Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Zoltan Finks]

Okay, actually I decided to go ahead and move forward with the "application"
process.
After correcting some strangely incorrect phone numbers for myself that they
wanted confirmed, and checking "no" to several offers, I get a references
page.

Great. Now in order to proceed I have to hand over the names and numbers of
folks I know.

I normally shut down immediately anything that smells like a scam, but I am
vulnerable here in my desperation to get a decent job, and they are,
possibly, preying on that.

Times like this I think of the Iron Maiden song "The Evil That Men Do".

Brian

On Feb 13, 2008 6:10 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> it doesn't quite sound right to me . did you at least do a google search
> on
> the website?  that normally will tell  you what is what.
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 4:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
> > everything-savvy-folks.
> > I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad
> on
> > Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.
> >
> > I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called "employee
> > sources": http://employeesources.com/
> >
> > Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their
> > requirements
> > and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to
> > lose?
> > I apply.
> >
> > But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
> > carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are
> > given
> > to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like
> > buying
> > insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.
> >
> > I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
> > number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me
> to
> > log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my
> > app.
> > will be further processed.
> >
> > Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to
> > solicit
> > the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect
> personal
> > information.
> >
> > BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
> > anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be
> watching
> > for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.
> >
> > Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Zoltan Finks]

Thanks, Mr. Sane. That Yahoo Answers is an intriguing site. I'll have to use
it in the future.
And thanks, Bill for your encouragement.

Brian

On Feb 13, 2008 6:21 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080204224708AAyDrYs
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 3:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Not 240

[Jim Cathey]

> ...Whites should be called "European American".

Yeah, I can see that.  WTF do you call a black guy who
is neither African, nor American?  It's stupid.  There
was nothing wrong with Negro.   And if you don't like
French (or was it Spanish?), there was always the English
term: Black.  Also a peeve, _I_ am a native American.
Most are, they were born there after all.  The aboriginal
races are _not_ entitled to exclusive use of that name!
Sheesh.  People need to get a life and stop dwelling on
the mistakes made by a bunch of dead people.

Now where's my Kevlar underwear?...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:04:53 -0800 Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> > We used to feed chickens the carcasses or roast chicken we'd had for 
> > dinner. They loved it.
> 
> They won't even wait for them to be cooked.  See what happens
> when you get an injured chicken in a flock.

That's why de-beaking is common ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens

[Jim Cathey]

> We used to feed chickens the carcasses or roast chicken we'd had for 
> dinner. They loved it.

They won't even wait for them to be cooked.  See what happens
when you get an injured chicken in a flock.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Allan Streib]

carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The air condition compressor on the 83 is squealing. That's not 
> going to be a lot of fun. Going to have to upgrade the AC to the newer 
> environmental standards.

Why?  Keep it R12, if you don't want to spend the money on R12
refrigerant there are compatible substitutes.

If you convert it to R134A you'll be in for more headaches, and poor
cooling to boot.

> Thanks to all for the interaction. Really helped clarify my next
> steps.  Given the rising cost of fuel and the thousands of miles we
> put on in a month, a car that gets twice the fuel mileage and saves
> a thousand or more dollars a year is the way I have to go.

Don't forget to figure in interest on any financing, and insurance.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Bill R]

Brian - Your instincts are most likely correct.  If you have been diligent in 
your search you know more about the market than most.  Trust yourself and don't 
give out information that could come back to bite you.  Good luck with the job 
hunt.
BillR

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From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 2/13/08 4:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
everything-savvy-folks.
I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.

I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called "employee
sources": http://employeesources.com/

Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their requirements
and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to lose?
I apply.

But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are given
to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like buying
insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.

I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me to
log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my app
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Gary Hurst]

sounds about right

i don't know whether to go back to bed or mess with kirby parts and build a
vacuum.  somehow i find building a vacuum more relaxing than building a
laptop, although i am not very good at either.

On Feb 13, 2008 9:21 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080204224708AAyDrYs
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 3:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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[MBZ] OT: Chickens

[Curt Raymond]

Have you ever interacted with a chicken? We raised them when I was a kid.
2 watt brains...

They really don't care. You don't ruffle a chicken's dignity, it hasn't got 
any. We used to feed chickens the carcasses or roast chicken we'd had for 
dinner. They loved it.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:20:42 -0800
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Yeah, but I don't recall the sorting method. Didn't a certain gender
 fall
down a chute into a bin and the other sucked to the side or something?
Not an animal rights advocate, but it is a bit of a shock to see
 animals
treated like inanimate objects.

Brian



   
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Curt Raymond]

I've never ridden in a Jetta older than 4 years old.
I've never ridden in a Jetta that was bought used.
I've never ridden in a Jetta with working A/C.

That A/C in my 190D worked until the charge leaked out and I decided I liked 
having the money more than I liked having A/C.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:19:34 -0800
From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:08:45PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote:
> Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator R&R for
 the
> > S124.  My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and
> > fun to drive car.  Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my
> > Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD.  I think
 I
> > keep the Merc for purely sentimental reasons, at this point.
> 
> Maybe the later models are more expensive... My W123 is hands-down
 the
> cheapest car I've ever owned, in cost-of-ownership terms.  I do most
> of my own work and buy the parts from Rusty though.  I recently
 bought
> a Vanagon too, and I like it, but its engineering is cheap and
> amateurish compared to the W123 -- or even compared to my former
 W110.

Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all away
 in
terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a neglected
 car,
so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and S124 were far FAR
 more
expensive than them all.

No doubt, the mercedes is a better put together car, but you pay the
 price
for it.

   
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Wonko the Sane]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080204224708AAyDrYs


On Feb 13, 2008 3:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>


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[MBZ] Need VIN # check

[Walt Lasher]

Could someone run this VIN number (WDBFA66E8LF013351) and email me the
results?
Greatly appreciated

Walt Lasher  [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Seattle
W140 S350 Diesel 1992
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Gary Hurst]

it doesn't quite sound right to me . did you at least do a google search on
the website?  that normally will tell  you what is what.

On Feb 13, 2008 4:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
> everything-savvy-folks.
> I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
> Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.
>
> I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called "employee
> sources": http://employeesources.com/
>
> Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their
> requirements
> and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to
> lose?
> I apply.
>
> But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
> carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are
> given
> to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like
> buying
> insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.
>
> I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
> number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me to
> log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my
> app.
> will be further processed.
>
> Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to
> solicit
> the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect personal
> information.
>
> BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
> anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be watching
> for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.
>
> Brian
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[MBZ] W124 vent light?

[E M]

Hey Everyone,

The light on the centre air vent seems to be out on my car.  Both vents on
the right and left of the dash have back lights on the swivel part of the
vent wheel, so I figure there's also one on the centre one?  Ok, how do I
get to it?  :-)  Also, should the knob for the headlights be back lit as
well.  If so, mine has never worked, but if it has one, might as well see to
it while I'm doing the light bulb thing. :-)

Thanks everyone,

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

Sounds like you got a lemon. Sold both my 2000 Jetta TDI and 2004 Golf 
TDI after a couple of years of ownership and no maintenance hassle for 
just slightly below what I paid for them new (exempting taxes).

With my new 2000 Jetta, all maintenance was covered under the warranty. 
With the 2004 Golf, they charged (too much) for oil changes. Now that 
I'm not so busy with work, I'd do those myself. Fortunately, just as 
there are for M-Bs, third party Internet suppliers for VW really save 
you a bundle.

I spend way more time on the 300SDs fiddling with them. The latest is 
the heater hose that the dealer wants $125 for. Fortunately the 
suppliers everyone on this list knows about has it for a small fraction 
of that. Going to have to remove some electronics on the '85 to get at 
that. The air condition compressor on the 83 is squealing. That's not 
going to be a lot of fun. Going to have to upgrade the AC to the newer 
environmental standards.

Thanks to all for the interaction. Really helped clarify my next steps. 
Given the rising cost of fuel and the thousands of miles we put on in a 
month, a car that gets twice the fuel mileage and saves a thousand or 
more dollars a year is the way I have to go.

Anyone interested in purchasing two west coast solid body 300SDs, one an 
83 with a rebuilt engine and the other an 85 (w/ABS brakes)? The next 
question is what should I ask for them?

Martin

David Bruckmann wrote:
> Yes, the Golf/Jetta TDI gets good fuel economy BUT you'll realise that a 
> 20-y/o MB is a BARGAIN the first time you pay $100 for a set of front brake 
> pads for the VW, or when you replace the $300 MAF sensor for the 3rd or 4th 
> time, or when it needs yet ANOTHER window lifter, or when it won't start 
> because the intake manifold is clogged with soot, or when you get the bill 
> from the chiropractor b/c the seats are HORRIBLE, or when the rear brake pads 
> wear out AGAIN after only 20k miles, or when the coolant level sensor seal 
> fails and coolant is pumped into your wiring harness destroying your entire 
> electrical system, etc etc.
>
> Idiotically, I gave up my 1979 300TD for a new 2002 Golf TDI. It took me 
> about a week to start hating it, and almost two years to ditch it -- for a 
> 1984 300TD.
>
> D.
>
>   
>> On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, John. Nice looking TD.
>>>
>>> Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to
>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up
>>> to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year.
>>>
>>> For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI  ($mid-teens)
>>> which according to
>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42
>>> mpg and costs $1407 per year.
>>>
>>> So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half
>>> the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in
>>> rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and
>>> the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz.
>>>
>>> Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-)
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>   
>
>   
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[David Bruckmann]

Yes, the Golf/Jetta TDI gets good fuel economy BUT you'll realise that a 20-y/o 
MB is a BARGAIN the first time you pay $100 for a set of front brake pads for 
the VW, or when you replace the $300 MAF sensor for the 3rd or 4th time, or 
when it needs yet ANOTHER window lifter, or when it won't start because the 
intake manifold is clogged with soot, or when you get the bill from the 
chiropractor b/c the seats are HORRIBLE, or when the rear brake pads wear out 
AGAIN after only 20k miles, or when the coolant level sensor seal fails and 
coolant is pumped into your wiring harness destroying your entire electrical 
system, etc etc.

