Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
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Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
IIRC when I moved from program product support to MVS support around 1993 I went to an IBM class for MVS installation and configuration, HCD was introduced on the last day of class, from then till about 1998 or 99 you could still export / import the text of your MVS IOGEN to / from HCD, on or about 2001 HCD I believe was mandatory, folks still found a way to export the GEN, make changes, IMPORT that GEN and create the IOCDS from that gen. Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Jim To: IBM-MAIN Date: Thursday, 10 December 2020 12:16 PM CST Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? MVSCP became available in SP 2.2.0 I think MVSCP was mandatory in SP 2.2.0. Looking at the IEAIPL40 and IEAIPL41 IRIMs that were introduced in SP 2.2.0, I don't see anything that suggests that the old SYSGEN method for creating and I/O configuration as part of IEANUC0x continued to be supported. MVSCP was gone in SP 5.1.0, so that was when HCD became mandatory. HCD did not call MVSCP. My recollection is that HCD was introduced in SP 4.1.0, but I haven't found a way to verify that. Lots of MVSCP info here: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/MVS_ESA/GC28-1817-1_MVS_ESA_Configuration_Program_Guide_and_Reference_Dec89.pdf Some SYSGEN info here: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/370/MVS/SR20-4674-1_Guide_to_MVS_SP_System_IPO_SYSGEN_Student_Text_Jul82.pdf Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY > Does anybody remember > When MVSCP became available? > When MVSCP became mandatory? > When HCD became available? > When HCD became mandatory (or does it call MVSCP under the covers?) > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
MVSCP became available in SP 2.2.0 I think MVSCP was mandatory in SP 2.2.0. Looking at the IEAIPL40 and IEAIPL41 IRIMs that were introduced in SP 2.2.0, I don't see anything that suggests that the old SYSGEN method for creating and I/O configuration as part of IEANUC0x continued to be supported. MVSCP was gone in SP 5.1.0, so that was when HCD became mandatory. HCD did not call MVSCP. My recollection is that HCD was introduced in SP 4.1.0, but I haven't found a way to verify that. Lots of MVSCP info here: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/MVS_ESA/GC28-1817-1_MVS_ESA_Configuration_Program_Guide_and_Reference_Dec89.pdf Some SYSGEN info here: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/370/MVS/SR20-4674-1_Guide_to_MVS_SP_System_IPO_SYSGEN_Student_Text_Jul82.pdf Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY > Does anybody remember > When MVSCP became available? > When MVSCP became mandatory? > When HCD became available? > When HCD became mandatory (or does it call MVSCP under the covers?) > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
Does anybody remember When MVSCP became available? When MVSCP became mandatory? When HCD became available? When HCD became mandatory (or does it call MVSCP under the covers?) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mark Jacobs [0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I seem to recall that installing (and paying for) SMP/e under MVS/SP allowed the installation of MVS/XA (using the GENERATE command) without performing a full sysgen. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ch9TgLKCd2hKdk7mCSBc9ql4EDyCe_NajiSCsvQsrtbJO1k7V1rWk1Vri66DvThhjdgEeZxtS1FAhanIm1qM9jI80DRhmkSHw3ZxDPe6MwkknmiBz71re5cRsNKu9rLcVsxxGTn7IMQSOp856vXCgz9ddv4sRo5dRQNjLt9dQIgIAQcrXOvQt_vCWdRcuaOAnpmlQW7DaB9mog4QICCjk3Up9_gLktHQxBbnOkFFi3txJ9tpsu7GgFEy5IWKo7XQEu2JRA0ygQedumiXywAo5UkJ1dpzAOPUtmj2iqbVeMaWa8WopLIvpEcfAUL6NCzHMqDNqrusbMralKNOtNX5gHSbyNTPSj6d_fxlt8XHbjKt3Uqp_IepA-w-gCMWbGG-5DXy0NN7uyXZrac9GVv7bBlhMhu-8Q-NZ-JgkXDS5yUsOTeDzWoYc5qAdFD_9s3N/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.protonmail.ch%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dget%26search%3Dmarkjacobs%40protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 at 8:33 PM, CM Poncelet wrote: > I was using SMP/E under MVS/SP in '87, before XA. > > On 09/12/2020 11:10, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > > > I am not sure I "recall" correctly, but I seem to remember running MVS/SP > > and doing both a STAGE 1 and STAGE 2 SYSGEN. Also seem to remember printing > > both on Green bar for three 5 foot stacks of paper. Never did that again. > > Wasn't it MXS/XA that came with SMP/E V1 while prior ones were SMP4? Look > > what I found it my existing JCL.CNTL: > > > > //J3JIOCP JOB (6200),'RICHARDS',CLASS=S,MSGCLASS=Q,NOTIFY=S21657 > > > > /JOBPARM S=SYSA > > > > //* > > > > //* JCL TO ASSEMBLE A STAGE1 IOCPGEN OF MVS/XA OPERATING SYSTEM * > > > > //** > > > > //ASSEM1 EXEC PGM=ASMBLR,REGION=768K, > > > > // PARM='DECK,NOLOAD,BUFSIZE(MAX)' > > > > //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* > > > > //SYSLIB DD DSN=SYS1.AGENLIB,DISP=SHR > > > > // DD DSN=SYS1.AMODGEN,DISP=SHR > > > > //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > > > > // SPACE=(CYL,(20,5)) > > > > //SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > > > > // SPACE=(CYL,(10,1)) > > > > //SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > > > > // SPACE=(CYL,(2,1)) > > > > //SYSPUNCH DD DSN=IPO1.STAGE2,DISP=OLD, > > > > // UNIT=3380,VOL=SER=SPRESA > > > > //SYSIN DD * > > > > PRINT ON,NOGEN,NODATA > > > > TITLE '***MVS/XA STAGE1 FOR SORBUS VIA EXPRESS 01/07/86 ' > > > > IOCP > > > > EJECT > > > > IOCP > > > > *IOCP START OF IOCP MODIFICATIONS * > > > > IOCP > > > > ID MSG1='SORBUS MERGED IOCP AND STAGE1 DECK 01/07/86',O+ > > > > MSG2='JES2, MVS/SP2 (MVS/XA) FOR AN IBM 4381 PROCESSOR' > > > > IOCP > > > > *IOCP THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A COMBINED IOCP AND STAGE1 INPUT * > > > > IOCP > > > > EJECT > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > > Mark S Waterbury > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:04 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > > > Hi, all, > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was > > there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or > > MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" > > process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source > > materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was > > that
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
