GDDM sounds very interesting, though perhaps too much in
the way of programming requirements on the z/OS side.
It depends, but probably not. If the signature images are already in DB2
for z/OS, fantastic. If not, there are fairly straightforward ways for a
CICS, IMS, TSO, or other 3270
At 10:46 -0600 on 10/02/2013, Steve Comstock wrote about Re:
Determining number of Parameters passed to a COBOL prog:
since not all languages honor the end of list flag (leftmost bit on
in the last
entry in the parameter list)
That is one of the two formats (the old 24-bit address format).
Lizette,
The last two times this happened to me it was an entitlement problem.
MA
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Hi, I'd like to find out how much interest there would be in a wider
range and more up to date ports of common open source software
utilities and also more low cost utilities. Kind of like a z/OS app
store where customers could go to easily purchase or download for
free such small programs.
In
cae1xxdgv1y_guhppcx5agfuy8edjqac18wby-o3o+vktzq8...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/30/2013
at 09:10 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
Moreover, I have never met a highly competent z/OS or z/VM systems
programmer who was willing to devote herself or himself
exclusively to security for a
We use a few products that are freeware like XMITIP or the free version of
Service Pilot NBA (formerly TDSLINK).
There a few others.
The CBTTAPE site is a great source for these types of products.
I'm not sure we need something else.
Gadi
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I ABEND with an S0C4 because R2 is not as I expected
That is definitely not a correct statement, but since you provided no
information about what really did get the PIC 4, it is hard to comment.
While R13 is not part of the interface, it happens to point to an area
that is in key 0
Not a big fan of EUT FRRs.
That's a curious statement. As with most things, EUT FRRs solve a problem.
If you have the problem, you need them. If you don't have the problem, you
don't need them. It seems that it is really not a question of being a fan
or not. Maybe you're not a fan of using
The only problem with the CBTTAPE is that it is really only for _free_
($0.00 cost), open source type software. I am not really aware of any of
the contributions which are binary executables and support files only. I
don't know of a way to have something like the Apple, Google, or Amazon
app store
Not a big fan of EUT FRRs
Your right. I prefer to examine my environment and chose to use an ESTAEX
instead of a FRR unless required. The FRR stack is limited to 2 uses. So when
forced to use an FRR, I extend the FRR stack by replacing the prior FRR and
restoring it upon exit. Using an
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 07:44:04 -0500, Kenneth Wilkerson wrote:
Your point is well taken. I should refrain from expressing opinions in this
forum.
You should not.
Best I can recall (without checking) you've always claimed your opinions as
your own. No harm, no foul.
Provoking informed responses
+1
Steven F. Conway, CISSP
LA Systems
z/OS Systems Support
Phone: 703.295.1926
steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov
From: Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date: 10/03/2013 08:59 AM
Subject:Re: FRR Recovery Routine Environment
Sent by:IBM Mainframe
Support is important if a customers wants to run open source in
production. But that hasn't stopped the masses. Just look at Linux
and just about every important piece of software of the last decade or
so. It's a tangible idea, but needs to be backed by paid support
just like Rocket are doing
On 10/03/2013 02:05 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
GDDM sounds very interesting, though perhaps too much in
the way of programming requirements on the z/OS side.
It depends, but probably not. If the signature images are already in DB2
for z/OS, fantastic. If not, there are fairly straightforward
I fail to see why you would expect an abend if the member was being edited in
ISPF when it was deleted in batch. My expectation was that the batch delete
would work fine and that user performing the ISPF edit would not notice any
impact.
I would expect the following to happen:
1) The member
Good Day All,
I am trying to allocate a dsn using PGM=IEFBR14 to create a dsn which of 25
cylinders. The dsn is SMS managed and it has GUASPACE as the Storage Class.
The DC MC are null.
The dsn is allocated on the volume as requested however the space allocated is
20 instead of 25. I
Most shops I have worked at do not want to bring in any product that has only
a small support group. For example, if a product is developed that has a real
benefit - but it is from Sally's Software firm. But Sally is the only person
for support and sales, then they will not look at it
David Crayford is spot on.
FWIW, I wrote this in 2009 on this topic:
http://oss4zos.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Original_oss4zos_manifesto
CBT is fantastic, but the idea behind the oss4zos.org site was about
organizing a community to port FOSS Unix software to z/OS.
