I call it capitalism at it's worse. Pure greed!!!
r hey wrote:
Search on Z/OS or ZOS or OS390 or OS/390 on the site www.monster.com
there is over 400 jobs,
But if 500 are looking for jobs 100 have not worked for over 1
year, SPs are forced into retirement at 50, then that's not much
Search on Z/OS or ZOS or OS390 or OS/390 on the site www.monster.com
there is over 400 jobs,
But if 500 are looking for jobs 100 have not worked for over 1
year, SPs are forced into retirement at 50, then that's not much of a
demand.
I should have used the term 'shortage' not demand.
r hey wrote:
Poland
R.S.:
I tried a few companies there CZ, but didn't get far.
I wasn't even after big $.
I know about some vacancies currently.
I get several serious job offerings yearly, and more not very serious.
Salaries - well - IT salaries, (especially mainframe) are very
Search on Z/OS or ZOS or OS390 or OS/390 on the site www.monster.com there is
over 400 jobs, with jobs in just about any populated area of the US.
r hey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a city/country in the world with a
real shortage of M/F
sysprogs?
TIA,
Rez
From my perspective , there isnt a Shortage of Mainframe Systems People.
Companies today simply do NOT want to pay for the expertise.
Most Sys-Progs I know are not Just specializing in CICS or Z/OS or RACF.
The Companise I have seen want multiple skill sets and DO NOT WANT TO PAY
for That
Eric Bielefeld wrote
Also, management
seems to want to eliminate the positions, and make do with the rest of
the staff instead of replacing the person leaving.
Well I have to agree with Eric. One person leaving is Not too bad.
However when A Company decides to downsize and 2- 3 sys-progs leave
I know that in Wisconsin, for the few jobs that came up lately, there
seems to be no shortage of people applying for them. Also, management
seems to want to eliminate the positions, and make do with the rest of
the staff instead of replacing the person leaving. I've found this in
at least 3
On Jul 26, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
I know that in Wisconsin, for the few jobs that came up lately, there
seems to be no shortage of people applying for them. Also, management
seems to want to eliminate the positions, and make do with the rest of
the staff instead of replacing
An updated version -
A CEO was trying to save money. So, each year, he let his computer
systems go a little bit longer without upgrading. The CEO later
lamented: Just when I had gotten them to not upgrading anything, the
systems up and died on me!
Thanks,
Jim Weidt
Senior Systems Engineer
---snip---
Not only have they pocketed their bonus for reducing this month's bottom
line, they have moved on to a different company or government agency and
don't care about the mess they left behind.
---unsnip--
And
Not only have they pocketed their bonus for reducing this month's bottom
line, they have moved on to a different company or government agency and
don't care about the mess they left behind.
/Tom Kern
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:34:48 -0500, McKown, John
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Yes, but that doesn't
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I probably tuned out before they got to those items... ;)
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Paul D'Angelo
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
Gary Green wrote
Last week I
Gary Green wrote
Last week I was approached for a SSP position and the recruiter thought
they
were doing me a favor by offering me the whopping salary of 65-69 a year!
They wanted z/OS (ALL flavors), CICS, IMS, DB2, the usual SMP/E,
Assembler,
Cobol, CA, ISV products, 24x7 coverage, yada, yada,
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: sysprog demand
You can get along with less for a while. Eventually burn out
will occur
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:18:57 +1000, Stephen Mednick ibm-
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I don't know where you are situated at the moment but there always seems ?
to be a demand in some of the Asia/Pacific areas, Singapore, Hong Kong etc.
Maybe you should learn Chinese.
Stephen Mednick
Computer
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
On Jul 26, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
I know that in Wisconsin, for the few jobs that came up lately, there
seems to be no shortage of people applying for them. Also,
management
seems to want to eliminate the positions
Poland
R.S.:
I tried a few companies there CZ, but didn't get far.
I wasn't even after big $.
To me good signs of 'demand' are:
1- demand is far more than the 'local supply', so companies have to
hire people from other countries.
2- finding a job doesn't take long for local people.
Based
A 50 hour week! Egads, where do I sign up?
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ed Gould
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
On Jul 26, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Eric Bielefeld wrote
List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ray Mullins
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:23 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
That's my observation, too, and it's not just sysprogs, it is application
and ISV developers. Yet when there's an opening, recruiters come out
: Thursday, July 26, 2007 05:49
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
From my perspective , there isnt a Shortage of Mainframe Systems People.
Companies today simply do NOT want to pay for the expertise.
Most Sys-Progs I know are not Just specializing in CICS or Z/OS or RACF
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Wilkie
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:38 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
A couple travelling to California on a 4 engine aircraft
heard the pilot say
staff, have a bigger profit, things may take a
little longer.
