Re: [lfs-dev] Boot and shutdown timing

2012-10-06 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 03:51:25PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Bryan Kadzban wrote: If you use /dev/sd??, then I wish you the best of luck the next time the kernel's disk discovery order changes. Because it's not guaranteed to remain the same forever, and so when it changes, your system

Re: [lfs-dev] Boot and shutdown timing

2012-10-07 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 07:55:03PM -0700, Bryan Kadzban wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: I think you are stretching here a bit. I think there would be quite an outcry if sda and sdb were swapped just by rebooting (to the same drive). There might be an outcry, but I don't think it'd be that

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-support] What Is The LFS Partition?

2012-11-06 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:09:44PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Well if you have a mount point of /mnt/lfs, you can try doing: mount -t tmpfs -o rw,size=4G tmpfs /mnt/lfs mkdir /mnt/lfs/sources cp -a sources dir /mnt/lfs/sources I'd think that 4G would be plenty. After building, don't

Re: [lfs-dev] $100 for helping me understand/fix this

2012-11-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:07:41AM -0800, Paige Thompson wrote: Hey guys, what do you think of this: http://benoit.papillault.free.fr/notes/mk-cross-gcc sounds promising I think the whole discussion belongs on lfs-chat :) It has no obvious relevance to how the LFS book will develop.

Re: [lfs-dev] Notes on using Debian as an LFS host

2012-11-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:39:05PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: Just following up on this. First, the Intel Atom, at least model D2700, does not have 4 cores. It has 2 cores, each with hyper threading. This gives the appearance of 4 cores but not the performance. I

Re: [lfs-dev] Udev-196 not create /dev/disk/by-{id, label, uuid, ...}, not bring up eth0.

2012-11-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:42:13PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: Sorry, I forgot ... This is forked udev repo https://github.com/gentoo/eudev Thanks for the links. I'm reading them. -- Bruce I'm still waiting to see how that pans out, and wondering why these devs

Re: [lfs-dev] gptfdisk

2012-12-30 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:07:08PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Perhaps adding the page to BLFS and expanding the first paragraph in section 9.3 of LFS would be the way to go. Seems reasonable. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce --

Re: [lfs-dev] Temporary wget block

2013-01-01 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 01:21:26PM -0600, Gerard Beekmans wrote: Hi guys, After reviewing logs I ended up having to block the wget user agent in Apache for the time being. Pages such as http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/stable/ are causing issues with wget. The name, last

Re: [lfs-dev] Temporary wget block

2013-01-01 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:18:02PM -0600, Gerard Beekmans wrote: All this will be a moot point before this month (January) is out. Excellent. Later today I will try an experiment to reconfigure Apache to turn off the sorting headers and allow wget again and monitor usage and make a

[lfs-dev] higgs and the book list

2013-01-23 Thread Ken Moffat
Just checked I can access LFS on svn. r10101 and r10102 to add a testfile and then delete it. Seemed fine, but I got two mails like this - guess I'd better hold off testing that BLFS still works. ĸen Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:46:51 -0700 From: lfs-book-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org To:

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 01:31:31PM +, Matt Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 23:17 +, Matt Burgess wrote: I think it's probably fine too. I probably won't have time to run a test build this weekend with it in though. So, I managed to carve out some time :-) I've decided to

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 09:56:20AM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 01:31:31PM +, Matt Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 23:17 +, Matt Burgess wrote: I think it's probably fine too. I probably won't have time to run a test build

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:24:54AM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Cheers, I've just been preparing one (without the three ChangeLog parts). Attached. I don't think that's enough. The first failure is in gcc/doc/cppopts.texi and the second failure indicates problems

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 08:13:36PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: It turns out that the above warning does not actually stop the build like s/item/itemx/ does. Leave it with me - even if a larger patch does solve everything, I guess a workaround will still be needed in chapter 5 for building

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 01:31:23PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: Pierre Labastie wrote: Le 23/02/2013 22:52, Bruce Dubbs a écrit : Good point. I didn't notice that they were there by default. If the .info files are present, then there is no need to build them at all.

