RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

At the risk of getting off topic, I prefer reading from the PC, using Audio, or 
downloading Brailed materials.

Reading books from the Amazon Kindle or an IOS device takes some getting used 
to.

Have you tried reading that version of the bible in a different format?

 

From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 11:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I love iBooks, but some books have rather awful issues if the book is complex. 
Take the CSB Reader’s Bible, for example. That’s the one that comes to mind 
with these issues, not trying to start a debate on Bibles or religion. When you 
try to read, everything is very sluggish, even on my iPhone X R, which isn’t an 
old device. On Kindle, the stripping out of a lot of stuff works in its favor 
with these kinds of heavily interactive books. Otherwise, I agree, Ibooks wins 
for me. Although, even with braille, formatting like bold, italics, and 
underline are still lost in braille mistranslation.





On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

No, Kendall has a broader selection. So, if I can only find the book on Kindle, 
I buy it there. But if I have a choice, I always buy on Apple Books.

Cheers,

Donna

 

Sent from my iPad





On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Is Apple iBooks have the same types of reading materials as Amazon Kindle 
Store? In other words, when searching for books, did you find the same titles 
in both stores?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

The thing I hate about Kindle books is that they strip all the formatting out.  
So, there are no paragraphs or headings or anything, everything just displays 
like one big long string of text.  That drives me crazy!  Apple iBooks has made 
lots of money off me, just because the reading experience in braille is so much 
better.

Cheers,

Donna

 






On Sep 19, 2021, at 10:21 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

Kindle is a great source for books, and I really wish they could be read on the 
Mac with VoiceOver.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 11:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: FW: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose 
a Mac as a Blind Student

 

 

On 17/9/21 05:08, skipper8...@gmail.com   wrote:

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Also, as a person who works in a job that significantly involves writing 
scholarship for publication, I've never needed Kindle. Others may be in a 
different position; I'm simply noting that, for academic purposes, there are 
usually other sources.

As for OCR, ABBYY FineReader for Mac should be investigated.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

On iPhone or Mac, yes, as far as I can recall.





What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

Yes to the former. I don't have a Victor Reader Stream, so can't comment. If it 
presents as a USB mass storage device, it's simply a matter of copying files.





What about reading PDF files?

Yes - Preview, Adobe Reader for Mac, or the PDF reader in Google Chrome - take 
your choice.





 

 

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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Okay, please let us know how the wallet goes with IOS15 if you don’t mind.

There are some features I really want to try including the Focus customizations.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I havent used the wallet yet but the app switcher seems to be working fine 
here. 

 

Best, 

 

Doug

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 20, 2021, at 7:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



I just upgraded my iPhone XS. I read the list of bug reports on applevis.com, 
and there was nothing on the list that I would expect to be a serious problem 
for my use cases.

 

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behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> >
Date: Monday, September 20, 2021 at 14:33
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
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Subject: RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hope you enjoy it, but I would advise you not to upgrade to IOS15 yet because 
some users have reported problems when using the wallet and the app switcher.

 

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:31 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

thanks to all of you who’ve responded.  I’ve ordered iphone se 2020 - it’s 
coming tomorrow.  Can’t wait.

 

Andrew

 

On 20 Sep 2021, at 07:25, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

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Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


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Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Hope you enjoy it, but I would advise you not to upgrade to IOS15 yet because 
some users have reported problems when using the wallet and the app switcher.

 

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:31 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

thanks to all of you who’ve responded.  I’ve ordered iphone se 2020 - it’s 
coming tomorrow.  Can’t wait.

 

Andrew





On 20 Sep 2021, at 07:25, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
 On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


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Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Given the situation we are in, I think Apple should have included Touch ID on 
the new phones.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I'm still on the fence.  I’m leaning toward upgrading, but the lack of Touch ID 
would be the thing that would keep me from doing it.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:56 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.

 

The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
iPads, why not also build it into the phones?

Cheers,

Donna






On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay.

Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.

Donna

 







On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.








On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.

 

The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
iPads, why not also build it into the phones?

Cheers,

Donna





On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay.

Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.

Donna

 






On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.







On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Okay.

Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.

Donna

 





On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.






On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
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Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

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mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:




I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.





On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

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Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Makes sense, but I am buying unlocked phones so I do not have the same type of 
incentives that you do.

I know some people do AT for a living so having the latest phone can be an 
essential part of the business.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

The other thing for me is that upgrading is kind of the gift that keeps on 
giving.  I really do get a crazy good price on a new phone from my employer.  
Part of that is based on trading in my old phone.  So, this year, for example, 
I’ll get much more for trading in a 12 than I would for trading in an 11 or an 
SE, which in turn, reduces the price on the new phone.  So staying with the 
current model pays off.

Cheers,

Donna

 





On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:29 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Good point about the OCR and other apps that use artificial intelligence and 
the neural engine.

I have not noticed any significant lag when VoiceOver tries to describe images 
in apps using the SE 2020 IN IOS 14.

I’d consider the Mini iPhones if it had touch ID.

That is more important to me than power since I have a M1 mac and a Windows PC 
capable of scanning documents.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I think this is very much a question of personal preference.  I understand what 
you’re saying, but I like my devices to run fast.  Patience is not one of my 
greatest virtues.  So, is there any app that wouldn’t run on the SE?  Probably 
not.  Will those apps run faster on a 13 mini?  Undoubtedly.  And personally, 
that’s something I care about.  Not saying everyone has to care about that, but 
I do.  Also, as Apple does more with screen recognition, AI, and spatial audio, 
the more powerful phones will be able to make better use of those features.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:05 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Why do you feel you need the extra power?

I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
phones to accomplish the tasks they need.

Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?

Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new every 
year that no one has seen before.

Sometimes, it is just upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.

The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, and 
I wanted something with better sound quality.

 

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last week 
was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and I’ll 
probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade price 
through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  I just 
can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power than the 
other phones.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad







On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Good point about the OCR and other apps that use artificial intelligence and 
the neural engine.

I have not noticed any significant lag when VoiceOver tries to describe images 
in apps using the SE 2020 IN IOS 14.

I’d consider the Mini iPhones if it had touch ID.

That is more important to me than power since I have a M1 mac and a Windows PC 
capable of scanning documents.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I think this is very much a question of personal preference.  I understand what 
you’re saying, but I like my devices to run fast.  Patience is not one of my 
greatest virtues.  So, is there any app that wouldn’t run on the SE?  Probably 
not.  Will those apps run faster on a 13 mini?  Undoubtedly.  And personally, 
that’s something I care about.  Not saying everyone has to care about that, but 
I do.  Also, as Apple does more with screen recognition, AI, and spatial audio, 
the more powerful phones will be able to make better use of those features.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:05 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Why do you feel you need the extra power?

I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
phones to accomplish the tasks they need.

Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?

Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new every 
year that no one has seen before.

Sometimes, it is just upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.

The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, and 
I wanted something with better sound quality.

 

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last week 
was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and I’ll 
probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade price 
through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  I just 
can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power than the 
other phones.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad






On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:




I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Why do you feel you need the extra power?

I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
phones to accomplish the tasks they need.

Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?

Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new every 
year that no one has seen before.

Sometimes, it is just upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.

The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, and 
I wanted something with better sound quality.

 

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last week 
was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and I’ll 
probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade price 
through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  I just 
can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power than the 
other phones.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad





On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Good to know.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

No, Kendall has a broader selection. So, if I can only find the book on Kindle, 
I buy it there. But if I have a choice, I always buy on Apple Books.

Cheers,

Donna

 

Sent from my iPad





On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Is Apple iBooks have the same types of reading materials as Amazon Kindle 
Store? In other words, when searching for books, did you find the same titles 
in both stores?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

The thing I hate about Kindle books is that they strip all the formatting out.  
So, there are no paragraphs or headings or anything, everything just displays 
like one big long string of text.  That drives me crazy!  Apple iBooks has made 
lots of money off me, just because the reading experience in braille is so much 
better.

Cheers,

Donna

 






On Sep 19, 2021, at 10:21 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

Kindle is a great source for books, and I really wish they could be read on the 
Mac with VoiceOver.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 11:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: FW: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose 
a Mac as a Blind Student

 

 

On 17/9/21 05:08, skipper8...@gmail.com   wrote:

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Also, as a person who works in a job that significantly involves writing 
scholarship for publication, I've never needed Kindle. Others may be in a 
different position; I'm simply noting that, for academic purposes, there are 
usually other sources.

As for OCR, ABBYY FineReader for Mac should be investigated.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

On iPhone or Mac, yes, as far as I can recall.





What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

Yes to the former. I don't have a Victor Reader Stream, so can't comment. If it 
presents as a USB mass storage device, it's simply a matter of copying files.





What about reading PDF files?

Yes - Preview, Adobe Reader for Mac, or the PDF reader in Google Chrome - take 
your choice.





 

 

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RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Is Apple iBooks have the same types of reading materials as Amazon Kindle 
Store? In other words, when searching for books, did you find the same titles 
in both stores?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

The thing I hate about Kindle books is that they strip all the formatting out.  
So, there are no paragraphs or headings or anything, everything just displays 
like one big long string of text.  That drives me crazy!  Apple iBooks has made 
lots of money off me, just because the reading experience in braille is so much 
better.

Cheers,

Donna

 





On Sep 19, 2021, at 10:21 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

Kindle is a great source for books, and I really wish they could be read on the 
Mac with VoiceOver.

 

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On 17/9/21 05:08, skipper8...@gmail.com   wrote:

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Also, as a person who works in a job that significantly involves writing 
scholarship for publication, I've never needed Kindle. Others may be in a 
different position; I'm simply noting that, for academic purposes, there are 
usually other sources.

As for OCR, ABBYY FineReader for Mac should be investigated.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

On iPhone or Mac, yes, as far as I can recall.




What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

Yes to the former. I don't have a Victor Reader Stream, so can't comment. If it 
presents as a USB mass storage device, it's simply a matter of copying files.




What about reading PDF files?

Yes - Preview, Adobe Reader for Mac, or the PDF reader in Google Chrome - take 
your choice.




 

 

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RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Well,

You could try Acrobat Pro which is cross-platform.

Someone on this list mentioned live OCR in the next OS release, I think.

If you run JAWS or NVDA on Windows you can use the OCR built into JAWS or the 
addon for NVDA.

Check to see if Pages for the Mac works with PDF.

I know you can open PDF’s in word, and I believe you can save Word documents as 
PDF files though do not know if formatting is retained.

 

 

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Mac as a Blind Student

 

I have a Mac and a Windows computer. PDF Pen was recommended by someone here in 
context of apps to do PDF’s.

Devin Prater

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On Sep 19, 2021, at 8:59 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I’m not sure who recommended PDF 10 since I do not use this app.

Are you using Windows or Mac at work?

JAWS OCR would cost considerably more at work, and the only free OCR I know of 
is the free NVDA addon.

If you need to edit PDF files, maybe Acrobat Pro would be your best option.

 

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Mac as a Blind Student

 

$79 isn’t just not cheap, it’s very expensive for an app. My job deals with 
PDF’s a lot, and as the blind person in the AT Department, I’m the one that 
usually has to make them accessible. Would this be worth buying to help in my 
job? Is this *completely* accessible?

Devin Prater

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RE: FW: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Kindle is a great source for books, and I really wish they could be read on the 
Mac with VoiceOver.

 

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On 17/9/21 05:08, skipper8...@gmail.com   wrote:

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Also, as a person who works in a job that significantly involves writing 
scholarship for publication, I've never needed Kindle. Others may be in a 
different position; I'm simply noting that, for academic purposes, there are 
usually other sources.

As for OCR, ABBYY FineReader for Mac should be investigated.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

On iPhone or Mac, yes, as far as I can recall.



