On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
>
> nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
> hours generating tremendous hangovers :)
"sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately
were standing between two benches, landing on the gro
Dave Cross wrote:
> I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
>
> Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.
Umm. Ok.
Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.
Talk over.
Or am I missing something?
From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:17 AM
> Dave Cross wrote:
>
> > I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
> >
> > Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.
>
> Umm. Ok.
>
> Somebody give me the design
* at 10/04 09:15 +0100 Greg McCarroll said:
> * Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
> > >
> > > nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
> > > hours generating tremendous hangovers :)
> >
> > "si
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
> A lot of you write and distribute free perl code. What do you do about
> copyright and disclaimers in the code itself. I've had a look at a few
> examples and it seems you don't really bother.
>
> I think it is probably worth doing, and we will need one
From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:10 PM
> A lot of you write and distribute free perl code. What do you do about
> copyright and disclaimers in the code itself. I've had a look at a few
> examples and it seems you don't really bother.
>
> I think it is probab
dcross - David Cross wrote:
> Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
And yea it shall be so.
Or something.
> You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9
> Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking
> it up from Sussex?
Normally I would but i'm buried under the New York contingent for the
next few weeks so can't really go anywhere.
Red
> >
> > > might be nice to have status reports from:
> > >
> > > * The t-shirt committee
> >
What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I
think.
/Robert
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:59:20AM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
> > A lot of you write and distribute free perl code. What do you do about
> > copyright and disclaimers in the code itself. I've had a look at a few
> > examples and it seems you don't really
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:58:41AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> Anything I release always has the following copyright and I think that a
> number of module and script authors use a very similar form of words out of
> respect for Larry.
>
> Dave...
>
> Copyright (C) 2000, Magnum Solution
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
Can we all join in?
:)
MBM
--
Matthew Byng-Maddick
Aaron Trevena sent the following bits through the ether:
> I habitually use the GPL, I have only recently realised how much of a pig
> it can be to keep a derived work compliant.
Yup, that's why I like it so much. *This week* I'm a fan of the GPL,
and how it keeps the community going. [insert ra
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:59:20AM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> I habitually use the GPL, I have only recently realised how much of a pig
> it can be to keep a derived work compliant. It will now take as long to
> audit the changes made to mny derived work of mwforum as it did to do some
> of th
From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:19 AM
> > > might be nice to have status reports from:
> > >
> > * The t-shirt committee
>
> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between on
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> > I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> > doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowar
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:05:51AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
> > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
>
> I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
>
> And yea it shall be so.
jo walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
> > but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
> > forward.
>
> i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with
> Tangram', or something
From: "David Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 10 April 2001 10:40
Subject: Re: Disclaimer
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:58:41AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
> > Anything I release always has the following copyright and I think that a
> > number of module and scr
Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Chris Devers wrote:
>
> > At 08:22 AM 9.4.2001 +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > >personally the ultimate task of any minimise/restore function should be
> > >to get a window on or off the dispaly as fast as possible ... slowly
> >
Neil Ford wrote:
> Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
> combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?
Got em, cheers.
dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether:
> Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
Righto, I'd like to do talks on the following subjects:
o Creating an optimising compiler and interpreter for a toy language
o More Graphing Perl (cra
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:04:07AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
> combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?
I forwarded it to him, along with the designs that Paul did.
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > > I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> > > doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> > Can we all
On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
>
>There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
>them :)
>
>Are the designs on the web anywhere?
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
> 1. I want anything I write to be free for others to use and generally bugger
> about with.
> 2. I don't want anyone to be allowed to sell my code, or to sell anything
> closely derived from it.
In that case, don't go for a BSD-style
I have uploaded AutoDIAL to my site where it can now be downloaed.
It creates UML class diagrams showing relationshiops, methods, attributes,
etc for a bunch of scripts/modules and lays them out ready for autodial to
use, although I think the relationship line plotting is a little
broken.
It r
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
> longer talks.
I'd like to give a (preferably "longer") talk about parsing and
semantic transformation of Perl code. I promise to think of a
less scar
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> and it can be found at http://droogs.org/autodial/
The download link is b0rked though
/J\
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
>
> > and it can be found at http://droogs.org/autodial/
>
> The download link is b0rked though
>
fixed
A.
