[The Java Posse] Re: -Xmx is hurting java

2011-08-15 Thread Michael Neale
really?? every machine on the planet? that attitude is a worry, and a good example of what I feared is still the prevailing attitude. On Aug 15, 4:52 pm, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:58 AM, Michael Neale wrote: Even for server apps it is at odds with, well

[The Java Posse] Re: Concerned about Tor's mental health

2011-03-17 Thread Michael Neale
On Mar 16, 4:02 am, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: More seriously, I have seen many, many people working at Sun suffering from such a reality distortion field (probably not limited to Sun but that's a company I know very well). The amount of denial can be very, very high. Right so I

[The Java Posse] Re: Seriously HPSF - org.apache.poi.hpsf=Horrible Property Set Format etc

2011-03-16 Thread Michael Neale
POI == Poor Obfuscation Implementation IIRC? I think Andy Oliver started the project and came up with the name after pouring over what little publicly published specs of document formats there were. On Mar 17, 12:47 pm, mP miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote: I have used Apache POI in the past but

[The Java Posse] Re: McNealy says with Apple takeover, he would have 'screwed up' iphone and iPad

2011-02-27 Thread Michael Neale
I didn't know that about the Pentium Pro - fascinating. I always did like the pentium pro when it came out - there was something about it that just worked so nicely - I wondered what happened to that lineage. I guess I am using it now ;) On Feb 27, 9:34 pm, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Linux?

2011-02-22 Thread Michael Neale
it is RHEL - yes. If you want RHEL but don't want RHEL - Centos works well and is totally free. But sounds like you have some old school 90s coasters right there, don't throw them out ! On Feb 23, 6:52 am, Carl carljmo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe we received this at JavaOne but I have not

[The Java Posse] Re: Sonatype to stick with Hudson

2011-02-04 Thread Michael Neale
yeah it is unfortunate, the brand is powerful. (I work with Kohsuke @ cloudbees). Who knows if it will really take off, it is interesting to watch. The brand pull is powerful. If Jenkins takes off and hudson withers - shows power of community against oracle. Cool. If Hudson powers on, and

[The Java Posse] Hudson CI is know known as Jenkins

2011-01-11 Thread Michael Neale
http://kohsuke.org/bye-bye-hudson-hello-jenkins/ Cue the leeroooy jeeenkins joke. It just keeps on giving. Summary: oracle wouldn't put the trademark under a neutral party's custody, wanted to change how project works, upset the community that develops it. Community rejects, things move on. It

[The Java Posse] Re: Hudson CI is now known as Jenkins

2011-01-11 Thread Michael Neale
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[The Java Posse] Re: get your popcorn: oracle opens another front with the oss community

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Neale
The bad movie is seeing people declaring Oracle wrong as soon as there's a controversy, probably without thinking too much well clearly that isn't happening here - there was a lot of discussion - and it was sparked by an un-announced migration/work - so people thought it was time to move it

[The Java Posse] Re: Bob Lee declines to support Java standardisation charade

2010-11-18 Thread Michael Neale
I don't think it is necessarily that un-pragmatic - it sounds like he wouldn't get as much influence over things as he would like - so it would be not worth his time (as objections/contributions would be ignored anyway?). So a sensible decision for Bob. On Nov 19, 9:51 am, Casper Bang

[The Java Posse] Re: apache quitting JCP?

2010-11-09 Thread Michael Neale
Right - I think there is *some* oversensitivity towards everything oracle says. Think of it like an inflammed wound - when you have inflammation - small irritations become quite painful - at least until you heal. So we need healing... when I get that feeling I need... wait what? On Nov 10, 6:12 

[The Java Posse] Re: Good blogging services?