What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

Yes to the former. I don't have a Victor Reader Stream, so can't comment. If it 
presents as a USB mass storage device, it's simply a matter of copying files.



What about reading PDF files?

Yes - Preview, Adobe Reader for Mac, or the PDF reader in Google Chrome - take 
your choice.



 

 

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RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

I’m not sure who recommended PDF 10 since I do not use this app.

Are you using Windows or Mac at work?

JAWS OCR would cost considerably more at work, and the only free OCR I know of 
is the free NVDA addon.

If you need to edit PDF files, maybe Acrobat Pro would be your best option.

 

From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries  
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Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

$79 isn’t just not cheap, it’s very expensive for an app. My job deals with 
PDF’s a lot, and as the blind person in the AT Department, I’m the one that 
usually has to make them accessible. Would this be worth buying to help in my 
job? Is this *completely* accessible?

Devin Prater

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PDFPen

 

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RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

I am glad the Mantis is supported on the Mac because I’ve heard that it is not 
supported on all platforms.

Connecting a Braille display to a Mac was one of the easiest things for me to 
do.

 

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Behalf Of Kliph
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Mac as a Blind Student

 

I have no issue with braille on the Mac, using the mantis q40 is a breeze.

 





On Sep 18, 2021, at 2:54 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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I find that Braille on the Mac still difficult.  Lot’s of interacting, and then 
the Cursor isn’t reflected on the Braille display as you get with Jaws.  If 
Braille was good on the Mac then I’d use my Braille display with it as well as 
windows.





On 17 Sep 2021, at 19:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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wrote:

 

Hi,

 

PDFPen and PDFPen Pro are also great accessible pdf apps on the Mac.  They’re 
not free, of course, but usually do a great job.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Herbie Allen mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If you have trouble with Preview, Give Adobe a try for Mac. I’ve also had good 
luck with Chrome.





On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:58, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and web 
usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and super 
simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as compared to 
windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and goes in circles 
etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I always keep asking 
about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac for me anymore.



Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
 wrote:



Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

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Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?






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The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

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as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>
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> Hello,
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> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

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I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


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I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).  My 
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RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

I like the instant connectivity on the Mac when pairing the Braille display.

Does VoiceOver give the option to have the Braille cursor match the VoiceOver 
cursor?

 

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To: Macvisionaries 
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Mac as a Blind Student

 

I find that Braille on the Mac still difficult.  Lot’s of interacting, and then 
the Cursor isn’t reflected on the Braille display as you get with Jaws.  If 
Braille was good on the Mac then I’d use my Braille display with it as well as 
windows.





On 17 Sep 2021, at 19:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

PDFPen and PDFPen Pro are also great accessible pdf apps on the Mac.  They’re 
not free, of course, but usually do a great job.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Herbie Allen mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If you have trouble with Preview, Give Adobe a try for Mac. I’ve also had good 
luck with Chrome.





On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:58, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and web 
usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and super 
simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as compared to 
windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and goes in circles 
etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I always keep asking 
about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac for me anymore.



Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
 wrote:



Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?






On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io   mailto:tech...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv   mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
 or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now 

RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Actually, do you have a particular file you want me to test on the Mac?

If so, can you send it to me offlist?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

Make sure your PDF has tables, headings, links, all the stuff that many PDFs 
have.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 17, 2021, at 11:01 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Well,

Let me try reading a PDF on my M1 Mac and get back to you.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 1:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and web 
usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and super 
simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as compared to 
windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and goes in circles 
etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I always keep asking 
about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac for me anymore.

Sent from my iPhone






On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?







On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io   mailto:tech...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv   mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
  or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.


1. Cost vs. Benefits


If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, travel, 
classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you time. 
Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. In 
addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs 

RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Okay, if I have time this weekend I’ll try to find a good PDF and let you know.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

Make sure your PDF has tables, headings, links, all the stuff that many PDFs 
have.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 17, 2021, at 11:01 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Well,

Let me try reading a PDF on my M1 Mac and get back to you.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 1:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and web 
usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and super 
simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as compared to 
windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and goes in circles 
etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I always keep asking 
about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac for me anymore.

Sent from my iPhone






On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?







On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io   mailto:tech...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv   mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
  or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.


1. Cost vs. Benefits


If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, travel, 
classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you time. 
Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. In 
addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in 

RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Well,

Let me try reading a PDF on my M1 Mac and get back to you.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 1:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and web 
usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and super 
simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as compared to 
windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and goes in circles 
etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I always keep asking 
about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac for me anymore.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?






On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io   mailto:tech...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv   mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
  or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.


1. Cost vs. Benefits


If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, travel, 
classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you time. 
Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. In 
addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in productivity tools such 
as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are accessible right away and there’s 
no need to install anything else to get them to work with the assistive 
technology.

The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, but 
the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen reader, 
paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the machine to your 
liking. When all is said and done, you may actually lose time installing and 
configuring extra software whereas with a Mac 
 , you can simply turn the machine on 
and start working right away.


2. The Apple 

RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Well,

Check out this article.

https://www.macworld.com/article/350665/live-text-vs-text-extraction-apps-ocr-adobe-acrobat-google-microsoft-one-note-pdfpen-evernote.html

since I subscribe to Office 365, I may be able to try Evernote on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 1:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I haven’t used OCR on Windows for years now. Mac works just fine for me!





On Sep 17, 2021, at 10:50, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?






On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io   mailto:tech...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv   mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
  or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.


1. Cost vs. Benefits


If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, travel, 
classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you time. 
Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. In 
addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in productivity tools such 
as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are accessible right away and there’s 
no need to install anything else to get them to work with the assistive 
technology.

The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, but 
the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen reader, 
paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the machine to your 
liking. When all is said and done, you may actually lose time installing and 
configuring extra software whereas with a Mac 
 , you can simply turn the machine on 
and start working right away.


2. The Apple Ecosystem


When you buy any Apple product, you’re jumping into the Apple ecosystem. Macs, 
iPhones, Air Pods, Home Pods and iCloud all work together seamlessly. This is 
another time saver if you’re a blind student looking to have 

RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Thanks for this article.

I didn’t realize that EverNote was part of Office 365, so I now have a second 
OCR option since I subscribe to Office 365.

.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

Hi,

 

With an M1 Mac and Monterey, the Live text feature is pretty darn close to 
built-in OCR.

 

https://www.macworld.com/article/350665/live-text-vs-text-extraction-apps-ocr-adobe-acrobat-google-microsoft-one-note-pdfpen-evernote.html

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:50 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?






On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io   mailto:tech...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv   mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
  or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.


1. Cost vs. Benefits


If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, travel, 
classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you time. 
Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. In 
addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in productivity tools such 
as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are accessible right away and there’s 
no need to install anything else to get them to work with the assistive 
technology.

The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, but 
the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen reader, 
paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the machine to your 
liking. When all is said and done, you may actually lose time installing and 
configuring extra software whereas with a Mac 
 , you can simply turn the machine on 
and start working right away.


2. The Apple Ecosystem

RE: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.

I was thinking back to my college days.

I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is included 
in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.

I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.

I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that Windows 
doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.

If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would be 
even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst app 
experience.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
Mac as a Blind Student

 

I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I know 
there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with them since 
like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it any better on 
Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. There is a Learning 
Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking about the Mac or phone? It’s 
a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O on the Zip file, and it will create 
a new folder with all the content. PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as 
options to pursue. Preview comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the 
Victor,, do they still use SD cards?





On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io   mailto:tech...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv   mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
  or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.


1. Cost vs. Benefits


If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, travel, 
classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you time. 
Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. In 
addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in productivity tools such 
as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are accessible right away and there’s 
no need to install anything else to get them to work with the assistive 
technology.

The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, but 
the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen reader, 
paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the machine to your 
liking. When all is said and done, you may actually lose time installing and 
configuring extra software whereas with a Mac 
 , you can simply turn the machine on 
and start working right away.


2. The Apple Ecosystem


When you buy any Apple product, you’re jumping into the Apple ecosystem. Macs, 
iPhones, Air Pods, Home Pods and iCloud all work together seamlessly. This is 
another time saver if you’re a blind student looking to have everything work 
the first time with no let downs. This not only lets you focus on your studies, 
but you are creating an ecosystem of products that can grow as you purchase 
Apple products down the road.


3. Low Maintenance


It’s 2 in the morning and you’ve got a major paper due in 7 hours. As you’re 
settling into your writing flow, do you want to be interrupted with reminders 
to defragment your hard drive, scan for viruses and check for malware? Macs are 
known for their easy-to-use interfaces and low maintenance requirements. When 
you’re in school, you don’t need the extra distraction.

Further, VoiceOver gets updated when macOS does, so there is no need to worry 
about installing drivers, patches or fixes. VoiceOver will even recognize 
refreshable braille displays simply by 

FW: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

[skipper8218]

The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the Kindle 
eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.

Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?

What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a Victor 
Reader Stream?

What about reading PDF files?

 

From: tech...@groups.io  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
To: tech...@groups.iotv 
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac 
as a Blind Student

 

iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM


5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student


5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student


If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can bring a 
host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your assistive 
technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question will arise: What 
computing platform should you choose for your academics? Mac 
  or Windows 
 ?

If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, the 
correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.


1. Cost vs. Benefits


If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, travel, 
classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves you time. 
Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the machine. In 
addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in productivity tools such 
as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are accessible right away and there’s 
no need to install anything else to get them to work with the assistive 
technology.

The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, but 
the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen reader, 
paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the machine to your 
liking. When all is said and done, you may actually lose time installing and 
configuring extra software whereas with a Mac 
 , you can simply turn the machine on 
and start working right away.


2. The Apple Ecosystem


When you buy any Apple product, you’re jumping into the Apple ecosystem. Macs, 
iPhones, Air Pods, Home Pods and iCloud all work together seamlessly. This is 
another time saver if you’re a blind student looking to have everything work 
the first time with no let downs. This not only lets you focus on your studies, 
but you are creating an ecosystem of products that can grow as you purchase 
Apple products down the road.


3. Low Maintenance


It’s 2 in the morning and you’ve got a major paper due in 7 hours. As you’re 
settling into your writing flow, do you want to be interrupted with reminders 
to defragment your hard drive, scan for viruses and check for malware? Macs are 
known for their easy-to-use interfaces and low maintenance requirements. When 
you’re in school, you don’t need the extra distraction.

Further, VoiceOver gets updated when macOS does, so there is no need to worry 
about installing drivers, patches or fixes. VoiceOver will even recognize 
refreshable braille displays simply by plugging them into your Mac.


4. Interoperability


In the past, blind students often had to rely on specialized (and ugly) 
equipment to take notes or use a calculator. Today, the most inexpensive Mac 
can do all of this and much more. The days of specialized and expensive 
equipment for the blind student is over. Today, it’s easy to collaborate with 
classmates on a Pages document, exchange Excel and PowerPoint slides with a 
teacher or even share musical ideas in Garage Band.


5. Performance


If you’re a blind student, having a computer that just works can make the 
difference between missing a deadline for a term paper and handing it in before 
everyone else. Macs break down less often, have rock solid security features 
and are extremely fast and responsive. VoiceOver users can easily and quickly 
use large spreadsheets, write code or even edit audio without freezing or laggy 
performance. This can often make you the most efficient Mac user in the class.

Macs are the right choice for the blind student who simply wants to get work 
done without having to worry about the technology hindering their academic 
performance. There is a ton of online support for blind and low vision Mac 
users including how-to guides, podcasts and videos.

https://iphonearena.com/reasons-to-choose-a-mac-as-a-blind-student/

 

 David Goldfield 

Assistive Technology Specialist

 

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RE: MacBook, Voiceover, and Kindle

[skipper8218]

This is the first time I have heard support for Read Aloud on the Mac using 
text to speech from the Kindle app.

