) is that they need to move the CDE applications to a separate Sysplex. This seems excessive

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-23 Thread Phil Smith
Allan Staller wrote: There was a workshop given by Gwen Dente of IBM ATS a couple of years back. PCI COMPLIANCE with z/OS Communications Server and System Z It should be of immeasurable help. Is this it: http://www.stuhenderson.com/Handouts/BWRUG_PCIStart_CS.pdf ? If so, thanks, that's useful

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
Phil, There is a RACF list that might also provide insight on PCI DSS functions. If you have not joined, you can do so at this url RACFhttp://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/racf-l.html Here are some links that might help with understanding http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-23 Thread Staller, Allan
There was a workshop given by Gwen Dente of IBM ATS a couple of years back. PCI COMPLIANCE with z/OS Communications Server and System Z It should be of immeasurable help. HTH, snip We have a customer who is exploring how to achieve PCI DSS compliance in their z/OS environment

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-23 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Of Staller, Allan Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PCI DSS compliance question There was a workshop given by Gwen Dente of IBM ATS a couple of years back. PCI COMPLIANCE with z/OS Communications Server and System Z It should be of immeasurable help. HTH

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
, July 23, 2015 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PCI DSS compliance question Another place to go and chat would be developer works for security https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id =-0 000---1255 Lizette

Re: PCI DSS compliance question

2015-07-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
Of Phil Smith Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PCI DSS compliance question Allan Staller wrote: There was a workshop given by Gwen Dente of IBM ATS a couple of years back. PCI COMPLIANCE with z/OS Communications Server and System Z It should

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Todd Arnold
Phil Smith wrote: ... and when decommissioning hardware-no more How many DSEs should we do? or Should we take the drives out back, shoot ‘em with a 12-gauge, and then drop ‘em in the ocean?. Actually, there is a much more interesting corollary to this scenario. If you have a drive that

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Steve Coalbran
Microwave it! /Steve From: Todd Arnold arno...@us.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 2015-05-19 14:25 Subject:Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Phil Smith wrote: ... and when decommissioning

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Phil Smith
Tom Brennan wrote: As a side note, I bought a couple Western Digital Passport drives that connect via USB to my PC (for mailing data). I copied data to the drive and oops, I forgot to encrypt before mailing. So I ran through the encryption process which suprised me because it only took a

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Phil Smith
Charles Mills wrote: I think much of the problem is with credit card numbers themselves. There are only ~10**16 possible credit card numbers -- many fewer if you allow for the fact that only certain combinations are valid. A credit card number is easier to brute-force guess than its encryption

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:25:41 -0500, Todd Arnold arno...@us.ibm.com wrote: Phil Smith wrote: ... and when decommissioning hardware-no more How many DSEs should we do? or Should we take the drives out back, shoot ‘em with a 12-gauge, and then drop ‘em in the ocean?. Actually, there is a much

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
disguised as criteria on when notification was required). The PCI DSS specification came out after the appearance of the cal. state data breach notification and referenced by federal legislation attempting to eliminate notification requirements ... because the industry was addressing the problem

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Tony Harminc
On 17 May 2015 at 14:39, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: Format-preserving data protection methods achieve PCI DSS compliance while enabling persistent, data-centric security. “Format-preserving” means that the encrypted/tokenized values look and feel like plaintext: same length, same

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Todd Arnold
I think much of the problem is with credit card numbers themselves. There are only ~10**16 possible credit card numbers... Actually, it's much worse than that. You can't encrypt all of the PAN for a credit card. Typically, the first part (the BIN) is required in cleartext in order to route

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Phil Smith
Tony Harminc wrote: I've heard about this format-preserving encryption for a while, but haven't had the justification for spending time to really understand what goes on. But it seems to me on the face of it that any such encryption must be substantially weaker than what we usually think of as

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-19 Thread Charles Mills
Subject: Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS Charles Mills wrote: I think much of the problem is with credit card numbers themselves. There are only ~10**16 possible credit card numbers -- many fewer if you allow for the fact that only certain combinations are valid. A credit card number is easier

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-18 Thread Phil Smith
Russell Witt wrote: Interesting discussion. But taken another step, wouldn't the same also apply then to encrypted physical tape? As well as encrypted virtual tape? I believe that all physical tape encryption is done in a fashion similar; if you have authority to the data the volume will be

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-18 Thread Phil Smith
Todd Arnold wrote: The article you referenced seems to assume whole-disk encryption is always implemented using software on your computer, since it says the operating system has the decryption key to access the disk. That is not true, of course, for self-encrypting disk drives (or tape drives)

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-18 Thread Tom Brennan
Phil Smith wrote: ... and when decommissioning hardware-no more How many DSEs should we do? or Should we take the drives out back, shoot ‘em with a 12-gauge, and then drop ‘em in the ocean?. Now you're spoiling all the fun! But that's a really good point I never heard before. As a side

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-18 Thread Todd Arnold
The article you referenced seems to assume whole-disk encryption is always implemented using software on your computer, since it says the operating system has the decryption key to access the disk. That is not true, of course, for self-encrypting disk drives (or tape drives) where the

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-17 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sun, 17 May 2015 11:39:25 -0700, Phil Smith wrote: Warning: long post ahead, and of course it’s pushing the hammer that we sell My eyes tend to glaze over when these threads arise, but I did at least learn that HP had acquired Voltage ;-) Shane ...