2010-11-07 Thread Michael Neale
I can recommend posterous https://posterous.com/ - it both hosts your blog - but can post to blogspot, wordpress and more - all you do is send an email to b...@posterous.com and then it routes it where it has to be. Its good for quick thoughts etc (heck even with gmail you get a good editing

[The Java Posse] Re: .Net Rocks

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Neale
and what we end up with is ROBOTS WITH BANDANNAS PEOPLE ! Is that the future you want for your kids ?? to be lorded over by robots wearing BANDANAS Say no to C++. PS not sure how to spell bandannas - so I spelled it 2 different ways, hope that helps. On Nov 4, 4:34 am, Kevin Wright

[The Java Posse] Re: Email from Jobs re Java on OS-X

2010-10-25 Thread Michael Neale
never fear - sign my petition to stop petitionspot spamming www.petitionspot.com/petitions/petitionspotspam On Oct 25, 9:23 pm, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote: If you do - just remember to revoke the OAUTH permissions after you sign up - they spam tweets from EVERYONE whose signed up

[The Java Posse] Re: Email from Jobs re Java on OS-X

2010-10-24 Thread Michael Neale
OK can we turn this thread into a meta argument about bringing up scala instead of an argument about arguing? On Oct 25, 3:33 am, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: On 10/22/2010 10:39 PM, CKoerner wrote: I never made an argument, just a conclusion. Is that ok with you

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple has just deprecated Java on the Mac!!!

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Neale
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-DontLinkElementID_2 OK so what does this mean: As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java that

[The Java Posse] Email from Jobs re Java on OS-X

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Neale
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frasers/5104179782/lightbox/ not sure if it is legit - but was up the top of hacker news: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1818550 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send

[The Java Posse] Re: [Scala] Martin Odersky says: Skills required

2010-10-06 Thread Michael Neale
I think that is true of a lot of things. I do use scala in my day job, but tend to advocate other things that I play with in my own time ;) On Oct 6, 3:28 am, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: 2010/10/4 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com Most developers simply don't have the luxury of

[The Java Posse] Re: Martin Odersky says: Skills required

2010-10-04 Thread Michael Neale
Yes. Once again the logical fallacy hits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question So the above posters are either being disingenuous to make a point**, or they are unable grasp basic logic which would allow them to write software ;) ** which is perfectly fine, if its all fun. On Sep

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX script to be dropped, JavaFX 2.0 will be an API on the JVM, usable from Java

2010-09-20 Thread Michael Neale
it's dead jim. This is swing2 - which they realy should have talked to the one remaining user (Jetbrains) about requirements before spending bazillions wasted on javafx. On Sep 21, 5:31 am, Jan Goyvaerts™ java.arti...@gmail.com wrote: Is it going to be Swing's successor then ? The language

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

2010-09-14 Thread Michael Neale
Rage against the Virtual Machine: System.gc(); you I won't do what you tell me. you I won't do what you tell me. you I won't do what you tell me. you I won't do what you tell me. On Sep 15, 9:12 am, Christian Catchpole christ...@catchpole.net wrote:

[The Java Posse] Re: Bye Bye Miss American Java

2010-09-13 Thread Michael Neale
And the 2 hackers I admire the most.. Gosling and Joy left Sun, and now it's toast. The day The Java™ Died On Sep 14, 2:39 pm, Christian Catchpole christ...@catchpole.net wrote: Oracle's Prayer Our Java, hath no prior-art in heaven, hallowed be thy trademark; thy monopoly come; thy will be

[The Java Posse] Re: Full Time Telecommuting

2010-09-08 Thread Michael Neale
yeah trust is essential. But then, if you can't trust them, having them in an office for regular hours helps how? Oh right, that is why everyone fails... People ask me this a lot, but I don't have an answer. The most reliable one (which is not what I do) is essentually freelance of short term

[The Java Posse] Re: Full Time Telecommuting

2010-09-08 Thread Michael Neale
, right? On 9 September 2010 09:58, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: yeah trust is essential. But then, if you can't trust them, having them in an office for regular hours helps how? Oh right, that is why everyone fails... People ask me this a lot, but I don't have an answer

[The Java Posse] Re: A few reactions to the latest episode (Oracle vs Google)

2010-09-07 Thread Michael Neale
community exactly in the way Oracle does not. On Sep 7, 2:14 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: Not disputing the attack on open source angle - but Oracle are filing a lawsuit against open source, as said by Josh Bloch:http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/08/update

[The Java Posse] Re: A few reactions to the latest episode (Oracle vs Google)

