MMM wrote:
> I think I paid $4.99 for four bulbs at Lowes, and the spotlight was about
> $9 or so?
...and... all chinee
chinee is always too expensive for me.
mao
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> Good point, have you made up a handy chart of incandescent watts vs
> lumens? ;)
There isn't one. That is, there isn't _one_, though there may be many.
There is a general industry average for commodity bulbs, because there is a
general industry _lifetime_ rating. Lots of variability, thoug
>
> I'm satisfied that not only are we saving money from the lower electrical
> consumption, but also from far less heat being generated and the additional
> load on the HVAC to remove it.
For us, however, with an all-electric house, excepting the summer months
(when we need a lot less lighting a
Absolutely.
That's why I swapped out all the PAR floodlights in the kitchen. Not only were
they inefficient and had to be replaced regularly, but they presented a pretty
significant heat load.
I'm satisfied that not only are we saving money from the lower electrical
consumption, but also from
I think I paid $4.99 for four bulbs at Lowes, and the spotlight was about
$9 or so?
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> So how much are LED light bulbs? I need to start switching over I guess.
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 8:44 PM, M. Mitchell M
So how much are LED light bulbs? I need to start switching over I guess.
On 9/20/2016 8:44 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
One thing I like about the LED bulbs: No heat. My bedroom/office used to
get rather stuffy with three 60 watt incandescent bulbs in the ceiling fan
fixture. W
One thing I like about the LED bulbs: No heat. My bedroom/office used to
get rather stuffy with three 60 watt incandescent bulbs in the ceiling fan
fixture. With three LED bulbs, things stay nice and cool...
In my workshop, I installed one of those y-shaped two bulb fixtures in the
bottom of th
Good point, have you made up a handy chart of incandescent watts vs lumens? ;)
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On September 20, 2016 4:59:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes
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>What any of us care about is lumens and/or watts.
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are 400 or 500 lumen and I wanted something
less bright.
-Curt
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> I had a 100w equivalent CFL
> 75w equivalent LED
RANT
Those number a
> I had a 100w equivalent CFL
> 75w equivalent LED
RANT
Those number are useless. And pointless.
What any of us care about is lumens and/or watts. Since there is
no standard for "equivalent" I see really goofy numbers like 500 l
listed as a "60W equivalent" - and the 60 W incandescent lamp
ith an LED. Interestingly that one has lasted
a looong time with a cheap CFL where incandescent bulbs used to burn out pretty
quick.
-Curt
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>
> That is a pretty good idea. I installed a set of those for my mother in her
> garage. She has a work bench and wanted some light. I forgot that I have
> tube
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That is a pretty good idea. I installed a set of those for my mother in her
garage. She has a work bench and wanted some light. I forgot that I have tube
lights in my basement that take forever to fire up. The LED
ch smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the
>> basement. I'd still replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
>> -Curt
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> I think so too. I barely touch the tube and it comes on. I'd like to hear
> an EE's or physicists explanation of the electronics involved.
Electric fields. Fluorescent tubes are basically insulators when cold, one
of the jobs of the ballast/starter system is to induce a very high voltage,
en
Humidity in air conditioned house is 56 percent. I cleaned the tubes and
tombstones with Deoxit, and I barely touch the glass. Also, it does it on both
tubes. Mechanical/corroded contacts was my first thought too.
Gerry
Curley McLain wrote:
> You like
I think so too. I barely touch the tube and it comes on. I'd like to hear an
EE's or physicists explanation of the electronics involved.
Gerry
> It's an easy test, use an insulator to poke it next time. A glass?
>
> My money's on an electrical effect, not mechanical.
>
> -- Jim
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> On September 19, 2016 at 4:08 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth of
> LED tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.
It's worth my life to stay out of Costco.
Erik Scott was murdered by a Las Vegas cop who got all t
Recent fluorescent tube fixtures require correct phasing of the white
(neutral) and black (hot) wires as well as a grounded fixture. There is
some capacitive effect between the bulb and the fixture case that enables
the light to start. If you get this wrong, starting will be unreliable, to
say th
e the tubes with LED tubes though...
-Curt
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2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assem
Exactly my thoughts, which is why I asked about the lamps.
Dan
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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
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> So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth of LED
> tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.
>
> --FT
>
>
>> On 9
Right. And these (direct wire, no ballast) are the kind I would want, as I have
no idea if my ballasts are good or not.
Dan
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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
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>
> I know of two kinds of LED replacement tubes:
> One kind needs the ballast to
Thanks, Rick!
Dan
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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
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> Dan inquires:
>
> >Does anyone have a source for >just the lamps? I don't recall what >they
> cost
>
> Any big box home improvement store. Around ten bucks a tube.
>
> http://m.
So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth of
LED tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.
--FT
On 9/19/16 3:45 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
Dan inquires:
>Does anyone have a source for >just the lamps? I don't recall what >they
cost
Any big box home imp
I know of two kinds of LED replacement tubes:
One kind needs the ballast to run, so they're not a fix for a dead ballast but
you don't have to rewire.
The other kind runs on straight 120v, so you bypass the ballast and you need
non-shunted bulbholders/tombstones. After that, no more worries about
> I've been paying $5 each for Sylvania 800 lumen LEDs at our local hardware
> store, replacing the cheap curly CFLs that I never really liked.
How about Philips for $11 per 6pack?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-60W-Equivalent-Soft-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-455949/206526847
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I really want some of those for my garage, as I'm tired of replacing bulbs and
hassling with ballasts that puke after 3-4 years. Someone was talking about
just doing lamps a while back, but IIRC it required rewiring
Dan inquires:
>Does anyone have a source for >just the lamps? I don't recall what >they
cost
Any big box home improvement store. Around ten bucks a tube.
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132
http://m.homedepot.com/p/48-in-T8-1
I knew it was, but if it makes sense to just replace the fixture I would rather
go that route.
My garage fixtures are the el cheapo Lowes "shop lights" that cost like
$10/each.
Does anyone have a source for just the lamps? I don't recall what they cost
Dan
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> On Sep 19,
Dan writes:
>Someone was talking about just >doing lamps a while back, but >IIRC it
>required rewiring the >fixtures.
It is exceedingly simple. Remove the ballast (or don't), hot to one side of the
lamp holder, neutral to the other side of the lamp holder. Ground remains
ground. Lamp holder (
ith a much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the
>> basement. I'd still replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
>> -Curt
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replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
-Curt
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2 years ago I replaced he transformers in t
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I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and
put them in the garage. Those things put out some really good light,
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2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over the sink. The last few weeks somet
It's an easy test, use an insulator to poke it next time. A glass?
My money's on an electrical effect, not mechanical.
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You like in a humid climate. In HI, I spent a lot of time polishing the
contacts on fluorescent fixtures. Here, I have had to polish the
contacts for the starters on the 15W tube lights. I suspect touching
the bulb moves it enough to make contact at the ends. in daily use, the
oxidation do
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Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over the
sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the same
shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its sockets.
Yesterday I fou
2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over the
sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the same
shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its sockets.
Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle
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