It seems that the thing that is off in all of this discussion is
that we are trying to determine which is more complex between the
languages, when what we really care about are the programs written in
those languages.
To that end, I really just want to simply point to something like
scalatest or
matter if we call a method plus or + if it's not doing addition,
it'll be confusing anyway.
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems that the thing that is off in all of this discussion is
that we are trying to determine which is more complex between
I would challenge the first claim. I can not claim that they are more
ambiguous than symbols, but I challenge the thought that they are less
so. The second claim is true, but you can always use parentheses in
both cases.
Implicits can go awry, I'm sure. However, having them all defined
locally
:) My apologies. (I really need to work on not seeing all responses as
rebuttals.)
On Aug 9, 9:25 am, Viktor Klang viktor.kl...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, sorry, I wasn't bashing your point, I was agreeing!
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
You twisted my point
On Aug 10, 9:51 am, Alexey Zinger inline_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think the exercise in generic ORM frameworks is largely a failure at this
point.
I hate ORM pretty much with a passion on most days, and yet I still
hesitate to call it a failure. In fact, I would go so far as to say
that for
Could the copyright be as simple as stating that they did not satisfy
the copyright claims of the JDK so that they do not get to use the
patented stuff for free?
On Aug 17, 6:24 am, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
wrote:
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On Aug 25, 6:56 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
NB: Also worth considering: No language EVER has become truly gigantic
by offering nice syntax. Instead, the languages that won tended to
offer really crappy syntax but provided something else, not related to
syntax, that
On Aug 26, 9:09 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
What's confusing about that? Folks switched from C to java in fairly
large droves, and my entire argument is that this happened not because
java was C with nicer syntax, but because java was very much not C at
all: It did NOT
, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:09 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
What's confusing about that? Folks switched from C to java in fairly
large droves, and my entire argument is that this happened not because
java was C with nicer syntax
On Aug 26, 4:53 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
If you think Pattern Matching counts as something you can do in
scala but can't in java, I must not have made my argument clear.
That's just syntax sugar. Nice syntax sugar, surely, but syntax sugar
nonetheless. What I'm
On Aug 27, 4:07 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
If this is your interpretation of what programming language means,
then my argument becomes quite a bit simpler:
No programming language has ever become popular because of its
featureset. They lucked into it based on the
I believe it is Single Abstract Method. Used as a description for many
interfaces.
Typical examples are Runnable, Callable, Predicate, and Function. We have
plenty of others at work, but they are all some form of Function. Typically
the only real difference is number of parameters. And...
2010/8/27 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Kevin Wright
kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
Myself, and the rest of the Scala evangelists on this list are going
to great pains to point out that: no, actually, Scala is for everyone.
Of course you realize that
2010/8/28 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/8/27 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com
wrote:
Myself, and the rest of the Scala evangelists
2010/8/29 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
Go on then... create the DSL in Java
it must be possible to write the following fragment, in a .java file, so
that it compiles and is checked by the compiler and
2010/8/29 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Kevin Wright
kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
no, No, NO
Kojo is absolutely NOT an interpreter
You can use full power of Scala's syntax and libraries within Kojo, it's
an internal DSL
THAT is the *entire*
2010/8/29 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
And also: loops, iterations, if, lists, tuples, sets, maps, fields,
methods, singleton objects, traits, operators and operator overloading,
expressions, case classes, pattern
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand, Scala gives you the equally awesome power
of type classes, which demand static typing. Take your pick!