2010-09-06 Thread Michael Neale
Not disputing the attack on open source angle - but Oracle are filing a lawsuit against open source, as said by Josh Bloch: http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-javaone.html Google are adding to the fud by talking like this, and a lot of this is grandstanding to get the development

[The Java Posse] Re: A few reactions to the latest episode (Oracle vs Google)

2010-09-06 Thread Michael Neale
Should have said Oracle are NOT filing a lawsuit against open source as claimed by... On Sep 7, 10:14 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: Not disputing the attack on open source angle - but Oracle are filing a lawsuit against open source, as said by Josh Bloch:http

[The Java Posse] Re: Thoughtworks technology radar report

2010-09-03 Thread Michael Neale
Also remember thought works business is selling services/billable hours, not technology. From that perspective it probably makes sense (at least for bleeding edge consulting/service businesses). On Sep 4, 3:51 am, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote: What does popularity have to do with

[The Java Posse] Any more podcasts?

2010-09-02 Thread Michael Neale
The last recording was almost a month ago. Some Interesting Things have happened in the meantime - is this the lull before java one or what? It would be interesting to hear a Lively discussion on it. Or have Oracle gotten to the javaposse as well :( -- You received this message because you are

[The Java Posse] Re: About GPLv2 and patents

2010-08-19 Thread Michael Neale
I thought OpenJDK was safe - the terms state that pretty clearly. On Aug 19, 5:55 pm, Vince O'Sullivan vjosulli...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 18, 4:02 pm, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: In the end, all the fears around are about the OpenJDK not being safe enough from

[The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

2010-08-17 Thread Michael Neale
Acting as a patent troll is a bit worse than anyone expected though - if they had a legitimate way to attack android then fine - patents are not it though. Also - there is a general view that this if anything could even hurt oracle in the medium long term, so it *seems* foolish from all angles

[The Java Posse] Re: What could Oracle possibly be scheming?

2010-08-16 Thread Michael Neale
I think once upon a time it helped - but now if you claim ignorance of existing patents too loudly it probably makes you look more guilty to the judge. On Aug 16, 5:46 pm, Steven Herod steven.he...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I'm not disputing the stupidity of patents.  I mean, I think if you

[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

2010-08-16 Thread Michael Neale
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.comwrote: I think in summary of the last weeks happenings, we have our answer in how Oracle will treat the community. Regardless of the right/wrongness of patents, and in particular those generic patents (all with prior

[The Java Posse] Re: Dick's Crystal Ball: Oracle sues Google over Android. Facepalm!

2010-08-13 Thread Michael Neale
yes I don't think the *actual* damage to google will be another other then comically insignificant. I can't see how either side would benefit. All Oracle are doing are making people nervous, confirming fears, and generally causing a whole lot of frustration when everyone knows there can be no

[The Java Posse] Re: Dick's Crystal Ball: Oracle sues Google over Android. Facepalm!

2010-08-12 Thread Michael Neale
Couldn't agree more. And it is about patents- reading the legal statement now (its on scribd via dzone) which is just aggravating. Looks like parts of it would also apply to GWT, only it isn't as big a target, nor distributed in quite the same way I guess?? Anyway, quite upsetting. Those

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle - please explain?

2010-08-12 Thread Michael Neale
: remind me, what are they explaining? On 13 August 2010 11:43, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: I know there is no info around other than the initial statement - but this is really a really really bad thing for developer PR right not. Really bad. Please explain ! Even

[The Java Posse] Re: This years JavaZone trailer is out. Really fun!

2010-06-26 Thread Michael Neale
The hat was just brilliant. On Jun 25, 10:33 pm, Paul Nyheim paul.nyh...@gmail.com wrote: And notice the references to JavaPosse... :-D On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:27 PM, lazee jakobvadniel...@gmail.com wrote: http://jz10.java.no/java-4-ever-trailer.html -- You received this message

[The Java Posse] Re: OS-X - the abandoned platform?

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Neale
that is my experience in recent years to, day to day. I am being selfish here, I like OS-X as a pleasant enough unix to use for work and home life - and love linux at the end of my command lines for servers. On Jun 9, 3:02 pm, carl carl.qu...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 8, 9:10 am, Fabrizio

[The Java Posse] Re: OS-X - the abandoned platform?