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 05:02:49PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Of course we are not building Fortran or Ada or Java, but with the commands I wrote earlier, I do have the following in /usr/share/info: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 240866 Feb 24 19:13 cpp.info -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 50231 Feb 24

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 06:45:26PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Nitpick: Its Ada, not ADA. Ada stands for Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace, the first programmer. She worked with Charles Babbage. -- Bruce See :

[lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
In LFS-7.2 we removed resizecons because at that time it only installed on i386 and it was generally useless for LFS users. My explanation said: Remove the redundant resizecons program (32-bit x86 only, needs the defunct svgalib, which predates linux-2.6 and is incompatible with modern KMS, to

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:22:11PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: In LFS-7.2 we removed resizecons because at that time it only installed on i386 and it was generally useless for LFS users. My explanation said: Remove the redundant resizecons program (32-bit x86 only, needs the defunct svgalib

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 04:56:10PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Since I don't use normally kbd at all, my experiences are limited. I almost never use the 'console' except via ssh and fonts are then controlled by the remote terminal program. I'll defer to your judgement. Just give me the

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:25:55PM +, Matt Burgess wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-25 at 22:47 +, Ken Moffat wrote: So perhaps we should just disable them again ? I've given up caring wither way, I'd just like the book to be consistent in what is documented ;-) Like you, I'm

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 05:34:32PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Yes, I intend to make 7.3 from svn on Friday, but I can delay that if we think we need to. I do hesitate to put things off because new packages just keep on turning up. On average, a new package in LFS is released once every

[lfs-dev] texinfo - inetutils

2013-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
Did I miss a fix for inetutils ? Apparently it installs fine for everyone who has used it, but I'm seeing this during 'make install': make: Entering directory `/building/inetutils-1.9.1/doc' rm -rf inetutils.htp if /bin/sh /building/inetutils-1.9.1/build-aux/missing --run makeinfo --html -I .

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo - inetutils

2013-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 05:34:06PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: The real question is why does your make wants to build html files? I have no reference to them at all. -- Bruce Thanks. On the host (texinfo-4.13) it doesn't seem to reference them. I'll compare the logs. ĸen -- das eine

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo - inetutils

2013-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:43:56PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 05:34:06PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: The real question is why does your make wants to build html files? I have no reference to them at all. Thanks. On the host (texinfo-4.13

[lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On my build of approximately 7.3 I got 4 failures in the procps tests. Pierre has fixed two of them (slabtop), but now that I've finished a minimal desktop I wanted to try to understand the other two before I try to prove it can build itself [ _without_ analyzing if it is bitwise the same, I've

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 08:51:37PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On my build of approximately 7.3 I got 4 failures in the procps tests. Pierre has fixed two of them (slabtop), but now that I've finished a minimal desktop I wanted to try to understand the other two before

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:08:18AM +, Ken Moffat wrote: - not my main problem at the moment - I'm now running it, but nfs (with updates) isn't working. Adding an /etc/netconfig (!) sort of helps, but rpcbind still isn't working. I'm seeing rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 08:51:37PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: The interesting part of the log is: Running ./pgrep.test/pgrep.exp ... ERROR: tcl error sourcing ./pgrep.test/pgrep.exp. ERROR: can't read tty: no such variable I've seen this if trying in chroot without

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 05:51:30PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'm not sure. The base code has: set pmap ${topdir}pmap set pmap_initname 1:\\s+\\S+\[^\\r\]+\\s+ ... set test pmap X with unreachable process spawn $pmap -X 1 expect_pass $test $pmap_initname\$ The sed removes that

[lfs-dev] my test results from letting current svn build itself

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Moffat
Further comments on other testsuites. This is with current LFS-svn (linux-3.8.0, file-5.13, and Bruce's suggestions for using the shipped info files from gcc, plus eudev instead of Bruce's continuing efforts to tame udev from systemd). Much as expected. This time in glibc I got Error 1 from

[lfs-dev] LFS will need bc.