Umm, feels like you're missing something: Fantom gives you static
typing when you can,
2010/8/30 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
And, to me, the fact that Scala can support a language that doesn't
immediately require knowledge of advanced data structures and control flow
is what makes it a pretty awesome
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Wildam Martin mwil...@gmail.com wrote:
Solving end-user problems is far more important than learning crazy
new programming paradigms.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears to be saying new programming
paradigms don't help solve end-user problems. I
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Wildam Martin mwil...@gmail.com wrote:
I am still faster in delivering a project written in VB for many
cases, although there are many good and better paradigms for me using
Java. So I really like more programming in Java but this does not mean
that it helps
2010/9/4 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
This might sound like an obvious plus, but you need to realize that in the
absence of software patents, maybe these companies would simply never have
come up with these ideas in the first place because they wouldn't see the
point in investing millions
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Wildam Martin mwil...@gmail.com wrote:
1. In your Scala sample I don't see what that type of items list
contains or should contain.
2. Your example is a typical simple sample you would give when
learning or teaching Scala. In realtime there would be more in the
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.comwrote:
alteration to make this clear follows, but I am trying to point out a
difference that makes converting from (poor) Java to Scala difficult.
I'm confused. The call was for something that couldn't be made better in
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
optimization is a tricky enough topic on the JVM anyway, varying depending
on your platform, startup params, whether or not the JVM believes it's
running on server-class hardware, how long the program has been
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.comwrote:
so in terms on using Java web frameworks I can use anyone without problems?
Lift just looks so different to me; probably a result of my lack of Scala
knowledge.
You can't use GWT, as it is currently tied to .java
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
How can a thread about Scala possibly be hijacked by Scala?
Isn't that a bit like hijacking a road, with cars?
I think he is likening this to a nurse in that is done in response to
someone being told they couldn't
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Liam Knox liamjk...@gmail.com wrote:
I would also argue against the DSL's to a point. Again if you look at the
larger picture DSL's can exponentially increase the surface areas in
projects, yet another mini language to understand and often implemented by
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Liam Knox liamjk...@gmail.com wrote:
I like the idea but its not what I see that happens in practice at least in
the financial sector. You rarely see the same modelling applied by 2
systems even for very common aspects such as trades, cashflows or accounts.
If we are going to look at the beginnings of the PC explosion with an eye
towards allowed patents, wouldn't it have been likely the entire clone
market would have been illegal? Copyright was only not applied because the
stuff was developed by people that didn't see the original stuff. This
2010/9/13 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot
reini...@gmail.comwrote:
Cripes, Cedric. Get your head unstuck from the sand. This is a basic
logical fallacy. You really need to look it up.
I keep showing you facts and you keep responding
2010/9/14 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.comwrote:
If by knock-offs you mean copies at the UI level, let me remind you
of the Lotus-vs-Borland suit in the early 1990s where it was judged
that user interfaces cannot be
2010/9/14 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
Not sure what you mean: Apple (and all US software companies) have been
able to do that for a very long time.
For example, it took me a couple of minutes to find a UI patent filed by
Apple in
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Miroslav Pokorny
miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
I have to agree with this, counting preamble at the top of a file is
totally relevant when comparing two implementations of an
2010/9/19 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
I've found Java to be remarkably style impervious in the sense that I can
read Java code using all kinds of different styles (different indentations,
different brace placements, different namings for fields or variables,
etc...) and not be bothered by
to be a hotbed of innovation for all
this literate DSL'y stuff
On 19 September 2010 18:58, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/9/19 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
I've found Java to be remarkably style impervious in the sense that I can
read Java code using all kinds of different
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
I don't think he invented it. For those who have an interest in it, a
better alternative is, instead of declaring that you return A,
instead forget A and declare that you return RuntimeException. Then,
advise people
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
Indeed, it is very related. In that it's stupid. There's great value
in debating which style is best, but once the pros and cons are
weighed, there's far more benefit in everyone standardizing on the
same thing than
At face value, it seems arguing for optional dynamic typing while at the
same time arguing that checked exceptions are superior is a shaky position.
Or am I off in saying that all runtime exceptions are optionally checked.
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
Because there's use in having the compiler be your pair programmer.
It's nice when your compiler tells you: Hey, uh, did you think about
FileNotFoundException?
