W dniu 09.12.2020 o 20:02, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:31:34 +0100, R.S. wrote:
...
I perceived aversion to RECEIVE FROMNTS as UNIXphobia. Our product
was not so large that DASD space was a concern. Can't please everyone.
Gil,
Don't kill messenger ;-)
Was that statement
anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
MVSCP became available in SP 2.2.0
I think MVSCP was mandatory in SP 2.2.0. Looking at the
IEAIPL40 and IEAIPL41 IRIMs that were introduced in
SP 2.2.0, I don't see anything that suggests that the old
SYSGEN method for creating and I/O configuration as
part
MVSCP became available in SP 2.2.0
I think MVSCP was mandatory in SP 2.2.0. Looking at the
IEAIPL40 and IEAIPL41 IRIMs that were introduced in
SP 2.2.0, I don't see anything that suggests that the old
SYSGEN method for creating and I/O configuration as
part of IEANUC0x continued to be
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I seem to recall that installing
I seem to recall that installing (and paying for) SMP/e under MVS/SP allowed
the installation of MVS/XA (using the GENERATE command) without performing a
full sysgen.
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I was using SMP/E under MVS/SP in '87, before XA.
On 09/12/2020 11:10, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
> I am not sure I "recall" correctly, but I seem to remember running MVS/SP and
> doing both a STAGE 1 and STAGE 2 SYSGEN. Also seem to remember printing both
> on Green bar for three 5 foot
of
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:25:19 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>...
>For blank new installations - download (or
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:35:49 -, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw wrote:
>Doh.
>32bits + 12bits = 44bits
>
That feels like AR mode which IIRC was 31bits + 13bits = 44bits.
Somewhere I heard 1 bit / 2.5 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
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Under MVS/ESA we had expanded storage. Expanded storage allowed each page to be
addressed using a 32 bit
: 09 December 2020 20:31
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Under MVS/ESA we had expanded storage. Expanded storage allowed each page to be
addressed using a 32 bit address. As each page held 4096 (2**12) bytes the
effective addressing was 32bits
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I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB
memory
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:31:34 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>...
>> I perceived aversion to RECEIVE FROMNTS as UNIXphobia. Our product
>> was not so large that DASD space was a concern. Can't please everyone.
>
>Gil,
>Don't kill messenger ;-)
>
Was that statement hostile? (But smiley noted.)
And thanks.
W dniu 09.12.2020 o 19:14, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:25:19 +0100, R.S. wrote:
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For blank new installations - download (or order media) DVD images of
Driver system and put it into DVD drive in HMC... Well... there is no
longer DVD drive... However you can put DVD content
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Somewhere in the past, there was an article
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I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB
memory would serve
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:25:19 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>...
>For blank new installations - download (or order media) DVD images of
>Driver system and put it into DVD drive in HMC... Well... there is no
>longer DVD drive... However you can put DVD content into some ftp server
>directory and IPL from that
Watch it, I remember when a 2 digit year was enough too!
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:25:46 AM CST, R.S.
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W dniu 09.12.2020 o 02:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 00:48:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
>> You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most
W dniu 09.12.2020 o 17:05, Farley, Peter x23353 pisze:
OTOH, quantum computing (or its successor(s)) may change the paradigm entirely
and moot any 64 vs 128 bit issues because qubits are so different from bits.
Well...
I remember stories about IPv6 addressing. It is much more capacious than
W dniu 09.12.2020 o 02:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 00:48:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had
an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO and
PSO were available later.
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yone recall any details about
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It should be kept in mind that while 31-bit addressing was a 32X capacity
jump over 24-bit, 64-bit addressing has 8 billion times the addressing
space of 31-bit.
I'm not sure if z/OS actually supports activa
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I remember being shocked that IBM believed 24 bits to be enough; it's part and
parcel of the short term planning that has come back to haunt us. While I
believe that 64-bit addresses will be enough
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I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB
memory would serve every need.
Now
It should be kept in mind that while 31-bit addressing was a 32X capacity
jump over 24-bit, 64-bit addressing has 8 billion times the addressing
space of 31-bit.
I'm not sure if z/OS actually supports activating the Region 1st DAT table
anyway. z/OS may be only a 53-bit OS. So far...
sas
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, 2020 9:55 AM
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I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB
memory would serve every need.
Now how long since 64 bit?
How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though?
128
I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB
memory would serve every need.
Now how long since 64 bit?
How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though?
128 bit next?
Mike Wawiorko
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Yes, there was a starter system that was a standalone dump of an MVS/SP
system. I migrated a OS/VS1 system running under VM/SA on a 4381 to MVS/XA.
OS/VS1 couldn't be used to install the CBIPO, so we had to restore the starter
system (It may have been on one 3380 volume). When you got the
I am not sure I "recall" correctly, but I seem to remember running MVS/SP and
doing both a STAGE 1 and STAGE 2 SYSGEN. Also seem to remember printing both on
Green bar for three 5 foot stacks of paper. Never did that again. Wasn't it
MXS/XA that came with SMP/E V1 while prior ones were SMP4?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 01:50:32 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>We have downloaded ServerPac for years entirely from the network. No need for
>tape.
>
What would one use to access the network?
>
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>You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. M
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>You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had
>an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO
>and PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. There was
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> I ran these CBIPO in
You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had
an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO and
PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. There was no
PTF optional source; if the module was hit by service, you
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I kinda remember MVS/XA
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ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that
customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the sam
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For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify
to get it. A shop I worked
Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify
to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to
convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA
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The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another
one when
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The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another
one when we went back to MVS/SP
In my first shop we did a conversion from OS/VS1 straight to MVS/XA (IBM made
us an offer we couldn't refuse). This was a little before CBIPO so first had
to lay down a starter system that was some flavor of MVS/370 or /SP. I say
that because it ran under our VM/SP (actually HPO) system.
S/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical
> machine.
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> Peter
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I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint.
SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA.
I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If b
Yes, and I believe the "driving' system for install had to be MVS/SP or
higher...
Joe
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:11 PM Brian France wrote:
> I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint.
>
> SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA.
>
> I'm not sure what you
I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint.
SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA.
I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you
meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth
bloat ware option
It was ordered and installed using the CBIPO proceess, but the install needed
to run on an existing MVS system.
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i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO?
Joe
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury <
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> Hi, all,
>
> Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g.
> was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it?
I installed MVS/XA under using our existing MVS/SP V1 system. For a new MVS
customer I assume that IBM shipped a starter system like they do now which was
a stripped down OS with just enough "stuff" to install the MVS/XA system.
As for your optional source material question, I don't remember,
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