Unfortunately, the Kindle app is not accessible with VoiceOver on the Mac so I 
recommend using Windows, IOS, iPad OS, windows, or an amazon fire Tablet.

Some Kindle books can be read with the Echo and Echo Dots.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mauricio Molina
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 8:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MacBook, Voiceover, and Kindle

 

Hello, 

 

Using Kindle on a MacBook, is there any way of accessing the actual text of the 
book for the purpose of selecting and copying text or for allowing Voiceover to 
read the text? The Kindle app on the MacBook allows for text to speech built 
into the app by pressing Command+T, but an individual I am attempting to assist 
would prefer that Voiceover read the text rather than the text to speech built 
into the app doing the reading. We have, of course, attempted to interact with 
the text without success. I know that this can be done on a Windows PC and hope 
it can also be done on a Mac. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Mauricio

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RE: Watching Apple Keynote in TV App on iPhone SE2020

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Never saw it under TV

Aps Watch Now Tab so am using Safari.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
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Subject: Re: Watching Apple Keynote in TV App on iPhone SE2020

 

Hi,

 

It’s usually under the Watch Now tab.

 

Later…

 


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Jamf Certified Tech
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On Sep 14, 2021, at 10:20 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

Is it possible to watch the keynote live today using my TV app on my iPhone SE 
2020?

If so, where do I go in the app?

I’d like to get the audio description.

Thanks.

 

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Watching Apple Keynote in TV App on iPhone SE2020

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Hi,

Is it possible to watch the keynote live today using my TV app on my iPhone
SE 2020?

If so, where do I go in the app?

I'd like to get the audio description.

Thanks.

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RE: Resources to learn Pages and Numbers

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My Mac Pages from Jonathan Mosen's store might be a good start.
https://mosen.org/mymacpages/


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of minh Tam ha
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 2:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Resources to learn Pages and Numbers

Hello all,

Are there books or tutorials that teach how to use Pages and Numbers with 
Voiceover in depth? I am already using these programs but on a basic level and 
I would like to kick up my knowledge to become much more productive on the Mac.

Thanks for your suggestions,
Minh

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RE: For Brad Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

[skipper8218]

I apologize for being part of the confusion here.

I can’t keep up with all the mac models and didn’t realize that the Pro line 
still had Intel chips.

However, the technical details are not what is important here.

The important thing here is to consider why a person wants a Mac and what they 
are going to do with it.

Is the Mac the I right option or would an iPad work just as well.

I wanted a Mac so I could eventually learn to code and also play with Swift 
Playgrounds.

I love the Mac’s consistent user interface, but I wish more apps from IOS could 
work on the machine and had high hopes for the catalyst project.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 12:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: For Brad Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hi Brad,

 

Yes, you are correct.  I apologize if my note came across as a correction to 
you.  The original response stated information about both the MacBook Air and 
the MacBook Pro lines.  I was just trying to clarify that your information was 
correct, but in addition, the information regarding the MacBook Pro line was 
not valid.

 

Again, my apologies if my response offended you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Aug 21, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually Tim, what I said was that the current MacBook Eyre is only available 
with an M1 processor.

I made no mention of the MacBook Pro line.

 

- Brad -


On Aug 21, 2021, at 11:23, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

To be a little picky here, this is just “mostly" correct.  The MacBook Pro line 
does have Intel and M1 models.  I am actually writing this note on an M1 
MacBook Pro, and if you look in the Apple Store on-line, you’ll see that they 
are also available with I5 and I7 Intel processors.

 

I agree with Brad with respect to the 4 Gb of RAM  While they may work, your 
performance is limited when you only have the 4 Gb of RAM.  The newer MacOS’s 
like Big Sur have a lot going on in the background and limiting the computer to 
4 Gb of RAM will not give you as pleasant, or robust of an experience as when 
it’s running 8 Gb or more.  The M1 Macs run just great with 8 Gb of RAM and due 
to the workings of the processor and bus speeds, 8 Gb does great for most 
tasks.  Even those more intensive tasks like rendering graphics and video.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
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On Aug 21, 2021, at 12:06 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

This is correct.

New MacBook Airs from Apple are available only with the new M1 processor.

Intel MacBook Airs may be available from the refurbished store on Apple.com 
 , or from third party retailers.


- Brad -

 

On Aug 21, 2021, at 00:02, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

As I understand it the Mac is transitioning to the M1 chips, and the basic 
configuration is 256GB SSD with 8GB RAM.

I am not sure if there are any Macbook Airs with Intel processors in the 13 
inch line.

I think the Pro versions still have Intel chips.

It all depends on what you want to do with the Mac.

You could consider an iPad as well.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 8:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: For Brad Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello Brad,

 

I was wondering, why do you recommend that if I choose a Mac Air, that I make 
sure it has at least 8 gigs of Ram, and at least a 256 Gig drive?

 

I am just curious as to your reasons.

 

Thank you,

 

Terri

On 8/20/2021 5:25 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

I wouldn’t get a MacBook Air with less than 8 GB RAM, and at least 256 SSD HD.

I’d pass on this one.

 


- Brad -

 

On Aug 20, 2021, at 17:00, Terri Stimmel mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave that information out. It states that it is the 
latest model. Just that it is refurbished. The model number is, MC969LL/A.

 

I hope this helps?

 

Thank you,

 

Terri

On 8/20/2021 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi we need to know how old is

 

It?

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Terri Stimmel  
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello everyone,

 

 

My boyfriend found a deal for 

RE: For Brad Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

[skipper8218]

As I understand it the Mac is transitioning to the M1 chips, and the basic 
configuration is 256GB SSD with 8GB RAM.

I am not sure if there are any Macbook Airs with Intel processors in the 13 
inch line.

I think the Pro versions still have Intel chips.

It all depends on what you want to do with the Mac.

You could consider an iPad as well.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 8:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: For Brad Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello Brad,

 

I was wondering, why do you recommend that if I choose a Mac Air, that I make 
sure it has at least 8 gigs of Ram, and at least a 256 Gig drive?

 

I am just curious as to your reasons.

 

Thank you,

 

Terri

On 8/20/2021 5:25 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

I wouldn’t get a MacBook Air with less than 8 GB RAM, and at least 256 SSD HD.

I’d pass on this one.

 


- Brad -

 

On Aug 20, 2021, at 17:00, Terri Stimmel mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave that information out. It states that it is the 
latest model. Just that it is refurbished. The model number is, MC969LL/A.

 

I hope this helps?

 

Thank you,

 

Terri

On 8/20/2021 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi we need to know how old is

 

It?

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Terri Stimmel  
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello everyone,

 

 

My boyfriend found a deal for a refurbished Macbook Air. I am very 

interested in purchasing this.

 

 

However, I would like to get some opinions on it, if at all possible. I 

don't know much about using a Mac. I have always wanted to use one. I 

know in some ways they can have limits though.

 

 

I would mainly like to be able to do a lot of different audio recording. 

I currently use an HP laptop for the majority of things. And probably 

still will.

 

 

Anyway, this Macbook Air has 4 Gigs of RAM, Intel Core I 5, 1.6 GHZ, 128 

GB SSD. It doesn't state what version of the operating system it comes with.

 

Does this possibly mean it doesn't include one?

 

Also, how likely is it that this could be updated, if at some point I 

wanted to do this?

 

 

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

Terri

 

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RE: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

[skipper8218]

I meant to say that maybe you should see if there are some 2020 Macbooks around 
before the M1 was released.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello everyone,

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave that information out. It states that it is the 
latest model. Just that it is refurbished. The model number is, MC969LL/A.

 

I hope this helps?

 

Thank you,

 

Terri

On 8/20/2021 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi we need to know how old is

 

It?

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Terri Stimmel  
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello everyone,

 

 

My boyfriend found a deal for a refurbished Macbook Air. I am very 

interested in purchasing this.

 

 

However, I would like to get some opinions on it, if at all possible. I 

don't know much about using a Mac. I have always wanted to use one. I 

know in some ways they can have limits though.

 

 

I would mainly like to be able to do a lot of different audio recording. 

I currently use an HP laptop for the majority of things. And probably 

still will.

 

 

Anyway, this Macbook Air has 4 Gigs of RAM, Intel Core I 5, 1.6 GHZ, 128 

GB SSD. It doesn't state what version of the operating system it comes with.

 

Does this possibly mean it doesn't include one?

 

Also, how likely is it that this could be updated, if at some point I 

wanted to do this?

 

 

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

Terri

 

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RE: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

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Are you referring to the Mac at Walmart?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-MacBook-Air-11-6-quot-Core-i5-2467M-Dual-Core-1-6GHz-4GB-128GB-SSD-LED-Notebook/457538391?wmlspartner=wlpa
 

 
=10746&=227079329219==g=c=191983629258=aud-1219917706781:pla-493523799072=1015236pla=117097862=online=457538391=sem=Cj0KCQjwpf2IBhDkARIsAGVo0D2zGHiV2r7L2Mufjuk1gYyYD23I5LyqkNTPwkZl7zBrTIyUeX1o1xkaAvPKEALw_wcB=aw.ds

Mountain Lion is a really old operating system, and the site says that there 
are cracks?

Not sure.

If I were you I would see if there are still older Dell Macbooks around.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello everyone,

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave that information out. It states that it is the 
latest model. Just that it is refurbished. The model number is, MC969LL/A.

 

I hope this helps?

 

Thank you,

 

Terri

On 8/20/2021 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi we need to know how old is

 

It?

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Terri Stimmel  
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

 

Hello everyone,

 

 

My boyfriend found a deal for a refurbished Macbook Air. I am very 

interested in purchasing this.

 

 

However, I would like to get some opinions on it, if at all possible. I 

don't know much about using a Mac. I have always wanted to use one. I 

know in some ways they can have limits though.

 

 

I would mainly like to be able to do a lot of different audio recording. 

I currently use an HP laptop for the majority of things. And probably 

still will.

 

 

Anyway, this Macbook Air has 4 Gigs of RAM, Intel Core I 5, 1.6 GHZ, 128 

GB SSD. It doesn't state what version of the operating system it comes with.

 

Does this possibly mean it doesn't include one?

 

Also, how likely is it that this could be updated, if at some point I 

wanted to do this?

 

 

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

Terri

 

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RE: Does anyone know if there's a way to adjust the Voice volume on a HomePod mini?

[skipper8218]

Try these gestures or use your iPhone to control the speaker.

This article might help.

https://www.the-ambient.com/how-to/enable-use-voiceover-on-homepod-1497#:~:text=Now%20we're%20all%20set,touching%20and%20will%20select%20it.
 

 
=Double%2Dtap%20and%20hold%20when%20play%2Fpause%20is%20selected%3A,%2Dtap%3A%20Skips%20the%20song.

 

Here is another source from Apple.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208434

The home app on the phone might be the easiest option.

 

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
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Subject: Re: Does anyone know if there's a way to adjust the Voice volume on a 
HomePod mini?

 

Some times that works, and some times it doesn’t.  And it never sticks.

Cheers,

Donna





On Aug 6, 2021, at 11:15 AM, maurice mines mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com> > wrote:

 

Hi yes  you can just ask Siri to rase  or  lower  the  voice  volume and  she  
or  he  will due  it. I hope  that  this  helps?

 

Maurice  Mines . Ham call  kd0iko, podcast my life as  a  deafblind person.

 





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I think I’ll try an nudge things in that direction by sending feedback to 
Apple.  