I seem to recall that installing (and paying for) SMP/e under MVS/SP allowed the installation of MVS/XA (using the GENERATE command) without performing a full sysgen. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 at 8:33 PM, CM Poncelet wrote: > I was using SMP/E under MVS/SP in '87, before XA. > > On 09/12/2020 11:10, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > > > I am not sure I "recall" correctly, but I seem to remember running MVS/SP > > and doing both a STAGE 1 and STAGE 2 SYSGEN. Also seem to remember printing > > both on Green bar for three 5 foot stacks of paper. Never did that again. > > Wasn't it MXS/XA that came with SMP/E V1 while prior ones were SMP4? Look > > what I found it my existing JCL.CNTL: > > > > //J3JIOCP JOB (6200),'RICHARDS',CLASS=S,MSGCLASS=Q,NOTIFY=S21657 > > > > /JOBPARM S=SYSA > > > > //* > > > > //* JCL TO ASSEMBLE A STAGE1 IOCPGEN OF MVS/XA OPERATING SYSTEM * > > > > //** > > > > //ASSEM1 EXEC PGM=ASMBLR,REGION=768K, > > > > // PARM='DECK,NOLOAD,BUFSIZE(MAX)' > > > > //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* > > > > //SYSLIB DD DSN=SYS1.AGENLIB,DISP=SHR > > > > // DD DSN=SYS1.AMODGEN,DISP=SHR > > > > //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > > > > // SPACE=(CYL,(20,5)) > > > > //SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > > > > // SPACE=(CYL,(10,1)) > > > > //SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > > > > // SPACE=(CYL,(2,1)) > > > > //SYSPUNCH DD DSN=IPO1.STAGE2,DISP=OLD, > > > > // UNIT=3380,VOL=SER=SPRESA > > > > //SYSIN DD * > > > > PRINT ON,NOGEN,NODATA > > > > TITLE '***MVS/XA STAGE1 FOR SORBUS VIA EXPRESS 01/07/86 ' > > > > IOCP > > > > EJECT > > > > IOCP > > > > *IOCP START OF IOCP MODIFICATIONS * > > > > IOCP > > > > ID MSG1='SORBUS MERGED IOCP AND STAGE1 DECK 01/07/86',O+ > > > > MSG2='JES2, MVS/SP2 (MVS/XA) FOR AN IBM 4381 PROCESSOR' > > > > IOCP > > > > *IOCP THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A COMBINED IOCP AND STAGE1 INPUT * > > > > IOCP > > > > EJECT > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > > Mark S Waterbury > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:04 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > > > Hi, all, > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was > > there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or > > MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" > > process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source > > materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was > > that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > All the best, > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
I was using SMP/E under MVS/SP in '87, before XA. On 09/12/2020 11:10, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > I am not sure I "recall" correctly, but I seem to remember running MVS/SP and > doing both a STAGE 1 and STAGE 2 SYSGEN. Also seem to remember printing both > on Green bar for three 5 foot stacks of paper. Never did that again. Wasn't > it MXS/XA that came with SMP/E V1 while prior ones were SMP4? Look what I > found it my existing JCL.CNTL: > > //J3JIOCP JOB (6200),'RICHARDS',CLASS=S,MSGCLASS=Q,NOTIFY=S21657 > /*JOBPARM S=SYSA > //** > //* JCL TO ASSEMBLE A STAGE1 IOCPGEN OF MVS/XA OPERATING SYSTEM * > //** > //ASSEM1 EXEC PGM=ASMBLR,REGION=768K, > // PARM='DECK,NOLOAD,BUFSIZE(MAX)' > //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* > //SYSLIB DD DSN=SYS1.AGENLIB,DISP=SHR > // DD DSN=SYS1.AMODGEN,DISP=SHR > //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > // SPACE=(CYL,(20,5)) > //SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > // SPACE=(CYL,(10,1)) > //SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA, > // SPACE=(CYL,(2,1)) > //SYSPUNCH DD DSN=IPO1.STAGE2,DISP=OLD, > // UNIT=3380,VOL=SER=SPRESA > //SYSINDD * > PRINT ON,NOGEN,NODATA > TITLE '***MVS/XA STAGE1 FOR SORBUS VIA EXPRESS01/07/86 ' > *IOCP* > EJECT > *IOCP* > *IOCP START OF IOCP MODIFICATIONS * > *IOCP* > IDMSG1='SORBUS MERGED IOCP AND STAGE1 DECK 01/07/86',O+ >MSG2='JES2, MVS/SP2 (MVS/XA) FOR AN IBM 4381 PROCESSOR' > *IOCP* > *IOCP THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A COMBINED IOCP AND STAGE1 INPUT* > *IOCP* > EJECT > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Mark S Waterbury > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:04 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > Hi, all, > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was > there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or > MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" > process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source > materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was that > only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > All the best, > > Mark S. Waterbury > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
If you're a new z customer, you can put the FTP server on a private LAN in a secured facility and unless the KGB[1] has a van parked outside your building there should be no security issue. Other than cirtificates and firewall issues, what's so complicated about doing things over the network? [1] Yes, I know that they changed the name and filed off the serial number, but it's still the Чека́ (Cheka), MVS, NKDV -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:25:19 +0100, R.S. wrote: >... >For blank new installations - download (or order media) DVD images of >Driver system and put it into DVD drive in HMC... Well... there is no >longer DVD drive... However you can put DVD content into some ftp server >directory and IPL from that directory. > Ah! So it's possible to IPL from network. (IANASysadmin, so not in my skill set.) FTP only, or other schemes? FTP is problematic; too widely considered insecure. Windows has a server, concealed under IIS; I've used FileZilla server. MacOS and Linux readily support mounting .iso images; so "content" step may be skipped. Windows image mounter flickers in and out of support. I used Virtual CloneDrive (Dolly? in logo). Never for IPL (IANASysadmin), but for SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNETWORK. Testers found the process so tedious I fell back to packaging a "pax"ed SMPNTS and recommending "pax -r"; RECEIVE FROMNTS. Some customers wished for a set of .xmit PDSU. I demurred; masochists: Too many steps for them to install; unlike any IBM product (but the customer cited one product so packaged. It was from a recently-acquired subsidiary). And too many steps for me to package. I perceived aversion to RECEIVE FROMNTS as UNIXphobia. Our product was not so large that DASD space was a concern. Can't please everyone. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:35:49 -, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw wrote: >Doh. >32bits + 12bits = 44bits > That feels like AR mode which IIRC was 31bits + 13bits = 44bits. Somewhere I heard 1 bit / 2.5 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law >-Original Message- >From: Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw >Sent: 09 December 2020 20:31 > >Under MVS/ESA we had expanded storage. Expanded storage allowed each page to >be addressed using a 32 bit address. As each page held 4096 (2**12) bytes the >effective addressing was 32bits + 12bits = 48bits. > >Is this what you were thinking of? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
