From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:51 AM
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:20:37AM +0100, Steve Purkis wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
Seriously, I agree 100% that you should strive to seperate application
from your presentation as much as possible, but
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:33 AM
Dave Cross wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland
at the moment
That's just down the road in
Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement...
I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on
the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and
install server/gateway system that manages mail, firewalling,
file-sharing,
From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:25 AM
Sorry to go off topic...
I was wondering what the pro's and con's are of using XML to structure
ASCII
based data files.
What are peoples experience of using XML - particularly where you may have
to trawl
I see that registration for YAPC::Europe has opened.
http://www.yapc.org/Europe/registration.html
They've also accepted both my Perl for the People and Creating Data
Output Files Using the Template Toolkit talks :)
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Once an idea gets into my head, the only way to shake it off is to go away
and write it :)
Dave...
package Tie::Hash::Cannabinol;
use strict;
use vars qw($VERSION @ISA @EXPORT @EXPORT_OK);
require Exporter;
require Tie::Hash;
@ISA = qw(Exporter Tie::StdHash);
@EXPORT = qw();
@EXPORT_OK =();
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 10:43 AM
[there are actually no spoliers left in this post so I'm removing the
spoiler space]
i'm a little worried that the next season will suck.
lets wait and see if the warning signs are there, more
weird settings i.e.
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 3:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TPC Travel
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether:
I booked my TPC flights yesterday. If anyone fancies joining me, the
flight details are:
Hey, groovy
Another gem from Perlmonks. I'm thinking I should post this one to the
Cookwood board :)
http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=84638
From the POD:
=head1 DESCRIPTION
Inline::PERL gives you the power of the PERL programming language from
within your Perl programs. This gives you instant
You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and
a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you
don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :)
Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
could
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:04 AM
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.
Can't we just go to
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM
i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as
it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-),
and we all know what results are important on thursday night -
thats right the
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:10 PM
blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make
the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001
now what do people want to do? go to hastings and return the
same day? stay over?
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM
(Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays?
I'd buy that for a dollar.)
Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday
on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic
From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:46 PM
There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?
The New Labour version
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM
Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[The Red Flag]
I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed
to
the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.
Hmm... how the hell do
From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:31 PM
London PM have two meetings this month, the usual social meeting and a
technical meeting. The social meeting is on 7th June 2001 from about 6:30.
The location has not been confirmed yet so keep an eye on the web site.
The
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:28 PM
On 01/06/2001 at 13:16 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist
holiday
on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day
wasn't
From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:56 PM
[The Red Flag]
There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn
on BB's mini-album The Internationale.
If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play
it to you.
Have
I got a catalogue mailed to me from ORA UK yesterday. Nothing unusual in
that, I'm always getting catalogues in the post from O'Reilly.
This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source
Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on
October 22 - 25.
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM
Cross David - dcross wrote:
[1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted
with
Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness.
[2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:32 PM
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM
Cross David - dcross wrote:
[1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those
From: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:33 AM
Dear All
This is not perl related, but I hope to tap your collective knowledge.
I'm involved with taking on a project started (and nearly finished) by
an Agency writen mostly in PHP and Delphi. No statements that I'm
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM
Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate
Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river
called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at
home.
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:16 AM
Cross David - dcross wrote:
I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to
organise a recce for next month.
Tonight? But it's Wednesday the 30th today.
/me gets confused
Er... Ok
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:15 AM
Cross David - dcross wrote:
pedant
That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain
the
name.
/pedant
c.f previous mail
The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize
Social Meeting: Thursday 7th June
Unless anyone comes up with a better idea in the next 24 hours, we'll go to
the Penderels Oak for this.
Technical Meeting: Thursday 21st June
Need a venue for this please people. And speakers. If any speakers want to
practise TPC or YAPC::E talks, then this
From: Simon Cozens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:02 PM
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
my @array = $h{two};
^
In perl 5 at least, *this* is your scalar context.
Good point. But even if I change it to:
my @array
I was just looking thru CPAN (and, yes, I realise I should have done that
_before_ writing T::H::R[1]) and I found a module called Tie::RegexpHash.