2013-04-01 Thread Ken Moffat
I'd seen comments on the kernel list about bc being required in 3.9, and then forgotten about them (on my desktops I have it anyway, for xscreensaver). It gets used for kernel/timeconst.h https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2143611/ Now I'm just doing a fresh 7.3 install to test some changes I

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS will need bc.

2013-04-05 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 06:49:25PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: I'd seen comments on the kernel list about bc being required in 3.9, and then forgotten about them (on my desktops I have it anyway, for xscreensaver). It gets used for kernel/timeconst.h https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2143611

Re: [lfs-dev] Bug in 7.3 book - kbd and locales

2013-04-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:34:35PM -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: I didn't see this mentioned in errata so I don't know if it has been noted yet or not. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter06/kbd.html The instructions have ./configure --prefix=/usr --datadir=/lib/kbd \

Re: [lfs-dev] Bug in 7.3 book - kbd and locales

2013-04-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 03:29:23PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: The problem is that the location of the locale files ends up being embedded in the executable. bindtextdomain(PACKAGE_NAME, LOCALEDIR); Where src/nls.h has #ifndef LOCALEDIR #define LOCALEDIR /usr/share/locale #endif

Re: [lfs-dev] Bug in 7.3 book - kbd and locales

2013-04-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 03:57:28PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I've already tried a DESTDIR install and it seems to work there. I'm not sure we need the --datadir entry at all. Mounts are done before any kbd programs are called, so having the support files in /usr shouldn't be a problem.

Re: [lfs-dev] Bug in 7.3 book - kbd and locales

2013-04-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 01:17:36PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: With the exception of vi_VN and zh_CN those all render in my console with my LatGrkCyr font. Vietnamese can work, but you won't get much else except english from a screen font that handles it. I suspect

[lfs-dev] gmp ABI=32

2013-08-12 Thread Ken Moffat
Please treat this with the proverbial pinch of salt - my buildscripts can't build bison-3.0 on either x86_64 or i686, so it is possible that something in them is also breaking this. But ... Trying to build i686 svn (from LFS-7.2) on a machine capable of 64-bits, gmp failed with ABI=32:

Re: [lfs-dev] gmp ABI=32

2013-08-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 07:25:01PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Please treat this with the proverbial pinch of salt - my buildscripts can't build bison-3.0 on either x86_64 or i686, so it is possible that something in them is also breaking this. But ... Trying

Re: [lfs-dev] gmp ABI=32

2013-08-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 01:38:19AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 07:25:01PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: This is quite odd. I assume you are using bash. The man page clearly says: SHELL GRAMMAR Simple Commands A simple command is a sequence of optional

Re: [lfs-dev] gmp ABI=32

2013-08-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 08:05:26PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: I'll also note that most of my non-LFS linux experience is with the kernel. So, I know that documentation is not to be trusted. Maybe the bash version/patch we are using doesn't match the manpage

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 09:31:23PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: bdu...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Package LFS Upstream Flag glibc 2.17 2.18 * perl5.18.0 5.18.1 * Two relatively important packages just changed. Looking at the change

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 07:46:25PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 09:31:23PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: bdu...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Package LFS Upstream Flag glibc 2.17 2.18 * perl5.18.0 5.18.1 * Two

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 03:00:13PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: 107-flex:Test test-bison-yylloc FAILED. See test-bison-yylloc/OUTPUT for details. 107-flex:Test test-bison-yylval FAILED. See test-bison-yylval/OUTPUT for details. [...] 093-bison:make[4]: ***

