Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: Does this look right? yes, try your luck. pavel

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > Does this look right? yes, try your luck. pavel

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:21 AM, John McCabe-Dansted gma...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: the image ubuntu makes for lyx is bad. they are pushing not well tested versions of qt/lyx into repo, but they do not update bugfixing releases so user

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:21 AM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> the image ubuntu makes for lyx is bad. they are pushing not well tested >> versions of qt/lyx into repo, but they do not update bugfixing releases

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: John McCabe-Dansted wrote: Possibly we could try to get Rainer recognized as a Per-package Uploader for LyX, if Rainer wants this. Getting involved in Ubuntu is reputably easier than Debian. This would involve some

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do much about the whole thing except extremistic solutions like doing ppas and ask ubuntu

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:06 PM, John McCabe-Dansted gma...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do much about

LyX Ubuntu package contributions --- WAS: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Checking http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lyx I found that Per Olofson and Sven Hoexter are the original maintainers, and it seems they would not mind somebody new in the team: Some fresh blood for the pkg-lyx team would be cool too (Sven,

Re: LyX Ubuntu package contributions --- WAS: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: Checking http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lyx I found that Per Olofson and Sven Hoexter are the original maintainers, and it seems they would not mind somebody new in the team: Some fresh blood for the pkg-lyx team would be cool too (Sven,

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the trust you put in me, but I do not nearly know enough about building software, configuration and ubuntu to feel comfortable with this role. I don't think that Ubuntu would let you fill the role without a

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM, John McCabe-Dansted gma...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the trust you put in me, but I do not nearly know enough about building software, configuration and ubuntu to feel comfortable with

Re: LyX Ubuntu package contributions --- WAS: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: Checking http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lyx I found that Per Olofson and Sven Hoexter are the original maintainers, and it seems they would not mind somebody new in the team: Some fresh blood

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather inform the user about the ppa and how they can add it to Hmm, if we wanted to be really fancy we could add an upgrade to lyx-2.0.latest in the about dialog, and replace the You have crashed, please report a

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:10 PM, John McCabe-Dansted gma...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather inform the user about the ppa and how they can add it to Hmm, if we wanted to be really fancy we could add an upgrade to

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: Check every week for updates and if there is a newer version, if there is one, offer to download it and install it. this is really not our bussines. each distro has its own package managment and there is no man power to care about all of them (if you don't want to cripple

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: I think asking Ubuntu to drop LyX from their official repos, was the extremistic part of that solution, not the creation of a PPA. that was it :) p

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: Check every week for updates and if there is a newer version, if there is one, offer to download it and install it. this is really not our bussines. each distro has its own package managment and there is

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather inform the user about the ppa and how they can add it to their system (if ubuntu is happy with that) and also put the info in the help files One innocent Easter egg would be just this: for all non-stable

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that as well, but it might be problematic with Ubuntu: the reason why ubuntu-tweak was not included in the ubuntu cd, was that it contained mechanisms to add ppas to the system - it seems that ubuntu does

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Liviu Andronic wrote: Is this feasible? you know where the problems is only after the release. pavel

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: the image ubuntu makes for lyx is bad. they are pushing not well tested versions of qt/lyx into repo, but they do not update bugfixing releases so user gets unstable lyx at the end. it happened with their last LTS 10.04 (not

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > > Possibly we could try to get Rainer recognized as a Per-package > > Uploader for LyX, if Rainer wants this. Getting involved in Ubuntu is > > reputably easier than Debian. This would involve some

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do much about > the > > whole thing except extremistic "solutions" like doing ppas and

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:06 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Liviu Andronic > wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > >> yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do

LyX Ubuntu package contributions --- WAS: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Checking http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lyx I found that Per Olofson and Sven Hoexter are the original maintainers, and it seems they would not mind somebody new in the team: "Some fresh blood for the pkg-lyx team would be cool too" (Sven,

Re: LyX Ubuntu package contributions --- WAS: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: > Checking > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lyx > I found that Per Olofson and Sven Hoexter are the original maintainers, and > it seems they would not mind somebody new in the team: > > "Some fresh blood for the pkg-lyx team would be cool too" > (Sven, >

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > Thanks for the trust you put in me, but I do not nearly know enough about > building software, configuration and ubuntu to feel comfortable with this > role. I don't think that Ubuntu would let you fill the role without a

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > > Thanks for the trust you put in me, but I do not nearly know enough about > > building software, configuration and ubuntu to feel