Having looked at it in some detail, I see it's doing the opposite of T::H::R
and I think that's quite interesting.
In T::H::R, the keys are always
It's a slow day :) http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83309
And you might enjoy this challenge:
http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83316
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From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:05 AM
Wow, and she's got three kids by Steven Seagal.
The eighties were a crazy decade and people did a lot of things they
regret.
I know I did :)
Well, would *you* say no to Steven Seagal?
I strongly suspect I'd
Apologies for dragging us off-topic again...
Am I missing something obvious here?
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
package Tie::Hash::Test;
use Tie::Hash;
use vars qw(@ISA);
@ISA = 'Tie::StdHash';
sub FETCH {
print wantarray is , wantarray ? true\n : false\n;
return $_[0]-{$_[1]};
}
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:07 PM
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Well, would *you* say no to Steven Seagal?
I strongly suspect I'd say no to having his kids!
but he can also cook!
Can he? I wouldn't know. I know nothing
[snip]
An update -
Calling FETCH like this:
$scalar = tied(%h)-FETCH('one');
@array = tied(%h)-FETCH('two');
Does the 'right' thing. So it's certainly something in the tie interface.
Dave...
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From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:57 PM
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
package Tie::Hash::Test;
sub FETCH {
print wantarray is , wantarray ? true\n : false\n;
return $_[0]-{$_[1]};
}
package main
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:43 AM
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether:
This, of course, presupposes that acmemail passes everyone's
definition of a decent mail client. And if it doesn't, we can just
slap the authors
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:03 PM
According to the Register ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html
the Tory's want to repeal IR35,
I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means
font size=bloody huge
From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:58 AM
From: robert shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
According to a recent survey, men say the first thing they notice about
a women are their eyes. And women say the first thing they notice about
men are: they're a bunch of liars.
OK. The first response I got were from Paul Makepiece, Peter Haworth, and
Leon. So that's the team. Simon was next - so he's the substitute (we'll use
him if Leon gets stolen by Amsterdam.pm again).
I'll go and register us now.
If anyone else wants to play, there's nothing to stop you entering
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 11:04 AM
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
He was touring with Norman Lovett, who wasn't nearly as good.
I found Norman Lovett really funny. Managed to keep the whole audience
laughing without actually saying anything for a few
I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's
Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.
This is our big chance to get revenge for the injustices of last year.
Dave...
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From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:24 AM
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon
Orwant's
Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.
Does it have questions on Buffy and drinking
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:57 AM
Robin Szemeti wrote:
http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
Yum. Pricey, though.
Oh, I don't know. It's not _that_ expensive. I may have another look just
before it closes tomorrow morning. If it's
From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:29 AM
Dave,
Loved the footnote on page 78.
Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
london.pm technical meeting some months ago :)
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From: Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 PM
At 03:22 PM 2001.05.16 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
That's not argument, it's just contradiction!
Ahh, you must be looking for a different forum then.
Try Castro's site. ;)
Sorry, this is 'senseless abuse'.
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From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:49 PM
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:35:44PM +0100, Natalie Ford wrote:
At 09:58 14/05/01, James Powell wrote:
The Perl Journal arrived this morning...
Mine too! You read Dave's article and the credits at the end of
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
However what i'd really hate is any restrictions placed
on the topics of London.pm , politics should be just as
welcome as BtVS.
Or, even, Perl :)
Dave...
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From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:23 PM
I was just wondering, have the secret T-shirt designs been sent off to the
printers yet ? The reason I ask is that I'd really like one of them to be
Hitch-Hiker related; or maybe we could have a special run of ZZ9
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:41 AM
At 17:58 13/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
At 17:38 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
Which intelligent people who understood it would that be, then?
Take a look around you. This list, being representative of the Perl
From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:08 PM
There are some contractors here, I understand, who might have something
to say about government policy on taxation.
Heh. Can you be a contractor and hold on to your left-wing principles? Let's
see...