Bill
From: Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:20:21 -0500
Not only have they pocketed their bonus
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul D'Angelo
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog demand
Well I have to agree with Eric. One person leaving is Not too bad.
However when A Company decides to downsize and 2- 3
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:10:37 -0700, r hey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a city/country in the world with a real shortage of M/F
sysprogs?
No, no company or government wants to pay sysprog salaries for an admin to
'retry, reboot and reinstall' their windows servers.
/Tom Kern
I don't know where you are situated at the moment but there always seems to be a
demand in some of the Asia/Pacific areas, Singapore, Hong Kong etc. Maybe you
should learn Chinese.
Stephen Mednick
Computer Supervisory Services
Sydney, Australia
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From: IBM Mainframe
Is there a city/country in the world with a real shortage of M/F sysprogs?
We always think so.
But, I have been dumped twice in the last three years!
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Stephen Mednick wrote:
I don't know where you are situated at the moment but there always seems to be a
demand in some of the Asia/Pacific areas, Singapore, Hong Kong etc. Maybe you
should learn Chinese.
H. Any application programmer training leads? I've taught
in Singapore, sold course
Hi Rez,
In principle, you only need one job, and a vacancy is where and
when you find it.
Some sysprog could overdose on the weekend and shuffle off his/her
mortal coil, creating a vacancy that you can fill Monday. It's life on
the ocean wave.
You could approach an multi-national
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 14:26 +0800, Ron Hawkins wrote:
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9 zeroes. I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s of km.
Phhht - you'd wonder why they'd bother.
I'm surprised companies that small can afford
: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 14:26 +0800, Ron Hawkins wrote:
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9 zeroes.
I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s of
km.
Phhht - you'd wonder why they'd
In a message dated 3/10/2007 4:20:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm anybody's for the right price. You can find me on a street cornet in
Fortitude Valley...
Reminds me of a sign (bumper sticker? cartoon?) I saw at a computer
conference in the early 1990s
On Mar 10, 2007, at 12:26 AM, Ron Hawkins wrote:
Ed,
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9
zeroes. I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s
of km.
There are some itsy bitsy accounts mixed in with the larger ones,
but the
shared
Ed,
The companies I'm referring to are from USA, Europe and Australia, but my
experience with them outsourcing is in Australia and Asia.
Bruce Hewson's example is a very, very, very American company.
I think it has very little to do with nationalities, and a lot to do with
costs.
Ron
I
Howard,
How about keeping our business inside our country - which also
contains sizeable numbers of people who are a threat?
Well, just to be fair, how about taking any other country's business out of
your country.
The model that I come across for many outsourcing companies is that having
The model that I come across for many outsourcing companies is that having
many customers sharing the same site and infrastructure leads to a lower cost
that can be passed on to the customer.
Until (when/if) the service providers start cutting costs by getting rid of the
(expensive) SME's and
Ted,
Canada, right? Must be something peculiar going on in your part of the
Commonwealth.
I have seen companies from outsourced in Australia and Asia that have been
happily running that way for 10 years or more. This includes Banks, Finance
companies, retail stores, Telcos and Manufacturers. I
Canada, right? Must be something peculiar going on in your part of the
Commonwealth.
Actually, while I'm a Canadian, the company is head-officed in the States.
I can't go into too much detail, but our service provider is in the southern
states and they are dumbed-down.
Plus, we outsourced
On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Ron Hawkins wrote:
Ted,
Canada, right? Must be something peculiar going on in your part of the
Commonwealth.
I have seen companies from outsourced in Australia and Asia that
have been
happily running that way for 10 years or more. This includes Banks,
Finance
Ed,
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9 zeroes. I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s of km.
There are some itsy bitsy accounts mixed in with the larger ones, but the
shared resources, premises and infrastructure improves the costs of
Steve_Thompson @ ibm-main.lst wrote:
I'm baffled at outsourcing to countries that are a security risk to the
USofA. Countries that have a sizeable number of Islamic radicals should not be
targets of outsourcing.
How about keeping our business inside our country - which also contains
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Day
The thing that has baffled me about outsourcing is how do
companies actually save money since now the outsourcer
includes in its costs marketing expenses and profits.
Salary for a programmer in
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bruce Hewson
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:54 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
Hello Howard,
what our and we ?!?!
I work outside my
On 1 Mar 2007 21:57:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Hello Howard,
what our and we ?!?!
I work outside my country of citizenship, in an Asian country, for a global
multi-national company, which happens to be headquartered in USA.
We run applications for my host country and also
On 1 Mar 2007 21:57:44 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Hewson)
wrote:
what our and we ?!?!