Idiotically, I gave up my 1979 300TD for a new 2002 Golf TDI. It took me about 
a week to start hating it, and almost two years to ditch it -- for a 1984 300TD.

D.

>On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks, John. Nice looking TD.
>>
>> Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to
>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up
>> to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year.
>>
>> For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI  ($mid-teens)
>> which according to
>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42
>> mpg and costs $1407 per year.
>>
>> So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half
>> the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in
>> rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and
>> the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz.
>>
>> Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-)
>>
>> Martin

-- 
David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA
Current Reality:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5 (150,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) "Piaf"  http://dolly.bruckmann.com/
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (390,000 km) "Brown Betty"
Shady Past:
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry "The Slamry" (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] OT - neurpathy, CIDP, etc

[LarryT]

Hi Gang,
Have been taking Phenocane - also called Curcumin - for a couple of days 
with no apparent change in pain level.  But things that work for one doesn't 
always work for others.  Best wishes for others suffering - I hope you get 
help.

I will continue to take the Phenocane becuase it is supposed to be a 
good source of Antioxidants - hopefully true.

Take care --

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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - neurpathy, CIDP, etc


> Wilton [and others] -- 
>
>  Make that three -- been there, done that. I've had one sensory nerve 
> surgically severed because it just wouldn't respond positively without a 
> long series of major reconstructive work (injury-related, and being 
> out-of-country at the time, it healed wrong), and I'm too impatient for 
> that! Like many of us, I'm a walking example of that saying about, "If I'd 
> known I was gonna live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself!"
>
>  I've found something that helps a lot with pain, and has had no side 
> effects for anyone I know who's used it. Called Phenocane, you can find it 
> on the web. It's herbal, you can't overdose (unless you use it as your 
> main source of nutrition!), and has produced surprising results. Because 
> it's so unbelievable, our local health food store gives away samples of 
> half a dozen capsules for people to try -- it almost always sells after 
> folks use it.
>
>  I'm well-educated in alternative medicine. Fortunately, Germany and Great 
> Britain still consider -- and test! -- both herbs and homeopathy as 
> sciences, and being certified in both countries means I still get all the 
> reported research and monographs on new uses and information. Most pain 
> medication in these two disciplines is "low cetane" -- great for a sinus 
> headache or a banged finger, but next to useless for neuropathy, chronic 
> pain, disk disease or damage, etc.
>
>  Phenocane is different. It works remarkably well. No fuzziness and no 
> stomach upset, but by being a very effective inflammation reducer with a 
> few other goodies, it either eliminates the pain or ratchets it back far 
> enough to allow you to function. Ibuprophen and acetominophen have their 
> own drawbacks, some serious and irreversable, especially in higher 
> dosages. Since we're all subject to the bumps, bruises, and banged 
> knuckles of taking care of our cars (and, as Tiny Tim said, God bless us 
> every one for doing it!), I thought this might be a useful resource. I 
> have no financial interest in the stuff -- in fact, I'm dabbling with 
> reverse-engineering it, since I use so much of it! BTW, ignore the bottle 
> directions -- if the pain is enough to really slow you down, take two caps 
> instead of one, and two more if you don't notice a difference in 30 to 45 
> minutes.
>
>  Remyelinization, of course, is the optimum solution, and there are 
> promising and partially sucessful treatments out there for that, too. But 
> while we pursue that ultimate solution, reducing "PAIN!" to a background 
> noise allows us to move and do the things we want to do -- to get on with 
> our lives, without being defined by our disabilities.
>
>
>
>  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:30:06 -0500
> From: "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - neurpathy, CIDP, etc
> To: "mercedes" 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> LarryT, Acher, etc., small world, isn't it?  This condition supposedly
> affects only about 1 in 100K, yet, here are TWO of us on this list and
> a
> third associated.
> My pain started 12 - 14 yrs ago as "nail driven into" lft heel, then on
> to
> toes, legs, hands, arms; fire, needles on bottoms of feet, etc.  Began
> to
> have slight hand tremor abt 10 yrs ago.  As my averall condition
> worsened,
> so did the tremor.  By 4 - 5 yrs ago, had lost most feeling below
> knees.  By
> abt 2 yrs ago, I was nearlly helpless because of the tremor.  Trouble
> walking for several yrs, but I continued to put on good act - tried to
> make
> it look to others like I was walking normally, but I was having to
> think
> about every step.  Started using stick/cane abt 5 yrs ago, went to
> 4-wheel
> walker nearly 3 yrs ago.  Still use walker around house (one on each
> floor)
> and back and forth to car.  I keep an elec. scooter in the car trunk
> for
> shopping, longer treks from car, etc.  I charge the scooter in the car
> with
> Diesel, so I ride a Diesel-electric scooter; I even put a smaller,
> paper
> decal copy of a MB DIESEL decal on back of the scooter to so designate
> it.
>
> 'Haven't been "bothered" by really bad pain for several yrs. - just
> slight
> in fee

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Feb 13, 2008 3:05 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've had both a 2000 Jetta TDI and a 2004 Golf TDI . Much preferred the
> Golf. Bought it new in the east (cheaper there) and drove it across the
> country. In 2004 they got a bump in horsepower. That engine has about
> the same amount of torque as the VR6.
>
> My wife drove it 200 km a day five days a week and found it to be far
> more comfortable than either of my 300SDs.

Well, I suppose comfort is a matter of taste... but I've found
Mercedes seats to be more comfortable than any other car's by far,
when in good shape (springs not sprung and padding not compressed).
The problem is that you have to maintain them, like the rest of the
car, and most people don't.  VW-type seats, on the other hand (foam
over a stiff metal bucket) are comfortable until the foam collapses,
and then feel like a church pew---at which point they are basically
not fixable unless the entire seat is rebuilt from scratch by a
competent upholsterer.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

That's why I'm looking at a Jetta wagon TDI that's a few years old. The 
largest part of the depreciation is gone and it will be good for another 
ten years or so. By that time I'll have saved enough on fuel (over the 
Benz) to buy another one.

I have an '82 Jetta that I bought brand new. At 300k+ the body and 
original engine are still good, though I had to replace the head at 80K 
because I burned the valves following the idiot upshift light (remember 
those?) . However, it was the electrics that consigned it to a moldering 
death in my yard. The electrics did get better in 83. I have an 83 Jetta 
Turbo diesel that still going strong.

Martin

Allan Streib wrote:
> Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all
>> away in terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a
>> neglected car, so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and
>> S124 were far FAR more expensive than them all.
>> 
>
> I had an A2 Jetta as well, and agree it was pretty cheap as far as
> repairs and maintenance go, but I bought it new at about 4 times what
> I paid for my 300D, and I financed it.  So that killed the cost of
> ownership numbers for me.  I'm pretty sure a 20 year old Jetta would
> have cost me more than my W123 to own, they just are not built to last
> that long.
>
> Allan
>   
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Kevin]

Another possibility, depending on where you live, is to get one with some 
rust. The rust drops the value of the car GREATLY, and if you're in an area
where a rusty car won't really get worse, it's fine for a driver. My 85 190D
was such a car, and was really a bargain for what it was. What got expensive
on that car was rebuilding the suspension on it when it got close to 200k
miles, followed by a busted ball joint in the front. Granted, I did most of
the work myself, but there were a LOT of parts I had to replace on it while
doing the job. It was a five speed, so it was worth the time and money, or so
I told myself.

I do still have the two 87s, one D that got sideswiped and one rusty TD that
needs a head/head gasket, that I've been toying with letting go, but unless
you're somewhat near Sacramento, CA, the logistics might be a little screwy.
And no, I'm not letting them go for $500 for the pair (or even $500 each),
so all you bottomfeeders out there, don't try. ;)

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:16:42AM -0800, carbucks wrote:
> So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half 
> the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in 
> rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and 
> the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz.
> 
> Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-)

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

Yes, I've been looking at those as well. Harder to find and much more 
expensive -- twice the price of the 87 300TDs. The extra room and 
horsepower may be worth it, however.

