Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

Yes I have had bad fuel problems,at the,start of winter. I use,Diesel Treat. My diesel-300CD is under cover for now. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Dec 29, 2017 8:41 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" wrote: > I've apparently had some summer fuel foisted on me. I've been

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

Your block heater doesn't seem to work. If it did the car would start easily. Start by making sure the cable isn't munched. Just follow it to where it plugs in, damage will be obvious. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via

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I've apparently had some summer fuel foisted on me. I've been using a new place that only recently started carrying diesel. We picked up my car yesterday after getting a new front wheel bearing and it couldn't get out of it's own way. That was at about 0F, it started okay but had zero power.

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it helps. That is part one of a two stage glow. The second is to glow until the light goes off...or a bit longer, but before the relay times out. Mitch Haley via Mercedes December 29, 2017 at 12:36 PM I wonder what a single long glow would do. Turn it to 'on',

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BTDT. That was literally and figuratively a non-starter. On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:36:01 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I wonder what a single long glow would do. > >

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On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:36:01 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > I wonder what a single long glow would do. > Turn it to 'on', wait until the relay clunks off, then turn it to > start. Of course, it helps if you can hear the relay... You can watch the interior

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I wonder what a single long glow would do. Turn it to 'on', wait until the relay clunks off, then turn it to start. Of course, it helps if you can hear the relay... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

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Kurley wouldn't last a day here. 20 above, but it's damp cold that only those who live inside the beltway can deal with. Seriously - I did attempt a triple glow start this morning, sans the block heater. Voila - started much more easily than yesterday with a preheated engine. My Achilles Heel

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I never had to do more than a double glow, and it is only needed below 10 below. (Assuming the engine, battery and GP systems are in good condition) I doubt it is that cold in Andrewland! ADCHUST DER FALFES! (Deutz Engine Instructor) REPLACE THE FUSE (Herr Doktor Booth) Kaleb C.

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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes December 28, 2017 at 9:05 PM Thanks - good questions. Primer as the updated black cap. GOOD If fuse were bad it would not start Period. Same with the gp relay - would turn but wouldn't fire. WRONG Might need a valve adjustment

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Me neither Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yes I never had to do the triple glow,with my OM 602. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Dec 28, 2017 10:25 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < >

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Yes I never had to do the triple glow,with my OM 602. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Dec 28, 2017 10:25 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That’s how I have always done it years back in the 61x cars. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:11 PM,

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That’s how I have always done it years back in the 61x cars. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to > start. Has worked,great for me. > > Dwight

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Ok we are waiting. Northern cold forces us to deal creatively with winter diesels. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Dec 28, 2017 10:12 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" wrote: > OMG sheer genius. I will report back tomorrow come what may. > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:11 PM,

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OMG sheer genius. I will report back tomorrow come what may. On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to > start. Has worked,great for me. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI

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Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to start. Has worked,great for me. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Dec 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Thanks - good questions. > > Primer as the updated black cap. > > If

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

Thanks - good questions. Primer as the updated black cap. If fuse were bad it would not start Period. Same with the gp relay - would turn but wouldn't fire. Might need a valve adjustment I do a lot of stop and go driving. Maybe this has hastened the valve clearance tightening? Battery is

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> On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows air in so > the injection pump looses it's prime. ;-) Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock

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Well, if he still has a Die Easy battery, we know the battery is weak. Dimitri via Mercedes December 28, 2017 at 7:07 PM The plugs are wired in parallel so if one fails the others will work but starting will get more difficult. When was the last time your valves

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

Try afterglow. It was enabled in the later 603/6 engines. cut the violet wire in the small cable to the glow relay. That will enable the afterglow. On the push pull glow, I always disconnected the cable form the IP and put in a separate shutoff. That way on really cold days you could

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The plugs are wired in parallel so if one fails the others will work but starting will get more difficult. When was the last time your valves were adjusted? What is the condition of your battery and charging system? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via

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I never had any trouble down to 0 to -10. BUT I was always careful to get winter fuel. One time a truck stop foisted summer fuel on me without notice. That caused problems because it was way cold. Once I got enough kerosene mixed with it all was well, but since I had filled, I had to put

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows air in so the injection pump looses it's prime. ;-) I'd start with the preglow system as already discussed, keep this idea in mind if that route doesn't solve the issue. Valves adjusted recently? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC

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Andrew sez: >Question: Does this sound like a glow >plug issue?‎ GP or relay. I just changed out a relay in my son's 123. ‎ Have you set the valves? Proper valve clearance is essential to cold weather starting.  >Do the plugs wear out or simply fail?‎ Yes. Short out on carbon, or open from

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> Andrew wrote: > On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started > when the temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being > plugged into the block heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple > glows and attempts before I can get it fired up. Once I get it > started the engine runs

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hio 95 E300D 85 300CD 82 300D 81 VW Rabbit Pickup 2002 BMW 525i -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 4:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs? On my W123 300TD, I am ha

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

Yes, it will make it harder to start the car if one plug is bad. IIRC, the engine will run rough for a bit until that cylinder gets warm enough to fire. If yours is running smoothly from moment it finally starts, then I don't think it's a single (or two) glow plug issue. Either a bad plug relay or

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

starting issue - glow plugs? On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the triple glow. I had M1 in the engine and always used anti-gel from December-March. Dwight Giles Wickford R! Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My 78 240D

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My 78 240D started easily until it got cold even if plugged in. Then it refused even w/new GPs.  Ended up having low compression but it gave me the "opportunity" to completely rebuild the engine.  I still think about that rebuild with pride.  Gave me 30,000miles + of trouble free driving

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I had 1 bad plug in a 240d and it would not start at all Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > My question was whether one bad GP would make it harder to start the car > than with 5 good ones. Two bad ones? But

Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

Quite possible too! I've had several bad GP relays. If the GPs test good, and you HAVE replaced the fuse, (and the new fuse does not blow the first time you try to glow) and it is still no start, then it is likely the relay is bad. Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

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My question was whether one bad GP would make it harder to start the car than with 5 good ones. Two bad ones? But your point is taken - I will test them all once it gets a little warmer. On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > As I recall

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Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 1:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs? On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being

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As I recall you posted that you may have bad GPs several weeks ago. Id you did then, you certainly do now. Test them and find out. it is not hard. Pull the pug at the GP realy and check ohms to ground in all 5 pins with inserts. I'd bet you have at least 2 with infinite resistance.. Wear

[MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were preheated.