Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

gpupdate is the command line utility to force the GP update.  I think it 
is gpupdate /all to update all policies.



fmiser via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 4:19 PM

> > Ed wrote:
> >
> > While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7,
> > and as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress
> > on forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.



> fmiser wrote:
>
> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
> know I will need to someday...



Ed wrote:



You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy
update. Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick
Google can get you the instructions, will track them down later
if you need me to do so.


Okay, I'll look into it.  Thanks!

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Ed Booher via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM
You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 




fmiser via Mercedes 
December 21, 2016 at 3:03 PM

Ed wrote:



While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.


How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
know I will need to someday...

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Ed Booher via Mercedes 
December 20, 2016 at 12:19 PM
While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and as an OS is
fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on forcing the thing out of
auto-update mode. I have come home to one system running 10 that was doing
a compile, only to find out it had failed because the system had rebooted
right in the middle of a job. A POS system with a non-profit I help out at
once couldn't do work for an hour and a half as it booted, said it needed
updates, then forcibly rebooted without any concern to the business it 
just

took down. Microsoft has gone the wrong direction on this one, and has
forgotten that this system is *my* system. I do not lease it from
Microsoft, I do not have a Desktop as a Service. I have systems I need to
run when I have work I need to do.

Application wise, however, I haven't found anything third-party that
refuses to run outright. To the underlying software it isn't that 
different

from 8, relatively speaking, so if it runs on 8 it should run on 10. My
game system is currently running 10.

EdB

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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 19, 2016 at 11:39 AM
I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has 
to use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 
from Windows 7?


Any real reason not to do so now?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Ed wrote:
> >
> > While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7,
> > and as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress
> > on forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.



> fmiser wrote:
>
> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
> know I will need to someday...



Ed wrote:



You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy
update. Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick
Google can get you the instructions, will track them down later
if you need me to do so.


Okay, I'll look into it.  Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Or, since it is a mainly "offline" computer/operation, just make a VM 
with XP.  it is stable and won't restart when $micro$haft$$$ tells it to.



Ed Booher via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM
You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think I figured out how to turn off the auto update in Win7 as this 
morning it was annoying me to download something and restart it.  I'm 
guessing that is a daily occurrence, which if left in auto would trash 
any open apps and work.


--FT


On 12/27/16 2:53 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:


Ed wrote:
While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and

as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.


How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
know I will need to someday...


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Worse part is, one of the Linux distros, might be Ubuntu, can't remember
right now, has announced they are going to do the same to their desktop
version of their distro. Auto update and reboot. Yay!

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Ed Booher  wrote:

> You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
> Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
> the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Ed wrote:
>>>
>>
>> While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
>>> as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
>>> forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.
>>>
>>
>> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
>> know I will need to someday...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Ed wrote:
>>
>
> While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
>> as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
>> forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.
>>
>
> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
> know I will need to someday...
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dunno,  you may be able to buy a new or used motherboard, depending on 
how popular the machine was.  I got a board level repair for $200, but 
that makes no sense if the laptop was a $300 wally land special pentium 
when it was new.


Find a computer shop that will replace the machine if they can't return 
it to you in working condition.  Pay em for doing the bios update.  It 
can't cost that much.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 22, 2016 at 8:53 PM
Exactly

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Exactly

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Bricking a machine due to a failed BIOS update won’t affect the data stored 
> on it, you can just take the hard drive out and put it on anything else and 
> get the data.  It hoses the BIOS EEPROM and you can’t boot the machine again. 
>  In a desktop where you could pull the BIOS chip out and replace it you could 
> recover, but in a laptop where the BIOS chip is soldered to the motherboard 
> you’re pretty much screwed.
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:58 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's why you do a full backup before attempting any such operation.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am somewhat scared to do a bios update. I have done them many times for
>>> many years but had a laptop brick on me once after a failed bios update
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> OK Don
>> 
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's good for the replacement machine that you buy after you bricked the
first one (it was going to die soon anyway ).

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A backup won't do any good if it's bricked and won't even get to the post
> screen
>
>


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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Bricking a machine due to a failed BIOS update won’t affect the data stored on 
it, you can just take the hard drive out and put it on anything else and get 
the data.  It hoses the BIOS EEPROM and you can’t boot the machine again.  In a 
desktop where you could pull the BIOS chip out and replace it you could 
recover, but in a laptop where the BIOS chip is soldered to the motherboard 
you’re pretty much screwed.


Dan


> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:58 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's why you do a full backup before attempting any such operation.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am somewhat scared to do a bios update. I have done them many times for
>> many years but had a laptop brick on me once after a failed bios update
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A backup won't do any good if it's bricked and won't even get to the post screen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 7:58 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's why you do a full backup before attempting any such operation.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am somewhat scared to do a bios update. I have done them many times for
>> many years but had a laptop brick on me once after a failed bios update
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That's why you do a full backup before attempting any such operation.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am somewhat scared to do a bios update. I have done them many times for
> many years but had a laptop brick on me once after a failed bios update
>
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am somewhat scared to do a bios update. I have done them many times for many 
years but had a laptop brick on me once after a failed bios update

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> On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:28 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy, 
> Go to support for whatever computer you have and check for any needed 
> updates, especially the BIOS. There are chip instructions/features that Win10 
> wants that may not have been turned on in the original BIOS in your computer. 
> It's good to keep your BIOS updated regardless. When I loaded Win10 on my two 
> old Dell Vostros (200 and 220), I had to update the BIOS on the 200 in order 
> for Win10 to load because the original BIOS was missing a feature. After 
> updating the BIOS, Win10 loaded and has run fine since back in the Summer. 
> Just some extra info to consider. 
> Best Wishes and Happy Holidays, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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[MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Randy, 
Go to support for whatever computer you have and check for any needed updates, 
especially the BIOS. There are chip instructions/features that Win10 wants that 
may not have been turned on in the original BIOS in your computer. It's good to 
keep your BIOS updated regardless. When I loaded Win10 on my two old Dell 
Vostros (200 and 220), I had to update the BIOS on the 200 in order for Win10 
to load because the original BIOS was missing a feature. After updating the 
BIOS, Win10 loaded and has run fine since back in the Summer. Just some extra 
info to consider. 
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Thanks Fred. Good to know.