Re: LyX Ubuntu package contributions --- WAS: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > Checking > > > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lyx > > I found that Per Olofson and Sven Hoexter are the original maintainers, > and > > it seems they would not mind somebody new in the team: > > > >

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > I would rather inform the user about the ppa and how they can add it to Hmm, if we wanted to be really fancy we could add an "upgrade to lyx-2.0.latest" in the about dialog, and replace the "You have crashed, please

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:10 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > > I would rather inform the user about the ppa and how they can add it to > > Hmm, if we wanted to be really fancy we could add an "upgrade to

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: > Check every week for updates and if there is a newer version, if there is > one, offer to download it and install it. this is really not our bussines. each distro has its own package managment and there is no man power to care about all of them (if you don't want to cripple

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > I think asking Ubuntu to drop LyX from their official repos, was the > "extremistic" part of that solution, not the creation of a PPA. that was it :) p

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > Check every week for updates and if there is a newer version, if there is > > one, offer to download it and install it. > > this is really not our bussines. each distro has its own package > managment

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > I would rather inform the user about the ppa and how they can add it to > their system (if ubuntu is happy with that) and also put the info in the > help files > One innocent Easter egg would be just this: for all

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > I thought about that as well, but it might be problematic with Ubuntu: the > reason why ubuntu-tweak was not included in the ubuntu cd, was that it > contained mechanisms to add ppas to the system - it seems that ubuntu

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Liviu Andronic wrote: > Is this feasible? you know where the problems is only after the release. pavel

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > the image ubuntu makes for lyx is bad. they are pushing not well tested > versions of qt/lyx into repo, but they do not update bugfixing releases > so user gets unstable lyx at the end. it happened with their last LTS 10.04 >

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do much about the whole thing except extremistic solutions like doing ppas and ask ubuntu

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: We could detect the Ubuntu build environment and break. I don't recall hehehe. it reminds me time when climm developer (that time micq) was not able to push critical fixes into the debian release of his package. in certain moment his frustration exceeded the critical

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: John McCabe-Dansted wrote: We could detect the Ubuntu build environment and break. I don't recall hehehe. it reminds me time when climm developer (that time micq) was not able to push critical fixes into the debian release of

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: However even then it might be better for Debian to package the old LyX anyway. A fairly stable LyX like 1.6.9 should already have most of the bugs beaten out and not really have much need for updates, thus being more suitable for a stable distribution than 2.0.0

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do much about the >> whole thing except extremistic "solutions" like doing ppas and ask

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > We could detect the Ubuntu build environment and break. I don't recall hehehe. it reminds me time when climm developer (that time micq) was not able to push critical fixes into the debian release of his package. in certain moment his frustration exceeded the critical

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > John McCabe-Dansted wrote: >> We could detect the Ubuntu build environment and break. I don't recall > > hehehe. it reminds me time when climm developer (that time micq) > was not able to push critical fixes into the debian

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > However even then it might be better for Debian to package the old LyX > anyway. A fairly stable LyX like 1.6.9 should already have most of the > bugs beaten out and not really have much need for updates, thus being > more suitable for a stable distribution than 2.0.0

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do much about the whole thing except extremistic solutions like doing ppas and ask ubuntu devs to stop producing lyx binaries. Something that they would probably deny. In

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > yes this was the idea. otherwise i dont believe we can't do much about the > whole thing except extremistic "solutions" like doing ppas and ask ubuntu > devs to stop producing lyx binaries. > Something that they would probably

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: I have the feeling we are getting somewhere with the creation of the ppa for LyX. side note. firstly, do you know how the official binaries are prepared for ubuntu. are they blindly taken from debian or someone compiles the stuff again? secondly, is it possible to be

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: I have the feeling we are getting somewhere with the creation of the ppa for LyX. side note. firstly, do you know how the official binaries are prepared for ubuntu. are they blindly taken from debian or

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: I could try suggesting on ubuntu-devel-discuss that lyx would be a good candidate for more frequent releases. Something like: i think the real issue is that there is really nobody who cares about lyx package, not that the info about needed lyx update is missing. there

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: John McCabe-Dansted wrote: I could try suggesting on ubuntu-devel-discuss that lyx would be a good candidate for more frequent releases. Something like: i think the real issue is that there is really nobody who cares about lyx

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: Possibly we could try to get Rainer recognized as a Per-package Uploader for LyX, if Rainer wants this. Getting involved in Ubuntu is reputably easier than Debian. This would involve some collaboration with an Ubuntu sponsor and an application like the following:

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: > I have the feeling we are getting somewhere with the creation of the ppa for > LyX. side note. firstly, do you know how the official binaries are prepared for ubuntu. are they blindly taken from debian or someone compiles the stuff again? secondly, is it possible to be

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: >> I have the feeling we are getting somewhere with the creation of the ppa for >> LyX. > > side note. > > firstly, do you know how the official binaries are prepared for ubuntu. > are they blindly taken

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > I could try suggesting on ubuntu-devel-discuss that lyx would be a > good candidate for more frequent releases. Something like: i think the real issue is that there is really nobody who cares about lyx package, not that the info about needed lyx update is missing.