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 09:31:15PM +0100, Matt Burgess wrote: On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 15:00 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: 086-util-linux:make[1]: make[4]: *** [check] Error 2*** [check-local-tests] Terminated Ah, good. I just hit that one in last night's build. It's in misc/fallocate. I

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Freeze and some discussion

2013-08-15 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:06:45AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'd like to do a package freeze today in preparation for LFS-7.4. Right now I'm not sure whether to to generate a rc1 or not. There are several tests that fail that we may want to 1) Note, 2) Patch, or 3) Ignore. Below is my

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Freeze and some discussion

2013-08-15 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 04:00:01PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: bison. 1 failure. CXX examples/calc++/examples_calc___calc__-calc++-scanner.o g++: error: ./examples/calc++/calc++-scanner.cc: No such file or directory g++: fatal error: no input files compilation

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Freeze and some discussion

2013-08-15 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 05:43:37PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: This worked for me. I deleted bison, lex, and flex from /usr/bin and then built flex: sed -i -e '/test-bison/d' tests/Makefile.in ./configure --prefix=/usr \ --docdir=/usr/share/doc/flex-2.5.37 make make check

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-17 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 08:39:57PM +0100, Matt Burgess wrote: On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 15:00 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: 103-automake:FAIL: t/primary-prefix-invalid-couples.tap 280 - ... and with the same diagnostic of 'automake -a' 103-automake:# FAIL: 1 I've just hit this one again. It

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 03:22:07AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 08:39:57PM +0100, Matt Burgess wrote: On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 15:00 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: 103-automake:FAIL: t/primary-prefix-invalid-couples.tap 280 - ... and with the same diagnostic of 'automake

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 02:03:37PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: The recommendation is because it takes too much time (over an hour on my system) and the tests are pretty much valueless. I agree that, other than time, they cause no harm. As a developer, I do run them (so users don't need

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Package Currency Check - 2013-08-13

2013-08-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 06:56:35PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: My system is a 3 GHz core2duo, but I always do the timing for the books in a single thread for consistency and for the log to be coherent. Most builds are in the 1 SBU range or less, but there are some really long ones too.

[lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-19 Thread Ken Moffat
I'm about to do an almost [1] by the book build (-j1, keep static libs until the end of chapter 6 which should at least make more of the ld tests pass) so I rebuild my kernel to add CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG=y. Disaster : /dev/sda showed up with no partitions, all my partitions previously on /dev/sda

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 05:14:03PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: I'm about to do an almost [1] by the book build (-j1, keep static libs until the end of chapter 6 which should at least make more of the ld tests pass) so I rebuild my kernel to add CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG=y

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 05:14:03PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: I'm about to do an almost [1] by the book build (-j1, keep static libs until the end of chapter 6 which should at least make more of the ld tests pass) so I rebuild my kernel to add CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG=y

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:09:43PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: The non-regression tests show all 0 tests passed. Of the regression tests, all 113 are shown as passing, but of those many have IGNORE (not root permissions) and mcookie reported 'cannot open /etc/services: No such file

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 04:39:10PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: So, I think I need to reconfigure util-linux to run the root tests. But I'm not quite sure what that will gain, and this build is heading towards 'production' status (building xorg-server at the moment). No, seriously, I think

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:10:45AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: I see you updated util-linux a little while ago. I'm now in xorg, running the tests as a regular user: bash tests/run.sh --srcdir=$PWD --builddir=$PWD sudo bash tests/run.sh --srcdir=$PWD --builddir=$PWD

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 02:35:35PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Enable cramfs in the kernel. Also minixfs. Make mtab a file. rm /etc/mtab touch /etc/mtab) The minix test(s) skip without reporting a failure. Umm, we changed mtab from a file to a symlink some time after

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:49:33PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 02:35:35PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Enable cramfs in the kernel. Also minixfs. Make mtab a file. rm /etc/mtab touch /etc/mtab) The minix test(s) skip without

Re: [lfs-dev] CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG and util-linux testsuite