Cheers.,

Donna





On Aug 6, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

This issue with the home pod mini reminds me of one with the very old iPod 
nano. The firmware was never updated nor was very robust. The VO voice is 
always much louder than the audio being played. And never a way to adjust one 
independent of the other.

Hopefully Apple will not let this same issue live on in the home pod mini 
platform.

 

Dave Carlson

 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

 

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Hi all,

Does anyone know if there’s a way to increase or decrease the volume of the VO 
voice on a HomePod mini?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Does anyone know if there's a way to adjust the Voice volume on a HomePod mini?

[skipper8218]

The HomePod Mini has a touch display and here is a link describing the commands 
you can use.

https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/homepod-physical-controls/

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Subject: Re: Does anyone know if there's a way to adjust the Voice volume on a 
HomePod mini?

 

Hi yes  you can just ask Siri to rase  or  lower  the  voice  volume and  she  
or  he  will due  it. I hope  that  this  helps?

 

Maurice  Mines . Ham call  kd0iko, podcast my life as  a  deafblind person.

 





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I think I’ll try an nudge things in that direction by sending feedback to 
Apple.  

Cheers.,

Donna





On Aug 6, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

This issue with the home pod mini reminds me of one with the very old iPod 
nano. The firmware was never updated nor was very robust. The VO voice is 
always much louder than the audio being played. And never a way to adjust one 
independent of the other.

Hopefully Apple will not let this same issue live on in the home pod mini 
platform.

 

Dave Carlson

 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

 

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Hi all,

Does anyone know if there’s a way to increase or decrease the volume of the VO 
voice on a HomePod mini?
TIA,
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RE: Problems with latest lightning to headphone adapter

[skipper8218]

Apple sells an adapter that allows you to use earphones and charge the phone at 
the same time.
I was one of those who got really mad when Apple discontinued the headphone 
jack, but now I love the Beets Flex, the 79.00 headphones that connects using 
the A1 chip, I think.

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Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 1:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Why don't you just use the adapter that is sold by Apple. It cost $10 USD, and 
works flawlessly. I've been using it for years without any issues whatsoever.

- Brad -

On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:50, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello,
I am running IOS 14.7.1 on my iPhone SE 2020. I listen to audio books and radio 
programs through headphones which connect to my iPhone via a lightning to 3.5 
mm jack adapter.I use this in bed in the early morning before my wife has woken 
up. It is thus essential that the whole process is silent with no sounds from 
the iPhone speakers.  For some time I have used the OPSO lightning to 3.5 mm 
jack adapter from Amazon, as I found that this model lasts much longer than 
other cheaper models. It used direct wiring to make the connection which worked 
very well.

Recently OPSO have changed the design of this adapter to use bluetooth for some 
reason I cannot understand. This has resulted in the following problems with 
the result that I cannot start the listening process with no sound from my 
iPhone speakers. I have to get out of bed and set up in a different room!

The first problem is that I turn bluetooth off on the iPhone before going to 
sleep. This is because I use haptic time on my Apple watch which sometimes 
results in accidentally pinging the iPhone with the ping sound coming from the 
iPhone speakers. This disables the headphones and I thus have to use the iPhone 
speakers to turn bluetooth back on.

The second problem is that even if I leave bluetooth on I still cannot start 
the listening process with no sound from the iPhone speakers. When I press the 
home button on the iPhone to wake it up a few seconds of sound come from the 
iPhone speakers before bluetooth gets going and transfers the sound to the 
headphones.

So I now need a different model of lightning to 3.5 mm jack adapter which does 
not involve bluetooth and which ideally keeps working reliably for a long time 
across multiple unplugging of the lightning end of the adapter to enable me to 
recharge the iPhone, or to upload the iPhone contents to my iMac.

So can anyone recommend a good long lasting non-bluetooth lightning to 3.5 mm 
jack adapter?

Many thanks … Paul Hopewell

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RE: Mail Question

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I believe the moderator has to enable the option to send a message to the 
sender.


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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 11:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mail Question

Hi All,
I have tried to figure this out, but can not. So I’m asking the experts. How 
does one obtain an individual sender’s e-mail address from an e-mail list 
message? I looked at a couple of lists I am on at the bottom of a message and 
did not see an option for sending to the original sender. I am using Big Sur if 
that matters. Thanks in advance for the assist.
Best Regards,

Les

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RE: Change Reaction

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Okay,
Usually, if you download an app or purchase it, it should always be in the app 
store.
Was this app a 32-bit app by chance?
Apple stopped supporting 32-bit apps a long time ago which is why I'm glad I 
still have an old iPhone 5.
 -Original Message-
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Behalf Of joseph hodge
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Change Reaction

This appears to be gone from the App Store I had purchased it along time ago 
but just never saved it does anyone by chance have the application they would 
share for this game? I really love it! Thank you so much if you can provide 
some guidance on this. Dumb me for thinking it would always just be in the 
store.

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I’ve seen issues where file names have been too long and had to be shortened.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I suspect the Passport is formatted in NTFS, which is OK, but it seems to have 
some file size limitations.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:30, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Good to know.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Time Machine is a great tool to have in your toolbox.

I have used it to restore my old 2012 Mac mini when the HD began to fail.

The Time Machine backup restored the Mac mini to where it was before the HD 
failed, and it was like nothing had happened.

It worked great.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:24, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I'm glad.
I found it much easier to create an account on the Mac because my iPhone was 
already in the cloud.
Setting up the Mac this way was easier than Windows.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
 the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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[skipper8218]

I understand that this is not a Windows group, but I wonder if Microsoft’s 
Windows in the Cloud Service could be a solution for those wanting to run 
Windows on the Mac.

I wonder how accessible this service would be using VoiceOver and Windows 
screen readers.

Is this something Mac users who are visually impaired would welcome?

I always prefer to keep the two operating systems separate.

 

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RE: Kindle for Mac

[skipper8218]

No, unfortunately.
It is better to use Kindle on the Amazon Fire or on IOS.


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Subject: Kindle for Mac

Hello,
Is Kindle for Mac accessible?  

Thanks.
Chris

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RE: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[skipper8218]

Yes, I set up virtual machines a long time ago through VMWare.
I used some tools to create image backups of my computers so just tried to 
compare file encryption to those processes.
I just find it easier to backup sensitive data to external hard drives.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:55 PM
To: [MacVisionaries] 
Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

Well, an encrypted disk image is exactly that. It behaves exactly like a real 
disk in all aspects, save one: it’s a file with a filesystem inside it. Now, a 
VM is entirely different. We are talking about a virtual machine environment 
here. It will have a CPU, video, and all the other devices of a traditional 
machine, only emulated in software. And yeah, a VM can use virtual disks (as 
described here). So, that is the difference: one is a virtual machine complete 
with all the parts, and the other is a filesystem inside a container file.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:51 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I imagine creating an encrypted disk is like creating a VM
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:41 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
> sensitive.
> 
> Actually,
> Not sure about ICloud, but you can create something akin to it.
> 
> You create an encrypted disk image locally, then open it after resenting your 
> credentials. Then copy any files to it that you want. Once that is done, 
> close and unmount the disk image and then upload it to iCloud as a file. Once 
> there, if you have file level access to your iCloud account, you can open it 
> as a local virtual disk and (sound trumpets here), TADA! In theory, this 
> should work. However, I haven’t tried it as yet.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:27 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In Windows, OneDrive has a security vault.
>> Is there such a thing in iCloud or Word for the Mac?
>> Sounds a little less intimidating.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:25 PM
>> To: [MacVisionaries] 
>> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
>> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
>> sensitive.
>> 
>> Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also 
>> format a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the 
>> advanced features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted 
>> disk image and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open 
>> it like another drive. I do that a lot here.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
>>> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good 
>>> idea, if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, 
>>> just in case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is 
>>> not otherwise encrypted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
 You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu 
 Privacy Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a 
 public and private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag 
 attached to let you know what it is.
 
 If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, 
 you can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
 files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
 and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic 
 documents.
 
 -Eric
 
 
> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It 
> will be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this 
> data on my MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good 
> way to password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look 
> forward to any responses that anyone may have.
> 
> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you 
> very much for reading this.
> 
> maurice Mines
> Maurice mines.
> Board member, National 

RE: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[skipper8218]

I imagine creating an encrypted disk is like creating a VM

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:41 PM
To: [MacVisionaries] 
Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

Actually,
Not sure about ICloud, but you can create something akin to it.

You create an encrypted disk image locally, then open it after resenting your 
credentials. Then copy any files to it that you want. Once that is done, close 
and unmount the disk image and then upload it to iCloud as a file. Once there, 
if you have file level access to your iCloud account, you can open it as a 
local virtual disk and (sound trumpets here), TADA! In theory, this should 
work. However, I haven’t tried it as yet.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:27 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> In Windows, OneDrive has a security vault.
> Is there such a thing in iCloud or Word for the Mac?
> Sounds a little less intimidating.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:25 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
> sensitive.
> 
> Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also 
> format a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the 
> advanced features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted 
> disk image and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open 
> it like another drive. I do that a lot here.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
>> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good idea, 
>> if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, just 
>> in case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is not 
>> otherwise encrypted.
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
>>> Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and 
>>> private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to 
>>> let you know what it is.
>>> 
>>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you 
>>> can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic 
>>> documents.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
 wrote:
 
 Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
 sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It 
 will be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data 
 on my MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
 password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to 
 any responses that anyone may have.
 
 Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
 errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
 please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you 
 very much for reading this.
 
 maurice Mines
 Maurice mines.
 Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
 Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California 
 Bakersfield chapter.
 Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
 Direct phone number,  661-459-6328.
 
 
 
> On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it 
>> into plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
>> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
>> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface 
>> and have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
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RE: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[skipper8218]

In Windows, OneDrive has a security vault.
Is there such a thing in iCloud or Word for the Mac?
Sounds a little less intimidating.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:25 PM
To: [MacVisionaries] 
Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also format 
a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the advanced 
features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted disk image 
and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open it like 
another drive. I do that a lot here.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good idea, 
> if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, just in 
> case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is not 
> otherwise encrypted.
> 
> 
> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
>> Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and 
>> private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to 
>> let you know what it is.
>> 
>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you 
>> can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic documents.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
>>> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It will 
>>> be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data on my 
>>> MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
>>> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to any 
>>> responses that anyone may have.
>>> 
>>> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
>>> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
>>> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you 
>>> very much for reading this.
>>> 
>>> maurice Mines
>>> Maurice mines.
>>> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
>>> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>>> chapter.
>>> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
>>> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 
> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it into 
> plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface and 
> have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of David The Computer Guy
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 10:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

You can go to the site & download the Mac version as there’s a version for 
Linux, Windows & MacOS

Sent from David The Computer Guy

707-759-7586





On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:51 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Okay, how do you download the file; not sure I recognize the extension.

Is it accessible, and what platforms does it work on?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of David The Computer Guy
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 8:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

FYI, Y’all should have a look at Xournal… This app is the bomb for PDF editing, 
even edits what Basic Adobe Reader doesn’t without having to pay for a license 
or subscription!

 

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xournal/xournal-0.4.8.2016.tar.gz

Sent from David The Computer Guy

707-759-7586






On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

Your 2014 Mac mini should have no problem running Big Sur.

I would assume Podcast should be the same on Big Sur as on Catalina, but can’t 
say for sure, because I don’t use the Podcast app on Mac.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:24, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts from 
the way Catalina does?

 

thanks.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.

Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.

>From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
>should be good to go.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

last thing I find is activities.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Thanks for that perspective.