No, this was arguing that IBM was going to actual 48 bit addressing instead of jumping from 24 to 32/31 to 64, their argument was that the next logical step was to add 16 bits to the addresses. Now I gotta try to find the article. :-) Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Under MVS/ESA we had expanded storage. Expanded storage allowed each page to be addressed using a 32 bit address. As each page held 4096 (2**12) bytes the effective addressing was 32bits + 12bits = 48bits. Is this what you were thinking of? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 09 December 2020 18:19 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Somewhere in the past, there was an article printed where somebody was gazing into a crystal ball. I have (maybe had) it on paper but can't find it right now. They were conjecturing on IBM's next OS and they called it MVS/ESB. They were pretty convinced that IBM's next move from 31 bit was going to be to 48 bit. Unfortunately I can't find the paper right now. Ranked right up there (without the massive publicity) of Steward Alsop's prediction of the last mainframe being unplugged in 1995. Does anybody else recall ever hearing anything like this? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Wawiorko Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
Doh. 32bits + 12bits = 44bits Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: 09 December 2020 20:31 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Under MVS/ESA we had expanded storage. Expanded storage allowed each page to be addressed using a 32 bit address. As each page held 4096 (2**12) bytes the effective addressing was 32bits + 12bits = 48bits. Is this what you were thinking of? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 09 December 2020 18:19 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Somewhere in the past, there was an article printed where somebody was gazing into a crystal ball. I have (maybe had) it on paper but can't find it right now. They were conjecturing on IBM's next OS and they called it MVS/ESB. They were pretty convinced that IBM's next move from 31 bit was going to be to 48 bit. Unfortunately I can't find the paper right now. Ranked right up there (without the massive publicity) of Steward Alsop's prediction of the last mainframe being unplugged in 1995. Does anybody else recall ever hearing anything like this? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Wawiorko Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
Under MVS/ESA we had expanded storage. Expanded storage allowed each page to be addressed using a 32 bit address. As each page held 4096 (2**12) bytes the effective addressing was 32bits + 12bits = 48bits. Is this what you were thinking of? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 09 December 2020 18:19 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Somewhere in the past, there was an article printed where somebody was gazing into a crystal ball. I have (maybe had) it on paper but can't find it right now. They were conjecturing on IBM's next OS and they called it MVS/ESB. They were pretty convinced that IBM's next move from 31 bit was going to be to 48 bit. Unfortunately I can't find the paper right now. Ranked right up there (without the massive publicity) of Steward Alsop's prediction of the last mainframe being unplugged in 1995. Does anybody else recall ever hearing anything like this? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Wawiorko Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:31:34 +0100, R.S. wrote: >... >> I perceived aversion to RECEIVE FROMNTS as UNIXphobia. Our product >> was not so large that DASD space was a concern. Can't please everyone. > >Gil, >Don't kill messenger ;-) > Was that statement hostile? (But smiley noted.) And thanks. >Yes, it is possible to IPL from network, it has been possible since z990 >or z9. >... >Of course the server is not included, so it is up to you to set up some >ftp/sftp/ftps server and disk space, and Internet connectivity.And power >supply... > And, especially, configure IP address and path in (HMC?) bootstrap loader. How much driver system needs to be installed to support RECEIVE ORDER? (Is that the next step? >... zLinux installation is IPL-able >from network. ZZSA is IPL-able from network. > ZZSA? AZERTY keyboard? >BTW: At the time z/VM >was installable/IPL-able from both DVD and network. > z/VM and zLinux appear to be relatively advanced technologies. Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Thanks again, gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 09.12.2020 o 19:14, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:25:19 +0100, R.S. wrote: ... For blank new installations - download (or order media) DVD images of Driver system and put it into DVD drive in HMC... Well... there is no longer DVD drive... However you can put DVD content into some ftp server directory and IPL from that directory. Ah! So it's possible to IPL from network. (IANASysadmin, so not in my skill set.) FTP only, or other schemes? FTP is problematic; too widely considered insecure. Windows has a server, concealed under IIS; I've used FileZilla server. MacOS and Linux readily support mounting .iso images; so "content" step may be skipped. Windows image mounter flickers in and out of support. I used Virtual CloneDrive (Dolly? in logo). Never for IPL (IANASysadmin), but for SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNETWORK. Testers found the process so tedious I fell back to packaging a "pax"ed SMPNTS and recommending "pax -r"; RECEIVE FROMNTS. Some customers wished for a set of .xmit PDSU. I demurred; masochists: Too many steps for them to install; unlike any IBM product (but the customer cited one product so packaged. It was from a recently-acquired subsidiary). And too many steps for me to package. I perceived aversion to RECEIVE FROMNTS as UNIXphobia. Our product was not so large that DASD space was a concern. Can't please everyone. Gil, Don't kill messenger ;-) Yes, it is possible to IPL from network, it has been possible since z990 or z9. Nowadays it is possible to use FTP, SFTP or FTPS protocol. I talked to some IBMer responsible for internal code and they changed all "ftp" to use any of three protocols/flavours. It is already changed since z14. Of course the server is not included, so it is up to you to set up some ftp/sftp/ftps server and disk space, and Internet connectivity.And power supply... Regarding .ISO images - this is ISO, standard! Vanilla Win10 will manage it. Of course a lot of other tools also manage such images. And no, ...yes! There is a choice: ISO file from Internet or physical DVD from IBM. Still no PDSU, XMIT, etc. Caution: DVD content need not to be set of MVS files. Note, z/VM is on DVD as well. There are standalone tools on DVD (or IPL-able from network). zLinux installation is IPL-able from network. ZZSA is IPL-able from network. BTW: previously z/OS Driver was distributed on DVD, but it *HAD* to be physically ran from DVD. Otherwise you could IPL it, but next step wanted to read from DVD drive. FTP was not an option. At the time z/VM was installable/IPL-able from both DVD and network. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I never saw it, but after XA the only upgrades to the address size that made any sense were 63 and 64 bit. Maybe he was thinking of the S/38 or AS/400, but that was a totally different architecture. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pommier, Rex [rpomm...@sfgmembers.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Somewhere in the past, there was an article printed where somebody was gazing into a crystal ball. I have (maybe had) it on paper but can't find it right now. They were conjecturing on IBM's next OS and they called it MVS/ESB. They were pretty convinced that IBM's next move from 31 bit was going to be to 48 bit. Unfortunately I can't find the paper right now. Ranked right up there (without the massive publicity) of Steward Alsop's prediction of the last mainframe being unplugged in 1995. Does anybody else recall ever hearing anything like this? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Wawiorko Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