I'm just asking for the ability to say: Yes, I did,
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
How's that different? The only thing you just told me is that you want
to turn forgot to do something with checked exception from error to
warning, which is close to a no-op in my book - I can delve into the
eclipse
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Miroslav Pokorny
miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote:
Ultimately i believe this discussion only exists because people just want
to pretend that the wrong ( in this case exceptional) things dont happen in
their code.
I thought it was API designers typically
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Miroslav Pokorny
miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote:
So in other words by statement that developers dont want to deal with
excecptions because its more work is right ? and since most libraries throw
lots of exceptions using them because a game of catch this
Simply put. What does your sneaky throws give me that I do not already have
if I am only using RuntimeExceptions? I can currently add those to my
hearts content on my method signatures. I can already catch them where they
don't appear to originate from. Warnings would be nice, I'll give. I'll
I don't really see the controversy in this. Martin is basically putting on
a marketing hat for this quote. As wonderful as the final ad was in the
movie Dodgeball, the reality is that if you want to get the message out
about a product, you reach out to people that are already good in the field
2010/9/27 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
This sounds like a reversal from the past position, and saying that Scala
is for good programmers only is not going to help adoption, unfortunately.
To expand on my point some. What isn't good for the adoption of Scala is
when good Java programmers
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
That makes me think. Is it far to say that what you program in can
sometimes be less important that the kind of people you end up working
with? There are languages I would not normally favour but if I had the
right people to
Even quicker than that, More Actions - Mute. No need to create a special
filter that will only really be meaningful as long as that thread is still
active.
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Steven Siebert smsi...@gmail.com wrote:
Fortunately, you are using a @gmail account (which, I preseume,
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
In fact, I said JDK8.
On Oct 12, 12:53 pm, Eric Newcomer enewco...@gmail.com wrote:
Nope. You didn't name any version. But that's neither here nor there.
You see, I was responding to Fabrizio, not you. That's why
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Then have you also noticed, that newspaper articles are among the
hardest to read for kids learning?
Pretty sure this has to do with more than just the number of
characters/words. :)
We're all different, but I find
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
The big mistake here is to think in lines. There ARE no lines, only
nodes we have come to interpret by reading many thousands source
files. Line wrapping would at least allow developers to remain focused
on the
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
For example, method signatures with a lot of parameters tend to grow
long quickly, but adding a line continuation thoroughly screws up the
indentation (just think about it - your method signature is a mix of
indent
2010/10/14 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
I disagree. I read a lot of Java from various projects, all with different
coding conventions, and these coding conventions are never an impediment to
my reading for more than a couple of minutes.
I need only point to a simple example that involves
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
easily merge two branches where one removed an argument and one added.
That was the entire reason I mentioned it.
I'm greatly amused that my insistence on using the old two spaces
after a period has caused the software
I'm amused that you call this ascii art. I would agree that it might
get tedious if I had to do the spaces by hand, but even the example I
showed is the default indentation of IDEA. I think it is the same for
Eclipse, don't have it to check right off.
As for the merging concern any merge
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Ricky Clarkson
ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote:
Your code actually showed up misaligned, because I viewed it using a
proportional font.
I wouldn't be too surprised if it was misaligned simply because I
quickly did it by hand. As long as we are using spaces
2010/10/14 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
Sometimes, I wonder if it would be possible to invent a more formal
canonical format for source files. Something like a .class file but that
would be completely lossless when converted back to text form (contain
comments, exact code as it was
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Ricky Clarkson
ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote:
Because I don't align anything past the initial structure-based
indentation level, it doesn't matter whether I use spaces or tabs, as
long as I don't mix them (I use spaces exclusively, but used to use
tabs
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Ricky Clarkson
ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote:
Erm, floating point precision is something virtually every user of
floating point should be aware of.
Amusingly, you can rewrite that as floating point precision is
something virtually every user of floating point
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
\ But now we're in deep trouble. If [0, 0, 1] is equal to [0, 0], and
[0, 0] is in turn equal to [0, 0, 2], we are forced by the
transitivity rule to conclude that [0, 0, 1] is equal to [0, 0, 2].