I was responding to someone objecting to outsourcing for security
reasons - I hope that my answer applies to a variable we.
In the example of defeating the USSR, it was the wealth of the West
that won -
---snip-
A friend made a very good point that many sysprogs lost their jobs in OZ
due to outsourcing; like one company had 8 SP, then outsourced,
eventually ended up with 2 SP supporting a few sites.
Has this also been a factor in US?
On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
---snip-
A friend made a very good point that many sysprogs lost their jobs
in OZ due to outsourcing; like one company had 8 SP, then
outsourced, eventually ended up with 2 SP supporting a few sites.
On 1 Mar 2007 11:31:12 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
---snip-
A friend made a very good point that many sysprogs lost their jobs
in OZ due to outsourcing; like one company had 8 SP, then
The thing that has baffled me about outsourcing is how do companies
actually save money since now the outsourcer includes in its costs
marketing expenses and profits.
Salary for a programmer in India is about 10k per annum.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clark Morris
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
snip
The thing that has baffled me about outsourcing is how
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
snip
The thing that has baffled me about
On 1 Mar 2007 12:59:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:
I'm baffled at outsourcing to countries that are a security risk to the
USofA. Countries that have a sizeable number of Islamic radicals should
not be targets of outsourcing.
How about keeping our business inside our
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:16:25 +1000, FRASER, Brian wrote:
John Deere Technology Center
Cyber City, Magarpatta City, Hadapsar
I read a story this morning on IGNITES about Franklin Templeton Investments
launching a new mega-campus in Hyderabad, India. According to the
article, It's the firm’s
On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
On 1 Mar 2007 11:31:12 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
---snip-
A friend made a very good point that many sysprogs lost their jobs
in OZ due
Hello Howard,
what our and we ?!?!
I work outside my country of citizenship, in an Asian country, for a global
multi-national company, which happens to be headquartered in USA.
We run applications for my host country and also other countries around the
world.
So I am an ex-pat working at an
Yes, I would have to agree with John. While IBM z/OS Mainframes are
certainly my favorite piece of the technology (I go back to 1975, DOS/VS),
I have had to learn Linux and solaris 'well' and Microsoft moderately
well, in order to stay in demand. Education in Networking and SAN's do
not
R.S. wrote:
2. JES2. IBM moved JES2 development to India. I don't know when, but I
haven't noticed any problem with JES2. I also don't know location of
machine the JES2 developers work on.
This was a disaster! JES3 was able to retain one -- maybe two -- fairly
decent Indian developers for a
A friend made a very good point that many sysprogs lost their jobs in
OZ due to outsourcing; like one company had 8 SP, then outsourced,
eventually ended up with 2 SP supporting a few sites.
Has this also been a factor in US?
Regards,
Rez
Well,
IMHO, there are a lot of pressure on companies worldwide to keep costs
low, the result is more and more sysprogs are pushed upward towards
management so cheaper sysprogs can come from the OPS ranks. Especially
banks and telecoms companies use this strategy.
Herbie
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Van Dalsen, Herbie wrote:
Well,
IMHO, there are a lot of pressure on companies worldwide to keep costs
low, the result is more and more sysprogs are pushed upward towards
management so cheaper sysprogs can come from the OPS ranks. Especially
banks and telecoms companies use this strategy.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of r hey
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:42 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: sysprog demand in USA
There hasn't been much demand for sysprogs in Australia in the last 2
years.
How
I really don't think too many American companies are moving mainframe
computers to foreign countries, unless the business presence in the foreign
country demands a mainframe. I have to believe that most companies want
their mainframe at home on American soil where it is safe, and easy to
John Deere Technology Center
Cyber City, Magarpatta City, Hadapsar
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric N. Bielefeld
Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: sysprog
On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:
I really don't think too many American companies are moving
mainframe computers to foreign countries, unless the business
presence in the foreign country demands a mainframe. I have to
believe that most companies want their mainframe
Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:
I really don't think too many American companies are moving mainframe
computers to foreign countries, unless the business presence in the
foreign country demands a mainframe. I have to believe that most
companies want their mainframe at home on American soil where it
Check the archives for the moaning and groaning about layoffs, mainframe
power-downs, and the lack of openings/opportunities.
I don't believe it's all doom and gloom but any US company that can't find
domestic sysprogs is either not looking very hard or is offering
$36,000/year.
Unless you have
-snip---
There hasn't been much demand for sysprogs in Australia in the last 2
years. How is it in USA?
Is there enough demand for companies to sponsor H1B visa for sysprogs?
To my knowledge there isn't enough demand in Europe for them to
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