Somewhere in the past, there was an article printed where somebody was gazing into a crystal ball. I have (maybe had) it on paper but can't find it right now. They were conjecturing on IBM's next OS and they called it MVS/ESB. They were pretty convinced that IBM's next move from 31 bit was going to be to 48 bit. Unfortunately I can't find the paper right now. Ranked right up there (without the massive publicity) of Steward Alsop's prediction of the last mainframe being unplugged in 1995. Does anybody else recall ever hearing anything like this? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Wawiorko Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:25:19 +0100, R.S. wrote: >... >For blank new installations - download (or order media) DVD images of >Driver system and put it into DVD drive in HMC... Well... there is no >longer DVD drive... However you can put DVD content into some ftp server >directory and IPL from that directory. > Ah! So it's possible to IPL from network. (IANASysadmin, so not in my skill set.) FTP only, or other schemes? FTP is problematic; too widely considered insecure. Windows has a server, concealed under IIS; I've used FileZilla server. MacOS and Linux readily support mounting .iso images; so "content" step may be skipped. Windows image mounter flickers in and out of support. I used Virtual CloneDrive (Dolly? in logo). Never for IPL (IANASysadmin), but for SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNETWORK. Testers found the process so tedious I fell back to packaging a "pax"ed SMPNTS and recommending "pax -r"; RECEIVE FROMNTS. Some customers wished for a set of .xmit PDSU. I demurred; masochists: Too many steps for them to install; unlike any IBM product (but the customer cited one product so packaged. It was from a recently-acquired subsidiary). And too many steps for me to package. I perceived aversion to RECEIVE FROMNTS as UNIXphobia. Our product was not so large that DASD space was a concern. Can't please everyone. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Watch it, I remember when a 2 digit year was enough too! On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:25:46 AM CST, R.S. wrote: W dniu 09.12.2020 o 02:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 00:48:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already >> had an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. >> IPO and PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. >> There was no PTF optional source; if the module was hit by service, you had >> to rely on the microfiche. >> > What's the process today for a new site with no real tapes? For users already having z/OS as driving system - just download ServerPac to HFS/ZFS and install it. For blank new installations - download (or order media) DVD images of Driver system and put it into DVD drive in HMC... Well... there is no longer DVD drive... However you can put DVD content into some ftp server directory and IPL from that directory. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 09.12.2020 o 17:05, Farley, Peter x23353 pisze: OTOH, quantum computing (or its successor(s)) may change the paradigm entirely and moot any 64 vs 128 bit issues because qubits are so different from bits. Well... I remember stories about IPv6 addressing. It is much more capacious than IPv4 and it will address current constraints and future needs. However I heard about it 20 or 25 years ago. And I still use IPv4. Regarding memory - pricing is very important here. Nowadays 16 GB or RAM is rather basic or even poor PC configuration. So, new application consume more and more memory without any reflection. Just because the memory is cheap and available. So demand for memory will be growing rapidly. And it is growing now. In other words typical simple Notepad - like application will be as dumb as yesterday but it will consume much more memory. 8 billion times? Well, stay calm and watch it... -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
W dniu 09.12.2020 o 02:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 00:48:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO and PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. There was no PTF optional source; if the module was hit by service, you had to rely on the microfiche. What's the process today for a new site with no real tapes? For users already having z/OS as driving system - just download ServerPac to HFS/ZFS and install it. For blank new installations - download (or order media) DVD images of Driver system and put it into DVD drive in HMC... Well... there is no longer DVD drive... However you can put DVD content into some ftp server directory and IPL from that directory. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Prosta 18, 00-850 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Reliance on 24 bit addressing is a hallmark of the Bill Gates school of capacity projection. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** I remember being shocked that IBM believed 24 bits to be enough; it's part and parcel of the short term planning that has come back to haunt us. While I believe that 64-bit addresses will be enough for the foreseeable future, it's not something that I would put any money on. And, yes, if 64 bits starts looking tight, 128 bits is the next logical step, and I would be willing to bet against outgrowing that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mike Wawiorko [014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The folklore was 1 bit per year - in demand terms. It probably still is. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://mainframeperformancetopics.com Mainframe, Performance, Topics Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://anchor.fm/marna-walle Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Steve Smith To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 09/12/2020 15:15 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List It should be kept in mind that while 31-bit addressing was a 32X capacity jump over 24-bit, 64-bit addressing has 8 billion times the addressing space of 31-bit. I'm not sure if z/OS actually supports activating the Region 1st DAT table anyway. z/OS may be only a 53-bit OS. So far... sas On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:55 AM Mike Wawiorko < 014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB > memory would serve every need. > > Now how long since 64 bit? > > How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? > > 128 bit next? > > Mike Wawiorko > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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OTOH, quantum computing (or its successor(s)) may change the paradigm entirely and moot any 64 vs 128 bit issues because qubits are so different from bits. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 11:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember being shocked that IBM believed 24 bits to be enough; it's part and parcel of the short term planning that has come back to haunt us. While I believe that 64-bit addresses will be enough for the foreseeable future, it's not something that I would put any money on. And, yes, if 64 bits starts looking tight, 128 bits is the next logical step, and I would be willing to bet against outgrowing that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bxS9Vu_QIUiH-uFCdybG7w1y8d3UBexMEpDcX_6nqyYVMFpNfGb1u3IXre_bTX1MzW5CEg$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mike Wawiorko [014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I remember being shocked that IBM believed 24 bits to be enough; it's part and parcel of the short term planning that has come back to haunt us. While I believe that 64-bit addresses will be enough for the foreseeable future, it's not something that I would put any money on. And, yes, if 64 bits starts looking tight, 128 bits is the next logical step, and I would be willing to bet against outgrowing that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mike Wawiorko [014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Replies to this e-mail may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of the Barclays Group is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by the Barclays Group. Barclays Execution Services Limited provides support and administrative services across Barclays group. Barclays Execution Services Limited is an appointed representative of Barclays Bank UK plc, Barclays Bank plc and Clydesdale Financial Services Limited. Barclays Bank UK plc and Barclays Bank plc are authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority. Clydesdale Financial Services Limited is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
It should be kept in mind that while 31-bit addressing was a 32X capacity jump over 24-bit, 64-bit addressing has 8 billion times the addressing space of 31-bit. I'm not sure if z/OS actually supports activating the Region 1st DAT table anyway. z/OS may be only a 53-bit OS. So far... sas On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:55 AM Mike Wawiorko < 014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB > memory would serve every need. > > Now how long since 64 bit? > > How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? > > 128 bit next? > > Mike Wawiorko > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I doubt anyone alive today will see the dawn of 128 bit computing. Even if rumors of the United States and Israel collaborating with Aliens on a secret Mars base are true! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Wawiorko Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Replies to this e-mail may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of the Barclays Group is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by the Barclays Group. Barclays Execution Services Limited provides support and administrative services across Barclays group. Barclays Execution Services Limited is an appointed representative of Barclays Bank UK plc, Barclays Bank plc and Clydesdale Financial Services Limited. Barclays Bank UK plc and Barclays Bank plc are authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority. Clydesdale Financial Services Limited is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I remember an IBM SE presenting XA to us saying 31 bit addressing and 2GB memory would serve every need. Now how long since 64 bit? How long before everything fully supports 64 bit though? 128 bit next? Mike Wawiorko This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Replies to this e-mail may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of the Barclays Group is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by the Barclays Group. Barclays Execution Services Limited provides support and administrative services across Barclays group. Barclays Execution Services Limited is an appointed representative of Barclays Bank UK plc, Barclays Bank plc and Clydesdale Financial Services Limited. Barclays Bank UK plc and Barclays Bank plc are authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority. Clydesdale Financial Services Limited is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes, there was a starter system that was a standalone dump of an MVS/SP system. I migrated a OS/VS1 system running under VM/SA on a 4381 to MVS/XA. OS/VS1 couldn't be used to install the CBIPO, so we had to restore the starter system (It may have been on one 3380 volume). When you got the MVS/XA system running, you trashed the starter system. http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/downloads/9653 On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 05:10:40 AM CST, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I am not sure I "recall" correctly, but I seem to remember running MVS/SP and doing both a STAGE 1 and STAGE 2 SYSGEN. Also seem to remember printing both on Green bar for three 5 foot stacks of paper. Never did that again. Wasn't it MXS/XA that came with SMP/E V1 while prior ones were SMP4? Look what I found it my existing JCL.CNTL: //J3JIOCP JOB (6200),'RICHARDS',CLASS=S,MSGCLASS=Q,NOTIFY=S21657 /*JOBPARM S=SYSA //** //* JCL TO ASSEMBLE A STAGE1 IOCPGEN OF MVS/XA OPERATING SYSTEM * //** //ASSEM1 EXEC PGM=ASMBLR,REGION=768K, // PARM='DECK,NOLOAD,BUFSIZE(MAX)' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSLIB DD DSN=SYS1.AGENLIB,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=SYS1.AMODGEN,DISP=SHR //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(20,5)) //SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(10,1)) //SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(2,1)) //SYSPUNCH DD DSN=IPO1.STAGE2,DISP=OLD, // UNIT=3380,VOL=SER=SPRESA //SYSIN DD * PRINT ON,NOGEN,NODATA TITLE '***MVS/XA STAGE1 FOR SORBUS VIA EXPRESS 01/07/86 ' *IOCP* EJECT *IOCP* *IOCP START OF IOCP MODIFICATIONS * *IOCP* ID MSG1='SORBUS MERGED IOCP AND STAGE1 DECK 01/07/86',O+ MSG2='JES2, MVS/SP2 (MVS/XA) FOR AN IBM 4381 PROCESSOR' *IOCP* *IOCP THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A COMBINED IOCP AND STAGE1 INPUT * *IOCP* EJECT -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark S Waterbury Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Hi, all, Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. All the best, Mark S. Waterbury -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I am not sure I "recall" correctly, but I seem to remember running MVS/SP and doing both a STAGE 1 and STAGE 2 SYSGEN. Also seem to remember printing both on Green bar for three 5 foot stacks of paper. Never did that again. Wasn't it MXS/XA that came with SMP/E V1 while prior ones were SMP4? Look what I found it my existing JCL.CNTL: //J3JIOCP JOB (6200),'RICHARDS',CLASS=S,MSGCLASS=Q,NOTIFY=S21657 /*JOBPARM S=SYSA //** //* JCL TO ASSEMBLE A STAGE1 IOCPGEN OF MVS/XA OPERATING SYSTEM * //** //ASSEM1 EXEC PGM=ASMBLR,REGION=768K, // PARM='DECK,NOLOAD,BUFSIZE(MAX)' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSLIB DD DSN=SYS1.AGENLIB,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=SYS1.AMODGEN,DISP=SHR //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(20,5)) //SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(10,1)) //SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(2,1)) //SYSPUNCH DD DSN=IPO1.STAGE2,DISP=OLD, // UNIT=3380,VOL=SER=SPRESA //SYSINDD * PRINT ON,NOGEN,NODATA TITLE '***MVS/XA STAGE1 FOR SORBUS VIA EXPRESS01/07/86 ' *IOCP* EJECT *IOCP* *IOCP START OF IOCP MODIFICATIONS * *IOCP* IDMSG1='SORBUS MERGED IOCP AND STAGE1 DECK 01/07/86',O+ MSG2='JES2, MVS/SP2 (MVS/XA) FOR AN IBM 4381 PROCESSOR' *IOCP* *IOCP THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A COMBINED IOCP AND STAGE1 INPUT* *IOCP* EJECT -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark S Waterbury Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Hi, all, Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. All the best, Mark S. Waterbury -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 01:50:32 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: >We have downloaded ServerPac for years entirely from the network. No need for >tape. > What would one use to access the network? > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 02:12:11 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >AFAIK tape is no longer an option. There used to be a DVD option; I don't no >whether it is still available. The normal vehicle for product and service >these days is the Internet. > >The basic process is still the same; if you don't have a driver system, you >need to restore a starter system and you must have an IOCDS that supports it. >The CBPDO dialogs all run on the driver system and the new system. > >>>From: Paul Gilmartin >Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:41 PM > >What's the process today for a new site with no real tapes? > I mean a really, really new site. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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AFAIK tape is no longer an option. There used to be a DVD option; I don't no whether it is still available. The normal vehicle for product and service these days is the Internet. The basic process is still the same; if you don't have a driver system, you need to restore a starter system and you must have an IOCDS that supports it. The CBPDO dialogs all run on the driver system and the new system. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 00:48:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had >an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO >and PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. There was >no PTF optional source; if the module was hit by service, you had to rely on >the microfiche. > What's the process today for a new site with no real tapes? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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We have downloaded ServerPac for years entirely from the network. No need for tape. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 00:48:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had >an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO >and PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. There was >no PTF optional source; if the module was hit by service, you had to rely on >the microfiche. > What's the process today for a new site with no real tapes? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 00:48:31 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had >an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO >and PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. There was >no PTF optional source; if the module was hit by service, you had to rely on >the microfiche. > What's the process today for a new site with no real tapes? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes, IPO used generate. There was IPOUPDTE and IPOGEN. http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/downloads/9653 Joe On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:08 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > GENERATE rebuilds the target datasets from the distribution data sets; you > still need an MVS/SP system generation or MVSCP to define the I/O > configuration. I don't recall IPO ever using GENERATE, but memory is the > second thing to go. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw [032fff1be9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:18 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > I ran these CBIPO installs in the early eighties. I am pretty sure it used > SMP/E to perform the generation using the GENERATE command. > I had an MVS/SP driving system of course. The first MVS/XA system I built > was XA 2.1.2 I think. > > Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw > Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners > ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Pommier, Rex > Sent: 08 December 2020 22:30 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > Paul, > > Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a > stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was > an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. > > Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express > tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. > Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. > > So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which > was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more > current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the > CBIPO install process. > > Those are old, rusty memories. > > Rex > > -Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Feller, Paul > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to > qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that > was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the > MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your > environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. > After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time > ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. > > > > Thanks.. > > Paul Feller > GTS Mainframe Technical Support > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Mark Jacobs > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then > another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so > that customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same > physical machine. > > > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > > Of Brian France > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > > > I'm not sure what
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