RB

On 22/12/2016 12:00 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Randy.

I have  two laptops with first gen I7's running 10 with no issues.

Sony Viao and an HP Pavilion.

YMMV.

Fred


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Randy.

I have  two laptops with first gen I7's running 10 with no issues.

Sony Viao and an HP Pavilion.

YMMV.

Fred


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: [MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

My computer guy was just in and I asked him my question about updating
to 10 from 7.

He initially said he saw no good reason not to do so, but then had a
quick look to see what chip is in this computer.

It is an i7 860 which he says is a 1st generation chip and says he has
encountered problems with running 10 on i5 machines of the 1st generation.

He believes there is a fault in the chip and thus no way to fix it.

He recommended that I not change from 7.

Anyone else run into this scenario?

RB


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[MBZ] OT Windows 10 again

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My computer guy was just in and I asked him my question about updating 
to 10 from 7.


He initially said he saw no good reason not to do so, but then had a 
quick look to see what chip is in this computer.


It is an i7 860 which he says is a 1st generation chip and says he has 
encountered problems with running 10 on i5 machines of the 1st generation.


He believes there is a fault in the chip and thus no way to fix it.

He recommended that I not change from 7.

Anyone else run into this scenario?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Ed wrote:



While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.


How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
know I will need to someday...

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I usually home brew my desktops

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> On Dec 20, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yep sad to see that end for sure!  Well, you may as well wait until you get
> a new machine and it will come with the Win10.  I dont feel that there is
> much sense buying something for an older computer that has a greater chance
> of a hardware failure.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well I guess I should have taken them up on the free upgrade offer.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Totally correct, always set the advanced update settings to "notify to
>>> schedule restart" and that disables the autoreboot that you experienced.
>>> 
>>> Win10 is faster, lighter, and takes up less space on your hard drive.
>> All
>>> good reasons to update.  Also, in 2020 Win7 drops out of microsofts
>> support.
>>> 
>>> Kyle
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and as an OS
>> is
 fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on forcing the thing out of
 auto-update mode. I have come home to one system running 10 that was
>> doing
 a compile, only to find out it had failed because the system had
>> rebooted
 right in the middle of a job. A POS system with a non-profit I help out
>> at
 once couldn't do work for an hour and a half as it booted, said it
>> needed
 updates, then forcibly rebooted without any concern to the business it
>> just
 took down. Microsoft has gone the wrong direction on this one, and has
 forgotten that this system is *my* system. I do not lease it from
 Microsoft, I do not have a Desktop as a Service. I have systems I need
>> to
 run when I have work I need to do.
 
 Application wise, however, I haven't found anything third-party that
 refuses to run outright. To the underlying software it isn't that
>> different
 from 8, relatively speaking, so if it runs on 8 it should run on 10. My
 game system is currently running 10.
 
 EdB
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has
>> to
> use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
> Windows 7?
> 
> Any real reason not to do so now?
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Yep sad to see that end for sure!  Well, you may as well wait until you get
a new machine and it will come with the Win10.  I dont feel that there is
much sense buying something for an older computer that has a greater chance
of a hardware failure.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Well I guess I should have taken them up on the free upgrade offer.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Totally correct, always set the advanced update settings to "notify to
> > schedule restart" and that disables the autoreboot that you experienced.
> >
> > Win10 is faster, lighter, and takes up less space on your hard drive.
> All
> > good reasons to update.  Also, in 2020 Win7 drops out of microsofts
> support.
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and as an OS
> is
> >> fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on forcing the thing out of
> >> auto-update mode. I have come home to one system running 10 that was
> doing
> >> a compile, only to find out it had failed because the system had
> rebooted
> >> right in the middle of a job. A POS system with a non-profit I help out
> at
> >> once couldn't do work for an hour and a half as it booted, said it
> needed
> >> updates, then forcibly rebooted without any concern to the business it
> just
> >> took down. Microsoft has gone the wrong direction on this one, and has
> >> forgotten that this system is *my* system. I do not lease it from
> >> Microsoft, I do not have a Desktop as a Service. I have systems I need
> to
> >> run when I have work I need to do.
> >>
> >> Application wise, however, I haven't found anything third-party that
> >> refuses to run outright. To the underlying software it isn't that
> different
> >> from 8, relatively speaking, so if it runs on 8 it should run on 10. My
> >> game system is currently running 10.
> >>
> >> EdB
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has
> to
> >>> use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
> >>> Windows 7?
> >>>
> >>> Any real reason not to do so now?
> >>>
> >>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I guess I should have taken them up on the free upgrade offer.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Totally correct, always set the advanced update settings to "notify to
> schedule restart" and that disables the autoreboot that you experienced.
> 
> Win10 is faster, lighter, and takes up less space on your hard drive.  All
> good reasons to update.  Also, in 2020 Win7 drops out of microsofts support.
> 
> Kyle
> 
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and as an OS is
>> fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on forcing the thing out of
>> auto-update mode. I have come home to one system running 10 that was doing
>> a compile, only to find out it had failed because the system had rebooted
>> right in the middle of a job. A POS system with a non-profit I help out at
>> once couldn't do work for an hour and a half as it booted, said it needed
>> updates, then forcibly rebooted without any concern to the business it just
>> took down. Microsoft has gone the wrong direction on this one, and has
>> forgotten that this system is *my* system. I do not lease it from
>> Microsoft, I do not have a Desktop as a Service. I have systems I need to
>> run when I have work I need to do.
>> 
>> Application wise, however, I haven't found anything third-party that
>> refuses to run outright. To the underlying software it isn't that different
>> from 8, relatively speaking, so if it runs on 8 it should run on 10. My
>> game system is currently running 10.
>> 
>> EdB
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to
>>> use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
>>> Windows 7?
>>> 
>>> Any real reason not to do so now?
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Totally correct, always set the advanced update settings to "notify to
schedule restart" and that disables the autoreboot that you experienced.