2010-06-08 Thread Michael Neale
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/8/10 03:53 , Casper Bang wrote: On Jun 8, 2:13 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: I remember back to the old no java 6 for OS-X ZOMG ! days fondly. But it seems OS-X isn't being neglected by apple

[The Java Posse] Re: OS-X - the abandoned platform?

2010-06-08 Thread Michael Neale
yes it is totally hyperbole, and good point - yes it was a long time for windows. On Jun 9, 1:59 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote: Nice series of non-sequitur apple bashing there. None of that is even relevant. Apple relatively recently replaced their entire base *LANGUAGE* and

[The Java Posse] Re: OS-X - the abandoned platform?

2010-06-08 Thread Michael Neale
I don't want eye candy, I want a nice desktop. On Jun 8, 11:53 am, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2:13 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: I remember back to the old no java 6 for OS-X ZOMG ! days fondly. But it seems OS-X isn't being neglected by apple

[The Java Posse] OS-X - the abandoned platform?

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Neale
I remember back to the old no java 6 for OS-X ZOMG ! days fondly. But it seems OS-X isn't being neglected by apple for java so much as just in general. Given that it is an important developer platform - what are peoples thoughts on what is next? (it seems clear, at least at this stage, apple are

[The Java Posse] Re: John Muir is out of the office.

2010-06-03 Thread Michael Neale
yeah I remembered. On Jun 3, 6:50 pm, Christian Catchpole christ...@catchpole.net wrote: HA! I was going to post informing everyone it was bin night but i won't... Oh, I guess i have now :) On Jun 3, 4:00 pm, jm...@guskoeln.de wrote: Ich werde ab  2010-06-03 nicht im Büro sein. Ich

[The Java Posse] Re: Good gosh J7 lambdas/closures are looking worse by the day

2010-05-31 Thread Michael Neale
, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.baptiste-wicht.com/2010/05/oracle-pushes-a-first-version-o... I guess most of the attention has been on the semantics (and rightly so) but wow... just wow. (sorry to interupt the appleposse with java news). -- You received

[The Java Posse] Good gosh J7 lambdas/closures are looking worse by the day

2010-05-30 Thread Michael Neale
http://www.baptiste-wicht.com/2010/05/oracle-pushes-a-first-version-of-closures/comment-page-1/#comment-2023 I guess most of the attention has been on the semantics (and rightly so) but wow... just wow. (sorry to interupt the appleposse with java news). -- You received this message because you

[The Java Posse] Re: The closure debate is pants - No, no it isn't.

2010-05-27 Thread Michael Neale
if it reduces the complexity (sometimes boiler plate isnt the end of the world as long as you know what it does). I suspect closures will end up being the next generics debacle. R On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: Another

[The Java Posse] Re: The closure debate is pants - No, no it isn't.

2010-05-25 Thread Michael Neale
Another point brought up I think on the IllegalArgument podcast was how these would interact with non java languages - ie if JDK apis start using these closures - how will they map to other languages model of a closure. On May 26, 12:24 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote: I got the

[The Java Posse] Re: Why does Dick say android is java source compiled to the dalvik executable?

2010-05-20 Thread Michael Neale
of the tongue. On May 20, 2:53 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the dex (?) compiler worked off the bytecode, not java source code. The end result is of course java source ends up as dalvik bytecode, but that isn't the mechanism and it is misleading to say that (GWT would

[The Java Posse] Why does Dick say android is java source compiled to the dalvik executable?

2010-05-19 Thread Michael Neale
I thought the dex (?) compiler worked off the bytecode, not java source code. The end result is of course java source ends up as dalvik bytecode, but that isn't the mechanism and it is misleading to say that (GWT would be more correct as it does require java source). Eg scala on android, jruby,

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-18 Thread Michael Neale
given IE is used heavily in corporate IT deparments (most of the hold outs for IE6 are there I bet) - they would probably have a way to turn off auto update to be under Mordac the Preventers (ITs) control. Ie they will never update it as IT departments hate talking to people lest there be some

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple’s Secret iPhone Develop er Agreement Goes Public

2010-04-08 Thread Michael Neale
please report to your nearest apple store for re-education. On Apr 9, 11:28 am, Christian Catchpole christ...@catchpole.net wrote: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/iphone-developer-agreement/ I'm trying to understand how Apple have stopped people discussing the terms of the agreement.  