You needed an MVS driver system to install MVS/XA. Most customers already had an existing MVS/SP system, and didn't need to order the starter system. IPO and PSO were available later. Optional souce was available on tape. There was no PTF optional source; if the module was hit by service, you had to rely on the microfiche. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mark S Waterbury [01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? Hi, all, Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. All the best, Mark S. Waterbury -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
You could use PUTs for maintenance, and most shops did. While you could freeze the system for a long time and then install a new IPO or PDO, that wasn't the norm. Sysgen wasn't needed once MVSCP was available, and it eventually went away. When you ordered IBM software, certain items were always shipped. Other items were only shipped if you specified an appropriate feature code on the order. Optional source code is source code that is not needed to install the product and and is only shipped if you specify the feature code)s). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Brian France [b...@psu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat ware option later... On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > Joe > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> Hi, all, >> >> Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. >> was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, >> or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? >> >> I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any >> "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task >> accomplished? >> >> Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source >> materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was >> that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? >> >> Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. >> >> All the best, >> >> Mark S. Waterbury >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 b...@psu.edu There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
VM/XA MA was the first VM/XA, so I wouldn't call it special. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 [031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical machine. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian France Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat ware option later... On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > Joe > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> Hi, all, >> >> Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. >> was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS >> 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? >> >> I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any >> "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task >> accomplished? >> >> Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional >> source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic >> tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? >> >> Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. >> >> All the best, >> >> Mark S. Waterbury >> -- Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 b...@psu.edu There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
As I recall MVS, Express was tailored to your I/O configuration, so you had more flexibility in your IOCDS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Feller, Paul [02fc94e14c43-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > Brian W. France > > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > > Pennsylvania State University > > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > > 814-863-4739 > > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." > > Carl Sagan > > -- > -- > -- > -- > -- > - > > This messa
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
GENERATE rebuilds the target datasets from the distribution data sets; you still need an MVS/SP system generation or MVSCP to define the I/O configuration. I don't recall IPO ever using GENERATE, but memory is the second thing to go. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw [032fff1be9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] I ran these CBIPO installs in the early eighties. I am pretty sure it used SMP/E to perform the generation using the GENERATE command. I had an MVS/SP driving system of course. The first MVS/XA system I built was XA 2.1.2 I think. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 08 December 2020 22:30 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] Paul, Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the CBIPO install process. Those are old, rusty memories. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > >
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
I ran these CBIPO installs in the early eighties. I am pretty sure it used SMP/E to perform the generation using the GENERATE command. I had an MVS/SP driving system of course. The first MVS/XA system I built was XA 2.1.2 I think. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 08 December 2020 22:30 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] Paul, Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the CBIPO install process. Those are old, rusty memories. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > &
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
Paul, Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the CBIPO install process. Those are old, rusty memories. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > Brian W. France > > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > > Pennsylvania State University > > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > > 814-863-4739 > > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." &
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > Brian W. France > > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > > Pennsylvania State University > > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > > 814-863-4739 > > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." > > Carl Sagan > > -- > -- > -- > -- > -- > - > > This messa
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
In my first shop we did a conversion from OS/VS1 straight to MVS/XA (IBM made us an offer we couldn't refuse). This was a little before CBIPO so first had to lay down a starter system that was some flavor of MVS/370 or /SP. I say that because it ran under our VM/SP (actually HPO) system. Before we could start working on the MVS/XA system itself we had to install VM/XA which was in the process of being invented. The very first VM/XA for customers was VM/XA Migration Aid, followed as quickly as possible by VM/XA System Facility release 1 which was in turn followed about 6 months later by release 2. My boss and I knew all the VM/XA level 2 people by their first names. We definitely 'got' to do the stage 1 and stage 2 MVS gens once we got that far. Looking back on it is fondly nostalgic but it was a constant pain at the time - but, boy oh boy, did we learn things! Good times. I don't think this helps the original poster much, but it did bring back memories Jim Horne -Original Message- ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical machine. Peter I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat ware option later... On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > Joe > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> Hi, all, >> >> Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. >> was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS >> 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? >> >> I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any >> "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task >> accomplished? >> >> Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional >> source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic >> tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? >> >> Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. >> >> All the best, >> >> Mark S. Waterbury >> -- Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 b...