Win10 is faster, lighter, and takes up less space on your hard drive.  All
good reasons to update.  Also, in 2020 Win7 drops out of microsofts support.

Kyle

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and as an OS is
> fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on forcing the thing out of
> auto-update mode. I have come home to one system running 10 that was doing
> a compile, only to find out it had failed because the system had rebooted
> right in the middle of a job. A POS system with a non-profit I help out at
> once couldn't do work for an hour and a half as it booted, said it needed
> updates, then forcibly rebooted without any concern to the business it just
> took down. Microsoft has gone the wrong direction on this one, and has
> forgotten that this system is *my* system. I do not lease it from
> Microsoft, I do not have a Desktop as a Service. I have systems I need to
> run when I have work I need to do.
>
> Application wise, however, I haven't found anything third-party that
> refuses to run outright. To the underlying software it isn't that different
> from 8, relatively speaking, so if it runs on 8 it should run on 10. My
> game system is currently running 10.
>
> EdB
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to
> > use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
> > Windows 7?
> >
> > Any real reason not to do so now?
> >
> > RB
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and as an OS is
fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on forcing the thing out of
auto-update mode. I have come home to one system running 10 that was doing
a compile, only to find out it had failed because the system had rebooted
right in the middle of a job. A POS system with a non-profit I help out at
once couldn't do work for an hour and a half as it booted, said it needed
updates, then forcibly rebooted without any concern to the business it just
took down. Microsoft has gone the wrong direction on this one, and has
forgotten that this system is *my* system. I do not lease it from
Microsoft, I do not have a Desktop as a Service. I have systems I need to
run when I have work I need to do.

Application wise, however, I haven't found anything third-party that
refuses to run outright. To the underlying software it isn't that different
from 8, relatively speaking, so if it runs on 8 it should run on 10. My
game system is currently running 10.

EdB

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to
> use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
> Windows 7?
>
> Any real reason not to do so now?
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've recently changed how I use Windows, I no longer go looking for stuff in 
menus, I hit the windows key on the keyboard and start typing what I want. Its 
way faster than digging around in the start menu for stuff as long as I know 
the name of the application.
-Curt

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 To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?
   
Curley, when I loaded Win10 over Win7, it kept most of my settings. So, aside 
from some small differences, it looks pretty much like Win7 on the surface. 
Now, as I said, some of the setting menus, etc. are different, but the search 
box quickly brings up whatever you're looking for so not a big problem. I think 
the shutdown, go to sleep stuff is somewhat of a carryover from Win7. I 
remember when Windows did updates and then rebooted. With both 7 and 10, it 
updates about 30%, reboots, and then completes as it reloads. I don't like this 
because it can get hung. I think the upgrade completely first and then reboot 
is the best approach. Just my thoughts... 
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Mine have never hung on the re-boot after an upgrade, but there's always a
first time I guess.
I keep perfmon open in one corner all the time - when it's missing, I know
that MS re-booted the box.

You can set it to always load into desktop mode instead of whatever they
call the "new, improved" GUI. Of course, I did it once, and can't remember
how now.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:44 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
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> Curley, when I loaded Win10 over Win7, it kept most of my settings. So,
> aside from some small differences, it looks pretty much like Win7 on the
> surface. Now, as I said, some of the setting menus, etc. are different, but
> the search box quickly brings up whatever you're looking for so not a big
> problem. I think the shutdown, go to sleep stuff is somewhat of a carryover
> from Win7. I remember when Windows did updates and then rebooted. With both
> 7 and 10, it updates about 30%, reboots, and then completes as it reloads.
> I don't like this because it can get hung. I think the upgrade completely
> first and then reboot is the best approach. Just my thoughts...
> Best Wishes and Happy Holidays,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curley, when I loaded Win10 over Win7, it kept most of my settings. So, aside 
from some small differences, it looks pretty much like Win7 on the surface. 
Now, as I said, some of the setting menus, etc. are different, but the search 
box quickly brings up whatever you're looking for so not a big problem. I think 
the shutdown, go to sleep stuff is somewhat of a carryover from Win7. I 
remember when Windows did updates and then rebooted. With both 7 and 10, it 
updates about 30%, reboots, and then completes as it reloads. I don't like this 
because it can get hung. I think the upgrade completely first and then reboot 
is the best approach. Just my thoughts... 
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

7 can be set pretty much back to Win 2k, I'm looking at one right now, its 
semi-pretty but I always adjust for "best performance".

-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?
   
Does anyone make a "classic" GUI for lose10?  As near as I can tell, 
starting with 7 and Server 2008, there is no longer a way to set things 
back to the "Classic" GUI for consistency and ease of use, not to 
mention fewer resources needed.