[The Java Posse] Re: This is why I love Android

2010-03-20 Thread Michael Neale
I agree (I am not currently an android user but most likely will be one day). In early days of the iphone (pre android, pre iphone app store) - I was amazed at the ability for people to build apps despite no official apis, and all out hostility from Apple. Yet amazing apps resulted. Android has

[The Java Posse] Re: NY Times: How Apple vs Google happened

2010-03-16 Thread Michael Neale
On Mar 16, 6:12 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote: The way gmail handles its IMAP is public information and nobody is going to get sued or impeded in trying to release a tool that reads into / out of this slightly non-conforming IMAP clone. Change that to no one will get sued

[The Java Posse] Re: Doing Distributed Development? - What's your Network Like?

2010-03-15 Thread Michael Neale
Construction - are you building something? So to continue the analogy, you will have ~50 people in india hand compiling it? (as that is what construction is). Make sure you report back how this project goes. On Mar 13, 1:50 am, andrew.bruce.law andrew.bruce@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys,

[The Java Posse] Re: IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?

2010-03-03 Thread Michael Neale
I heard that in QLD hospitals there is a captive DNS portal, before you get to the internet, which had a picture of the premier (whoever it was then) and said, in almost these words Don't surf for porn - can't remember the guys name, but he wasn't pretty, I imagine it had the desired effect. On

[The Java Posse] java server app of the week suggesion - Cassandra

2010-03-02 Thread Michael Neale
Cassandra - the non SQL distributed database. Recently twitter spoke about how they switched onto it (from heavily sharded MySQL). Note that it originated at facebook. So we have 2 of the biggest (and probably most important) social network platforms of our times depending on it now, and it is

[The Java Posse] Re: Joe Nuxoll's new podcast about User Experience Design

2010-02-22 Thread Michael Neale
yeah me too. Sounds awesome. They could examine apps-of the week, and dicuss what is good, what is bad, what could be improved and the design thinking behind it. On Feb 22, 4:11 pm, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote: I know Joe has a good radio voice, but dude - you're dreaming of him? ;-)

[The Java Posse] 3rd party libraries that are NOT written in java

2010-02-15 Thread Michael Neale
Hey All. This is probably worthy of a blog post, but I thought I would ask here. In posse podcasts, the dearth of 3rd party libs written in non java JVM languages is often brought up (ie jars that you use as dependencies of your project, or that are transitive dependencies of something you use).

[The Java Posse] Re: SCM advice

2010-02-12 Thread Michael Neale
Nice find ! Yes they are both excellent. I assume hg is as easy to get going with as git when you first install it? If so - go with either, you wont be disappointed. For me, the killer feature was github - as I am lazy - and it kind of holds my hand on how to do things (or did initially). I am

[The Java Posse] Re: Kenai - Good News

2010-02-07 Thread Michael Neale
, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: Seems the right thing - but probably a little late as all the projects frantically found other hosting. Happily, with DVCS it is really really easy to shift all the source code and not lose a single piece of history. On Feb 6, 11:28 am, Tor

[The Java Posse] Re: The iPhone, Open Systems, and Leaving Sun

2010-02-06 Thread Michael Neale
You are posting to this forum. You are not in the 90% of those people. In fact, you are probably not even in the 90% of the 10% that are left over ;) We are none of us normal. I am cool with it, but an very curious as to how the ipad looks/works and how the 90% of people view it. On Feb 5,

[The Java Posse] Re: Kenai - Good News

2010-02-06 Thread Michael Neale
Seems the right thing - but probably a little late as all the projects frantically found other hosting. Happily, with DVCS it is really really easy to shift all the source code and not lose a single piece of history. On Feb 6, 11:28 am, Tor Norbye tor.nor...@gmail.com wrote: In our last

[The Java Posse] Re: Next Wednesday D-Day for Sunoracle?