@psu.edu There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mails below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message electronic, paper, or otherwise. By transmitting documents via this email: Users, Customers, Suppliers and Vendors collectively acknowledge and agree the transmittal of information via email is voluntary, is offered as a convenience, and is not a secured method of communication; Not to transmit any payment information E.G. credit card, debit card, checking account, wire transfer information, passwords, or sensitive and personal information E.G. Driver's license, DOB, social security, or any other information the user wishes to remain confidential; To transmit only non-confidential information such as plans, pictures and drawings and to assume all risk and liability for and indemnify Lowe's from any claims, losses or damages that may arise from the transmittal of documents or including non-confidential information in the body of an email transmittal. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > Brian W. France > > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > > Pennsylvania State University > > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > > 814-863-4739 > > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." > > Carl Sagan > > --- > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If > the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail > and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical machine. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian France Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat ware option later... On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > Joe > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> Hi, all, >> >> Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. >> was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS >> 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? >> >> I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any >> "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task >> accomplished? >> >> Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional >> source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic >> tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? >> >> Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. >> >> All the best, >> >> Mark S. Waterbury >> -- Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 b...@psu.edu There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
Yes, and I believe the "driving' system for install had to be MVS/SP or higher... Joe On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:11 PM Brian France wrote: > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth > bloat ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > >> Hi, all, > >> > >> Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > >> was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > 3.8J, > >> or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > >> > >> I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > >> "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > >> accomplished? > >> > >> Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source > >> materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was > >> that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? > >> > >> Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Mark S. Waterbury > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > Brian W. France > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > Pennsylvania State University > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > 814-863-4739 > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." > > Carl Sagan > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat ware option later... On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? Joe On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi, all, Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. All the best, Mark S. Waterbury -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 b...@psu.edu There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
It was ordered and installed using the CBIPO proceess, but the install needed to run on an existing MVS system. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > Joe > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Hi, all, > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, > > > > or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > accomplished? > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source > > > > materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was > > > > that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > All the best, > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? Joe On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi, all, > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, > or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > accomplished? > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source > materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was > that only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > All the best, > > Mark S. Waterbury > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA?
I installed MVS/XA under using our existing MVS/SP V1 system. For a new MVS customer I assume that IBM shipped a starter system like they do now which was a stripped down OS with just enough "stuff" to install the MVS/XA system. As for your optional source material question, I don't remember, but likely they did. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 3:04 PM, Mark S Waterbury <01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi, all, > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. was > there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS 3.8J, or > MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any "SYSGEN" > process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task accomplished? > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional source > materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic tape, or was that > only available on microfiche, if it was available at all? > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > All the best, > > Mark S. Waterbury > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