I moved a couple of machines to it while it was free.  No advantage I 
can tell, except patches^24 for a while longer.
> rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> December 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM
> Well, I think I've listed this before in a previous discussion, 
> but I've loaded Win10 on two old Dell Vostro Core2Duos running 4 
> gig of memory. They both are fine. I also loaded it on an HP Netbook, 
> atom 1.6 processor and 2 gig of memory...it loads slow, but otherwise 
> is ok. One of the Dells needed a BIOS upgrade. I liked Win 7 and I 
> like Win10. I run the 64bit Pro version except on the Netbook which 
> wants the 32bit version. You need to run through the menus just to see 
> where things have been moved. It seems the children keep wanting to 
> move stuff around. I have not had a problem with Win10 since I loaded 
> it back in the Summer. And I have yet to find any programs that don't 
> work. Just my experience, yours may vary.
> Best Wishes and Happy Holidays,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
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> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Does anyone make a "classic" GUI for lose10?  As near as I can tell, 
starting with 7 and Server 2008, there is no longer a way to set things 
back to the "Classic" GUI for consistency and ease of use, not to 
mention fewer resources needed.


I moved a couple of machines to it while it was free.  No advantage I 
can tell, except patches^24 for a while longer.

rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
December 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM
Well, I think I've listed this before in a previous discussion, 
but I've loaded Win10 on two old Dell Vostro Core2Duos running 4 
gig of memory. They both are fine. I also loaded it on an HP Netbook, 
atom 1.6 processor and 2 gig of memory...it loads slow, but otherwise 
is ok. One of the Dells needed a BIOS upgrade. I liked Win 7 and I 
like Win10. I run the 64bit Pro version except on the Netbook which 
wants the 32bit version. You need to run through the menus just to see 
where things have been moved. It seems the children keep wanting to 
move stuff around. I have not had a problem with Win10 since I loaded 
it back in the Summer. And I have yet to find any programs that don't 
work. Just my experience, yours may vary.

Best Wishes and Happy Holidays,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Well, I think I've listed this before in a previous discussion, but I've 
loaded Win10 on two old Dell Vostro Core2Duos running 4 gig of memory. They 
both are fine. I also loaded it on an HP Netbook, atom 1.6 processor and 2 gig 
of memory...it loads slow, but otherwise is ok. One of the Dells needed a BIOS 
upgrade. I liked Win 7 and I like Win10. I run the 64bit Pro version except on 
the Netbook which wants the 32bit version. You need to run through the menus 
just to see where things have been moved. It seems the children keep wanting to 
move stuff around. I have not had a problem with Win10 since I loaded it back 
in the Summer. And I have yet to find any programs that don't work. Just my 
experience, yours may vary. 
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

One thing to beware is that Win10 doesn't "shut down" normally, it does a 
hybrid suspend thing. Not all computers support it, I happen to own one that 
does not. It worked for awhile, then wouldn't boot. To fix it I had to get into 
safe mode which is annoying (crash out of the system 3 times) but other than 
that not so bad...
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?
   
I had no problems with anything after the switch to W10 - including very
old ham radio programs that I've never bothered to upgrade. the inly gripe
I have with W10 is the auto updating "feature", but I can live with it -
they haven't broken anything in a long time now (in like Apple who trashes
apps on the iPad regularly with their updates).

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> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to
> use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
> Windows 7?
>
> Any real reason not to do so now?
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Win10 is not as bad as I expected. No advantage over Win7 though...

-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:39 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT - Windows?
   
I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to 
use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from 
Windows 7?

Any real reason not to do so now?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I have resisted that since my laptop is a company one  & our IT seems
content with 7. I think Kaleb is right-no longer free.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Dec 19, 2016 12:39 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to
use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
Windows 7?

Any real reason not to do so now?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

There are a couple of exceptions for (still) getting it free, I think one is 
for educational purposes, the other for people with ADA requirements, neither 
of which they verify.

Dan

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> On Dec 19, 2016, at 1:34 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I had no problems with anything after the switch to W10 - including very
> old ham radio programs that I've never bothered to upgrade. the inly gripe
> I have with W10 is the auto updating "feature", but I can live with it -
> they haven't broken anything in a long time now (in like Apple who trashes
> apps on the iPad regularly with their updates).
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to
>> use Windows, is it now a good idea to changes over to Windows 10 from
>> Windows 7?
>> 
>> Any real reason not to do so now?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I had no problems with anything after the switch to W10 - including very
old ham radio programs that I've never bothered to upgrade. the inly gripe
I have with W10 is the auto updating "feature", but I can live with it -
they haven't broken anything in a long time now (in like Apple who trashes
apps on the iPad regularly with their updates).

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to
> use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from
> Windows 7?
>
> Any real reason not to do so now?
>
> RB
>
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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1.ditto what Kleb said. Do you have any reason you NEED to switch?  
Some software may not run right  on lose 10.  You may want to wait for 
17 or whatever they will name the one after 10.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 19, 2016 at 12:24 PM
Well it was free a while back but I don't think it is now, so no good 
reason to switch that I know of.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well it was free a while back but I don't think it is now, so no good reason to 
switch that I know of.

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> On Dec 19, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to use 
> Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from Windows 7?
> 
> Any real reason not to do so now?
> 
> RB
> 
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[MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has to 
use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 from 
Windows 7?


Any real reason not to do so now?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Windows Update Won't

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Can you kill the the svchost process(s)?  I used to do that on an XP box when 
it got bogged down, and if they were really needed, they would automatically 
restart and usually behave.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Windows Update Won't

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On Aug 25, 2015 1:12 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I then tried with some more files and found it again would not download
 anything. I eventually rebooted the laptop, opened the Windows Task
 Manager, and then Windows Update. It again did not download anything.
 The Task Manager says that the CPU is being 100% utilized and that
 svchost.exe is the process that is doing the hogging.

There are a number of viruses that grab svchost and then go crazy.  There
are also several legitimate Windows services that occasionally go nuts as
well, the latter are usually self-healing when they finish or hit the
timeout.  At a guess it was doing a drive scan or something, stimulated by
the reboot.