2010-01-22 Thread Michael Neale
I can't imagine that is accidental. Schedule bad news at a time like that makes 100% sense. On Jan 21, 4:27 pm, Josh McDonald j...@joshmcdonald.info wrote: But nobody will be listening, thanks to Steve :) 2010/1/21 Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala to Java compiler, one inch closer

2010-01-22 Thread Michael Neale
A few reasons: * Any more scala compilers can only be a Good Thing in solidifying the language spec * Tools like GWT that want to see java source code * Can be used as a tool to show what scala does * maybe will be able to compile scala - java - bytecode without scala lib deps (? not sure) * fun

[The Java Posse] Next Wednesday D-Day for Sunoracle?

2010-01-20 Thread Michael Neale
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/sun_oracle_approval/ Looks like theories will be validated or disproved next wednesday. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To

[The Java Posse] Re: How do we like the Nexus One?

2010-01-16 Thread Michael Neale
importantly I think the hardware feels good, seems very polished, well thought out, and the software will just keep getting better. Android is going to be huge. On Jan 17, 3:09 am, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: A few more detailed observations: + Hardware h263/h264 acceleration (86

[The Java Posse] Re: The cult of Apple secrecy

2010-01-12 Thread Michael Neale
, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think Joe's experience is even remotely related to what a product engineer would go through: keeping your mouth shut over something really exciting and cool for a couple of weeks is nothing compared to certain death (dismissal

[The Java Posse] Re: The cult of Apple secrecy

2010-01-09 Thread Michael Neale
, people can buy it now from google.com/phone and we'll ship so you have it tomorrow. /Casper On Jan 8, 12:04 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think Joe's experience is even remotely related to what a product engineer would go through: keeping your mouth shut over

[The Java Posse] Re: I don't think App Engine is hurting Java

2010-01-07 Thread Michael Neale
I have finished listening to the episode - and whilst I agree with possibly complaints about GAE, Android etc not *really* being java (as they don't use a JVM as we know it) GAE certainly IS a java - in fact the way it stops things working (which is annoying) is AFAIK using the security model

[The Java Posse] Re: The history of rickroll (it wasn't as Joe said)

2010-01-04 Thread Michael Neale
(such as e.g. being employed) of those who can see your computer screen. But it can be hilarious on occasion. On Jan 4, 7:05 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: In episode WhateverICan'tRemember, Joe explained rick rolling as coming from goatse - whilst in some base sense

[The Java Posse] The history of rickroll (it wasn't as Joe said)

2010-01-03 Thread Michael Neale
In episode WhateverICan'tRemember, Joe explained rick rolling as coming from goatse - whilst in some base sense that is true (tricking people into looking at something else), really it came more from duck rolling - tricking people into looking at a picture of a duck with wheels on it (hence the

[The Java Posse] JVM RD alive and very very well... at Azul...

2009-12-26 Thread Michael Neale
http://blogs.azulsystems.com/cliff/2009/12/touching-base.html An interesting read to see what they have been up to with hotspot etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to

[The Java Posse] Re: Sun Reductions Will Hit Open Source Efforts

2009-12-25 Thread Michael Neale
Did you forget to include the link to it? its a bit sad, but perhaps not surprising. On Dec 26, 6:35 am, Mark Fortner phidia...@gmail.com wrote: Thought this article might be of interest to the readers if the Java   Posse list. I was saddened to hear about the layoff to the OpenJDK   project

[The Java Posse] Re: app servers compared

2009-12-20 Thread Michael Neale
PermGen space is not required by any JVM, in fact IIRC JRockit never had it (not sure about IBMs JVM or others). It seems an out dated concept (that class data is special and all defined well ahead of time to be lazy loaded) which needs to go. But perhaps if there wasn't permgen space, then class

[The Java Posse] Re: Why have Java Posse members changed jobs?

2009-12-08 Thread Michael Neale
market, how often is too often to be changing jobs? If there is a problem, jumping ship is the right thing to do. But at what point do you look like you're not going to be happy anywhere and employers get that message from your resume? On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Michael Neale

[The Java Posse] Re: Why have Java Posse members changed jobs?

2009-12-08 Thread Michael Neale
On Dec 9, 11:03 am, MassH massimohei...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure Scala has plenty of tangible benfits, but you can make similar cases for most other programming languages and it is all firmly in the realm of developer preference. If you're looking for the hot jobs/sklls of tomorrow, finding

[The Java Posse] Re: Why have Java Posse members changed jobs?