Martin

R A Bennell wrote:
> There is also a Passat wagon which would be a bit bigger than the Jetta.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dave walton
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
>
>
> I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from
> hell. I much prefer working on Mercedes. You need a computer just to
> check the transmission fluid level.
> The VW's are very light and tinny in my opinion. Although with 6 air
> bags they might have a safety advantage depending on the
> circumstances.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 2:40 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up
>> more and more of my time.
>>
>> I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of
>> qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close
>> to their mpg.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> John Robbins wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it?  Old
>>> Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work
>>> yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take
>>> care of everything.  There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong
>>> on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are
>>> absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain.  That
>>> being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality
>>> and drivability of an MB over a VW!
>>>
>>> If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club.
>>> There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit
>>> of good information there as well.
>>>
>>> www.tdiclub.com
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH!
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

Hi Alex,

I've had both a 2000 Jetta TDI and a 2004 Golf TDI . Much preferred the 
Golf. Bought it new in the east (cheaper there) and drove it across the 
country. In 2004 they got a bump in horsepower. That engine has about 
the same amount of torque as the VR6.

My wife drove it 200 km a day five days a week and found it to be far 
more comfortable than either of my 300SDs. Plus with the five speed, you 
could out accelerate most vehicles away from the stop light. She still 
misses it.

Martin
Two 300SDs
Missing the TDIs more and more as I write about this

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2008 11:33 AM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have
>> better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble
>> keeping up with some city traffic.
>>
>> 
>
> Martin, have you driven an early-'90s diesel Jetta wagon?  Based on my
> experience with a 2001 New Beetle TDI I'd say the opposite would be
> true of them, for what it's worth---they are great city cars with
> plenty of zip right off the line (mostly due to the
> variable-displacement turbo, I think), but run out of steam fast on
> the highway.  Also, as John R. pointed out, the driveability and feel
> are quite different.  I would much rather take my W124 on a long trip
> than any VW---the seats are better and road noise is less despite
> 20-year-old door seals!
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al.
>
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Re: [MBZ] WAY OT (sorry): 2 year old neutered male Siberian Husky looking for good home

[Zoltan Finks]

BTW Christopher, wish you success with placing your Husky.
My wife and I each have a dog - my Doberman and her Husky. It's not in the
cards for us to get another one - two is enough. Especially when you
consider that the wife travels, and I am required by my wedding vows to
travel at least once or twice a year.

And I have gotten her, without much arm twisting, to agree never to get a
Husky again. The hair buildup in the house is constant. A major thorn in our
sides.

I would find the number to Husky rescue groups around your location. If they
have capacity they should take him. But be prepared for a possible lecture
from a zealot.

Brian

On Feb 12, 2008 6:17 AM, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> '85 300SD - PO spent $1,500 trying to solve no acceleration/power. We got
> an ALDA from the PNP for free and that fixed it. fixed all the window
> regulators (straightened the main plate and rivetted thin steel plate to
> them so they won't bend - works great)...no a million little details. Next
> is window (front and back) installation.
>
> '84 300D - beautiful - got an IP for $5.00 from the PNP and it runs great.
> Not much left to do on that one.
>
> '85 300D Cali - runs great, doesn't need much BUT our friend's 240D got
> hit and he's giving us the insurance money to fix it, so we are gonna
> cannibilize parts off this car. Also found a beautiful (no rust) 300D with
> shot tranny for $250 - we're taking the tranny out of this car to put in
> that one. Kind of a shame to use a perfectly good car as a parts car but
> 123's are non-existant ant PNPs around here - 300SD are EVERYWHERE (kind of
> sad)...and we only paid $450 for this one.
>
> '76 240D - haven't touched it. Runs, but needs some body work and that
> will wait till summer.
>
> Nothing sold yet, but we're slowly getting there. All parts from PNP so
> costs are pretty minimal.
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So whats going on with all
> your projects you have going on?
>
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > My two German Shepherds (the "gestapo") have for 6 months now (since we
>  got Nanook the Husky) delighted in beating the snot out of our dear,
>  fluffly, friendly, loving Husky. Since we need the Shepherds as guard  dogs
> (we live in "the hood") we are looking for a home for Nanook  where he will
> be happier. He is a very nice dog and if we did not  have/need scary German
> Shepherds, we would not remotely consider giving  him up. If you are
> interested, let me know. He is perfectly house  trained and very loving. He
> needs a fenced yard or he will run away -  that's how huskies are - they run
> and run and run. OR he would be  content to be a house dog (especially in
> the summer - he is not a big  fan of heat), but would need to be walked
> daily. He is a really great dog.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB
> > -1985 300SD, 369K km, "Wulf"
> > -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, "Der Abschleppwagen"
> > & '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt & '84 300Dt
> > -Anke & Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) & Nanook (Siberian Husky)
> >
> > -
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[MBZ] Nice 300CD

[Donald Snook]

Nice 300CD  -- no affiliation
Looks like a nice car.

This is my favorite body style of the 80's.

Ebay item # 260211187822

http://tiny.cc/nPHhi

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 & MB at speed

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:42:37 -0600, Donald wrote:

> Larry wrote:
> 
>  "Are the 305/350 engines derivitives of the 283 that Chevy
> released in the mid 50s?"
> 
> I don't know.  Most of GM's engines use pretty old pushrod
> technology, but they do seem to have improved it to a point
> where everything falls apart before the engine.
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook

Yes.

All of the GM small-block engines are descendants of that
engine. Somewhere along about 1990 they changed the rear
crankshaft seal. I'm not sure what has broken compatibility
since about 1995 'cause I don't have one - but things like the
intake manifold, distributor, water pump, etc from a late '80
will bolt onto an 1955 engine. Obviously the crank and pistons
are not the same 'cause the displacement isn't the same.

--   Philip, with 4 of them, none stock.

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Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?

[Fmiser]

> DHL is horrible in rural areas. We have many people not in
> large cities.
> 
> 
> Rusty Cullens

_That's_ the truth!

It once took them three days to get enough deliveries "out this
way" to bother making the trip. Of course, my boxes were the
first ones in the waiting list.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] FW: OT: Cheap Hosting

[Fmiser]

> On Feb 11, 2008 9:57 PM, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > "There is no such thing as a free lunch."
> >
> > With Google, it is no-money-needed - but you pay with
> > information and non-privacy.
> >
> > Some may prefer to part with a bit of one rather than the
> > other.
> >
> > --Philip
> 
> 
> Nah, some of the best things in this life are still free.
> Besides both Dave and you have Gmail accounts, so you've
> already given them the information they'd want anyway.
> 
> EdB

*smile* But I only have list mail go through Google. Hosting a
website and personal or business email is an entire different
level. 

And I don't leave my mail on their server for more than 90 days,
so it stays 'mine'.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel

[Fmiser]

> That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel
> economy between North America and the rest of the world is
> MASSIVE. After seeing what's actually available out there, and
> seeing real world results, you really have to wonder why
> there's so much foot dragging here with regards to mileage! It
> makes zero sense! (so it must be a gov't/industry policy)
> 
> 
> Jeff Zedic

If cars in the USA got better fuel mileage, there would be less
reason for fuel. If they were predominantly diesel, it would be
easy(er) to feed them with bio-diesel.

But then there would be no reason to got to war! Where would we
be then?

Ooops. That's getting into politics.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: CHevy 265/283/302/305/350/366/400/427 small blocks

[Fmiser]

> Jim in Phoenix

You missed the 327 and 397 in the subject.

*grin*

--  Philip

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[MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Zoltan Finks]

Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
everything-savvy-folks.
I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.

I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called "employee
sources": http://employeesources.com/

Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their requirements
and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to lose?
I apply.

But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are given
to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like buying
insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.

I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me to
log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my app.
will be further processed.

Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to solicit
the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect personal
information.

BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be watching
for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.

Brian
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[MBZ] MB Sales

[LarryT]

Don't have details - but for the past 5 years MB has had good sales years - 
it'd be a good time to be a salesperson -
2003 - 219k
2004 - 222k
2005 - 224k
2006 - 248k
2007 - 253k
06 and 07 were *very* good years!  They must have done something right -

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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[John Robbins]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Yeah, but I don't recall the sorting method. Didn't a certain gender fall
> down a chute into a bin and the other sucked to the side or something?
> Not an animal rights advocate, but it is a bit of a shock to see animals
> treated like inanimate objects.

IIRC, there was an inspector that *flung* them into the correct chute. 
It certainly was a bit of a shock, but they didn't seem to be terribly 
upset by it!  Nor the falling inbetween rollers to separate them from 
the eggshells.

Well... looks like YouTube comes to the rescue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkuohLV2u0k

It is definitely a good show.  A nice change of pace from all the drama 
"make sure you come back after the commercial break" type shows.

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Allan Streib]

Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all
> away in terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a
> neglected car, so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and
> S124 were far FAR more expensive than them all.

I had an A2 Jetta as well, and agree it was pretty cheap as far as
repairs and maintenance go, but I bought it new at about 4 times what
I paid for my 300D, and I financed it.  So that killed the cost of
ownership numbers for me.  I'm pretty sure a 20 year old Jetta would
have cost me more than my W123 to own, they just are not built to last
that long.

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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[Zoltan Finks]

Yeah, but I don't recall the sorting method. Didn't a certain gender fall
down a chute into a bin and the other sucked to the side or something?
Not an animal rights advocate, but it is a bit of a shock to see animals
treated like inanimate objects.