But that's
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to wonder how kids today would react if you sat them down at a
computer and it booted into basic. Ha!
To be fair, it isn't like most kids back in the day were excited
about this style thing. :)
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No no, he would say fragmented. :)
2010/10/20 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
I know what Steve Jobs would say: Not Android.
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wrote:
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Thunderbird shows these messages as threaded (very nice).
I believe he meant with branches.
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Christopher Rued chris...@gmail.com wrote:
Thunderbird shows these messages as threaded (very nice).
I believe he meant with branches.
Or does that mean I should jump over to thunderbird
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Rued chris...@gmail.comwrote:
I don't think Gmail, or even Google groups, support this for some reason...
You are correct. :( This is sad, as I really don't want to switch out of
gmail just for the groups stuff.
Ah well, I guess I can be one of
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Ricky Clarkson
ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps it's because I'm not actually signed up to many mailing lists,
but personally I don't find the lack of branching in gmail a problem.
I very quickly scroll past the uninteresting posts, like I do in
google
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Miroslav Pokorny
miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote:
And what about all those libraries... are you going to trust your entire
business on ikvm ?
Is that any worse than trusting your business to what Apple currently endorses?
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Fabrizio Giudici
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On 10/22/10 14:01 , CKoerner wrote:
The Mac is becoming nothing but a big iPhone (without the phone or
touch
capabilities) for your desk.
That is the dumbest thing anyone has ever written about a Mac.
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Nope, nor do I know any others who have. I take it you are insinuating
that Java was going after the flash game segment.
Actually, I believe he was only directly challenging that most people
couldn't care less about
2010/10/24 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
How about running this thought experiment on two high level languages, one
which requires 3 lines of code and one which requires 1?
The answer is much less clear cut in this case.
You can do the exact same thought experiment completely in Java.
Which
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:24 AM, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote:
The key difference is, where .Net rocks will have episodes dedicated
to talking about Java and guests on to explain things (because they
are not Java developers themselves), the JPG will not and do not try
to make any such
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
Java holds backwards compatibility as sacrosanct, and its current
designers know this. Therefore, they don't add features unless its
clearly the best possible answer given existing constraints. As you
just said,
2010/11/10 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
You keep missing the point of the original poster with amazing consistency.
My understanding of the question is: I want to develop a new language, what
are the pros and cons of targeting the JVM?.
A discussion that would be part of the answer might
2010/11/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
I just don't understand why so many people enjoy doing by hand things that
can be 100% automated.
No matter how productive you are writing Java with a text editor, you will
become *more* productive with an IDE.
Having seen some amazing things done
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
On 11/23/2010 06:38 PM, Josh Berry wrote:
Of course, at the risk of this being a language battle thread, I don't
understand why so many people are fine having something automated that
could be flat out
2010/11/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
We were specifically talking about refactoring but I'm not afraid to extend
my claim to editing :-)
My understanding was the claim extending to writing. :)
Having established the parity in text navigation feature of all these
editors, I'll repeat
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/11/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
We were specifically talking about refactoring but I'm not afraid to extend
my claim to editing :-)
My understanding was the claim extending[sic] to writing. :)
I like how I serve
2010/11/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
You get the idea.
That's just one very simple example in which IDE's make me more productive
in ways that regular text editors can't.
I did neglect that imports are quite nice with IDEs. That is the most
important one, to me. Of course, there is
2010/11/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
All I want to do is Add a constructor with a String parameter to the Person
class or Declare field m_name. Making this happen should be a one click
operation.
How does this compare to clojure's defstruct? :)
I understand what you are saying, but
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Robert Casto casto.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
Some people think the scanners are immodest or a complete invasion of
privacy. The courts have not decided on that. People have their own beliefs,
so if they feel so strongly against it, they should not fly. Flying is
2010/11/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
If a plane blew up because of X, wouldn't you want to make sure that the TSA
is making sure that nobody boarding the plane is able to do X?