2009-12-06 Thread Michael Neale
other reasons: * Great alternative offer/compromising photographs * Lifestyle (or location) * The feeling that my work here is done and you probably need a change to get mojo back? plenty of reasons. Also, having certain names on your resume does help moving around a bit, as well as living in

[The Java Posse] Re: Why have Java Posse members changed jobs?

2009-12-06 Thread Michael Neale
, jumping ship is the right thing to do. But at what point do you look like you're not going to be happy anywhere and employers get that message from your resume? On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.comwrote: other reasons: * Great alternative offer

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala IDE?

2009-11-09 Thread Michael Neale
I quite enjoy IDEA with scala, haven't tried the latest and greatest of it though. VERY encouraged to head that 2.8 with eclipse is going from strength to strength. A lot of the aims of 2.8 was to make things play nice with IDEs - which is all great in theory, but to see it paying off is indeed

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse #276 - Roundup 09 - Where Does Developer Time Go?

2009-11-09 Thread Michael Neale
So your team wasn't happy that you know how much they were slacking, when you didn't have to run it (presumably showing 90% of your time was spent on myley cyrus myspace page). On Nov 10, 10:25 am, Steven Herod steven.he...@gmail.com wrote: It records the window title as displayed in MS

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala almost as good as C# .NET4

2009-11-03 Thread Michael Neale
I didn't even get a chance to reply but can I be in the scope of the idiot block too? On Nov 3, 7:47 pm, Steven Herod steven.he...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure you needed to refer to the respondents as 'idiots'? Had a bad day? On Nov 3, 5:45 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com

[The Java Posse] Re: Answers from Oracle about Sun Products

2009-10-29 Thread Michael Neale
I see no evidence of Miley: http://www.last.fm/user/michaelneale/library (and its hanna montanna to you !). On Oct 29, 10:44 am, Steven Herod steven.he...@gmail.com wrote: It's still barely enough to cover Michael Neale's Miley Cyrus music collection. Or so I've heard. On Oct 29, 10:34 

[The Java Posse] Re: JP 284 comments on finding passports

2009-10-26 Thread Michael Neale
For extra points he could put traces of explosive compounds in it, something with lots of nitrogen. That way he really won't lose it when they ask him for his passport. Of course when they ask why he has a radioactive passport with traces of explosives, if he lets them know he writes scala for a

[The Java Posse] Re: Netbeans 6.8 beta

2009-10-24 Thread Michael Neale
A wollongong dialect of aussie? another one: 'kin oath - a new beans out out ! On Oct 24, 6:44 pm, Steven Herod steven.he...@gmail.com wrote: Strewth? Netbeans 6.8! I'd take a squizz, but I'm flat out like a lizard drinking. On Oct 24, 10:28 am, Marcelo Fukushima takesh...@gmail.com

[The Java Posse] Re: Netbeans 6.8 beta

2009-10-24 Thread Michael Neale
Great work chaps ! The boffins have a new Netbeans out ! (The Queen's English). On Oct 25, 1:05 am, Tomasz Dziurko tdziu...@gmail.com wrote: Pojawił się nowy Netbeans! (Polish) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[The Java Posse] Re: Other Side of the Coin

2009-10-23 Thread Michael Neale
, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure they could interview 90% of developers out there, but I think all the posse members are of that opinion? (at least Dick and Joe are). On Oct 23, 11:42 am, Randinn rand...@gmail.com wrote: No, I mean the people that say

[The Java Posse] Re: Other Side of the Coin

2009-10-22 Thread Michael Neale
There was a depressing interview with Alex Buckley and Joe Darcy: http://www.javaposse.com/index.php?post_id=529403 Is that what you mean? On Oct 23, 11:00 am, Randinn rand...@gmail.com wrote: I remember there was a mention in the 'ivory tower' thread about a interview with people on the

[The Java Posse] Re: Other Side of the Coin

2009-10-22 Thread Michael Neale
, 11:14 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: There was a depressing interview with Alex Buckley and Joe Darcy:http://www.javaposse.com/index.php?post_id=529403 Is that what you mean? On Oct 23, 11:00 am, Randinn rand...@gmail.com wrote: I remember there was a mention

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaOne vs OpenWorld

2009-10-10 Thread Michael Neale
Conference Driven Development? CDD - I think there was a book being worked on for that. On Oct 10, 8:09 am, Steven Herod steven.he...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I thought JavaOne had become massively bloated and a huge distraction for Sun. It was crazy how much work Sun put into demos and

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Posse at Oracle OpenWorld?