I bet the M1 chip will make live text processing even better particularly if it 
can be done on device and not sent to the cloud.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 11:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

This Apple Insider article may shed some more light on things for you:

 

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/07/macos-montereys-live-text-allows-users-to-interact-with-text-in-any-image

 

Essentially, we just need to wait a little while for it to be properly 
integrated.  Regular VoiceOver Recognition has its uses, but Live Text is the 
next generation.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 7:13 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, as I understand it, VoiceOver Recognition will provide image recognition 
in apps and on websites, but I see nothing about OCR for documents.

Thanks again for the resource.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, as I understand it, VoiceOver Recognition will provide image recognition 
in apps and on websites, but I see nothing about OCR for documents.

Thanks again for the resource.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, how do you download the file; not sure I recognize the extension.

Is it accessible, and what platforms does it work on?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of David The Computer Guy
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 8:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

FYI, Y’all should have a look at Xournal… This app is the bomb for PDF editing, 
even edits what Basic Adobe Reader doesn’t without having to pay for a license 
or subscription!

 

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xournal/xournal-0.4.8.2016.tar.gz

Sent from David The Computer Guy

707-759-7586





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

Your 2014 Mac mini should have no problem running Big Sur.

I would assume Podcast should be the same on Big Sur as on Catalina, but can’t 
say for sure, because I don’t use the Podcast app on Mac.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:24, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts from 
the way Catalina does?

 

thanks.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.

Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.

>From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
>should be good to go.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

last thing I find is activities.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

That might determine if I even need a PDF app capable of OCR on the Mac.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Does VoiceOver Recognition work on documents now or just images?

I do not read PDF documents on my phone.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

If that is the case, then I look forward to that feature.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

As far as I know, they’re working on that sort of thing for Monterey.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:26 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

It would be nice if VoiceOver for the Mac included OCR recognition much like 
JAWS and NVDA.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi John,

I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I forgot 
about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with Windows for 
this task.

Best Regards,

 

Les






On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com  

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT










On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les







On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

It would be nice if VoiceOver for the Mac included OCR recognition much like 
JAWS and NVDA.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi John,

I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I forgot 
about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with Windows for 
this task.

Best Regards,

 

Les





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com  

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT








On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les






On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Very reasonable.

Which app do you like better and why?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

   Stand-alone apps. One time purchases.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT








On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:00 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay, are these subscription based aps or stand alone apps?

The pricing is very reasonable.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:58 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com  

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT










On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les







On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







On Jul 2, 2021, 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, are these subscription based aps or stand alone apps?

The pricing is very reasonable.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:58 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT








On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les






On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone





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wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les





On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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RE: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[skipper8218]

I do not have a spare phone or second iCloud account and am starting to dread 
updates now after previous bugs.

I’m not going to install the update in the fall until there is proof that the 
release has stabilized.

I commend all the brave beta testers out there!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:31 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

 

BETA software is software that the company is making available so that bugs 
they could not find are found. If you have a spare machine and perhaps a spare 
iCloud account depending on your needs play with the software, and send back 
feedback. Now is the time when Apple wants to know what they broke this year. 
Not in October when they actually officially release the software. Apple If you 
read the statements when signing up for a developer or public beta from Apple, 
they put these recommendations near the top.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Jun 8, 2021, at 09:23, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay, potential loss of data in the Cloud concerns me.

Does this apply to all devices?

Is 

 

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:07 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

 

Hello!

The beta that came out yesterday are for developers. DO NOT INSTALL THEM unless 
you are a developer and you have a spare machine around to work with. While the 
messages I have seen recently seem to indicate this is a release with very few 
issues, there are definitely some changes in iCloud. You could possibly lose 
all or part of your items stored on iCloud. 

Even the public beta users lists for VoiceOver users is staying pretty mum 
about testing the new beta's since the public beta will not be out for about a 
month.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn









On Jun 8, 2021, at 07:36, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz> > wrote:

 

Hello,

I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
generation.
You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
above.
I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
software update.
On iPhone Se it is the same situation.

Happy installing


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RE: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

[skipper8218]

Okay, potential loss of data in the Cloud concerns me.

Does this apply to all devices?

Is 

 

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Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:07 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: IOS 15 and iPad OS 15 for iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st generation

 

Hello!

The beta that came out yesterday are for developers. DO NOT INSTALL THEM unless 
you are a developer and you have a spare machine around to work with. While the 
messages I have seen recently seem to indicate this is a release with very few 
issues, there are definitely some changes in iCloud. You could possibly lose 
all or part of your items stored on iCloud. 

Even the public beta users lists for VoiceOver users is staying pretty mum 
about testing the new beta's since the public beta will not be out for about a 
month.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Jun 8, 2021, at 07:36, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz> > wrote:

 

Hello,

I have a good message for you who have an iPad Mini 4 and iPhone Se 1st 
generation.
You can install iPad OS 15 and IOS 15 for this devices which was mentioned 
above.
I tried install iPad OS 15 beta to iPad Mini 4 and there apeared iPad OS in 
software update.
On iPhone Se it is the same situation.

Happy installing


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RE: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

[skipper8218]

In my case, the old iPhone SE screen was uneven to the point where I thought it 
would come loose and fall off.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jessica Moss
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:29 AM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

Ok, what in the world is a swollen battery, and what are the causes of it/signs 
to look for that you have one?  I’ve never heard of this.

> On May 28, 2021, at 8:15 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I had a swolen battery on an old iPhone SE and took it to my carrier at the 
> time and had to replace the phone so it is probably a good idea to go to 
> Apple's store.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011
> 
> I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a 
> couple years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't close.
> 
> The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue since. My 
> total cost was just over $200 as I recall.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Traci Duncan writes:
>> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine last 
>> fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
>> 
>> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
>>> should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
>>> I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
>>> Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
>>> provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
>>> replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s no 
>>> damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, my 
>>> thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
>>> finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
>>> figured out.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift 
>>> Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Al,
 
 Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
 Store will still do?
 
 My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
 my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is also 
 nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
 
 What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
 cost.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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RE: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

[skipper8218]

I had a swolen battery on an old iPhone SE and took it to my carrier at the 
time and had to replace the phone so it is probably a good idea to go to 
Apple's store.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a couple 
years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't close.

The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue since. My 
total cost was just over $200 as I recall.

Best,

Janina

Traci Duncan writes:
> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine last 
> fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
> 
> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
> > On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
> > should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
> > I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
> > Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
> > provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
> > replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s no 
> > damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, my 
> > thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
> > finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
> > figured out.
> > 
> > Later…
> > 
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift 
> > Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> >> On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Al,
> >> 
> >> Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
> >> Store will still do?
> >> 
> >> My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
> >> my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is also 
> >> nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
> >> 
> >> What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
> >> cost.
> >> 
> >> Thank you,
> >> Traci
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RE: Logos Bible Software Accessibility Status

[skipper8218]

How much does Logos cost?

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Behalf Of Vinny Pedulla
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 8:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Logos Bible Software Accessibility Status

Hey Brian,
I have been using Logos for years now. I find that it’s very accessible on iOS. 
In fact I’m on the beta team and get most builds. It works with the braille 
display and it even works with Hebrew and Greek. It’s actually very usable. As 
for Mac and windows, it’s not very usable there. So if you don’t want to use it 
on your iOS device, then you probably won’t benefit as much. They also have a 
web portal that you can access your resources on, but I find iOS to be the most 
practical. Hope this helps,

Vinny
Email: vinnypedu...@gmail.com

> On May 26, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
> 
> Good morning everyone,
> Wanted to check the accessibility status of Logos bible software. The 
> last time I checked into it, it was still not accessible, but wanted 
> to Check again. Thanks everyone, Brian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Logos Bible Software Accessibility Status

[skipper8218]

Hi,
According to this forum, Logos doesn't appear to be accessible.
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/180385.aspx

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian Howerton
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 8:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Logos Bible Software Accessibility Status

Good morning everyone,
Wanted to check the accessibility status of Logos bible software. The last time 
I checked into it, it was still not accessible, but wanted to Check again. 
Thanks everyone, Brian

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RE: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

[skipper8218]

True, but what sets the Mac apart from the iPad for you?
I love the speed and the sound quality of the voice and the speaker on the M1.
I like the consistent interface and integration between IOS and the Mac, but I 
wanted to play games on the Mac that I have on the iPhone.
So disappointed that I can't do this yet.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 9:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

I respect that stance, but from what i understand there are things one can 
do   with one os, that is not possible for the other, at least without 
short changing  things that make each unique.
Apple has too much invested in each infrastructure for a merger of two 
different types of technology.
Just my thoughts,
Karen



On Fri, 21 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

> Developers want to make more money, and I understand that they should be 
> compensated if they had to make two different programs, but there are some 
> who believe that we will see iPad and Mac Merge.
>
> If that is the case, then developers would only need to make one app.
>
> There are developers who embrace multiple platforms i.e. you can play some 
> games on the iPad and iPhone.
>
> I’m not sure how that will work since the iPad is branching off in a new 
> direction.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac
>
>
>
> Actually, I suspect that’s precisely what some developers don’t want. 
> Just a hunch.
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2021, at 4:08 PM,   >   > wrote:
>
>
>
> Well,
>
> Give it some time.
>
> Maybe Apple can automate the process so that IOS just work on the Mac by 
> default.
>
>
>
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries   >
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac
>
>
>
> Yep. Well said.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2021, at 3:26 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>   wrote:
>
> 
>
> Well,
>
> There was too much hype and not very many results.
>
>
>
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries   >
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac
>
>
>
> True enough, but I kind of feel like Apple reneged. I’m sure it was because 
> of pressure from some developer, but still.
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM,   >   > wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, those of us who have the new M1 Macs are early adopters so I hope this 
> improves.
>
>
>
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries   >
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac
>
>
>
> Hi Les,
>
>
>
> For me, that has been a huge disappointment in the M1 Macs, particularly 
> after watching Apple tout this feature so strongly last fall.  They blocked 
> side loading, and very few IOS apps will actually run on the new Macs.
>
> Best,
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Les Kriegler   > wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I read that this can be accomplished. I run many apps on my iPhone and would 
> love to do so on my MBA which is coming soon. How does one accomplish this? 
> Do you have to download each app from the Apple Store on to the Mac, or is 
> there another way this is done? Thanks for the knowledge.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Les
>
>
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RE: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

[skipper8218]

Developers want to make more money, and I understand that they should be 
compensated if they had to make two different programs, but there are some who 
believe that we will see iPad and Mac Merge.

If that is the case, then developers would only need to make one app.

There are developers who embrace multiple platforms i.e. you can play some 
games on the iPad and iPhone.

I’m not sure how that will work since the iPad is branching off in a new 
direction.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Actually, I suspect that’s precisely what some developers don’t want. Just a 
hunch.

Donna





On May 21, 2021, at 4:08 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well,

Give it some time.

Maybe Apple can automate the process so that IOS just work on the Mac by 
default.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Yep. Well said.

Sent from my iPhone






On May 21, 2021, at 3:26 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Well,

There was too much hype and not very many results.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

True enough, but I kind of feel like Apple reneged. I’m sure it was because of 
pressure from some developer, but still.

Donna







On May 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, those of us who have the new M1 Macs are early adopters so I hope this 
improves.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Hi Les,

 

For me, that has been a huge disappointment in the M1 Macs, particularly after 
watching Apple tout this feature so strongly last fall.  They blocked side 
loading, and very few IOS apps will actually run on the new Macs.

Best,

Donna








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Hi All,

I read that this can be accomplished. I run many apps on my iPhone and would 
love to do so on my MBA which is coming soon. How does one accomplish this? Do 
you have to download each app from the Apple Store on to the Mac, or is there 
another way this is done? Thanks for the knowledge.

Best,

 

Les

 

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RE: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

[skipper8218]

Well,

Give it some time.