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > John McCabe-Dansted wrote: >> I could try suggesting on ubuntu-devel-discuss that lyx would be a >> good candidate for more frequent releases. Something like: > > i think the real issue is that there is really nobody who cares >

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > Possibly we could try to get Rainer recognized as a Per-package > Uploader for LyX, if Rainer wants this. Getting involved in Ubuntu is > reputably easier than Debian. This would involve some collaboration > with an Ubuntu sponsor and an application like the following:

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: I just think that a beta tester (even an alpha tester) is not nearly as adventurous as a daily build trunk user. So if we are talking about types of users, I would possibly add the trunc user as a

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 5:59 AM, John McCabe-Dansted gma...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: In my view release is extraneous here. We could have instead: lyx-1.6 (for latest stable 1.6.x release; probably forever 1.6.10) lyx

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: OK - I would suggest then the following naming of the binaries: lyx --- latest stable release of lyx (updates the ubuntu installation) The following installations should be compiled with version suffix to enable parallel

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: OK - I would suggest then the following naming of the binaries: lyx --- latest stable release of lyx (updates the ubuntu installation) The

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: This all makes sense to me. I would only insist in grouping lyx-a.b-svn with lyx-a.b-trunk. As much as latest branch would usually be more stable than the latest stable release, the branch could easily contain nasty

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: This all makes sense to me. I would only insist in grouping lyx-a.b-svn with lyx-a.b-trunk. As much as latest branch would usually be more

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > I just think that a beta tester (even an alpha tester) is not nearly as > > adventurous as a daily build trunk user. > > > > So if we are talking about types of users, I would possibly add the trunc > >

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 5:59 AM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Liviu Andronic > wrote: > > In my view "release" is extraneous here. We could have instead: > > lyx-1.6 (for latest stable 1.6.x release; probably forever

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > OK - I would suggest then the following naming of the binaries: > lyx --- latest stable release of lyx (updates the ubuntu installation) > The following installations should be compiled with version suffix to enable >

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Rainer M Krug > wrote: > > OK - I would suggest then the following naming of the binaries: > > lyx --- latest stable release of lyx (updates the ubuntu

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> This all makes sense to me. I would only insist in grouping >> lyx-a.b-svn with lyx-a.b-trunk. As much as latest branch would usually >> be more stable than the latest stable release, the branch could easily >> contain

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > >> This all makes sense to me. I would only insist in grouping > >> lyx-a.b-svn with lyx-a.b-trunk. As much as latest branch would usually

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: We will have at least two ppas - namely lyx-daily for daily builds of trunc please make sure in some description that _trunk_ is not what users want unless they really know what they are doing. pavel

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: We will have at least two ppas - namely lyx-daily for daily builds of trunc please make sure in some description that _trunk_ is not what users want unless they really know what they are doing.

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: lyx-daily lyx-stable and lyx-beta The latter should be called lyx-unstable unless it is a real beta release. Jürgen

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: lyx-daily lyx-stable and lyx-beta The latter should be called lyx-unstable unless it is a real beta release. I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it right),

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it right), so: lyx-daily daily builds of trunk and 2.0.x - highly unstable and only for testing purposes -- unstable lyx-beta official released beta versions of lyx. can be considered -- quite

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Le 24/06/2011 11:23, Rainer M Krug a écrit : I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it right), so: lyx-daily daily builds of trunk and 2.0.x - highly unstable and *only* for testing purposes -- unstable I would differentiate the wording for branch. The daily

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: there should always be a installation candidate lyx in the stable ppa, which effectively is always the newest version and installs as lyx without any version suffix. Would that then clash with the official Ubuntu(tm) LyX

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote: Le 24/06/2011 11:23, Rainer M Krug a écrit : I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it right), so: lyx-daily daily builds of trunk and 2.0.x - highly unstable and *only* for

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: --- BRANCH_2_0_X (unstable but usable) As JMarc already noted, that's not true. Apart from expeptions that actually should not happen (but can happen even in official stable releases), BRANCH_2_0_X is usually even more stable than our official stable releases. Jürgen