Whilst I'd seem to
Sorry to drag us back on topic, but I thought you might like to tsee this
which I just knocked up for someone on perlmonks.
package Tie::Hash::Regex;
use strict;
use vars qw($VERSION @ISA @EXPORT @EXPORT_OK);
require Exporter;
require Tie::Hash;
@ISA = qw(Exporter Tie::StdHash);
@EXPORT =
Mentioned this in passing to Piers and Leon last night and they seemed
interested enough to justify posting it here. It's not mine :)
#!/usr/bin/perl -w # how to (ab)use substr
use strict;
my $pi='3.14159210535152623346475240375062163750446240333543375062';
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:22 AM
is a venue decided on for tonights meeting, or is it still TBA?
Yeah. Sorry. General crapness on the part of the webmaster :(
We'll be meeting in the Penderels Oak tonight from about 6:30pm.
I'll have a copy of
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:18 AM
[evildave's cv]
I've put plain-text and HTML versions up as well now. Bow down before
the awesome power of TeX!
Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some other
format (like, perhaps, XML)?
From: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:25 AM
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:16:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w # how to (ab)use substr
use strict;
my $pi
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:57 AM
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:22:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some
other
format (like, perhaps, XML)? I'd be interested in seeing
Interesting stuff...
http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/05/04/xp_intro.html
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From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:22 AM
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 11:20:36AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
2) Get Willow. Dammit.
I'll see what they cost. It might be prohibitively expensive to get
anyone who's cute.
Get Willow then ;)
/me slaps Dean.
From: Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:55 PM
On the subject of music (despite the Subject: of movies) ... anyone
here into trad. Irish instrumental music?
Well, I prefer stuff with lyrics, but enjoy almost any kind of Irish (and
English) folk music.
What
From: David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:22 PM
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 03:02:52PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Simon, if you are going to reveal next week's Buffy episode at least
put SPOILER in the subject ;-)
Oh, you people would just *love* to know what
From: Andrew Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:18 PM
From: Struan Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 08 May 2001 13:08
* at 08/05 13:04 +0100 Matthew Jones said:
Wisty - next T-shirt please:
use strict
is gay
Heh. On the back -w is jolly?
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:07 PM
They really don't learn do they?
The thread beginning with
http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4666 is a
hoot. I particularly like the post where our hero says:
No,but its true-- strict
From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:30 PM
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:17:25PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Oh, and you've just gotta love the mentality that sees 'gay' as an
insult.
Gives a real feel for the kind of person we're dealing with :)
Just to clarify
A page about the new edition of Learning Perl has appeared on the ORA site:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lperl3/
Should be out in time for TPC.
Dave...
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From: Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:36 AM
Chris Devers writes:
Cousin site to http://www.c-cup.com/, which seems to be down at the
moment.
Typical example: Charisma Carpenter Guide to Selected Linux Software
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:47 PM
Cross David - dcross wrote:
I'll get my photos up before too long. But I do need to get them
developed
the old fashioned way, so if anyone wants to prevent photos taken on the
Staten Island Ferry from being
From: Dave Hodgkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:28 AM
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Current version is at
http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/notmatt/formmail.pl.txt but it needs
some tightening up and peer review.
Remind me, what was the mission
From: Matthew Byng-Maddick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:07 AM
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Yep. But Net::SMTP is not a stadard module and therefore sendmail wins.
That wasn't the reason. The reason was the same as one of the reasons
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:57 PM
so .. who is the FormMail csar? ... I lost track of who was dealing with
what.
Er... me. I think.
I spotted a few things in there and have comments .. or should i
just post em on the list .. ???
Just post 'em to the list.
It's that time of year again boys and girls. I know it all fell apart last
year, but I'm an optimist and am going to try again.
Who's going to TPC? Shall we see if we can get a group together and perhaps
get a discount on the flight?
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From: Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:49 PM
So are any of you still thinking of going to NYC, while we're at it?
Er... yeah. We got back yesterday!
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From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:51 PM
jo walsh sent the following bits through the ether:
well, it looks like the tube strike (8pm Weds 2nd May - 8pm Thurs 3rd
May)
is still on, and this will scupper our May social meeting plans rather.
It's not
I thought it had all blown over. Chris had even started being civil to me
again. But over the weekend bk (who was the one who started it all) posted
the following:
=
Yea, I usually _AM_ the right one. WOW, I was wrong _1_ _fucking_ _time_.
Ooohhh, Davey intimidates me! That's
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