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
I *think* Phil and I and some others will be talking about PCI DSS 3.0 and the mainframe at 4:30 on Wednesday at SHARE Orlando. Not fixed in stone yet. I could pitch our PCI DSS hammer here also but it's a little O/T to the actual question. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-17 Thread Russell Witt
Smith Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS Warning: long post ahead, and of course it’s pushing the hammer that we sell, but (I believe) there are universal truths included. Frank, You’re asking the right questions. The basic

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-17 Thread Phil Smith
answers are different—as Target, Sony, Neiman Marcus, and a host of other companies who were PCI compliant and had passed audits can testify. Industry opinion agrees with Peter Farley’s post: we do not believe that disk-level encryption satisfies PCI DSS, in part because it does not meet

Re: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-15 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
: PCI DSS compliance for z/OS There has been a lot of discussion back and forth at my company as to what it means to meet the PCI DSS (Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard) requirement for data at rest, which I believe refers to the following from the PCI DSS v3.0: 3.4 Render PAN

PCI DSS compliance for z/OS

2015-05-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
There has been a lot of discussion back and forth at my company as to what it means to meet the PCI DSS (Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard) requirement for data at rest, which I believe refers to the following from the PCI DSS v3.0: 3.4 Render PAN unreadable anywhere it is stored

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-10-20 Thread Rob Schramm
for PCI-DSS compliance Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU In of919a62a3.59be1d57-on88257be4.00500ef8-88257be4.00510...@sce.com, on 09/12/2013 at 07:44 AM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said: While the most obvious value of STP may

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-16 Thread Skip Robinson
for PCI-DSS compliance Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU In of919a62a3.59be1d57-on88257be4.00500ef8-88257be4.00510...@sce.com, on 09/12/2013 at 07:44 AM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said: While the most obvious value of STP may be synchronization

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-12 Thread Timothy Sipples
Shmuel Metz writes: The criticism is *not* that STP has a separate charge, but rather that the automated setting of the time *ON A SINGLE BOX* requires STP, which is chargeable. I don't recall anybody complaining that sub-millisecond synchronization between boxes should be free. OK, so that's

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of811b14da.8838eb3f-on48257be4.0035cc4f-48257be4.00386...@sg.ibm.com, on 09/12/2013 at 06:14 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: OK, so that's where you'd like to draw the no additional charge/separately chargeable line. I can see several possibilities. In order of preference:

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-12 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 09/12/2013 06:55 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In of811b14da.8838eb3f-on48257be4.0035cc4f-48257be4.00386...@sg.ibm.com, on 09/12/2013 at 06:14 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: OK, so that's where you'd like to draw the no additional charge/separately chargeable

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-12 Thread Skip Robinson
-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 09/12/2013 07:08 AM Subject:Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5231cab7.8000...@acm.org, on 09/12/2013 at 09:07 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: Forward-only nudging wouldn't be very useful unless the TOD clock was also deliberately designed to always run a hair slow Then maybe steering by slowing down every N ticks, but I'd be very nervous

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of919a62a3.59be1d57-on88257be4.00500ef8-88257be4.00510...@sce.com, on 09/12/2013 at 07:44 AM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said: While the most obvious value of STP may be synchronization of multiple z CECs in a glass house, it is invaluable for synchronizing all z CECs with the

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw Skorupka writes: Although PCI-DSS does not mention explicitly NTP, but this is the only solution for mainframe, which in turn requires STP enablement, which means $$$, which is quite unique among other platforms, because others can act as NTP client for free. No, you cannot assume

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In offafe5c57.5a2683f5-on48257be3.002c050c-48257be3.00333...@sg.ibm.com, on 09/11/2013 at 05:17 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: By the way, I'm rather tired of the implicit and explicit criticisms that Server Time Protocol (STP) has a separate charge. The criticism is *not* that

Re: NTP server with System z for PCI-DSS compliance

2013-09-11 Thread John McKown
-11 11:17, Timothy Sipples pisze: Radoslaw Skorupka writes: Although PCI-DSS does not mention explicitly NTP, but this is the only solution for mainframe, which in turn requires STP enablement, which means $$$, which is quite unique among other platforms, because others can act as NTP client

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