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Hi All
Question for the list, i'm currently writing some scripts for a HP box
running HPUX 11 and i keep hitting the same error when ever i try and use
something (even 'use strict;'.) The error is "syntax error in file p2.pl
at line 2, next 2 tokens "use strict" ". The file is a noddy scri
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:11:07PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> Hi All
> Question for the list, i'm currently writing some scripts for a HP box
> running HPUX 11 and i keep hitting the same error when ever i try and use
> something (even 'use strict;'.) The error is "syntax error in file p2.pl
> at
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Dean wrote:
> Question for the list, i'm currently writing some scripts for a HP box
> running HPUX 11 and i keep hitting the same error when ever i try and use
> something (even 'use strict;'.) The error is "syntax error in file p2.pl
> at line 2, next 2 tokens "use str
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:13:59PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> /usr/contrib/bin/perl -V
> To find out what version it is and post back.
DOH! Its running 4.0.1.8
Should have spotted that... Next time you get told the dev box is a copy of
the producing box don't believe them :)
Thanks
From: "Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi All
> Question for the list, i'm currently writing some scripts for a HP box
> running HPUX 11 and i keep hitting the same error when ever i try and use
Last time I used the default perl on HP-UX, it turned out to be perl 4. You
may need a more recent distrib
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:17:55PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:13:59PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > /usr/contrib/bin/perl -V
>
> > To find out what version it is and post back.
>
> DOH! Its running 4.0.1.8
>
> Should have spotted that... Next time you get told the
From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:28 AM
> From: "David Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:58:41AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> >
> > > Anything I release always has the following copyright and I
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
[broken quoting snipped]
> You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright
> message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your
> point 2.
The GPL doesn't stop you selling the derived work. What it *doe
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> [broken quoting snipped]
> > You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright
> > message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your
> > point 2.
>
>
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:31:11PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical
> > meeting
> > > on Thursday 19th April. I
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > [broken quoting snipped]
> > > You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright
> > > message as it includes the Artisitc Lice
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:29:56PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> my current plan of attack is probably 2 lucent/orinoco wavelan 128/RC4
> cards .. one in the laptop .. one in the border router machine on an ISA
> adaptor .. one guy I spoke to reckoned it would work .. another reckoned
> I was a
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:11:07PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> Question for the list, i'm currently writing some scripts for a HP box
> running HPUX 11 and i keep hitting the same error when ever i try and use
> something (even 'use strict;'.) The error is "syntax error in file p2.pl
> at line 2, next 2
From: "dcross - David Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright
> message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your
> point 2.
I think therefore GPL will be good. People can sell my code, but as I will
be giving
> From: Neil Ford [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> The perl script to do stuff with wireless scanning and GPS
> had me salivating :-) Time to buy an eTrek I think.
Where was GPS mentioned? I had a good hunt round (by myself and with the
assistance of the Altavista host: search parameter) but couldn't f
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:36:31PM +0100, Andrew Bowman wrote:
> > From: Neil Ford [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > The perl script to do stuff with wireless scanning and GPS
> > had me salivating :-) Time to buy an eTrek I think.
>
> Where was GPS mentioned? I had a good hunt round (by myself
... is on its way to CPAN. If you're desperate for it, you can also snarf
it from http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/Tie-Scalar-Decay-1.0.tar.gz.
It was inspired by Marcel's Tie::Scalar::Timeout. By default, it simulates
radioactive decay with a fairly arbitrary half-life of five seconds. Y
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> ... is on its way to CPAN. If you're desperate for it, you can also snarf
> it from http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/Tie-Scalar-Decay-1.0.tar.gz.
>
> It was inspired by Marcel's Tie::Scalar::Timeout. By default, it simulates
> radioactive decay
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > ... is on its way to CPAN. If you're desperate for it, you can also snarf
> > it from http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/Tie-Scalar-Decay-1.0.tar.gz.
> shurely Tie::Arra
Forwarded, in case anyone here is interested. I'd love to have 'em myself,
but don't have room.