Brian

On Feb 13, 2008 1:09 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I haven't seen the 'meat' episode, but have you guys seen the one about
> chicks (as in chickens)?  Their gender sorting technique was quite
> amusing.
>
> John
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > Concur -- saw that "meat" episode too. However, I did have a sudden
> > momentary craving for pastrami and corned beef.
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2008 2:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Leave it to "How It's Made" - one of my favorite shows.
> >> Besides reminding me today one of the reasons I don't eat meat,
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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[MBZ] Electile Dysfunction

[Glenn Brown]

I enjoyed the Electile Dysfunction post, sent it my brother and here's his
response which I thought worth posting:

 Reminds me of the quote by Adlai Stevenson when he was campaigning. After
his speech, a woman came up to him and said, "Mr. Stevenson, you have every
thinking American's vote." To which he replied, "Thank you, Madam, but I
need a majority."

G. M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Kevin]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:08:45PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote:
> Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator R&R for the
> > S124.  My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and
> > fun to drive car.  Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my
> > Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD.  I think I
> > keep the Merc for purely sentimental reasons, at this point.
> 
> Maybe the later models are more expensive... My W123 is hands-down the
> cheapest car I've ever owned, in cost-of-ownership terms.  I do most
> of my own work and buy the parts from Rusty though.  I recently bought
> a Vanagon too, and I like it, but its engineering is cheap and
> amateurish compared to the W123 -- or even compared to my former W110.

Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all away in
terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a neglected car,
so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and S124 were far FAR more
expensive than them all.

No doubt, the mercedes is a better put together car, but you pay the price
for it.

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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[E M]

yeah, it could be connected to the intake, and it could double as an early
warning sign.  If your Star looks a little lopsided, you may have a vacuum
leak. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 13/02/2008, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That would suck.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 3:06 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, and it must be vacuum operated. :-)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[Wonko the Sane]

You might enjoy http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/dining/13incompatible.html

On Feb 13, 2008 2:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Besides reminding me today one of the reasons I don't eat meat,
>



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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[John Robbins]

I haven't seen the 'meat' episode, but have you guys seen the one about 
chicks (as in chickens)?  Their gender sorting technique was quite amusing.

John

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Concur -- saw that "meat" episode too. However, I did have a sudden
> momentary craving for pastrami and corned beef.
> 
> On Feb 13, 2008 2:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Leave it to "How It's Made" - one of my favorite shows.
>> Besides reminding me today one of the reasons I don't eat meat,
>>
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Allan Streib]

Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator R&R for the
> S124.  My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and
> fun to drive car.  Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my
> Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD.  I think I
> keep the Merc for purely sentimental reasons, at this point.

Maybe the later models are more expensive... My W123 is hands-down the
cheapest car I've ever owned, in cost-of-ownership terms.  I do most
of my own work and buy the parts from Rusty though.  I recently bought
a Vanagon too, and I like it, but its engineering is cheap and
amateurish compared to the W123 -- or even compared to my former W110.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[Wonko the Sane]

That would suck.

On Feb 13, 2008 3:06 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, and it must be vacuum operated. :-)
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[Wonko the Sane]

Concur -- saw that "meat" episode too. However, I did have a sudden
momentary craving for pastrami and corned beef.

On Feb 13, 2008 2:57 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Leave it to "How It's Made" - one of my favorite shows.
> Besides reminding me today one of the reasons I don't eat meat,
>



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Re: [MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[E M]

Yes, and it must be vacuum operated. :-)

Ed
300E

On 13/02/2008, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Leave it to "How It's Made" - one of my favorite shows.
> Besides reminding me today one of the reasons I don't eat meat, they are
> showing how a Rolls Royce is made.
>
> I didn't know that the hood ornament was retractable via a switch! I would
> absolutely enjoy having that on my Benzes!
>
> Not only would it be kept safe from vandals, it would really put me in the
> correct Mercedes mood every time I got ready to set out on the road. Flick
> -
> vrooop - up comes the Star!
>
> I am confident that one of you geniuses can design one of these and then
> tell us all how to do it - or sell us a kit.
>
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[John Robbins]

I don't really think this list is a good place for this particular 
discussion.

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[MBZ] One of you needs to make this hood ornament

[Zoltan Finks]

Leave it to "How It's Made" - one of my favorite shows.
Besides reminding me today one of the reasons I don't eat meat, they are
showing how a Rolls Royce is made.

I didn't know that the hood ornament was retractable via a switch! I would
absolutely enjoy having that on my Benzes!

Not only would it be kept safe from vandals, it would really put me in the
correct Mercedes mood every time I got ready to set out on the road. Flick -
vrooop - up comes the Star!

I am confident that one of you geniuses can design one of these and then
tell us all how to do it - or sell us a kit.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[Gary Hurst]

we pretty much killed all of ours in eastern US.  not sure how it goes out
west.

On Feb 13, 2008 3:58 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Not sure if you folks get the same thing down south but here in Canada we
> get "first nations" to describe what we
> used to refer to as Indians.
>
> Somehow they make it seem like they consider themselves to be better than
> the rest of us since they are "first". Of
> course, maybe they are better than us  since the rest of us seem to
> support most of them since they won't work.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:48 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 240
>
>
> I once saw a speech given by David Duke? the head of the klan? Anyway, one
> of his views was that Whites should be called "European American".
> Now I certainly am not behind the klan, but I have to say, if we must call
> Blacks "African American" then why don't we deserve others to go to the
> same
> silly trouble?
>
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[R A Bennell]

Not sure if you folks get the same thing down south but here in Canada we get 
"first nations" to describe what we
used to refer to as Indians.

Somehow they make it seem like they consider themselves to be better than the 
rest of us since they are "first". Of
course, maybe they are better than us  since the rest of us seem to support 
most of them since they won't work.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 240


I once saw a speech given by David Duke? the head of the klan? Anyway, one
of his views was that Whites should be called "European American".
Now I certainly am not behind the klan, but I have to say, if we must call
Blacks "African American" then why don't we deserve others to go to the same
silly trouble?

Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Not 240

[Gary Hurst]

this civil rights thing is not exactly a 2 way street.

On Feb 13, 2008 3:47 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I once saw a speech given by David Duke? the head of the klan? Anyway, one
> of his views was that Whites should be called "European American".
> Now I certainly am not behind the klan, but I have to say, if we must call
> Blacks "African American" then why don't we deserve others to go to the
> same
> silly trouble?
>
> Brian
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 12:03 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i think civil rights are that you can offend chinese, but not blacks.  i
> > guess it's complicated, so i'll just keep on insulting everyone.
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2008 3:00 PM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's because you are not supposed to say "chinese" -- "Asian" is the
> > > correct term.
> > >
> > > Funny story:  My SIL tutors freshman football players at a large
> > > university.  She is sorta "mom" to a lot of them, she has 4 boys of
> her
> > > own so these guys are just extended family in a lot of ways for her.
> > > Many of them have very little experience in social aspects (for
> > > instance, she helps them select clothes to wear to publicity events
> and
> > > such -- khakis and polo shirts are new territory for them).  One of
> them
> > > (a very large young African American gentleman from a small town in
> some
> > > backwoods part of the state) comes to her one day all upset.  He tells
> > > her he was riding the escalator somewhere and sees this "Chinese dude"
> > > coming the other way, so he asks him out of the blue, in passing, for
> > > some reason never made clear, "How do you say 'ugly' in Chinese?"
> > >
> > > So the football player says the guy looks at him "funny" and says, "I
> > > don't know, I'm not Chinese.  How do you say 'stupid' in African?" .
> > > The football player was upset, "He's a racist!  He shouldn't be saying
> > > things like that!"  So then she, unsuccessfully, attempted to explain
> to
> > > this young gentleman why the whole thing was sorta racist and
> offensive,
> > > but he was not buying it.  She also has to try to help them get
> > > edumacated, but that is a whole nuther set of stories.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > > yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a
> > chinese
> > > > woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me
> > > credit
> > > > for it  :(
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Zeitgeist]

Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator R&R for the S124.
My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive
car.  Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my Vanagon is even a
helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD.  I think I keep the Merc for purely
sentimental reasons, at this point.

On Feb 13, 2008 12:33 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about
> > half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add
> > up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to
> > maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the
> > Benz.
>
> The Jetta will not hold up like the Benz though  Price a new Jetta
> injection pump.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Not 240

[Zoltan Finks]

I once saw a speech given by David Duke? the head of the klan? Anyway, one
of his views was that Whites should be called "European American".
Now I certainly am not behind the klan, but I have to say, if we must call
Blacks "African American" then why don't we deserve others to go to the same
silly trouble?

Brian

On Feb 13, 2008 12:03 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i think civil rights are that you can offend chinese, but not blacks.  i
> guess it's complicated, so i'll just keep on insulting everyone.
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 3:00 PM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > It's because you are not supposed to say "chinese" -- "Asian" is the
> > correct term.
> >
> > Funny story:  My SIL tutors freshman football players at a large
> > university.  She is sorta "mom" to a lot of them, she has 4 boys of her
> > own so these guys are just extended family in a lot of ways for her.
> > Many of them have very little experience in social aspects (for
> > instance, she helps them select clothes to wear to publicity events and
> > such -- khakis and polo shirts are new territory for them).  One of them
> > (a very large young African American gentleman from a small town in some
> > backwoods part of the state) comes to her one day all upset.  He tells
> > her he was riding the escalator somewhere and sees this "Chinese dude"
> > coming the other way, so he asks him out of the blue, in passing, for
> > some reason never made clear, "How do you say 'ugly' in Chinese?"
> >
> > So the football player says the guy looks at him "funny" and says, "I
> > don't know, I'm not Chinese.  How do you say 'stupid' in African?" .
> > The football player was upset, "He's a racist!  He shouldn't be saying
> > things like that!"  So then she, unsuccessfully, attempted to explain to
> > this young gentleman why the whole thing was sorta racist and offensive,
> > but he was not buying it.  She also has to try to help them get
> > edumacated, but that is a whole nuther set of stories.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a
> chinese
> > > woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me
> > credit
> > > for it  :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Allan Streib]

carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about
> half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add
> up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to
> maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the
> Benz.