Maybe Apple can automate the process so that IOS just work on the Mac by 
default.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Yep. Well said.

Sent from my iPhone





On May 21, 2021, at 3:26 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Well,

There was too much hype and not very many results.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

True enough, but I kind of feel like Apple reneged. I’m sure it was because of 
pressure from some developer, but still.

Donna






On May 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, those of us who have the new M1 Macs are early adopters so I hope this 
improves.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Hi Les,

 

For me, that has been a huge disappointment in the M1 Macs, particularly after 
watching Apple tout this feature so strongly last fall.  They blocked side 
loading, and very few IOS apps will actually run on the new Macs.

Best,

Donna







On May 21, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,

I read that this can be accomplished. I run many apps on my iPhone and would 
love to do so on my MBA which is coming soon. How does one accomplish this? Do 
you have to download each app from the Apple Store on to the Mac, or is there 
another way this is done? Thanks for the knowledge.

Best,

 

Les

 

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RE: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

[skipper8218]

Well,

There was too much hype and not very many results.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

True enough, but I kind of feel like Apple reneged. I’m sure it was because of 
pressure from some developer, but still.

Donna





On May 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, those of us who have the new M1 Macs are early adopters so I hope this 
improves.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Hi Les,

 

For me, that has been a huge disappointment in the M1 Macs, particularly after 
watching Apple tout this feature so strongly last fall.  They blocked side 
loading, and very few IOS apps will actually run on the new Macs.

Best,

Donna






On May 21, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

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I read that this can be accomplished. I run many apps on my iPhone and would 
love to do so on my MBA which is coming soon. How does one accomplish this? Do 
you have to download each app from the Apple Store on to the Mac, or is there 
another way this is done? Thanks for the knowledge.

Best,

 

Les

 

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RE: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

[skipper8218]

Well, those of us who have the new M1 Macs are early adopters so I hope this 
improves.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Hi Les,

 

For me, that has been a huge disappointment in the M1 Macs, particularly after 
watching Apple tout this feature so strongly last fall.  They blocked side 
loading, and very few IOS apps will actually run on the new Macs.

Best,

Donna





On May 21, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

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I read that this can be accomplished. I run many apps on my iPhone and would 
love to do so on my MBA which is coming soon. How does one accomplish this? Do 
you have to download each app from the Apple Store on to the Mac, or is there 
another way this is done? Thanks for the knowledge.

Best,

 

Les

 

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RE: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

[skipper8218]

Hi,

You have to go to the app store and check to see if the app in question works 
with the Mac.

There are tabs for the Mac apps and a tab for the iPhone apps. As you navigate 
to each app, VoiceOver will tell you if the app is compatible with the Mac i.e. 
it will say something like this app is optimized for iPad.

Sometimes, apps that work on the iPhone do not work on the Mac.

I hope more apps become available through catalyst.

I have not seen many accessible apps so far other than what is built in 
natively on the mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Running iPhone Apps on the Mac

 

Hi All,

I read that this can be accomplished. I run many apps on my iPhone and would 
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Best,

 

Les

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RE: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

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Well,
Sometimes, I wait about ten seconds.
If not, command f5 worked.
I just created a user name and password for the Mac and then brought my phone 
to the Mac.
Once I signed into both accounts, everything just works.


-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

That shouldn’t happen.  At least it never did before.
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 10:25 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Command f5 doesn't work?
> I have noticed that VoiceOver doesn't start immediately at the login prompt.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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RE: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

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Command f5 doesn't work?
I have noticed that VoiceOver doesn't start immediately at the login prompt.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:23 AM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

Hi all,

On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like it 
has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t see a 
setting that would address this. Any ideas?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Update on new Mac

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Thanks for the update and glad the iCloud migration is working well.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:27 AM
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Subject: Update on new Mac

Good morning, all,

I’m happy to write with good news.

My new M1 MBA arrived yesterday.  Though I’m not done migrating everything yet, 
all is working well. I actually did migrate data using a newer time machine 
backup, and was greatly relieved when doing that didn’t sabotage Voiceover. But 
I ended up deciding that Brad was right. Even just bringing over files, it 
still brought a bunch of junk with it. So I ended up deleting that user 
account, and just going with the account I’d created when I set up the MBA as a 
new Mac, and migrating everything manually.  Thank goodness for iCloud! :)

This is much more like the Apple experience I’ve come to know and love.
Cheers,
Donna

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National Braille Press Releases New Book on Big Sur

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I look forward to reading this as a supplement.

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

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Thanks.

I’ll give that a try.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:37 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

 

Hello,

In Safari, these commands should also work, though at least in some cases, I 
find that option-uparrow moves me to the top rather than command-uparrow. I'm 
not sure, but it might be that the option-uparrow is for tables.

In terms of option-arrow left/right to move by word and command left/right to 
move end/start of line these will work on web pages unless the web page has 
overwritten the default arrow keys. Even then one can get these to work by 
clicking a checkbox in VoiceOver Utility and then saying "I agree" in a dialog 
box. Specifically, the Always allow keyboard commands to navigate websites in 
the Web area. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On May 10, 2021, at 10:01, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

That depends on what you are doing.

These are text editing commands.  If you are in an edit field, then they should 
perform the function described.

 


- Brad -

 

On May 10, 2021, at 08:54, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?

Thanks.

 

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Hi  Rebecca,

 

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

 

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.

CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.

CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.

CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

 

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.

 

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
for these functions.

Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.

 

- Brad -

 

On May 10, 2021, at 06:39, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

 

 

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RE: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

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Prior to the M1, some VoiceOver users reported serious bugs so I believe that 
no OS is perfect.

Sometimes, the fault lies within a particular app.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

 

I don’t know. In the Windows world, there seems to be a steady influx of bugs 
that some users experience after each update – even minor updates. Have a look 
at
https://www.windowslatest.com

One of my laptops has a Windows 10 installation on it (along with Linux). So 
far, I haven’t run into any of the serious bugs reported on the above site, but 
it appears that, with each update, some people are encountering issues. That 
could encourage them to consider the Mac more closely than they might otherwise 
have done. As noted, though, my Windows 10 installation has been stable. 
Perhaps I’m lucky. There are accessibility bugs in Windows applications, of 
course, but the same is true everywhere.

 

On the other hand, Microsoft seems to be improving the accessibility of Office 
for Mac, so this could also make the Mac increasingly viable for people who 
need Microsoft Office and who use screen readers.

 

The M1 hardware probably attracts some users, too, as you suggest.

On 5/10/21, 09:42, "'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries" 
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I notice a steady stream of new VO-using Mac switchers, and I was just 
wondering what brought them all to the fold in recent times. Is it all about 
Apple Silicon, or are there other developments out there in the Windows world 
that are driving this? Something else, perhaps?

 

Cheers,

Sabahattin

 

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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

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Thanks.

Page bookmarked.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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They’re listed under “Document Shortcuts” on this page:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236

You’ll find a variety of other useful keyboard commands there also.

 

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Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

 

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RE: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

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Actually, you don't have to use a separate sound card on Windows and can do the 
install independently.
The Mac had the accessible installer long before Windows did, however.

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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 5:23 PM
To: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

Matthew



Hi I have been a mac user for years.  I have an el-braille which of corse uses 
windows 10, but I find Mac os to be a much more stable system and you don't 
have to pay for SMA'S to keep your screen reader update. Also, if you need to 
do a fresh instally don't need a seporate sound card to get sound with 
narorator.  The *stall can do be done without sited help to do this.




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> I purchased my M1 MacBook Pro after using Windows since 1995 for the express 
> purpose of leaving Windows and third party screen readers behind. I love Jaws 
> and retired from teaching assistive technology in 2018 in order to go back to 
> my chosen profession.  I still have a seven year old Windows 10 Lenovo that 
> updates. And occasionally I still have to go to it mostly I think because I 
> still have not learned to do a certain task on the Mac. But I learn more 
> every day.
> I do not use Alex and in fact cringe at his voice.  I use Allison on my Mac, 
> iPad and iPhone.
> I love having all four of my devices including my watch on the same 
> environment. If the HomePod was as good as my Alexa was I would have them in 
> every room as well. But they communicate with my Toshiba Fire TV very well so 
> four now I’ll keep them.
> But I hope to never have to purchase another Windows machine or another 
> subscription to Office. I am doing fine with the Mac, voiceover, and their 
> native apps such as pages and mail.
> Merv
>
>
>> On May 10, 2021, at 11:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Well, I like the Alex voice better than JAWS, but my inability to find an 
>> inexpensive OCR app is one reason why I will continue to use Mac and Windows.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:44 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?
>>
>> I originally thought I would be using my 2019 Mac as a Winode’s machine 
>> primarily,  but some things have always appealed to me with the Mac that 
>> make me use it a lot more. First, I can use the Siri Voice for VO on the Mac 
>> and phone. I cannot with jaws. Second, iMessaging on the Mac is convenient 
>> and I can paste stuff from it into other documents which has come in handy. 
>> The Mac has improved sound quality even compared to Window’s on Bootcamp. 
>> Mac Mail is the best, and I love being able to take Phone  and FaceTime 
>> calls n my Mac allowing me to multi-task.
>>
>>> On May 10, 2021, at 08:44, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not a Windows switcher so to speak.
>>> I will continue to use both operating systems, but I was interested in the 
>>> ability to use IOS apps on the Mac.
>>> Sadly, there are not as many as I'd like, but I can at least play swift 
>>> playgrounds and enjoy a consistent interface, a responsive system, and 
>>> great VoiceOver support for native apps.
>>> Catalyst apps leave a lot to be desired.
>>> Curiosity got me into the Mac world.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:42 AM
>>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?
>>>
>>> I notice a steady stream of new VO-using Mac switchers, and I was just 
>>> wondering what brought them all to the fold in recent times. Is it all 
>>> about Apple Silicon, or are there other developments out there in the 
>>> Windows world that are driving this? Something else, perhaps?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sabahattin
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RE: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

[skipper8218]

Well, I like the Alex voice better than JAWS, but my inability to find an 
inexpensive OCR app is one reason why I will continue to use Mac and Windows.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

I originally thought I would be using my 2019 Mac as a Winode’s machine 
primarily,  but some things have always appealed to me with the Mac that make 
me use it a lot more. First, I can use the Siri Voice for VO on the Mac and 
phone. I cannot with jaws. Second, iMessaging on the Mac is convenient and I 
can paste stuff from it into other documents which has come in handy. The Mac 
has improved sound quality even compared to Window’s on Bootcamp. Mac Mail is 
the best, and I love being able to take Phone  and FaceTime calls n my Mac 
allowing me to multi-task. 

> On May 10, 2021, at 08:44, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I am not a Windows switcher so to speak.
> I will continue to use both operating systems, but I was interested in the 
> ability to use IOS apps on the Mac.
> Sadly, there are not as many as I'd like, but I can at least play swift 
> playgrounds and enjoy a consistent interface, a responsive system, and great 
> VoiceOver support for native apps.
> Catalyst apps leave a lot to be desired.
> Curiosity got me into the Mac world.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:42 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?
> 
> I notice a steady stream of new VO-using Mac switchers, and I was just 
> wondering what brought them all to the fold in recent times. Is it all about 
> Apple Silicon, or are there other developments out there in the Windows world 
> that are driving this? Something else, perhaps?
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

 

That depends on what you are doing.

These are text editing commands.  If you are in an edit field, then they should 
perform the function described.

 


- Brad -

 

On May 10, 2021, at 08:54, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?

Thanks.

 

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

 

Hi  Rebecca,

 

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

 

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.

CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.

CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.

CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

 

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.

 

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
for these functions.

Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.

 

- Brad -

 

On May 10, 2021, at 06:39, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

 

 

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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

 

Hi  Rebecca,

 

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

 

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.

CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.

CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.

CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

 

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.

 

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
for these functions.

Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.

 

- Brad -

 

On May 10, 2021, at 06:39, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

 

 

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RE: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

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I am not a Windows switcher so to speak.
I will continue to use both operating systems, but I was interested in the 
ability to use IOS apps on the Mac.
Sadly, there are not as many as I'd like, but I can at least play swift 
playgrounds and enjoy a consistent interface, a responsive system, and great 
VoiceOver support for native apps.
Catalyst apps leave a lot to be desired.
Curiosity got me into the Mac world.

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From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:42 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Mac's Appeal to New Switchers?

I notice a steady stream of new VO-using Mac switchers, and I was just 
wondering what brought them all to the fold in recent times. Is it all about 
Apple Silicon, or are there other developments out there in the Windows world 
that are driving this? Something else, perhaps?

Cheers,
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Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

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Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page
up and page down using the Mac's keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

 

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RE: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

[skipper8218]

Here is a good article from NV Access explaining why third party screen readers 
cannot run on Windows S or any Mobile version of windows.

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/why-cant-nvda-run-on-windows-10-mobile-and-windows-10-s/

I’ve decided that it is not worth investigating or running a Virtual Windows 
Machine on my M1. 

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 4:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: Mike Arrigo 
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

 


Hi,

There is one caveat to all this. No Windows screen reader is yet compiled to 
run on Arm architecture, unless NVDA is compiled to do so?

Rajiv
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From: maurice mines mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com> >
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Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net> >
Sent: Sun, 09 May 2021 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Instructions for Running Windows on M1 Machines

hello again, I just realized something I should've also disclosed
that I'm not running in M1 machine but I him running it in the
configuration that is required if one were to be running the sun
and in M1 machine that is simply that you must be running it in a
virtual machine configuration. No more boot camp. I hope this
further disclaimer clarifies things.

Please be aware that my last message is disclaimers still apply
to this message as well.

On 5/9/2021 7:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:



Wonder if screen readers will work with this version of Windows.

On May 7, 2021, at 9:11 AM,   
   
wrote:

Hi,
This article has step by step instructions for downloading Windows onto the new 
M1 Macs.
It requires an Arm based version of Windows, Parallels, and a Windows Insider 
registration.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/03/the-super-easy-guide-for-installing-windows-on-m1-macs-using-parallels-desktop-16-for-mac-video/
I’ve decided that it is probably best for me not to put two operating systems 
on the same machine.

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RE: Changing Message Threading in the Mail App on Mac

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Thanks.

Very helpful.

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 9:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing Message Threading in the Mail App on Mac

 

Hi Rebecca,

 

You can disable message threading in the Mac’s Mail app by doing the following:

1.  Go to the Menu Bar > View.

2.  navigate to the item labeled "Organize by Conversation”, and press Enter or 
VO + Spacebar to uncheck this item.

 

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Hi,

Is it possible to read individual messages separately?

I would prefer not to use threading in the mail app.

However, I like the Mac’s mail app better than Outlook in all platforms.

Thanks.

 

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RE: Changing Message Threading in the Mail App on Mac

[skipper8218]

Okay, so when focus is on the message, right arrow instead of pressing enter, 
right?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing Message Threading in the Mail App on Mac

 

Actually, it is possible to read each message in a thread individually. Just 
right arrow on the thread and go down the list. I like threading for lists like 
this where everyone (including yours truly) floods your inbox.





On May 8, 2021, at 20:41, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Hi Rebecca,

 

You can disable message threading in the Mac’s Mail app by doing the following:

1.  Go to the Menu Bar > View.

2.  navigate to the item labeled "Organize by Conversation”, and press Enter or 
VO + Spacebar to uncheck this item.

 

- Brad -

 

On May 8, 2021, at 19:30, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

Is it possible to read individual messages separately?

I would prefer not to use threading in the mail app.

However, I like the Mac’s mail app better than Outlook in all platforms.

Thanks.

 

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Changing Message Threading in the Mail App on Mac

[skipper8218]

Hi,

Is it possible to read individual messages separately?

I would prefer not to use threading in the mail app.

However, I like the Mac's mail app better than Outlook in all platforms.

Thanks.

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RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

[skipper8218]

I understand.
I once wiped an external hard drive with irreplaceable files so understand.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 7:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

Oh my choice has nothing to do with adaptive technology.
I dare say I would be doing this regardless, because of past experiences.
Due to a flood in my apartment at the time, my first and only off the self 
computer  got damaged.
when I returned it to the location, they wiped my drive..by mistake. 
cost me  some critical irreplaceable files, even though I was using external 
backup sources even then.
Still, I promised myself that I would never have such an important machine to  
my professional life without knowing firmly what was in the case, and using 
talent who could insure that continued.



On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

> I understand.
> I haven't had the need to get PC's customized since I started purchasing them 
> myself, but the only Assistive Technology I need are a screen reader, Braille 
> display, and a keyboard with an insert key.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 6:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>
> Personally? I preface my answer in this way, because there are many answers 
> to the process.
> I, however, find the talent, and compensate them as they desire.  My current  
> resource is a former IBM employee who currently works for AMd, the company 
> who  makes processors and the like.
> Because some of my hardware needs are unique, they build my pc machines from 
> scratch..but that is me.
> Its worth it for me because my pcs are tools more than toys, so over the 
> years I have found people with the skill set.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, how do you customize your system?
>> Just curious.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:47 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>
>> Fair enough, at least if one uses an off the self PC.  Perhaps one reason 
>> why  I have personally had my computers custom built for decades smiles.
>> Kare
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> True, but I think the main difference between Mac and the PC is that 
>>> PC manufacturers have extra bloatware.
>>> The author makes a great point about how doing a clean install may 
>>> be faster than spending hours troubleshooting.
>>> Both Windows and Macs have the ability to detect settings from other 
>>> machines on the network i.e. Mac from other Apple devices and 
>>> Windows from other Windows machines.
>>> Therefore, the setup isn't as bad as it used to be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 4:24 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>>
>>> Certainly, it documents a preference, not a standard.  Including the 
>>> author stating they have not done it themselves regularly on their macbook.
>>> is it a fine choice for some?  To be sure.  Is it a recommendation 
>>> from professionals? no.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Rebecca,

 While this article is about 7 years old, it certainly explains why 
 wiping
>>> your drive, and reloading the OS may be a good idea for routine 
>>> system health.
 The article also makes it clear why I recommend making a clean 
 start when
>>> setting up a new machine.

 - Brad -


 On May 7, 2021, at 12:50,  
 
>>> wrote:

 Hi,
 I understand why Brad recommends the clean install, and this 
 article
>>> points out the advantages for Windows and Mac.
 However, I usually only reinstall Windows every few years and am so 
 new to
>>> the Mac that I can't tell you if I will ever do a complete reinstall 
>>> of the OS.
 https://lifehacker.com/in-defense-of-the-clean-install-1726140915
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
 Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:19 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

 brad,
 Would you provide two objective sources to document your claim  that
 starting   clean is  what professionals recommend?
 Objective sources would include wire magazine for example.
 If this were industry standard, the concept of backups and 
 restorations
>>> would not be incorporated 

RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

[skipper8218]

I understand.
I haven't had the need to get PC's customized since I started purchasing them 
myself, but the only Assistive Technology I need are a screen reader, Braille 
display, and a keyboard with an insert key.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 6:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

Personally? I preface my answer in this way, because there are many answers to 
the process.
I, however, find the talent, and compensate them as they desire.  My current  
resource is a former IBM employee who currently works for AMd, the company who  
makes processors and the like.
Because some of my hardware needs are unique, they build my pc machines from 
scratch..but that is me.
Its worth it for me because my pcs are tools more than toys, so over the years 
I have found people with the skill set.



On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay, how do you customize your system?
> Just curious.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>
> Fair enough, at least if one uses an off the self PC.  Perhaps one reason why 
>  I have personally had my computers custom built for decades smiles.
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> True, but I think the main difference between Mac and the PC is that 
>> PC manufacturers have extra bloatware.
>> The author makes a great point about how doing a clean install may be 
>> faster than spending hours troubleshooting.
>> Both Windows and Macs have the ability to detect settings from other 
>> machines on the network i.e. Mac from other Apple devices and Windows 
>> from other Windows machines.
>> Therefore, the setup isn't as bad as it used to be.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 4:24 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>
>> Certainly, it documents a preference, not a standard.  Including the 
>> author stating they have not done it themselves regularly on their macbook.
>> is it a fine choice for some?  To be sure.  Is it a recommendation 
>> from professionals? no.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rebecca,
>>>
>>> While this article is about 7 years old, it certainly explains why 
>>> wiping
>> your drive, and reloading the OS may be a good idea for routine 
>> system health.
>>> The article also makes it clear why I recommend making a clean start 
>>> when
>> setting up a new machine.
>>>
>>> - Brad -
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2021, at 12:50,  
>>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I understand why Brad recommends the clean install, and this article
>> points out the advantages for Windows and Mac.
>>> However, I usually only reinstall Windows every few years and am so 
>>> new to
>> the Mac that I can't tell you if I will ever do a complete reinstall 
>> of the OS.
>>> https://lifehacker.com/in-defense-of-the-clean-install-1726140915
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:19 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>>
>>> brad,
>>> Would you provide two objective sources to document your claim  that
>>> starting   clean is  what professionals recommend?
>>> Objective sources would include wire magazine for example.
>>> If this were industry standard, the concept of backups and 
>>> restorations
>> would not be incorporated into systems, speaking personally.
>>> So, kindly document that this is, as you say, a professional   standard,
>>> with  objective published sources if you do not mind?
>>> speaking personally, it counters  the professionals I have worked 
>>> with for
>> years, but I am willing to learn from published sources.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>
 Hi Donna,

 I am keeping my fingers crossed in the hope that you will have 
 better
>> luck with your exchanged MacBook Air.
 I am confident that you will have better luck setting up the new 
 machine
>> as a new computer than doing a restoration from a Time Machine backup.
 As I said before, starting clean is the recommended way to go by 
 most IT
>> professionals.
 I don’t think some people understand that doing a 
 restoration from
>> a Time Machine backup is different than using Time Machine to 
>> transfer files and other data from a backup.
 When restoring from a Time Machine backup, you are essentially 
 wiping the
>> destination machine, and 

RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

[skipper8218]

It is certainly one of the things I like about the Mac.
Honestly, I have a better appreciation for the advantages and disadvantages of 
IOS, Windows, and the Mac.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 6:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

That is wonderful, I am happy for you.
Yet another Apple feather is it not?
I Imagine for braille users, that kind of ease of connection  would be life 
changing.