This never got much
On 3 October 2013 15:33, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
Support is important if a customers wants to run open source in production.
But that hasn't stopped the masses. Just look at Linux
and just about every important piece of software of the last decade or so.
It's a tangible idea,
On 3 October 2013 13:23, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course, one problem with this is where the
individual is doing the development? question.
Yes, that's absolutely key! But solvable I think.
Cheers,
Dave
On 3 October 2013 15:59, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote:
I have several downloads I use from the CBT Tape. But I do not incorporate
them into a production - if this dies the system dies - process. If the tool
I have from the CBT TAPE dies, it does not impact anything but my
In my experience, eventually almost anything useful becomes production
critical. Some programmer will eventually get their hands on it and
integrate it directly into a mission critical process.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:15 AM, David Griffiths
david.griffi...@gmail.comwrote:
On 3 October 2013
On 3/10/2013 11:04 PM, David Griffiths wrote:
On 3 October 2013 15:33, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
Support is important if a customers wants to run open source in production.
But that hasn't stopped the masses. Just look at Linux
and just about every important piece of software of
Lizette Koehler wrote:
I have several downloads I use from the CBT Tape. But I do not incorporate
them into a production - if this dies the system dies - process. If the tool
I have from the CBT TAPE dies, it does not impact anything but my statistics
or analysis functions. Then I try to go
From my perspective, the mainframe and the open systems (including Mobile
Apps) have different agendas and different concerns. On the mainframe we
have many things working concurrently (IMS, DB2, CICS, MQ, etc). It seems in
the open systems world the applications are limited to one server (or
On 3/10/2013 11:47 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote:
The mainframe has massive applications that if they go down the amount of
time to recover the application and/or fix it could take many hours/days
that costs the business income. Or cause an LPAR wide outage that affects
many more working
David said, To me it's a no-brainer but convincing mainframers to step
outside of their comfort zone is difficult.
I have to disagree, partly, with that.
In the course of my career, I have been forced repeatedly to learn spiffy
new things. As I started working the mainframe in 1977, it's easy
On 3 October 2013 16:47, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote:
So, say I bring in Python for $99 to read logs and I can do that because my
manager has approval for software purchase under $1000.00 . And it is
restricted to my use. But someone sees me use it, asks to have the same
On 3/10/2013 11:59 PM, Steve Conway wrote:
David said, To me it's a no-brainer but convincing mainframers to step
outside of their comfort zone is difficult.
I have to disagree, partly, with that.
In the course of my career, I have been forced repeatedly to learn spiffy
new things. As I
I think that guarantees are less important than would be an
established process for fixing, promptly, something that proves to be
broken.
There are a very few people whose I guarantee this app will work I
would give great weight to, without perhaps believing it quite
literally. There are no
ZIP is a poignant case. There exists a version of Info-ZIP for z. However,
our copy circa 2000 identifies the maintainer as one Onno van der Linden.
The Info-ZIP web site lists him as a ghost: once involved with the project
but without current contact data. So what shop would want to become
We need to remember that the CBT tape products WERE the first Shareware and
used in production in many shops. Then the bean counters started worrying about
support and got us used to support from Vendors rather than reading the dumps
ourselves and fixing the code we had (OCO any one ?).
On 4/10/2013 12:15 AM, John Gilmore wrote:
I think that guarantees are less important than would be an
established process for fixing, promptly, something that proves to be
broken.
There are a very few people whose I guarantee this app will work I
would give great weight to, without perhaps
In the end of the day it does come down to trust. Why trust a vendor of a
mainframe tool and not an open source product when the open source product may
have been scrutinised by thousands of well credentialed experts.
Didn't products like CICS, VTAM get a massive contribution from customers
I think you have to see how many mainframe CICS environments have adopted
the WEBifying processes in CICS, let along PHP for CICS. I am a strong
proponent for putting web services in Mainframe applications. However, I
would like to see more vetting of the ported tools to ensure a
non-disruptive
You do not fully understand what is going on under the covers in ISPF.
The specific SPFEDIT enqueue to which I referred is not used when
interactively editing a member in ISPF but at the instant in time the
member is saved, which is the only point during editing where ISPF opens
the PDS for
This sounds like the track size problem.