The Jetta will not hold up like the Benz though  Price a new Jetta
injection pump.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[dave walton]

Lack of space. I finally found a use for those "stubby" drivers that
have been sitting in my toolbox unused.
The 4Matic MB has much more space, but it is just bigger all around.

-Dave Walton

On Feb 13, 2008 3:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2008 11:45 AM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from
> > hell.
>
> Wouldn't that be true of any kind of drivetrain work on a
> front-wheel-drive car, though?  Everything's all jammed up together
> under the hood, after all, not nicely spread out front-to-back as it
> should be.  What was especially bad about the VW?  (I ask never having
> done or even contemplated any serious repair job on a FWD car, other
> than my old Saab 900's which are quite a different beast than the
> typical transverse-four-with-transaxle arrangement.)
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al.
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Re: [MBZ] Not 240

[Gary Hurst]

i think civil rights are that you can offend chinese, but not blacks.  i
guess it's complicated, so i'll just keep on insulting everyone.

On Feb 13, 2008 3:00 PM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> It's because you are not supposed to say "chinese" -- "Asian" is the
> correct term.
>
> Funny story:  My SIL tutors freshman football players at a large
> university.  She is sorta "mom" to a lot of them, she has 4 boys of her
> own so these guys are just extended family in a lot of ways for her.
> Many of them have very little experience in social aspects (for
> instance, she helps them select clothes to wear to publicity events and
> such -- khakis and polo shirts are new territory for them).  One of them
> (a very large young African American gentleman from a small town in some
> backwoods part of the state) comes to her one day all upset.  He tells
> her he was riding the escalator somewhere and sees this "Chinese dude"
> coming the other way, so he asks him out of the blue, in passing, for
> some reason never made clear, "How do you say 'ugly' in Chinese?"
>
> So the football player says the guy looks at him "funny" and says, "I
> don't know, I'm not Chinese.  How do you say 'stupid' in African?" .
> The football player was upset, "He's a racist!  He shouldn't be saying
> things like that!"  So then she, unsuccessfully, attempted to explain to
> this young gentleman why the whole thing was sorta racist and offensive,
> but he was not buying it.  She also has to try to help them get
> edumacated, but that is a whole nuther set of stories.
>
> --R
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
> > woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me
> credit
> > for it  :(
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Feb 13, 2008 11:45 AM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from
> hell.

Wouldn't that be true of any kind of drivetrain work on a
front-wheel-drive car, though?  Everything's all jammed up together
under the hood, after all, not nicely spread out front-to-back as it
should be.  What was especially bad about the VW?  (I ask never having
done or even contemplated any serious repair job on a FWD car, other
than my old Saab 900's which are quite a different beast than the
typical transverse-four-with-transaxle arrangement.)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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[MBZ] Not 240

[Rich Thomas]

It's because you are not supposed to say "chinese" -- "Asian" is the 
correct term.

Funny story:  My SIL tutors freshman football players at a large 
university.  She is sorta "mom" to a lot of them, she has 4 boys of her 
own so these guys are just extended family in a lot of ways for her.  
Many of them have very little experience in social aspects (for 
instance, she helps them select clothes to wear to publicity events and 
such -- khakis and polo shirts are new territory for them).  One of them 
(a very large young African American gentleman from a small town in some 
backwoods part of the state) comes to her one day all upset.  He tells 
her he was riding the escalator somewhere and sees this "Chinese dude" 
coming the other way, so he asks him out of the blue, in passing, for 
some reason never made clear, "How do you say 'ugly' in Chinese?"

So the football player says the guy looks at him "funny" and says, "I 
don't know, I'm not Chinese.  How do you say 'stupid' in African?" .  
The football player was upset, "He's a racist!  He shouldn't be saying 
things like that!"  So then she, unsuccessfully, attempted to explain to 
this young gentleman why the whole thing was sorta racist and offensive, 
but he was not buying it.  She also has to try to help them get 
edumacated, but that is a whole nuther set of stories.

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:
> yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
> woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me credit
> for it  :(
>
>   
>

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[R A Bennell]

There is also a Passat wagon which would be a bit bigger than the Jetta.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices


I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from
hell. I much prefer working on Mercedes. You need a computer just to
check the transmission fluid level.
The VW's are very light and tinny in my opinion. Although with 6 air
bags they might have a safety advantage depending on the
circumstances.

-Dave Walton

On Feb 13, 2008 2:40 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up
> more and more of my time.
>
> I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of
> qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close
> to their mpg.
>
> Martin
>
>
> John Robbins wrote:
> > Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it?  Old
> > Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work
> > yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take
> > care of everything.  There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong
> > on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are
> > absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain.  That
> > being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality
> > and drivability of an MB over a VW!
> >
> > If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club.
> > There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit
> > of good information there as well.
> >
> > www.tdiclub.com
> >
> >
> > HTH!
> > John
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Q

[R A Bennell]

I think your description of how it works if fairly exact. The impact triggers 
the charge that tightens the belts.
Once released, they won't re-tension so the car cannot be driven unless one is 
prepared to go without the belts.
Still surprised that these items wouldn't be on the shelf at the dealers since 
this sort of thing must happen
regularly. The car is not damaged really beyond the back bumper and could be 
driven while they wait for the parts
to fix that.

Randy

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I am pretty sure these belts use an explosive charge, in the winder,?to 
pre-tension the belts in a collision.? My
guess is they are a one time use (like an airbag) and at least part of them 
must be repaced.? Demand may have
exceeded availability.

Jim in Phoenix


Friends have an 01 (I think) E430 4Matic. It was rear ended hard enough to set
off some sensor that locks the seat
belts but then has to be replaced. This was a month ago and they still cannot
drive the car because the dealer is
still waiting for the part. They have been told it has to come from Germany.

Anyone encounter this sort of thing? Seems odd that this part is so hard to come
by. Can't help wondering if they
could get it out of the US by overnight courier instead of waiting for some
munchkins in Germany to produce it.




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Sent: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:16 am
Subject: [MBZ] Seat Belt Q



Friends have an 01 (I think) E430 4Matic. It was rear ended hard enough to set
off some sensor that locks the seat
belts but then has to be replaced. This was a month ago and they still cannot
drive the car because the dealer is
still waiting for the part. They have been told it has to come from Germany.

Anyone encounter this sort of thing? Seems odd that this part is so hard to come
by. Can't help wondering if they
could get it out of the US by overnight courier instead of waiting for some
munchkins in Germany to produce it.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[dave walton]

I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from
hell. I much prefer working on Mercedes. You need a computer just to
check the transmission fluid level.
The VW's are very light and tinny in my opinion. Although with 6 air
bags they might have a safety advantage depending on the
circumstances.

-Dave Walton

On Feb 13, 2008 2:40 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up
> more and more of my time.
>
> I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of
> qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close
> to their mpg.
>
> Martin
>
>
> John Robbins wrote:
> > Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it?  Old
> > Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work
> > yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take
> > care of everything.  There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong
> > on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are
> > absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain.  That
> > being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality
> > and drivability of an MB over a VW!
> >
> > If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club.
> > There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit
> > of good information there as well.
> >
> > www.tdiclub.com
> >
> >
> > HTH!
> > John
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up 
more and more of my time.

I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of 
qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close 
to their mpg.

Martin

John Robbins wrote:
> Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it?  Old 
> Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work 
> yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take 
> care of everything.  There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong 
> on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are 
> absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain.  That 
> being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality 
> and drivability of an MB over a VW!
>
> If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club. 
> There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit 
> of good information there as well.
>
> www.tdiclub.com
>
>
> HTH!
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Feb 13, 2008 11:33 AM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have
> better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble
> keeping up with some city traffic.
>

Martin, have you driven an early-'90s diesel Jetta wagon?  Based on my
experience with a 2001 New Beetle TDI I'd say the opposite would be
true of them, for what it's worth---they are great city cars with
plenty of zip right off the line (mostly due to the
variable-displacement turbo, I think), but run out of steam fast on
the highway.  Also, as John R. pointed out, the driveability and feel
are quite different.  I would much rather take my W124 on a long trip
than any VW---the seats are better and road noise is less despite
20-year-old door seals!

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel

[Jeff Zedic]

I think it's more of a chicken and egg sort of thing.

I don't think people choose that they want a big inefficient vehicle, its
feature and "capabilities" are marketed to their insecurities and they
decide they need it to keep up with "everyone else".