On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh, it is so much easier to connect a Braille display to the Mac once 
> VoiceOver is on.
> All I have to do is connect the Braille display to the USBC port using an 
> adapter.
> I don't have to install drivers or use Bluetooth.
> The Braille display just works.
> It is so much easier than Windows or IOS.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>
> Fair enough, at least if one uses an off the self PC.  Perhaps one reason why 
>  I have personally had my computers custom built for decades smiles.
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> True, but I think the main difference between Mac and the PC is that PC
>> manufacturers have extra bloatware.
>> The author makes a great point about how doing a clean install may be faster
>> than spending hours troubleshooting.
>> Both Windows and Macs have the ability to detect settings from other
>> machines on the network i.e. Mac from other Apple devices and Windows from
>> other Windows machines.
>> Therefore, the setup isn't as bad as it used to be.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 4:24 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>
>> Certainly, it documents a preference, not a standard.  Including the author
>> stating they have not done it themselves regularly on their macbook.
>> is it a fine choice for some?  To be sure.  Is it a recommendation from
>> professionals? no.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rebecca,
>>>
>>> While this article is about 7 years old, it certainly explains why wiping
>> your drive, and reloading the OS may be a good idea for routine system
>> health.
>>> The article also makes it clear why I recommend making a clean start when
>> setting up a new machine.
>>>
>>> - Brad -
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2021, at 12:50,  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I understand why Brad recommends the clean install, and this article
>> points out the advantages for Windows and Mac.
>>> However, I usually only reinstall Windows every few years and am so new to
>> the Mac that I can't tell you if I will ever do a complete reinstall of the
>> OS.
>>> https://lifehacker.com/in-defense-of-the-clean-install-1726140915
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:19 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>>
>>> brad,
>>> Would you provide two objective sources to document your claim  that
>>> starting   clean is  what professionals recommend?
>>> Objective sources would include wire magazine for example.
>>> If this were industry standard, the concept of backups and restorations
>> would not be incorporated into systems, speaking personally.
>>> So, kindly document that this is, as you say, a professional   standard,
>>> with  objective published sources if you do not mind?
>>> speaking personally, it counters  the professionals I have worked with for
>> years, but I am willing to learn from published sources.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>>
 Hi Donna,

 I am keeping my fingers crossed in the hope that you will have better
>> luck with your exchanged MacBook Air.
 I am confident that you will have better luck setting up the new machine
>> as a new computer than doing a restoration from a Time Machine backup.
 As I said before, starting clean is the recommended way to go by most IT
>> professionals.
 I don’t think some people understand that doing a restoration from
>> a Time Machine backup is different than using Time Machine to transfer files
>> and other data from a backup.
 When restoring from a Time Machine backup, you are essentially wiping the
>> destination machine, and essentially cloning the old machine onto the new
>> machine.  this transfers all the settings and configurations from the old
>> machine to the new one.
 When considering that the M1 Macs are very different 

RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

[skipper8218]

Oh, it is so much easier to connect a Braille display to the Mac once VoiceOver 
is on.
All I have to do is connect the Braille display to the USBC port using an 
adapter.
I don't have to install drivers or use Bluetooth.
The Braille display just works.
It is so much easier than Windows or IOS.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

Fair enough, at least if one uses an off the self PC.  Perhaps one reason why  
I have personally had my computers custom built for decades smiles.
Kare



On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

> True, but I think the main difference between Mac and the PC is that PC
> manufacturers have extra bloatware.
> The author makes a great point about how doing a clean install may be faster
> than spending hours troubleshooting.
> Both Windows and Macs have the ability to detect settings from other
> machines on the network i.e. Mac from other Apple devices and Windows from
> other Windows machines.
> Therefore, the setup isn't as bad as it used to be.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 4:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>
> Certainly, it documents a preference, not a standard.  Including the author
> stating they have not done it themselves regularly on their macbook.
> is it a fine choice for some?  To be sure.  Is it a recommendation from
> professionals? no.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rebecca,
>>
>> While this article is about 7 years old, it certainly explains why wiping
> your drive, and reloading the OS may be a good idea for routine system
> health.
>> The article also makes it clear why I recommend making a clean start when
> setting up a new machine.
>>
>> - Brad -
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2021, at 12:50,  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I understand why Brad recommends the clean install, and this article
> points out the advantages for Windows and Mac.
>> However, I usually only reinstall Windows every few years and am so new to
> the Mac that I can't tell you if I will ever do a complete reinstall of the
> OS.
>> https://lifehacker.com/in-defense-of-the-clean-install-1726140915
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:19 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>
>> brad,
>> Would you provide two objective sources to document your claim  that
>> starting   clean is  what professionals recommend?
>> Objective sources would include wire magazine for example.
>> If this were industry standard, the concept of backups and restorations
> would not be incorporated into systems, speaking personally.
>> So, kindly document that this is, as you say, a professional   standard,
>> with  objective published sources if you do not mind?
>> speaking personally, it counters  the professionals I have worked with for
> years, but I am willing to learn from published sources.
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>
>>> I am keeping my fingers crossed in the hope that you will have better
> luck with your exchanged MacBook Air.
>>> I am confident that you will have better luck setting up the new machine
> as a new computer than doing a restoration from a Time Machine backup.
>>> As I said before, starting clean is the recommended way to go by most IT
> professionals.
>>> I don’t think some people understand that doing a restoration from
> a Time Machine backup is different than using Time Machine to transfer files
> and other data from a backup.
>>> When restoring from a Time Machine backup, you are essentially wiping the
> destination machine, and essentially cloning the old machine onto the new
> machine.  this transfers all the settings and configurations from the old
> machine to the new one.
>>> When considering that the M1 Macs are very different internally from the
> older Intel based Macs, this opens the door to a lot of compatibility
> conflicts, which I believe is at the root of the problems you have
> experienced with your new M1 MacBook Air.
>>>
>>> Please let me know how it goes with your exchanged machine.
>>>
>>> - Brad -
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2021, at 08:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brad,
>>>
>>> That makes two of us!  I know the works out of the box thing is setting
> the bar kind of high, but even so, this one really takes the cake.  The
> thing that most irritates me about all this, is that when I googled the
> error message about not having an available user for authorization, it was
> all over the internet.  I followed the steps exactly 

RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

[skipper8218]

Okay, how do you customize your system?
Just curious.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA

Fair enough, at least if one uses an off the self PC.  Perhaps one reason why  
I have personally had my computers custom built for decades smiles.
Kare



On Sat, 8 May 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

> True, but I think the main difference between Mac and the PC is that PC
> manufacturers have extra bloatware.
> The author makes a great point about how doing a clean install may be faster
> than spending hours troubleshooting.
> Both Windows and Macs have the ability to detect settings from other
> machines on the network i.e. Mac from other Apple devices and Windows from
> other Windows machines.
> Therefore, the setup isn't as bad as it used to be.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 4:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>
> Certainly, it documents a preference, not a standard.  Including the author
> stating they have not done it themselves regularly on their macbook.
> is it a fine choice for some?  To be sure.  Is it a recommendation from
> professionals? no.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rebecca,
>>
>> While this article is about 7 years old, it certainly explains why wiping
> your drive, and reloading the OS may be a good idea for routine system
> health.
>> The article also makes it clear why I recommend making a clean start when
> setting up a new machine.
>>
>> - Brad -
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2021, at 12:50,  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I understand why Brad recommends the clean install, and this article
> points out the advantages for Windows and Mac.
>> However, I usually only reinstall Windows every few years and am so new to
> the Mac that I can't tell you if I will ever do a complete reinstall of the
> OS.
>> https://lifehacker.com/in-defense-of-the-clean-install-1726140915
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:19 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Would love to hear from anyone who owns an M1 MBA
>>
>> brad,
>> Would you provide two objective sources to document your claim  that
>> starting   clean is  what professionals recommend?
>> Objective sources would include wire magazine for example.
>> If this were industry standard, the concept of backups and restorations
> would not be incorporated into systems, speaking personally.
>> So, kindly document that this is, as you say, a professional   standard,
>> with  objective published sources if you do not mind?
>> speaking personally, it counters  the professionals I have worked with for
> years, but I am willing to learn from published sources.
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 May 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>
>>> I am keeping my fingers crossed in the hope that you will have better
> luck with your exchanged MacBook Air.
>>> I am confident that you will have better luck setting up the new machine
> as a new computer than doing a restoration from a Time Machine backup.
>>> As I said before, starting clean is the recommended way to go by most IT
> professionals.
>>> I don’t think some people understand that doing a restoration from
> a Time Machine backup is different than using Time Machine to transfer files
> and other data from a backup.
>>> When restoring from a Time Machine backup, you are essentially wiping the
> destination machine, and essentially cloning the old machine onto the new
> machine.  this transfers all the settings and configurations from the old
> machine to the new one.
>>> When considering that the M1 Macs are very different internally from the
> older Intel based Macs, this opens the door to a lot of compatibility
> conflicts, which I believe is at the root of the problems you have
> experienced with your new M1 MacBook Air.
>>>
>>> Please let me know how it goes with your exchanged machine.
>>>
>>> - Brad -
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2021, at 08:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brad,
>>>
>>> That makes two of us!  I know the works out of the box thing is setting
> the bar kind of high, but even so, this one really takes the cake.  The
> thing that most irritates me about all this, is that when I googled the
> error message about not having an available user for authorization, it was
> all over the internet.  I followed the steps exactly as described at Apple
> Support, and there was no mention of the possibility of receiving that error
> there.  Had there been, I probably wouldn't have tried to erase and
> reinstall.  Apple really should include that in their instructions, and

RE: Requesting Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut List and Shortcut Keys for Checking Battery Status and Getting to the Doc

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

I am using the latest version of Big sir.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 2:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Requesting Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut List and Shortcut Keys for 
Checking Battery Status and Getting to the Doc

 

Rebecca,

 

You should be able to check battery status in the Menu Extras area.  On my 
MacBook Pro, a battery item was there by default.

When using macOS Catalina, and earlier versions of macOS, you can set a 
VoiceOver Hotspot that you can use to read the battery status with a VoiceOver 
keyboard command by doing the following:

1.  Go to the Menu Extras area, and put VoiceOver focus on the Battery level 
item.

2.  Now, Use VO + Shift, and a number on the NumberRow, to set a VoiceOver 
Hotspot.

3. Once set, you can press VO + the NumberRow key you selected to read the 
battery status.

 

>From my experience, this does not work when running macOS Big Sur.

 

HTH.


- Brad -

 

On May 8, 2021, at 12:46, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

Is there a BRF file with Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut Keys?

What is   the quickest way to get to the Doc and check battery status?

I am new to the Mac.

I memorized command shift a to get to the applications folder, command shift I 
to get to iCloud, VO M to get to menues, and interacting.

Thanks.

 

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RE: Requesting Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut List and Shortcut Keys for Checking Battery Status and Getting to the Doc

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

I took the Month with the Mac course and the VoiceOver tutorial, but I forgot 
some of the keystrokes.

Thanks for the helpful info.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Kathryn Zodrow
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Requesting Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut List and Shortcut Keys for 
Checking Battery Status and Getting to the Doc

 

Hi.

There is no braille file that I know of in brf format  that has a list of 
voiceover shortcut keys.  However, I think the best way to learn voiceover is 
to use the interactive QuickStart tutorial that comes with your Mac. you can 
get to the tutorial by holding down control option command and pressing F8. if 
you’re using a laptop, the function key is the furthest key on the bottom row 
on the left side next to the control key. The Quickstart tutorial will 
definitely help you learn voiceover quickly and will give you a good start with 
learning how to use your new Mac. To get to the dock, you hold down The 
voiceover keys control an option then press D. To check battery status, you can 
go to the status menu by holding down the voice over keys and pressing M twice 
until you hear status menus. Then go down with VO down arrow until you find 
battery. Then it will say how much battery has been used or if your battery is 
fully charged.

Hope this is helpful. :-)

Katie

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RE: Requesting Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut List and Shortcut Keys for Checking Battery Status and Getting to the Doc

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

I appreciate your help with this.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 2:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Requesting Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut List and Shortcut Keys for 
Checking Battery Status and Getting to the Doc

 

Hi,

 

To go to the doc, use VO-d.  A long time ago, someone created a script to check 
battery status.  That is what I use.  I'll look around to see if I still have 
the original file.

Cheers,

Donna

 





On May 8, 2021, at 12:46 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

Is there a BRF file with Mac and VoiceOver Shortcut Keys?

What is   the quickest way to get to the Doc and check battery status?

I am new to the Mac.

I memorized command shift a to get to the applications folder, command shift I 
to get to iCloud, VO M to get to menues, and interacting.

Thanks.

 

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