There were a lot of shops that implemented a default track size of 47476 (3380)
rather than 56664 (3390). This ends up, after DADSM is finished with the
allocation, with your dataset 80% of the request size.
Check with your. Storage Admins.
(I forget
I found the answer to my question. In the SMS base config the Default device
geometry is set up for 3380 instead of 3390 :
Default Device Geometry
Bytes/track . . . . . : 47476
Tracks/cylinder . . . : 15
This is causing the allocation to be reduced. To bypass the problem I am using
Ted,
Thanks. Our e-mails crossed each other. Yes, it is set to 47476 tracks as you
had suggested.
Thanks for your help.
From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 1:37:15 PM
Subject: Re: SMS QUESTION - ACTUAL SPACE NOT ALLOCATED
The first thing I'd check is the Default Device Geometry defined in your
SMS Base configuration:
Mine:
Default Device Geometry
Bytes/Track . . . . . . . . 56664
Tracks/Cylinder . . . . . . 15
in ISMF - Option 8 Control Data Set
then Option 1 Display
Good Day All,
I am
willie bunter wrote:
I found the answer to my question. In the SMS base config the Default device
geometry is set up for 3380 instead of 3390 :
Thanks. I tried *really* to reproduce your problem but could not succeed in it.
I even RTFM everything about that guarantee space, but of course it is
Not having much luck with the SR. Might be a communications issue. Can anyone
help?
We have RESOLVER started in OMVS. There is no MVS proc for starting RESOLVER.
We specify SYSTCPD in our TCPPROC JCL. From my read of the docs, SYSTCPD is
found in the search order. Still, RESOLVER doesn't find
John,
We had a standard that nothing went into production that couldn't be
completely supported by the programmer.
Having said that we did have IBM utilities in production and of
course some vendor utilities in production.
How we handled it if it was a IBM utility I (or someone in the
On 10/3/2013 12:23 PM, Jerry Whitteridge wrote:
We need to remember that the CBT tape products WERE the first
Shareware and used in production in many shops. Then the bean
counters started worrying about support and got us used to support
from Vendors rather than reading the dumps ourselves and
Clifford McNeill wrote:
Anybody else experiencing failures with STP/ETR dialout to NIST ACTS?
http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/acts.cfm
snip
IBM Product Engineering tested NIST ACTS, and I'm told they verified in
the lab that the NIST dial-up time server is still operating correctly
and
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 12:11:55 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
To test this properly requires either extraordinary timing ability, or
getting a program which will OPEN a PDS for output without the
appropriate ISPFEDIT enqueue and keep it open for long enough, say 10 to
30 seconds, from a batch job or a
On 2013-10-03 08:23, John McKown wrote:
Of course, one problem with this is where the
individual is doing the development? question. If they are doing it on
their employer's machine, then the employer likely has some rights to the
software. Most of the Apple/Android apps are developed on a
In 1380556479.82676.yahoomail...@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
09/30/2013
at 08:54 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said:
Actually in some circles ADA is the ONLY language. Talk to the
embedded systems people.
Some of them use C; I consider that unfortunate.
--
Shmuel
In
cajtoo59splchkyh6+v6esj3xftjek0f1vk+nngk-equbyb4...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/30/2013
at 11:40 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
Pascal is like an improved PL/I,
ITYM Pascal is like a degraded ALGOL 60; it is nowhere near as good as
PL/I, and has severe design deficiencies, some of
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:57:08 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
(1) I still have the manual for BOUMAC, a package for vector and matrix
calculation, from the Boulder, CO office of the National Bureau of
Standards (the N.I.S.T. precursor).
... which had been called DEVMAC, internally, incorporating
Skip,
RE: SFTP - I would encourage you to try Co:Z SFTP.
(Not unrelated to this thread:)
The same product is available both under a free license and also under a
commercial license with warranties, support SLAs, etc.
FWIW, this has been a very successful business model for us, with many
large
In 524a1605.4070...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 09/30/2013
at 05:23 PM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said:
Later PL/I versions did a great job optimizing
Do they now generate inline code for the unaligned bit strings in,
e.g., SMF records? That's an area where the code quality got worse
On 10/03/2013 02:52 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 12:11:55 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
To test this properly requires either extraordinary timing ability, or
getting a program which will OPEN a PDS for output without the
appropriate ISPFEDIT enqueue and keep it open for long
In
cae1xxdhjm-cpvsewgp4qvc-uon0gfmgozdvtb6m+kxp66p6...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/30/2013
at 04:51 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
Many C dialects do support long jumps as a language extension.