That's not human nature, reallythat's manipulation

If you have a choice between a range of vehicles, none of which is actually
getting the sort of economy that they are capable of, you learn quickly that
fuel economy is NOT an issue. It is! It seems that it's only when you hit
people where it hurts, in the wallet, that they wake up from their wasteful
stupor.
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have 
better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble 
keeping up with some city traffic.

Martin

dave walton wrote:
> You might want to figure in to your equation that you can get early
> 90's E320 gas wagons in pristine condition for ~$2k. They will have
> all wheel drive too. They take premium.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Thanks, John. Nice looking TD.
>>
>> Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to
>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up
>> to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year.
>>
>> For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI  ($mid-teens)
>> which according to
>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42
>> mpg and costs $1407 per year.
>>
>> So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half
>> the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in
>> rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and
>> the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz.
>>
>> Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-)
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> John Robbins wrote:
>> 
>>> carbucks wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our
 lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some
 list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition.
 Here's what I've discovered so far.

 
>>> There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is
>>> very sought after... so prices are all over the place.  One in *nice*
>>> condition in Washington state will fetch 10k.  Most ones in good
>>> condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA).  Most people on this list
>>> are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't
>>> buy one at those crazy eBay prices.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200.  I've
>>> since bought >$2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in.
>>>
>>> http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/
>>>
>>> John
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[John Robbins]

carbucks wrote:
> So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half 
> the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in 
> rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and 
> the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz.

Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it?  Old 
Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work 
yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take 
care of everything.  There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong 
on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are 
absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain.  That 
being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality 
and drivability of an MB over a VW!

If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club. 
There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit 
of good information there as well.

www.tdiclub.com


HTH!
John


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[dave walton]

You might want to figure in to your equation that you can get early
90's E320 gas wagons in pristine condition for ~$2k. They will have
all wheel drive too. They take premium.

-Dave Walton

On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, John. Nice looking TD.
>
> Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to
> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up
> to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year.
>
> For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI  ($mid-teens)
> which according to
> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42
> mpg and costs $1407 per year.
>
> So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half
> the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in
> rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and
> the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz.
>
> Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-)
>
> Martin
>
>
> John Robbins wrote:
> > carbucks wrote:
> >
> >> While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our
> >> lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some
> >> list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition.
> >> Here's what I've discovered so far.
> >>
> >
> > There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is
> > very sought after... so prices are all over the place.  One in *nice*
> > condition in Washington state will fetch 10k.  Most ones in good
> > condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA).  Most people on this list
> > are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't
> > buy one at those crazy eBay prices.
> >
> > FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200.  I've
> > since bought >$2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in.
> >
> > http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/
> >
> > John
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

Thanks, John. Nice looking TD.

Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up 
to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year.

For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI  ($mid-teens) 
which according to 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42 
mpg and costs $1407 per year.

So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half 
the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in 
rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and 
the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz.

Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-)

Martin

John Robbins wrote:
> carbucks wrote:
>   
>> While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our 
>> lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some 
>> list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. 
>> Here's what I've discovered so far.
>> 
>
> There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is 
> very sought after... so prices are all over the place.  One in *nice* 
> condition in Washington state will fetch 10k.  Most ones in good 
> condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA).  Most people on this list 
> are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't 
> buy one at those crazy eBay prices.
>
> FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200.  I've 
> since bought >$2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in.
>
> http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me credit
for it  :(

On Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do
> something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh,
> characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.
> Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I am
> 90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to
> acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my
> "---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a
> pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict stupidity
> before it will most likely happen.
>
> --R
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
> > "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech is
> > censored in my own home and car by my kid.
> >
> > i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it very
> > funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like "woman
> > driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like that?
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2008 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] the super nice 90 420SEL that I sold way too cheap

[Rusty Cullens]

You are not as lucky as you think if they charge list plus as 99% of dealers 
do.


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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the super nice 90 420SEL that I sold way too cheap


> I'm lucky, I have two dealers within 10-15 min drive from me.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 13/02/2008, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> LarryT wrote:
>> > Whatever he doesn't have he can order from MB - you still get a 
>> > discount
>> and
>> > Rusty service.  But IIRC his Free Shipping doesn't apply to
>> special/dealer
>> > orders.
>>
>> In my case, shipping is much less than driving to the closest dealer.
>> One is 2 hours away and another is 1.5 hours away in the opposite
>> direction.
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[John Robbins]

carbucks wrote:
> While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our 
> lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some 
> list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. 
> Here's what I've discovered so far.

There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is 
very sought after... so prices are all over the place.  One in *nice* 
condition in Washington state will fetch 10k.  Most ones in good 
condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA).  Most people on this list 
are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't 
buy one at those crazy eBay prices.

FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200.  I've 
since bought >$2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in.

http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/

John


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Re: [MBZ] the super nice 90 420SEL that I sold way too cheap

[E M]

I'm lucky, I have two dealers within 10-15 min drive from me.

Ed
300E

On 13/02/2008, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LarryT wrote:
> > Whatever he doesn't have he can order from MB - you still get a discount
> and
> > Rusty service.  But IIRC his Free Shipping doesn't apply to
> special/dealer
> > orders.
>
> In my case, shipping is much less than driving to the closest dealer.
> One is 2 hours away and another is 1.5 hours away in the opposite
> direction.
>
> John
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[MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

[carbucks]

Hi,

While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our 
lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some 
list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. 
Here's what I've discovered so far.

NADA ranges from $3950 to $8600
Original MSRP: $42,500

Low Retail 

 
Average Retail Value 

 
High Retail 

 

Base Price  $3,950  $5,150  $8,600
TOTAL PRICE $3,950  $5,150 
*
 
$8,600


Ebay Buy Now prices are currently in the $10 000 range.

Autotrader and cars.com listed prices range from $7000 to $13500

Martin


 
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Re: [MBZ] the super nice 90 420SEL that I sold way too cheap

[John Robbins]

LarryT wrote:
> Whatever he doesn't have he can order from MB - you still get a discount and 
> Rusty service.  But IIRC his Free Shipping doesn't apply to special/dealer 
> orders.

In my case, shipping is much less than driving to the closest dealer. 
One is 2 hours away and another is 1.5 hours away in the opposite 
direction.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Q

[jfreezn]

I am pretty sure these belts use an explosive charge, in the winder,?to 
pre-tension the belts in a collision.? My guess is they are a one time use 
(like an airbag) and at least part of them must be repaced.? Demand may have 
exceeded availability.

Jim in Phoenix


Friends have an 01 (I think) E430 4Matic. It was rear ended hard enough to set 
off some sensor that locks the seat
belts but then has to be replaced. This was a month ago and they still cannot 
drive the car because the dealer is
still waiting for the part. They have been told it has to come from Germany.

Anyone encounter this sort of thing? Seems odd that this part is so hard to 
come 
by. Can't help wondering if they
could get it out of the US by overnight courier instead of waiting for some 
munchkins in Germany to produce it.




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Sent: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:16 am
Subject: [MBZ] Seat Belt Q



Friends have an 01 (I think) E430 4Matic. It was rear ended hard enough to set 
off some sensor that locks the seat
belts but then has to be replaced. This was a month ago and they still cannot 
drive the car because the dealer is
still waiting for the part. They have been told it has to come from Germany.

Anyone encounter this sort of thing? Seems odd that this part is so hard to 
come 
by. Can't help wondering if they
could get it out of the US by overnight courier instead of waiting for some 
munchkins in Germany to produce it.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] the super nice 90 420SEL that I sold way too cheap

[LarryT]

Whatever he doesn't have he can order from MB - you still get a discount and 
Rusty service.  But IIRC his Free Shipping doesn't apply to special/dealer 
orders.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the super nice 90 420SEL that I sold way too cheap


> Does Rusty stock most parts to keep a Euro car such as the 500SE running
> happy?
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 12/02/2008, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> We really need to get together and do some trading - I have a 240D
>> that I don't need anymore, and an SLC that I'm not so in love with
>> anymore -- and would like to have another 124 Diesel.
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2008 7:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > dont have one!!  about the only thing I have that I can sell right now
>> > is a euro 500SE
>> >
>> >
>> > Rich Thomas wrote:
>> > > Sell them a 240D, a bit less temptation, and even if they had
>> > > temptation, the 240D would not be compliant.
>>
>> --
>> OK Don, KD5NRO
>> Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] Does he really mean it?

[Rusty Cullens]

No. C class replaced the W201. E class replaced the W123.


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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Does he really mean it?


> How do others feel about the C class?  I sat in one at the dealers and it
> seemed incredibly small and difficult to get in & out of.  Nothing like my
> W123 or W124.  I think the C class is supposed to be comparable to the 
> W123
> and the E class is comparable to the W124, correct?
>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:00 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Does he really mean it?
>
>
>>
>> So, is it really theft if he invites you to steal it?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/car/564118434.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: CHevy 265/283/302/305/350/366/400/427 small blocks

[jfreezn]

the Corvette Z06, released in 2006, is powered by an LS7, a?427 inch variation 
of the 265 inch small block, as well.? Producing 505 HP, it?was the only 
production?car over 400 HP to avoid the gas guzzler tax.

The "400" badged cars of the 70s could have been either a small block, or a 
smog version of the big block, dispacing 403 cu inch.