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Neale
are you referring to the rumour that JavaOne is over and that OracleWorld will be it? On Oct 6, 6:38 am, philvar...@gmail.com philvar...@gmail.com wrote: Any plans?  If not, maybe at least a meetup for (unsponsored) beer near Moscone on Monday or Tuesday?

[The Java Posse] Re: Lombok v. language changes: Oh, you bet we're going there!

2009-10-04 Thread Michael Neale
I think the stirring up that lombok has done, is absolutely fantastic. I seem to hear about it from all over the place. So regardless of what happens with the future of javac, or the java language, lombok will have had an impact, so I hope it keeps going, keeps pushing. Do go there ! On Sep

[The Java Posse] Re: The JCP death spiral

2009-10-03 Thread Michael Neale
newsgroup are basically bashing the JCP for lacking the voice of a developer, whereas on the other hand there are threads deploring the death spiral of the JCP process. If the JCP dies, but stuff like coin keeps the community spirit mostly alive, I'm okay with that. On Oct 3, 6:13 am, Michael

[The Java Posse] Re: Augmented Reality Apps (observations more than anything)

2009-10-02 Thread Michael Neale
Google star map is fantastic - I have only seen it on android. But anything else I have tried seems, well, rubbish. Maybe we will look back and laugh like we do at VRML and other things. On Oct 1, 6:43 am, jamesh jameshug...@gmail.com wrote: Hallo Augmented Reality seems to be really

[The Java Posse] Re: Whatever happened to a javaposse in Sydney

2009-09-29 Thread Michael Neale
by the unoffical javaposse sponsors who just happend to be based in Sydney hint hint (atlassian) On Sep 29, 10:29 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: and my javaposse I mean javaposse roundup ! On Sep 29, 10:28 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
On top of that answers to pretty much anything rails and ruby related are just a google (or a bing !) away - due to the prolofic nature of the enthusiasts that use it and just have to blog about every little detail -seemed irritating at the time, but the by the power of greyskull, and the

[The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
POSWSAXHTML Plain Old Scala With Servlets And (literal) XHTML (and throw in some jquery on the client). Worked a charm, no extra dependencies (other then scala). Nice and minimalist. On Sep 26, 5:25 am, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious on what people feel are the top 3 Java

[The Java Posse] Whatever happened to a javaposse in Sydney

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
(or Melbourne, or NZ) etc.. was some talk of it a while back... I am sure at least *some* of the posse members would be willing to make the trek. Note: from SFO to Sydney is 14 hours or less (was just under 12 hours flight back for me last June) with NO stopovers, direct, non stop. (in AU/NZ

[The Java Posse] Re: Whatever happened to a javaposse in Sydney

2009-09-28 Thread Michael Neale
and my javaposse I mean javaposse roundup ! On Sep 29, 10:28 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: (or Melbourne, or NZ) etc.. was some talk of it a while back... I am sure at least *some* of the posse members would be willing to make the trek. Note: from SFO to Sydney is 14

[The Java Posse] Re: Is Google's Noop Java based language the 'New Java' we've been waiting for?

2009-09-20 Thread Michael Neale
More importantly, what are the beards like of the language creators - much research has shown that beard quality is a good indicator of the success or longevity of a programming language ** ** with the exception of COBOL and its creator ;) On Sep 18, 3:47 am, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote:

[The Java Posse] Re: #277: Not a view from an ivory tower

2009-09-17 Thread Michael Neale
On Sep 16, 6:06 am, Dick Wall dickw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if it is something in the water recently - maybe the economic downturn - but this constant assumption that the Java Posse are bullies, or lapdogs, or tabloid journalists, etc. seems to be coming up more and more. It's

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