They began in PL/I
Every generation believes that it invented sex. I won't guaranty that
In 7587727851703990.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/30/2013
at 04:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
(And ALGOL 60 allows such label objects to be
passed as actual parameters; I don't know about PL/I.)
Yes; a label variable in PL/I includes a frame pointer.
--
On 2013-10-03 11:15, David Griffiths wrote:
Do you think that - along the lines of the CBT Tape - that there is
much of a potential market for non-production-critical tools? For
instance a company buying a $99 copy of Python for their log
processing needs?
Python is an interesting, and
In 0017796631753457.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/30/2013
at 03:26 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Pascal has GOTO. Dismayingly, statement labels are numeric, perhaps
a legacy of FORTRAN (and ALGOL 60).
ALGOL 60 had alphanumeric labels, and there was a consensus
In
a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e62901977c...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se,
on 10/01/2013
at 01:23 PM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se said:
Personally I am of the opinion that a programming language is for the
benefit of the programmer, to be least hindered in the coding.
Short term or
Thank you for that information, John. I will continue to investigate our
failure.
Cliff McNeill
IBM Product Engineering tested NIST ACTS, and I'm told they verified in
the lab that the NIST dial-up time server is still operating correctly
and available to provide time through an HMC
Ah - OK. Somewhere back in the mists of time I was once aware that the Edit
SAVE only enqueued the PDS momentarily, but I failed to recall that fact when
needed.
So the abend concern is only if the ISPF Edit SAVE occurred at the same
instant as the batch delete. A small but admittedly not
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:22:23 -0400, Gord Tomlin wrote:
Python is an interesting, and frustrating, case. There have been ports
to s390, but the custodians of the Python trunk are unwilling to accept
I think you use the plural by your judgment.
s390 patches into their code base, and are quite
I forget the details, but when resolver is started without a proc, you get a
default.
To provide the services you want, It will be necessary to provide a proc and
customize.
See:
IP Config. Guide. Chap. 14 - The Resolver
Allan,
Good info, but one minor 'oops'. Following is the correct link to the IP
config guide. You accidentally put in the config reference in both locations.
Rex
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/F1A1B3B1/CCONTENTS?SHELF=f1a1bkd1DN=SC31-8775-20DT=20120119110606
David,
Check your TCPIP.PROFILE. Do you have a GLOBALTCPIPDATA or DEFAULTTCPIPDATA in
your profile? Either of these statements will modify the search order.
Rex
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of David G. Schlecht
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
Every generation believes that it invented sex. I won't guaranty that
ALGOL 60 was first, but it was certainly before PL/I.
this has some PL/I history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/I
in the 70s ... lots of the languages were in
On 2013-10-03 17:37, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Python is an interesting, and frustrating, case. There have been ports
to s390, but the custodians of the Python trunk are unwilling to accept
I think you use the plural by your judgment.
Good point! And I will revise custodians (plural) to
Does anyone know if it is possible to automate weight and/or CP changes. ex.
During the day we want 3 CP on LPARA and at night we want 4 CPs or we want
LPARA to have 60 weight, LPARB to 30 and LPARC to 20, but at night we want
LPARA to have 80 and LPARB to have 10. Something along those
Good thread.
I like Kirks ideas, but I can't see it flying. IIRC even Dave has alluded to
employer resistance to releasing his efforts on the Lua port.
Every employment contract I've seen includes ownership of code developed - and
isn't limited to the employment duration. There have even been
Dear group, Any further details down with this? Was this discussed and / or
considered to get the hipers applied other than common servicea14.1 ? Not
sure as I did not get notification as such from CA probably because my shop
uses r 14 presumably not applicable to it ? Pls direct me to the link if
These capabilities were announced over 10 years ago!
-
Ted MacNEIL
eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Twitter: @TedMacNEIL
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From: gsg gsg_...@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:06:13
To:
We use a combination of z/OS Capacity Provisioning Manager (CPM) and the
Schedule Operations task on the HMC on a fortnightly basis to do this.