Windows Update is very sensitive to network connections and other services
queuing up behind it.  The on-demand buttons seem to just be an illusion, I
think it just queries state stored from the last connection.  Anyway I
often have to stop and start the Windows Update service or the BITS service
to get it going.

If you don't have all the service packs, downloading those on another
system and installing them directly might ease some of the pain.

 Who is being reminded why he dislikes Windows.

This is nothing, just wait until you corrupt the registry! (Though to be
fair, my w7 systems have been exceptionally stable, at least once they got
setup and updated initially.)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Windows Update Won't

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Hey, Craig:
Ccleaner sometimes solves 100% usage;  http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner

If not, try:
 
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/FiguringOutWhyMySVCHOSTEXEIsAt100CPUWithoutComplicatedToolsInWindows7.aspx

Good luck,
Gerry
P.S. I've been using Ccleaner for a long time on Window 7 when the computer 
slows down. It's never caused problems.
...
Craig wrote:

 I have been fighting all evening to get Windows Update on our Windows 7
 laptop to update software. When I installed Windows 7 Home Premium, I did
 update a number of packages, but I stopped it when I needed our limited
 Internet throughput for something else
 
 Tonight, I initially selected all packages which needed to be updated
 (500 MB). Nothing happened. After much fiddling, I got things set to try
 again. This time I selected only one update (of a whopping 32 kB).
 Windows update first set a restore point and actually downloaded the file
 and installed it.
 
 I then tried with some more files and found it again would not download
 anything. I eventually rebooted the laptop, opened the Windows Task
 Manager, and then Windows Update. It again did not download anything.
 The Task Manager says that the CPU is being 100% utilized and that
 svchost.exe is the process that is doing the hogging.
 
 Does anyone have any suggestions? Do I need to reinstall Windows?
  
 Craig
 Who is being reminded why he dislikes Windows.
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Windows Update Won't

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

It's working its heart out trying to figure out what has been installed and what
has not?
You might just leave it on overnight and see if it's back to normal in the
morning. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Windows Update Won't

[G Mann via Mercedes]

As soon as Windows 3.0 finishes loading, I will try Windows 7 expect it
to complete about 2019..

 Sarcasam off


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 I have been fighting all evening to get Windows Update on our Windows 7
 laptop to update software. When I installed Windows 7 Home Premium, I did
 update a number of packages, but I stopped it when I needed our limited
 Internet throughput for something else

 Tonight, I initially selected all packages which needed to be updated
 (500 MB). Nothing happened. After much fiddling, I got things set to try
 again. This time I selected only one update (of a whopping 32 kB).
 Windows update first set a restore point and actually downloaded the file
 and installed it.

 I then tried with some more files and found it again would not download
 anything. I eventually rebooted the laptop, opened the Windows Task
 Manager, and then Windows Update. It again did not download anything.
 The Task Manager says that the CPU is being 100% utilized and that
 svchost.exe is the process that is doing the hogging.

 Does anyone have any suggestions? Do I need to reinstall Windows?


 Craig
 Who is being reminded why he dislikes Windows.


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[MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Windows Update Won't

[Craig via Mercedes]

I have been fighting all evening to get Windows Update on our Windows 7
laptop to update software. When I installed Windows 7 Home Premium, I did
update a number of packages, but I stopped it when I needed our limited
Internet throughput for something else

Tonight, I initially selected all packages which needed to be updated
(500 MB). Nothing happened. After much fiddling, I got things set to try
again. This time I selected only one update (of a whopping 32 kB).
Windows update first set a restore point and actually downloaded the file
and installed it.

I then tried with some more files and found it again would not download
anything. I eventually rebooted the laptop, opened the Windows Task
Manager, and then Windows Update. It again did not download anything.
The Task Manager says that the CPU is being 100% utilized and that
svchost.exe is the process that is doing the hogging.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Do I need to reinstall Windows?


Craig
Who is being reminded why he dislikes Windows.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:08:05 -0400 Tim Crone via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On Jul 29, 2015 2:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  Now I just need to how to activate my installation of Win7.

 Windows will try to activate over the internet with the key you gave for
 install, if it wasn't installed on that machine before.  

I knew our laptop would be booted on Windows only little, so I told it
during installation that I would do it manually later.


 You should not have to enable any special services.

Good.


 If you open properties on my computer it will say whether the system
 is activated.  I don't think there's a persistent affirmative message.

I did open the properties of computer and found a message that it
wasn't activated, but there was also a link to activate it. I clicked on
the link and it asked if I wanted to activate it on-line now or later, I
clicked now and it started the process. About 15 seconds later, it said
the system was activated and was genuine Windows.

Thanks for the help!


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

On Jul 29, 2015 2:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Now I just need to how to activate my installation of Win7.

Windows will try to activate over the internet with the key you gave for
install, if it wasn't installed on that machine before.  If the activation
fails, you'll get a message in the system tray, but only after you have
connected to the internet at least once (i.e. your NIC works).  I'm not
sure what happens after the activation timer expires (30 days or whatever
it is now).  You should not have to enable any special services.

If you open properties on my computer it will say whether the system is
activated.  I don't think there's a persistent affirmative message.

You might be able to force activation by running Windows Update and
installing the Malware Detection application.  I usually just wait it out.

If you are only offline, I think you will eventually get the same icon in
the system tray, and it will present a dialog box with information on how
you can call in to get an activation key.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:27:09 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  From my experience, Win7 is ornery about booting so I'm
  reluctant to advise Just try it.  But the root command
  looks correct for legacy GRUB.  

Well, I did, Just try it, and it worked. I performed the following
steps:

1. Boot SystemRescue CD.
2. Execute startx
3. At a terminal prompt, type, grub enter.
4. Type, root (hd0,2).
5. Type, setup (hd0).
6. Type, quit.
7. Reboot.