2013-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 06:01:39PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: I've now got to the end of chroot on my i686 system where SCSI_DEBUG is NOT set. And I wondered why my initial backup was taking so long. I'd left the util-linux directory around after my previous fun and games on x86_64. Turns

[lfs-dev] Test failures in LFS-7.4-rc on i686

2013-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
I had a bit of time to look at my logs while the initial backup was running, plus a build failure when one of the tests failed unexpectedly, so I've made a note of everything that failed (this is with a patch for automake, so that didn't fail for me. This was a by the book build in as much as I

Re: [lfs-dev] Test failures in LFS-7.4-rc on i686

2013-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 06:01:49PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: My result is identical. I think it's internal to the math co-processor hw. I've seen this for years. Noted in the book. OK, I was on a series of ttys while I looked at the logs and I didn't bother to look

Re: [lfs-dev] Test failures in LFS-7.4-rc on i686

2013-08-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 01:13:45AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 06:01:49PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: 4. inetutils - Failed at pinging ::1. Do you have IPv6 enabled in the running kernel? Not sure. I'll need to check and compare what

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-7.4-rc building itself.

2013-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: Successful build and boot [1] on x86_64. Differences between the first and second builds were Matt's patches for automake and texinfo, and now 3.10.9 headers. No new test failures. 1. I used rpcbind-0.2.1 in the new build

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-7.4-rc building itself.

2013-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:32:33AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: Successful build and boot [1] on x86_64. Differences between the first and second builds were Matt's patches for automake and texinfo, and now

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-7.4-rc building itself.

2013-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 05:41:43PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:32:33AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: It's hard for me to believe that we are the first ones seeing that. I'll take a look at it on my system to see if there is something different. Probably later

Re: [blfs-dev] strace

2013-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:54:22AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:32:15PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 04:10:58PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: I also built strace-4.8 fine against linux-3.10, but did so under uClibc. I think

[lfs-dev] Odd 'man' perms in my -rc

2013-08-30 Thread Ken Moffat
I'm just rebuilding my current desktop on -rc2. Got to the end of my xorg script and couldn't remember which git command uses tcl (which I build straight after xorg). It's gitk, but 'man git' (or man anything) didn't work for a regular user - instead it listed the manpage it couldn't open.

Re: [lfs-dev] Odd 'man' perms in my -rc

2013-08-31 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:20:29PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: (which I build straight after xorg). It's gitk, but 'man git' (or man anything) didn't work for a regular user - instead it listed the manpage it couldn't open. Something in my build had set /usr/share/man

Re: [lfs-dev] Odd 'man' perms in my -rc

2013-08-31 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:31:37PM -0500, William Harrington wrote: On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Igor Živković wrote: The culprit is git-manpages-1.8.4. I've just noticed it on my newest build. I've also noticed that LFS doesn't install tar man page. :-) Hmm I recently installed

Re: [lfs-dev] Odd 'man' perms in my -rc

2013-08-31 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 03:47:53PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: Sorry, this is becoming O/T for LFS itself. Thanks for that confirmation. I don't install reiser, and I hadn't installed raptor at that point, Don't want to return to the rc1 system on this box at the moment (just started

Re: [lfs-dev] Bug in binutils-2.23.2

2013-09-01 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 06:23:47PM +0200, Klemen Košir wrote: I followed the instructions, but I set several environment variables: MAKEFLAGS=-j 4 CFLAGS=-march=corei7 -Os -pipe CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} For some time, -Os has been deprecated in kernel builds. It got introduced there with the

Re: [lfs-dev] Update to docbook stylesheets

2013-10-10 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 09:45:49PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: [ rude words : someone didn't log 3.11.4 in the Changelog - I'm building with 3.11.1 headers, but I doubt that will make any real difference to anything ] It looks like it's in the change log dated 2013-10