We use our automation product (CONTROL-O) to issue a command to CPM to increase
one of our CPCs to its high capacity marker and then have the scheduled
WLM can already do both weight and CPU changes.
Been at it for 10 years.
-
Ted MacNEIL
eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Twitter: @TedMacNEIL
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct
On 4/10/2013 8:31 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote:
Good thread.
I like Kirks ideas, but I can't see it flying. IIRC even Dave has alluded to
employer resistance to releasing his efforts on the Lua port.
The issue wrt me releasing Lua is because of our contract with IBM. I
work for a vendor who
BTW,
I have successfully compiled and tested the basic lua 5.2.2 which I
downloaded from http://lua.org/download.html . It was basically just
download, unwind the tar using pax and converting from ISO8859-1 to
IBM-1047, then doing a make posix. But I don't know what else I should
really look at
In 524ab804.2030...@gmail.com, on 10/01/2013
at 07:54 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
There are many versions of Pascal.
Using features limited to, e.g., Turbo, limits portability.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel
In 6857679143944180.wa.ibmmaintpg.com...@listserv.ua.edu, on
10/01/2013
at 06:41 AM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au said:
Sounds more like Perl than REXX
Trust me, Perl runs roughshod over the principle of least astonishment
and is not within shouting distance of KISS. It does, however,
In
a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e62901977c...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se,
on 10/01/2013
at 02:09 PM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se said:
H... From the little I have seen of Perl, it's like a gun pointed
to your foot... :)
I think I rather prefer Python.
Out of the frying pan and
On 4/10/2013 10:30 AM, John McKown wrote:
BTW,
I have successfully compiled and tested the basic lua 5.2.2 which I
downloaded from http://lua.org/download.html . It was basically just
download, unwind the tar using pax and converting from ISO8859-1 to
IBM-1047, then doing a make posix. But I
It's not just an EDIT SAVE that could cause grief with the batch
process, but any similarly exposed batch process that updates the PDS
with DISP=SHR. If you start using a batch process with the exposure and
it gets cloned to 20 other batch jobs, they all become potential
problems to each other.
OT in a mainframe forum, but why the desperate need to reduce software costs
for z/enterprise platforms? Surely management could make more savings by using
open source software on end-user platforms rather than Windoze rubbish (e.g.
OpenOffice instead of Microsoft Office, which, as usual, needs
I suspect your basic problem is that you don't have a consistent source for
your resolver/TCP parameters. It does no good to have them higgledy-piggledy
stored in OMVS files, or z/OS files, or whatever from individual SYSTCPD
DD-cards in various jobs/started tasks, unless there is a real need
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:57:13 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
I think I rather prefer Python.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire. The fact that the indentation
level is significant can make things interesting when editing a
program.
I need to ponder that.
A while back, on TSO-REXX,
On 4/10/2013 12:47 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:57:13 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
I think I rather prefer Python.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire. The fact that the indentation
level is significant can make things interesting when editing a
program.
I
I have a slightly different view of this and have lived in both camps, (a
vendor and a client site), so I can offer a slightly odd perspective. A few
years back, 12 of us systems programmers got together and decided that we would
write the ultimate software tools, and they were (and are) VERY
At 15:03 -0500 on 10/03/2013, Joel C. Ewing wrote about Re: Standard
TSO/MVS way to delete a PDS(E) member:
Right. And it's irrelevant whether the sleeping task and the other task
are attempting to reference the same or different members, it's the 2nd
concurrent open-for-output attempt on the
At 12:11 -0500 on 10/03/2013, Joel C. Ewing wrote about Re: Standard
TSO/MVS way to delete a PDS(E) member:
You do not fully understand what is going on under the covers in ISPF.
The specific SPFEDIT enqueue to which I referred is not used when
interactively editing a member in ISPF but at the
Joel C. Ewing writes:
Anyone who ever used the old TSO BookManager interface to look at
manuals and display figures in manuals was experiencing the GDDM 3270
graphics support, and that experience more than likely made them glad to
forget such support existed.
I'm going to mostly disagree with you
On 4/10/2013 1:03 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
Unfortunately, as many of you have pointed out in this thread, IBM/CA/BMC software is seen as the
premium choice for Systems Automation software, even though feature-for-feature, and
cost-wise we have them well and truly beaten. In some ways, the
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