 Kinda redundant to startx from a terminal just to open an
 xterm, isn't it?  *smiles*

Well, if one wants to run Gparted to make sure things are OK, it's quite
necessary ...


Now I just need to how to activate my installation of Win7.


Craig

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[MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[Craig via Mercedes]

I have just installed Windows 7 Home Premium on our Dell Inspiron 600m
(old, outdated, underpowered, etc.) dual-boot with Linux laptop.

I have some questions:

1. How do I run Windows Update?

2. How do I manually run Windows authorization/activation (which must be
   done in the first 30 days)?

   There is a Window feature in the Control Panel called Windows Process
   Activation Service with the sub-entries of:
- .NET Environment
- Configuration APIs
- Process Model

   Are these things I should turn on?

3. What are XPS documents?

   I want to be able to print to postscript so I can transfer the
   postscript (with all the fonts) to my Linux system to make new PDFs
   to replace ones which were made on a Windows system without all fonts
   embedded (which are hard to read on Linux). Is that at all related?

4. Installing Windows 7, of course, over-wrote my GRUB boot sector
   information. I have a procedure to fix the boot system of our main
   computer, which is single-boot and has /boot as /dev/sda1:

1. Boot SystemRescue CD.
2. Execute startx
3. At a terminal prompt, type, grub enter.
4. Type, root (hd0,0).
5. Type, setup (hd0).
6. Type, quit.
7. Reboot.

   Since the laptop has

First partition  - Windows 7
Second partition - another NTFS partition
Third partition  - /boot,
   
   should I change line 4 above to: Type, root (hd0,2) ?

5. Can I go ahead and install Dell's XP drivers and have things work
   properly? The network is now working properly, so I figure I should
   not install that driver, but the audio is not working.

6. Anything else I should know?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[fmiser via Mercedes]

 Craig wrote:
 
 I have just installed Windows 7 Home Premium

I know very little 'bout Win7

 3. What are XPS documents?
 
I want to be able to print to postscript so I can
 transfer the postscript (with all the fonts) to my Linux
 system to make new PDFs to replace ones which were made on
 a Windows system without all fonts embedded (which are hard
 to read on Linux). Is that at all related?

When I must use MSWin, I use PDFCreator to print PDF
files.  I believe it is based on Ghostscript - and although I
haven't tested it extensively, it seems to embed the fonts.
GPL licensed.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/

 4. Installing Windows 7, of course, over-wrote my GRUB boot
 sector information.

GRUB or GRUB2?  They are quite different.

 I have a procedure to fix the boot
 system of our main computer, which is single-boot and
 has /boot as /dev/sda1:
 
 1. Boot SystemRescue CD.
 2. Execute startx
 3. At a terminal prompt, type, grub enter.

Kinda redundant to startx from a terminal just to open an
xterm, isn't it?  *smiles*

 4. Type, root (hd0,0).
 5. Type, setup (hd0).
 6. Type, quit.
 7. Reboot.

That looks like GRUB legacy.

Since the laptop has
 
 First partition  - Windows 7
 Second partition - another NTFS partition
 Third partition  - /boot,

should I change line 4 above to: Type, root (hd0,2) ?

Maybe.  I tried to migrate a physical Win7 to a virtual
machine and this dual partition thwarted me and I failed.  On
mine, the first partition was very small and was the Win7
boot.  The second partition was the real Win location.

From my experience, Win7 is ornery about booting so I'm
reluctant to advise Just try it.  But the root command
looks correct for legacy GRUB.  

However, I gave up on dual boot a long time ago.  MS Win is
now always in a virtual machine (VirtualBox most recently).
So long as there is enough RAM, it works just fine

 6. Anything else I should know?

I sure like having my MSWin as a guest OS.  It means I don't
have to have as much software installed in MSWin because both
the guest and the host are running.  And I set up the
networking so the guest can't reach the internet.  And it's
easy to make a backup of the guest - or migrate to another
host.  Oh, and I can copy/paste between the guest and the
host.  The only disadvantage I've found is the need for RAM.

I have an laptop that shipped with WinXP, that I put the
maximum of 1G RAM and it was quite usable running a OpenBox
on the host and WinXP on the guest.  Not peppy, but usable.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig,

1.  Windows Update: Short: type windows update in the dialogue box that
opens just above the start button, after you click the start button.  Long:
you should have a Control Panel option on the menu when you click on the
Start button (which is the Windows symbol, round and in bottom left
corner).  Select the Control Panel, look for a choice that includes Windows
Update.

5.  In my research I read on the internet, if the Win7 install does not
have a driver that works, you should be able to install the driver from the
OE CD and it probably will work and won't break anything.  Try it now while
breaking it and reloading Win7 is still relatively painless.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:06:01 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Craig,
 
 1.  Windows Update: Short: type windows update in the dialogue box
 that opens just above the start button, after you click the start
 button.  Long: you should have a Control Panel option on the menu
 when you click on the Start button (which is the Windows symbol,
 round and in bottom left corner).  Select the Control Panel, look for a
 choice that includes Windows Update.

Yes, you are right, it is on the Control Panel, and easily visible if one
has it display all entries instead of categories.

In XP, it was at the top of the start menu and readily visible.


 5.  In my research I read on the internet, if the Win7 install does
 not have a driver that works, you should be able to install the driver
 from the OE CD and it probably will work and won't break anything.  Try
 it now while breaking it and reloading Win7 is still relatively
 painless.

Hmmm ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows 7 Questions

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:08:39 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 When I must use MSWin, I use PDFCreator to print PDF
 files.  I believe it is based on Ghostscript - and although I
 haven't tested it extensively, it seems to embed the fonts.
 GPL licensed.
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/

Thank you for the link, Fred, that sounds like what I need.