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** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your m
I'm trying to install the Tk module on a Win32 system (I realise this is
where my mistake lies, however, leaving that aside...). The docs say to:
perl Makefile.PL
nmake
nmake test
nmake install_perl
Which seems to presume the presence of nmake as part of either an MS C or
Borland C compiler set
The activestate ppm files are best for this sort of thing.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:45:40PM +0100, Andrew Bowman wrote:
> I'm trying to install the Tk module on a Win32 system (I realise this is
> where my mistake lies, however, leaving that aside...). The docs say to:
>
> perl Makefile.PL
>
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:45:40PM +0100, Andrew Bowman wrote:
> I'm trying to install the Tk module on a Win32 system (I realise this is
> where my mistake lies, however, leaving that aside...). The docs say to:
If you don't really need to compile it yourself how's about:
ppm install Tk?
> From: Dean [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> If you don't really need to compile it yourself how's about:
> ppm install Tk?
Good idea - I can see PPM being useful if I have to persist with Win32
stuff!
Thanks for the pointer James & Dean.
Andrew.
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> Better late than never, check out
> http://www.live.com/wireless/unix-base-station.html
> which looks like exactly what you want to achieve.
>
> Got this link from the Bay Area Wireless User Group pages
> (http://www.bawug.org) which also look like quite a coo
On Mon Apr 9 13:09:31 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
> A lot of you write and distribute free perl code. What do you do about
> copyright and disclaimers in the code itself. I've had a look at a few
> examples and it seems you don't really bother.
>
> I think it is probably worth doing, and we will
From: "Andrew Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: Dean [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > If you don't really need to compile it yourself how's about:
> > ppm install Tk?
>
> Good idea - I can see PPM being useful if I have to persist with Win32
> stuff!
>
Also, if you have any firewall problems, or
On Tue Apr 10 11:27:48 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
> 1. I want anything I write to be free for others to use and generally bugger
> about with.
> 2. I don't want anyone to be allowed to sell my code, or to sell anything
> closely derived from it.
Then you cannot use GPL, Artistic, BSD, or any free
> From: Robert Shiels [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Also, if you have any firewall problems, or a fast link at work and a
> slow dialup at home
Thanks again - I got it installed okay (no firewall probs). The laughable
thing is that I have a fast link at home[1] and a slow ISDN at work (soon to
be up
On Tue 10 Apr, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> and .. should I ever find any of the Lucent/Orinoco/Agere Wavelan cards
> I'll buy them in a Flash(tm) .. neither freebsd services or your mates in
> Norwich have any .. infact no one does :( ...
http://www.expansys.com/category.asp?cat=WIREL claim delivery
On Tue Apr 10 13:59:15 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> No. You cannot sell the source and binaries seperately.
Yes you can. If you do, you must sell the source at cost price.
--
Marty
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On Tue Apr 10 15:51:21 2001, Rob Partington wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > ... is on its way to CPAN. If you're desperate for it, you can also snarf
> > > it from http://www.cantrell.org.u
David Cantrell [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>do perl -v to find out what version you have. If use of use is causing
*>problems then you may have a (fear) perl4 there. If that's the case,
*>kill someone slowly and painfully.
http://cpan.valueclick.com/ports/#hpux
There is also a 5.something v
On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
>
>There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
>them :)
>
>Are the designs on the web anywhere?
From: "Andrew Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm trying to install the Tk module on a Win32 system (I realise this is
> where my mistake lies, however, leaving that aside...). The docs say to:
>
> perl Makefile.PL
> nmake
> nmake test
> nmake install_perl
here's one I tried earlier :)
Installin
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> On Tue 10 Apr, Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> > and .. should I ever find any of the Lucent/Orinoco/Agere Wavelan cards
> > I'll buy them in a Flash(tm) .. neither freebsd services or your mates in
> > Norwich have any .. infact no one does :( ...
>
> http://www.expa
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 03:51:21PM +0100, Rob Partington wrote:
> Didn't Tony from Blackstar do this already?
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:33:40 +
> From: Tony Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: RFC: Tie::Scalar::Timeout
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTEC
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:41:51PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> Whilst I thought that a radioactive-style decay was a suitable default,
> for the app I wrote it for, a simple decrement every time period was
> more appropriate.
Cool Uses For Technology #497: Hmm, triggered on first access would
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> The simplist would be
> # Name - brief description. (c) Copyright 2001 A Nother #
> # This is free software available under the same license as perl itself
> # This sofwate comes with NO WARRANTY. For more information see URL or
> FILE.
> The NO WARRAN
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