Has this if statement been triggered? Seems we should safely still be
in the else path. :)
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There's an old saying that you should never discuss sex, politics or
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When has we ever been polite company? :)
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On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Andreas Petersson andr...@petersson.at wrote:
my conclusion: In a team a single person not using top-notch tools can
potentially harm the productivity of everyone.
My conclusion from those experiences, sub-par developers produce
sub-par results. To blame that
2010/11/24 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
It's not that simple: IDE's perform some basic cleanup that limits the
amount of noise that bad developers generate, such as cleaning up imports,
flagging unused variables, checking the style and formatting the code
correctly, etc...
What?? Even in
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
NB: Don't hand-write your equals and hashCode, don't let your IDEs
generate it either, use Project Lombok :) http://projectlombok.org/
Holy crap. If some people mentioned scala a 10th of the time you
mention lombok,
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
It was what I thought twenty years ago. Then I learned how engineers and
computer scientists can easily lose the focus. We are fit to solve problems
that, in a global scale, are small, isolated and well
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot
reini...@gmail.com wrote:
Josh: Why don't you apologize?
Of course, I could have been referring to myself in that accusation,
no? I even specifically avoided mentioning Scala in this thread
because I know it is a hot nerve for some of you.
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's fair to invoke Lombok at times when it's relevant to mention
any other JVM language as a viable solution to some problem, and Reinier
does only tend to mention it where relevant.
I think I was really
2010/11/29 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
Free speech and free religion don't give you the right to come plant signs
on my lawn.
The only qualm I have with that line on this is that the device in my
possession is not your lawn. If they wish to partake in practices
like this, than they
2010/11/29 Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it:
I think that the problem is not that Apple decides what to publish to their
Store (Cedric is right, they have the right to decide), but that the iPhone
and the iPad can only install things at the Apple Store. Nothing news, of
course.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Karsten Silz karsten.s...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 30, 12:56 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
Quite... The app store has a monopoly over distribution of software to iOS
devices. I have no idea what definition of monopoly is required for
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Chris Adamson invalidn...@gmail.com wrote:
Karsten's right on this point on consoles, and it goes further than is
generally recognized. The console owners also control the
manufacturing and distribution of retail game products, and only allow
titles to remain
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Chris Adamson invalidn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 30, 9:05 am, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Chris Adamson invalidn...@gmail.com wrote:
But I question
whether any of them practice the level of control that Apple
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
I can think of 3 reasons off the top of my head.
1) Fewer women are interested in Computer Science.
2) Women are put of by the high proportion of men in this field.
3) Women are put off by the treatment they receive from
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
This seems to devalue the virtues with which women are more naturally
endowed.
I think this can be viewed as the core of your argument, and it is
highly contentious.
Consider, men and women are different, true. How many of
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Robert Casto casto.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
is going to be near impossible. Society wants to legalize and normalize all
deviant behavior it would seem.
We still have a LONG ways to go before we are even in the same
ballpark of depravity that was practiced in the
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
blown way out of proportion. What this thread *does* demonstrate to
me, is how it's gotten to the point that one can not even suggest men
and women may simply have different core interests (and thus
strengths), without
2010/12/8 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
It's hard to claim that there is nothing genetic about it, though.
Actually, it is just as easy to claim there is nothing genetic about
it as there is otherwise. Again, I'm not trying to preclude people
exploring the possibilities of this. I just
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes and no, a preference for sauerkraut vs croissants is almost certainly
cultural.
On the other hand, lactose tolerance is most definitely genetic. There's no
single clear answer.
Preference and intolerance are two
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
speaking in this thread. It's a well consolidated pattern: sometimes the
problem of women-in-technology appears in a blog, and all the consequential
discussions in mailing lists are carried on... only by men.
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