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Le 24/06/2011 11:52, Rainer M Krug a écrit : Ok. I think this all biols down to the understanding of how stable trunk and BRANCH_2_0_X is. So the first question is: Which binaries do we want to have in ppas? and We/you obviously have to decide what ppas are really useful (do adding new ones

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Sorry - forgot the reply all On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.orgwrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: --- BRANCH_2_0_X (unstable but usable) As JMarc already noted, that's not true. Apart from

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote: Le 24/06/2011 11:52, Rainer M Krug a écrit : Ok. I think this all biols down to the understanding of how stable trunk and BRANCH_2_0_X is. So the first question is: Which binaries do we want to have in ppas?

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Le 24/06/2011 12:22, Rainer M Krug a écrit : I think one ppa should only hold the official final releases, with version suffixes, and one lyx, which updates the ubuntu one. This should be the one for the user who really want's to be on the save side. One other ppa should have the opposite -

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote: Le 24/06/2011 12:22, Rainer M Krug a écrit : I think one ppa should only hold the official final releases, with version suffixes, and one lyx, which updates the ubuntu one. This should be the one for the user

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Le 24/06/2011 14:26, Rainer M Krug a écrit : In this scheme we would be mixing releases with daily builds, which I think is not a good idea. Also: a beta tester might not be interested in the daily builds. Especially, I would not mix the daily trunk builds with anything else more stable - if

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote: Le 24/06/2011 14:26, Rainer M Krug a écrit : In this scheme we would be mixing releases with daily builds, which I think is not a good idea. Also: a beta tester might not be interested in the daily builds.

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Le 24/06/2011 15:34, Rainer M Krug a écrit : My problem is to separate two kind of users: * people who want a version of lyx safe with their documents (lyx releases, branch daily builds). This is the ppa we can recommend to everybody. OK - if the developers feel comfortable

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

To chip in.. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote: Concerning naming, I would propose an explicit separation between daily and releases with names like lyx-daily-(stable|trunk) This naming scheme seems most intuitive for daily builds. For most

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On 06/24/2011 05:38 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 24/06/2011 11:23, Rainer M Krug a écrit : I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it right), so: lyx-daily daily builds of trunk and 2.0.x - highly unstable and *only* for testing purposes -- unstable I

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: I just think that a beta tester (even an alpha tester) is not nearly as adventurous as a daily build trunk user. So if we are talking about types of users, I would possibly add the trunc user as a third category which would mean a third ppa. to be frank, except

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: I just think that a beta tester (even an alpha tester) is not nearly as adventurous as a daily build trunk user. So if we are talking about types of users, I would possibly add the trunc user as a third

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: In my view release is extraneous here. We could have instead: lyx-1.6 (for latest stable 1.6.x release; probably forever 1.6.10) lyx (for latest stable release, currently 2.0.0 and soon 2.0.1, while in the future it

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: > We will have at least two ppas - namely lyx-daily for daily builds of trunc please make sure in some description that _trunk_ is not what users want unless they really know what they are doing. pavel

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > We will have at least two ppas - namely lyx-daily for daily builds of > trunc > > please make sure in some description that _trunk_ is not what users want > unless they really know what they are doing.

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: > lyx-daily > lyx-stable > > and > > lyx-beta The latter should be called lyx-unstable unless it is a real beta release. Jürgen

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Rainer M Krug wrote: > > lyx-daily > > lyx-stable > > > > and > > > > lyx-beta > > The latter should be called lyx-unstable unless it is a real beta release. > I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Rainer M Krug wrote: > I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it right), > so: > > lyx-daily > daily builds of trunk and 2.0.x - highly unstable and only for > testing purposes -- unstable > > lyx-beta > official released beta versions of lyx. can be considered

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

Le 24/06/2011 11:23, Rainer M Krug a écrit : I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it right), so: lyx-daily daily builds of trunk and 2.0.x - highly unstable and *only* for testing purposes -- unstable I would differentiate the wording for branch. The daily

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > there should always be a installation candidate "lyx" in the stable ppa, > which effectively is always the newest version and installs as lyx without > any version suffix. Would that then clash with the official

Re: LyX daily build and 2.0.x ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 24/06/2011 11:23, Rainer M Krug a écrit : > > I am sticking here with the mozilla terminology (I hope I get it >> right), so: >> >> lyx-daily >> daily builds of trunk and 2.0.x - highly unstable and

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