 From my experience, Win7 is ornery about booting so I'm
 reluctant to advise Just try it.  But the root command
 looks correct for legacy GRUB.  
 
 However, I gave up on dual boot a long time ago.  MS Win is
 now always in a virtual machine (VirtualBox most recently).
 So long as there is enough RAM, it works just fine

My Linux installation is complete and I use it as a backup location. I'd
like to get access to it as easily as possible.


 I have an laptop that shipped with WinXP, that I put the
 maximum of 1G RAM and it was quite usable running a OpenBox
 on the host and WinXP on the guest.  Not peppy, but usable.

This laptop also shipped with XP and has 1G RAM. Win7 seems
less peppy than XP, so I don't want to change from a dual boot.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[redghost]

no boot camp.  Go for Parallels.  works fine and you can swap between  
OS without having to restart, as you would with boob camp.



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On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

I don't think there is a mac list on Okiebenz so I will annoy y'all  
with this.


Task is to put some flavor of Windows on an iMac 3.2GHz Intel Core  
13 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 Mac OSX 10.6.5


I have lots of stuff on my old XP box  so I would like to import/ 
install some of these apps on the Macwindows as they are only  
windows (and some XP) apps.


Questions:

What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is  
Boot Camp for XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or.   
VMWare or Parallels will run a window with windows (!!), so that  
seems like a better choice.


What flavor of Windows?  I want to keep my XP box running, so I will  
need to get a new WinXP (and which version?, and how do I know they  
aren't some chinee ripoffs?) or Win7 -- it appears that Win7 has  
some sort of XP emulator so old XP apps can run on it?


Help me decide!

--R

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[MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Rich Thomas]

I don't think there is a mac list on Okiebenz so I will annoy y'all with 
this.


Task is to put some flavor of Windows on an iMac 3.2GHz Intel Core 13 
4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 Mac OSX 10.6.5


I have lots of stuff on my old XP box  so I would like to import/install 
some of these apps on the Macwindows as they are only windows (and some 
XP) apps.


Questions:

What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is Boot 
Camp for XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or.  VMWare or 
Parallels will run a window with windows (!!), so that seems like a 
better choice.


What flavor of Windows?  I want to keep my XP box running, so I will 
need to get a new WinXP (and which version?, and how do I know they 
aren't some chinee ripoffs?) or Win7 -- it appears that Win7 has some 
sort of XP emulator so old XP apps can run on it?


Help me decide!

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is Boot Camp
 for XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or.  VMWare or Parallels
 will run a window with windows (!!), so that seems like a better choice.

I'm sold on VMWare over Parallels or VirtualBox for one essential
feature that the former has and the others don't: automatic key
remapping so that when you switch into Windows the Alt key is where a
touch-typist expects it to be (next to the spacebar, rather than next
to the Control key as the key labeled Alt [really Option] is on Macs).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Dieselhead]

I use the boot camp and XP Pro.  No complaints.  A VM works but wants 
LOTS of memory.  I believe you can install your current XP on a VM 
without problem.  I'd sure never spend money on Winders 7 to run XP 
apps.




I don't think there is a mac list on Okiebenz so I will annoy y'all with this.

Task is to put some flavor of Windows on an iMac 3.2GHz Intel Core 
13 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 Mac OSX 10.6.5


I have lots of stuff on my old XP box  so I would like to 
import/install some of these apps on the Macwindows as they are only 
windows (and some XP) apps.


Questions:

What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is 
Boot Camp for XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or. 
VMWare or Parallels will run a window with windows (!!), so that 
seems like a better choice.


What flavor of Windows?  I want to keep my XP box running, so I will 
need to get a new WinXP (and which version?, and how do I know they 
aren't some chinee ripoffs?) or Win7 -- it appears that Win7 has 
some sort of XP emulator so old XP apps can run on it?


Help me decide!

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Rich Thomas]

Does windows want to go off and certify itself or something?  Or if I 
just load my XP (or make an SP2 update disk) will it run without all that?


--R

On 1/6/2011 11:12 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
I use the boot camp and XP Pro.  No complaints.  A VM works but wants 
LOTS of memory.  I believe you can install your current XP on a VM 
without problem.  I'd sure never spend money on Winders 7 to run XP apps.



I don't think there is a mac list on Okiebenz so I will annoy y'all 
with this.


Task is to put some flavor of Windows on an iMac 3.2GHz Intel Core 13 
4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 Mac OSX 10.6.5


I have lots of stuff on my old XP box  so I would like to 
import/install some of these apps on the Macwindows as they are only 
windows (and some XP) apps.


Questions:

What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is 
Boot Camp for XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or. VMWare 
or Parallels will run a window with windows (!!), so that seems like 
a better choice.


What flavor of Windows?  I want to keep my XP box running, so I will 
need to get a new WinXP (and which version?, and how do I know they 
aren't some chinee ripoffs?) or Win7 -- it appears that Win7 has some 
sort of XP emulator so old XP apps can run on it?


Help me decide!

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Dieselhead]

XP still wants to phone home  (activate)  I think you have 30 or 60 
days.  However in the past couple of years M$ seems to let it 
activate itself without hassle, unlike the early days.  I used to try 
to phone in if I had time, just to cost them more resources for their 
foolishness.


Don't try to beat the activation.  just let XP connect, or phone it in.


Does windows want to go off and certify itself or something?  Or if 
I just load my XP (or make an SP2 update disk) will it run without 
all that?


--R

On 1/6/2011 11:12 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
I use the boot camp and XP Pro.  No complaints.  A VM works but 
wants LOTS of memory.  I believe you can install your current XP on 
a VM without problem.  I'd sure never spend money on Winders 7 to 
run XP apps.


I don't think there is a mac list on Okiebenz so I will annoy 
y'all with this.