Re: [lfs-dev] util-linux v2.24-rc2

2013-10-11 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:55:34PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: util-linux v2.24-rc2 was released today and I've been testing it. It builds quite cleanly, but I have a problem with a couple of tests. The two tests for the 'last' command want to use the DNS resolver that is not available in

Re: [lfs-dev] make-4.0 checks

2013-10-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:04:19AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Matthew Burgess wrote: On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:41:52 -0500, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: I just ran jhalfs against the latest files and had one anomaly in the new make-4.0 checks: functions/file

Re: [lfs-dev] umount as an unprivileged user (util-linux2.23.2, LFS-7.4)

2013-11-17 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:16:37PM +0100, Thomas Trepl wrote: Hmmm, here is what i get on a VIA-C3: lfs@io:~$ mount /mnt/pub lfs@io:~$ umount /mnt/pub umount.nfs: You are not permitted to unmount /mnt/pub lfs@io:~$ uname -a Linux io 3.11.6-LFS #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Nov 4 03:30:14 CET 2013

Re: [blfs-dev] A few things I have found with subversion

2013-11-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:16:10AM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Bottom line -- jsut use what you have. Sometimes a short description is useful like (all dependencies) or (with[out] tests). Another comment on the SBU measurements : for a long time, I've been repeating the SBU calculation when

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd discussions

2013-12-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 09:06:17PM +, Kevin Lyda wrote: Dear children, I for one would appreciate it if the discussions about systemd would be solely about the technical issues and not a contest to see who can be the biggest prat. With much love and affection, Kevin That wouldn't

Re: [lfs-dev] Preparing Virtual File Systems

2013-12-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 10:11:06AM -0800, Bryan Kadzban wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 05:56:37PM +0100, Armin K. wrote: In latest lfs book, the Preparing Virtual File Systems page contains: 6.2.1. Creating Initial Device Nodes When the kernel boots the system, it requires the

[blfs-dev] Tex (#4647)

2014-02-04 Thread Ken Moffat
This ticket lists a whole lot of changes to how we build Tex from source. I took it, because I don't (in general) like packages which use their own static versions of system libs. But I now see that the following are external references: GD, t1lib, ZZIPlib, TECkit, Graphite, and also CLISP (not

[lfs-dev] /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5

2014-02-07 Thread Ken Moffat
I'm looking at the things which the TeX Live binary installer links to on a 7.4 system. Mostly, all is fine (LFS libs, and X-related libs), but for asy [ asymptote ] and xindy.run, ldd reported that libncurses.so.5 was not found. It seems eminently possible that this problem is mine, all mine

Re: [lfs-dev] /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5

2014-02-07 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 03:06:52PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: In Chapter 6 we have: Note The instructions above don't create non-wide-character Ncurses libraries since no package installed by compiling from sources would link against them at runtime. If you must have such libraries

Re: [lfs-dev] /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5

2014-02-08 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:16:16PM -0800, Bryan Kadzban wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 03:06:52PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: BTW, without the above, we do have /usr/lib/libncurses.a. Shouldn't shouldn't that be picked up? You should know me

[lfs-dev] Failure setting LC_ALL in chroot ?

2014-02-12 Thread Ken Moffat
Testing last week's -svn (everything except glibc-2.19 : if _that_ causes problems, I'd like to correctly attribute the blame). Got a test failure in man-db : root in chroot /# cat /building/man-db-2.6.6/src/tests/test-suite.log man-db 2.6.6:

Re: [lfs-dev] Failure setting LC_ALL in chroot ?