Finally, a twin turbo version of the LS7 is making the news lately, with 
somewhere about 650 HP, when released, and using a few LESS cubic inches which 
will allow a beefier block.

Jim in Phoenix


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Sent: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 & MB at speed



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Originaly the 265 Cu/in V8.  Very early ones had bad cranks, evolved in one 
> of 
the most widly used engines in our time.  They have been made up to 400 cu/in, 
and very stout!


So my dad's Chevy Kingswood wagon with '400' badges on the fenders had a
small block? My sister had the same car with a 327. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Free Shipping?

[LarryT]

I know the customer pays for shipping - hell, the customer pays for 
*everything* - but to think it costs the vendor nothing is incorrect.  If 
the S&H were a line item like everything else it would be easier to define 
and control - whenever a vendor offers "Free" shipping, it's true to say the 
customer pays, but the vendor also must "pay" a part.  Actually to say the 
vendor pays is not accurate - actually it comes from his profit area.  Also, 
with the internet it's possible to check prices cross a wide range of 
vendors - even though the parts are nopt comparable - so you might get a 
quote on a widget amplifier for $200 from Rusty and another quote for the 
same part name for $75.  But you have no way of knowing that Rustys parts 
are made in Germany (likely by a Turk working on a production line ;-) and 
the other vendor is buying his parts from China made by who knows.  So, 
while it looks like you are doing comparison shopping you are only going 
half way.  There's no way of knowing the true quality until the parts is 
installed and works or doesn't work. If it works, fine - at least for a 
while, if not, I would bet Rusty is easier to deal with that some other 
people - especially eBayers who disappear frequently.

So, while it says Free Shipping it is built into the price - which the 
customer pays but the vendor *has* to make money or he won't be around very 
long.  Hopefully, the pricing is something like this - cost of part - $60, 
overhead (advertising, office space, phone, etc) $10, free shipping $5, 
profit $25 - total $100.  If the S&H increases as it does frequently the 
shipping cost might go to $10 and profit will go down to $20.  Total price 
stays the same.  Same thing happens when the rent or insurance goes up - 
profit goes down or price goes up.  And with those websites featuring 
Chinese & other parts offering split second pricing, it can be difficult for 
Rusty to raise his price everytime UPS raises theirs - also, Rusty matches 
other internet prices putting more pressure on him to keep prices down.

Basic business stuff.  If any of you ever want to open or run your own 
business you need to understand the basics.  Otherwise the doors close 
pretty fast.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Free Shipping?


> We only offer "free" shipping because my %%$$##@@ competitors do. Before
> there were 42,976 other people doing this we charged shipping on all 
> orders.
> I wish we still did, we spend an enormous amount on shipping.
>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Free Shipping?
>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> You are right on target!  Remember TANSTAAFL?
>>
>> "Free" is one of the most overused terms in all advertising!   The
>> more appropriate statement would be "Orders over $99 shipped at no
>> direct charge to you."  We all should know that those $'s are
>> somewhere in the "cost of doing business" and incorporated into "mark
>> up".
>>
>> Personally, I would rather just pay the product price plus the going
>> UPS/USPS/FedEx shipping cost.
>>
>> As a business owner, I certainly would want to know how much my "free
>> shipping" costs are (% of total $'s of orders over $99) and spread
>> that cost when pricing my products.
>>
>> One more thought - Actual shipping costs are based on weight and
>> volume (size of box).  Why is "free" shipping based on order amount?
>> Just an inquiring mind!
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Chuck
>> Phoenix AZ
>> On Feb 12, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote:
>>
>>> There is no such thing as "free shipping". Regardless of the business,
>>> shipping is paid by the customer or it is absorbed by the seller and
>>> paid for indirectly by the customer.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Tom
>>> 256-656-1924
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Does he really mean it?

[LarryT]

How do others feel about the C class?  I sat in one at the dealers and it 
seemed incredibly small and difficult to get in & out of.  Nothing like my 
W123 or W124.  I think the C class is supposed to be comparable to the W123 
and the E class is comparable to the W124, correct?

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>
> So, is it really theft if he invites you to steal it?
>
> Randy
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[MBZ] Seat Belt Q

[R A Bennell]

Friends have an 01 (I think) E430 4Matic. It was rear ended hard enough to set 
off some sensor that locks the seat
belts but then has to be replaced. This was a month ago and they still cannot 
drive the car because the dealer is
still waiting for the part. They have been told it has to come from Germany.

Anyone encounter this sort of thing? Seems odd that this part is so hard to 
come by. Can't help wondering if they
could get it out of the US by overnight courier instead of waiting for some 
munchkins in Germany to produce it.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200

[John Freer]

I thought the W124 had the bottom plastic cladding in 89?

On 2/13/08, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After looking at several, I often find that leaving the mileage out of an ad
> is never a good sign. :-)
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 13/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe that's a Cherry example but the price seems on the high side for a
> > 89
> > 300 gasser (IMO)
> >
> > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:19 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200
> >
> >
> > > Saw this in the Houston paper this morning, wasn't someone looking for a
> > > 300E?  If anyone is interested I could probably go take a look at it if
> > > it isn't too far away.  I think that phone is a cell.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > http://cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp?DLVin=275-22651337
> > >
> > > *1989 MERCEDES-BENZ CL-CLASS *
> > > * $4,200 * Email Seller
> > >  *
> > > Save to 'My Portfolio'  > >
> > SaveSelect('275-22651337','0','75','|||cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp');>
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * Seller Comments:  * `89 Mercedes 300E $4200. Clean, original
> > > everything. Minor dent on front driver's side panel, est. repair cost
> > > $300. Price lowered from $4500 to cover this cost. Call any time, day or
> > > night. (281) 905-2481
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Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?

[Mitch Haley]

Rusty Cullens wrote:
 
> DHL is horrible in rural areas. We have many people not in large cities.

My phone company shipped me a SIM card (approximate net weight 2-3 grams)
in a 9x12 DHL envelope. The driver threw it on the porch w/o even knocking.
The wind was gusting to 25 knots that afternoon. I'm amazed it was still
there in front of the door when I found it two hours later. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 & MB at speed

[E M]

What was the old joke, "they upped the performance by boring them out and
thus saving weight"?  hee hee

Ed
300E

On 13/02/2008, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Originaly the 265 Cu/in V8.  Very early ones had bad cranks, evolved in
> one of the most widly used engines in our time.  They have been made up to
> 400 cu/in, and very stout!
>
>
> So my dad's Chevy Kingswood wagon with '400' badges on the fenders had a
> small block? My sister had the same car with a 327.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 & MB at speed

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Originaly the 265 Cu/in V8.  Very early ones had bad cranks, evolved in one 
> of the most widly used engines in our time.  They have been made up to 400 
> cu/in, and very stout!


So my dad's Chevy Kingswood wagon with '400' badges on the fenders had a
small block? My sister had the same car with a 327. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200

[E M]

After looking at several, I often find that leaving the mileage out of an ad
is never a good sign. :-)

Ed
300E

On 13/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe that's a Cherry example but the price seems on the high side for a
> 89
> 300 gasser (IMO)
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:19 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200
>
>
> > Saw this in the Houston paper this morning, wasn't someone looking for a
> > 300E?  If anyone is interested I could probably go take a look at it if
> > it isn't too far away.  I think that phone is a cell.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > http://cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp?DLVin=275-22651337
> >
> > *1989 MERCEDES-BENZ CL-CLASS *
> > * $4,200 * Email Seller
> >  *
> > Save to 'My Portfolio'  >
> SaveSelect('275-22651337','0','75','|||cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp');>
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> > * Seller Comments:  * `89 Mercedes 300E $4200. Clean, original
> > everything. Minor dent on front driver's side panel, est. repair cost
> > $300. Price lowered from $4500 to cover this cost. Call any time, day or
> > night. (281) 905-2481
> >
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Re: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200

[Chuck Landenberger]

There is a badge on the right side of the trunk lid.  Makes me think  
it's a 2.6 or 2.8 in the 300E badged 124

Couldn't get a good focus in the pic.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Feb 13, 2008, at 9:11 AM, LarryT wrote:

> Maybe that's a Cherry example but the price seems on the high side  
> for a 89
> 300 gasser (IMO)
>
> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:19 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200
>
>
>> Saw this in the Houston paper this morning, wasn't someone looking  
>> for a
>> 300E?  If anyone is interested I could probably go take a look at  
>> it if
>> it isn't too far away.  I think that phone is a cell.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> http://cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp?DLVin=275-22651337
>>
>> *1989 MERCEDES-BENZ CL-CLASS *
>> * $4,200 * Email Seller
>>  *
>> Save to 'My Portfolio' > SaveSelect('275-22651337','0','75','|||cars.chron.com/ 
>> AutoDetail.asp');>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> * Seller Comments:  * `89 Mercedes 300E $4200. Clean, original
>> everything. Minor dent on front driver's side panel, est. repair cost
>> $300. Price lowered from $4500 to cover this cost. Call any time,  
>> day or
>> night. (281) 905-2481
>>
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Re: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200

[LarryT]

Maybe that's a Cherry example but the price seems on the high side for a 89 
300 gasser (IMO)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200


> Saw this in the Houston paper this morning, wasn't someone looking for a
> 300E?  If anyone is interested I could probably go take a look at it if
> it isn't too far away.  I think that phone is a cell.
>
> --R
>
> http://cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp?DLVin=275-22651337
>
> *1989 MERCEDES-BENZ CL-CLASS *
> * $4,200 * Email Seller
>  *
> Save to 'My Portfolio'  SaveSelect('275-22651337','0','75','|||cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp');>
> *
>
>
>
> * Seller Comments:  * `89 Mercedes 300E $4200. Clean, original
> everything. Minor dent on front driver's side panel, est. repair cost
> $300. Price lowered from $4500 to cover this cost. Call any time, day or
> night. (281) 905-2481
>
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Re: [MBZ] Was Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds, now Road Rash-now planes

[MG]

With the Challenger single or two place they really need to be N 
numbered but do come in under the sportplane rules so no medical needed 
if you haven't failed one. The Hawk can also be open sided as the doors 
unzip and you can supposedly get a Hawk single under 245 to qualify for 
ultralight. If you are inclined to go that way. They still will want to 
fly around 45 or so. If you want to go really slow then you need to go 
to one of those MX type planes that I have heard can fly around at 25. 
Then again they only do a max of about 35-40 vs the Challenger and Hawk 
at supposedly 100 but I am a lot more comfortable at 70.