2014-02-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:00:52PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: Will use make -k check in my build, and carry on. In fact, 'make check || true' was what I needed. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http

[lfs-dev] /var/cache/man

2014-02-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On my desktops, I use a script to run updatedb, followed by mandb, every day or so. This runs from root's fcrontab, so it is one of the first things to get run on a new system. Last night it failed with a message that it could not write to /var/cache/man/something/else - no such file or

Re: [lfs-dev] /var/cache/man

2014-02-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 04:07:55PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: mandb seems to work here if /var/cache/man directory is not present. Yes, that works for me too. mandb creates the directory if it does not already exist, but, of course, you need to run mandb as root. --

Re: [lfs-dev] FHS Update

2014-02-15 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:52:58AM +0100, Armin K. wrote: On 02/15/2014 11:29 PM, Armin K. wrote: On 02/15/2014 06:23 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: After akhiezer's thorough review of the FHS changes, I've narrowed things down to the following. The numbers refer to the version control patch

Re: [lfs-dev] Are we ready for LFS-7.5?

2014-02-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 01:15:10PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: So the questions is whether we should release 7.5 tomorrow or not. We could wait for BLFS, but I'm not sure that's really necessary. As far as I am concerned, LFS -rc1 seems fine : but I've only built it on x86_64 desktops (two

Re: [lfs-dev] linux-3.13.5

2014-03-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 05:47:36PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken, You mentioned a problem with linux-3.13.5. Can you explain your issues with that version? -- Bruce Ah! I've just put a short summary in my reply to you re libexecdir on blfs-dev. Here's a MUCH fuller one: I built 7.5

Re: [lfs-dev] linux-3.13.5

2014-03-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 10:53:38PM -0800, Bryan Kadzban wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: So I guess this is a long way of saying -- are you sure the rm userspace code is what was hung, and not something in the kernel? Might be a prevalence of cosmic rays I suppose, or it might be a memory

Re: [blfs-dev] Upcoming BLFS-7.5 release

2014-03-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 09:56:43PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Too late, I've put it as an option for peopl using LFS before 7.5. I saw that. It's ok. We may want to remove later though. Should be easy enough to grep for, when the time comes. I'm always conscious

Re: [lfs-dev] udev, eudev, mdev

2014-03-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 11:37:32AM -0600, William Harrington wrote: On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: eudev wants gperf and gtk-doc. We could add gperf to LFS and probably do away with both gperf and the gudev build in BLFS. gtk-doc needs several other prerequisites and

Re: [lfs-dev] eudev has replaced systemd in LFS

2014-03-07 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 12:09:35PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: xinglp wrote: And most importantly, /dev/disk was not created. I got it, eudev should be after util-linux, for libblkid It's not picking up util-linux from Chapter 5? If not, we'll need to adjust some flags. --

Re: [blfs-dev] Package stats

2014-03-07 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 06:22:52PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: It is clear that my rebuild of the docs was very different from Fernando's. At the moment I'm concentrating on rebuilding everything in chroot, just in case there is any breakage from accidental change in gnutls. My first attempt

[lfs-dev] headers_check : should we drop it ?

2014-03-09 Thread Ken Moffat
I've just noticed that someone on CLFS ran 'make headers_check' and feared that the usual error reports (from kexec.h and soundcard.h) about userspace cannot reference function or variable defined in the kernel were errors. In theory, running make headers_check allows _kernel_ devs to check

Re: [lfs-dev] [blfs-dev] LFS and Git]

2014-03-09 Thread Ken Moffat
- Forwarded message from Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com - #?^€^ ! I managed to send the reply to blfs instead of lfs. On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:16:42PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Merging is generally not needed by me, but that may be the reason Armin wants to move to git. I

Re: [lfs-dev] [blfs-dev] LFS and Git]

2014-03-09 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 11:06:42PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: The great benefit of git is in branches - in svn, a branch is cast in stone and is a PITA. In git, branches are just pointers. If you want to maintain a stable branch, you can cherry-pick specific commits

Re: [lfs-dev] Proposal: Firmware instructions

2014-03-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 01:49:54AM +0100, Armin K. wrote: I have noticed that we don't seem to cover firmware installation anywhere in LFS. The trick is that some modern network cards and most wireless ones require firmware to function. Radeon cards also require firmware (most of them does

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