Manfred



Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:40:14 -0600
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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OK - you've widened my horizons - now I have more planes to sort
through. Photography is the driving force for my renewed interest in
flying. Low, Slow, and open are the main criteria. Last time I was PIC
was probably '76 or '77.

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Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 & MB at speed

[pm7088]

Originaly the 265 Cu/in V8.  Very early ones had bad cranks, evolved in one of 
the most widly used engines in our time.  They have been made up to 400 cu/in, 
and very stout!

Pete

-- Original message -- 
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> Larry wrote: 
> 
> "Are the 305/350 engines derivitives of the 283 that Chevy released in the 
> mid 
> 50s?" 
> 
> I don't know. Most of GM's engines use pretty old pushrod technology, but 
> they 
> do seem to have improved it to a point where everything falls apart before 
> the 
> engine. 
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook 
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Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?

[Rusty Cullens]

DHL is horrible in rural areas. We have many people not in large cities.


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?


> Try DHL. I just shipped two big heavy packages (61 and 46 lbs) for$26. 
> UPS wanted around $45 and even Fedex was around $32. Better yet it got 
> there the next day for ground shipping within Florida. Not bad. UPS 
> would have taken at least 3 days to do the same thing.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:48:07 -0600
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> 
> To hell with UPS, go with fedex, much cheaper.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel

[Dave H...]

Boy, don't I wish that I could believe the market is controlled by what the 
consumer wants.

Unfortunately, I feel - no evidence - just feel,  that the consumer wants 
what he/she is aware of/presented with.

The radio was a fantastic thing until B&W television made an appearance. 
Black and White television was absolutely wonderful until Color became 
available.  VHS tapes were all the rage until DVDs became the consumer norm. 
Now there is Blu Ray (or something like that)  HD etc.

Albeit (did I do it right?)LOL   full of commercials broadcast 
television served many generations now in the near future if you don't have 
digital you cannot even watch televiosn.


Dave H...
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel

> "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel economy
>> between North America and the rest of the world is MASSIVE. After
>>
> seeing what's actually available out there, and seeing real world
>> results, you really have to wonder why there's so much foot dragging
>> here with regards to mileage! It makes zero sense! (so it must be a
>> gov't/industry policy)
>
> I think it's more about what the north american market wants...though
> with recent fuel prices pretty consistently over $3.00 a gallon that
> is starting to change...
>
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Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?

[Allan Streib]

MG  writes:

> Try DHL. I just shipped two big heavy packages (61 and 46 lbs) for$26. 
> UPS wanted around $45 and even Fedex was around $32. Better yet it got 
> there the next day for ground shipping within Florida. Not bad. UPS 
> would have taken at least 3 days to do the same thing.

I recently returned a steering rack core by USPS.  Priority Mail, was
only $21 insured and it was a pretty heavy package and also oddly
shaped, a long narrow box.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] I'm too old for this

[MG]

Couldn't you just run the windshield defroster on hot and get the same 
thing. At least here in Florida mine will run the AC compressor at the 
same time to dry the air and then heat it before blowing it onto the 
windshield. Don't know if the AC compressor gets turned off when it gets 
real cold or not as it doesn't get real cold here.

Manfred



Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:26:25 -0500
From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm too old for this
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Lot of us up north forget to run our a/c regularly during the winter,
  me
included, and come Spring time, the seals are all shot.  I must make a
  note
to do it tomorrow, but it's hard sitting in the car with a/c on when
  it's
-25 outside.  Stepping outside the car while it's running doesn't do
  much to
warm one self up either.

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?

[MG]

Try DHL. I just shipped two big heavy packages (61 and 46 lbs) for$26. 
UPS wanted around $45 and even Fedex was around $32. Better yet it got 
there the next day for ground shipping within Florida. Not bad. UPS 
would have taken at least 3 days to do the same thing.

Manfred



Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:48:07 -0600
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To hell with UPS, go with fedex, much cheaper.

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Re: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200

[E M]

Thanks Rich, I'm looking, but need a local car.

Ed
300E

On 13/02/2008, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Saw this in the Houston paper this morning, wasn't someone looking for a
> 300E?  If anyone is interested I could probably go take a look at it if
> it isn't too far away.  I think that phone is a cell.
>
> --R
>
> http://cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp?DLVin=275-22651337
>
> *1989 MERCEDES-BENZ CL-CLASS *
> * $4,200 *  Email Seller
>*
> Save to 'My Portfolio' 
> SaveSelect('275-22651337','0','75','|||cars.chron.com/AutoDetail.asp');>
> *
>
>
>
> * Seller Comments:  *`89 Mercedes 300E $4200. Clean, original
> everything. Minor dent on front driver's side panel, est. repair cost
> $300. Price lowered from $4500 to cover this cost. Call any time, day or
> night. (281) 905-2481
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I'm too old for this

[E M]

Thanks Alex, I'll give that a shot today.

Ed
300E

On 13/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 5:26 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Lot of us up north forget to run our a/c regularly during the winter, me
> > included, and come Spring time, the seals are all shot.  I must make a
> note
> > to do it tomorrow, but it's hard sitting in the car with a/c on when
> it's
> > -25 outside.
>
> If your climate control is working right you won't notice the A/C is
> on in the winter except that the windshield will stay clear.  That's
> what the second button from the left is for.  :)
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel

[Allan Streib]

"Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel economy
> between North America and the rest of the world is MASSIVE. After
> 
seeing what's actually available out there, and seeing real world
> results, you really have to wonder why there's so much foot dragging
> here with regards to mileage! It makes zero sense! (so it must be a
> gov't/industry policy)

I think it's more about what the north american market wants...though
with recent fuel prices pretty consistently over $3.00 a gallon that
is starting to change...

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Electile Dysfunction

[Dave H...]

This is hilarious!  I wish I has thought it up.


Dave H...

--
From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:37 AM
To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Electile Dysfunction

> Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become aroused over any of the 
> choices
> for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
>
> -- 
> Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
> '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (176 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 & MB at speed

[Donald Snook]

Larry wrote:

 "Are the 305/350 engines derivitives of the 283 that Chevy released in the mid 
50s?"

I don't know.  Most of GM's engines use pretty old pushrod technology, but they 
do seem to have improved it to a point where everything falls apart before the 
engine.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT Free Shipping?

[Rusty Cullens]

Tom put those in the envelope. None of our vendors will give us that type of 
service. They will ship UPS, DHL or FedEx, which ever they have accounts 
with.


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Free Shipping?


> Gotta put in a BuyMBParts plug here.
>
> I occasionally (normally?) buy just what I need. Last time, it was four 
> glow
> plugs.
>
> I simply asked Rusty on the phone to ship cheapest possible means, and he
> dropped them (or someone dropped them) into a padded envelope and sent 
> them
> to me 1st class mail. ... $3 shipping vs. arm/leg UPS charges.
>
> Service like this you can't put a price tag on. I think the MBA word for 
> it
> is Good Will.
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 5:15 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> a really good idea
>>
>> and people would still go to benz bin, paying 20% more and getting really
>> poor service.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> LT Don
> http://don.homelinux.net/~don/
>
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade
> The following packages will be replaced
> Prez
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
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Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?

[Rusty Cullens]

FedEx is bad. You have to have a ground pick up & a Air pick up, I don't 
have time for that crap.


Rusty Cullens
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?


> To hell with UPS, go with fedex, much cheaper.
>
> Rusty Cullens wrote:
>> I always forget about the specials page, I will work on that. Not sure 
>> about
>> the selecting parts page, that would be Grays bag. Yes, we went to $99.00
>> free shipping because UPS is raising rates every other day.
>>
>>
>> Rusty Cullens
>> BuyMBparts, Inc.
>> Tel 1-800-741-5252
>> Fax   770-454-9745
>>
>>
> -- 
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>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel

[Jeff Zedic]

That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel economy between
North America and the rest of the world is MASSIVE. After seeing what's
actually available out there, and seeing real world results, you really have
to wonder why there's so much foot dragging here with regards to mileage! It
makes zero sense! (so it must be a gov't/industry policy)


Jeff Zedic
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