Task is to put some flavor of Windows on an iMac 3.2GHz Intel Core 
13 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 Mac OSX 10.6.5


I have lots of stuff on my old XP box  so I would like to 
import/install some of these apps on the Macwindows as they are 
only windows (and some XP) apps.


Questions:

What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is 
Boot Camp for XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or. 
VMWare or Parallels will run a window with windows (!!), so that 
seems like a better choice.


What flavor of Windows?  I want to keep my XP box running, so I 
will need to get a new WinXP (and which version?, and how do I 
know they aren't some chinee ripoffs?) or Win7 -- it appears that 
Win7 has some sort of XP emulator so old XP apps can run on it?


Help me decide!

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 A VM works but wants LOTS
 of memory.

True, but that of course depends on what OS you want to virtualize.  I
get along fine by running W2K under VMWare; it's happy with only 512
Mb.   But then I'm only using it to run Office 2003, which doesn't
need XP.  Rich, does the software you want to run really require XP?
Legit boxed copies of W2K are available on fleaBay for less than $100.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Allan Streib]

I use VirtualBox from Sun (now Oracle).

http://www.virtualbox.org/

Free  Open Source.

Works well to run Win7 on my Mac.

Allan


Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes:

 I don't think there is a mac list on Okiebenz so I will annoy y'all
 with this.

 Task is to put some flavor of Windows on an iMac 3.2GHz Intel Core 13
 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 Mac OSX 10.6.5

 I have lots of stuff on my old XP box  so I would like to
 import/install some of these apps on the Macwindows as they are only
 windows (and some XP) apps.

 Questions:

 What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is Boot
 Camp for XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or.  VMWare or
 Parallels will run a window with windows (!!), so that seems like a
 better choice.

 What flavor of Windows?  I want to keep my XP box running, so I will
 need to get a new WinXP (and which version?, and how do I know they
 aren't some chinee ripoffs?) or Win7 -- it appears that Win7 has some
 sort of XP emulator so old XP apps can run on it?

 Help me decide!

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows on Mac

[Lwb250]

BootCamp for XP, Parallels for pretty much anything else.

And yes, VM ware is free or cheap, but you better have your RAM maxed out or it 
won't work for crap.

MacDann

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On Jan 6, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
wrote:

I don't think there is a mac list on Okiebenz so I will annoy y'all with this.

Task is to put some flavor of Windows on an iMac 3.2GHz Intel Core 13 4GB 1333 
Mhz DDR3 Mac OSX 10.6.5

I have lots of stuff on my old XP box  so I would like to import/install some 
of these apps on the Macwindows as they are only windows (and some XP) apps.

Questions:

What flavor of windows thingie should I get?  Looks like there is Boot Camp for 
XP and some other stuff, but that is either/or.  VMWare or Parallels will run a 
window with windows (!!), so that seems like a better choice.

What flavor of Windows?  I want to keep my XP box running, so I will need to 
get a new WinXP (and which version?, and how do I know they aren't some chinee 
ripoffs?) or Win7 -- it appears that Win7 has some sort of XP emulator so old 
XP apps can run on it?

Help me decide!

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows Live?

[Douglas]

Is it Live Mail that you are asking about? I have been using it since I 
switched to windows 7 works fine.


Douglas

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Subject: [MBZ]  OT Windows Live?



Anyone using Windows Live? Opinions?

My internet provider is sending out messages telling us to opt into 
Windows Live.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows Live?

[R A Bennell]

Thanks. Good to hear it works. I am always a bit reluctant when forced to do 
things like this - especially when it
is Microsoft.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rick Knoble
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows Live?



 Anyone using Windows Live? Opinions?

 My internet provider is sending out messages telling us to opt into Windows 
 Live.

 Randy

I use Windows Live on my Windows machines. For a home computer it works fine. 
Easy to set up email accounts, easy
to import mail, easy to migrate mail between accounts. It supports nested 
folders for email storage also. I have no
complaints. The folders for backing up my email were pretty easy to find also.

I do not know how well it plays with other email clients, I upgraded from 
Outlook Express.

Someday I will make a go at Thunderbird on my Linux machine. Currently I just 
use web based email on that.

Rick







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[MBZ] OT Windows Live?

[R A Bennell]

Anyone using Windows Live? Opinions?

My internet provider is sending out messages telling us to opt into Windows 
Live.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows Live?

[Rick Knoble]

 Anyone using Windows Live? Opinions?

 My internet provider is sending out messages telling us to opt into Windows 
 Live.

 Randy

I use Windows Live on my Windows machines. For a home computer it works fine. 
Easy to set up email accounts, easy to import mail, easy to migrate mail 
between accounts. It supports nested folders for email storage also. I have no 
complaints. The folders for backing up my email were pretty easy to find also.

I do not know how well it plays with other email clients, I upgraded from 
Outlook Express. 

Someday I will make a go at Thunderbird on my Linux machine. Currently I just 
use web based email on that.

Rick






  
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows Live?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:41:54 -0700 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Someday I will make a go at Thunderbird on my Linux machine. Currently
 I just use web based email on that.

Try Sylpheed. http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Douglas]

We switched from Norton to Symantec endpoint at work last year. Norton was 
a dog, endpoint is fine...


My wife's computer at work has AVAST! which I find to be pretty good.

Its always hard to tell though, are we really being protected or do we 
care more that the computer runs well?


I put the windows essential on Windows 7 RC and it seems to be fine. Will 
probably go with that. on the others when I do the motherboard CPU change.






How is your Mac Wall street?

I haven't used it much as it needs a Pram battery and doesn't really like to 
boot up.



I think you are right I have comcast and they provided me with
McAffee it has worked fine for years. Now they provide Norton! I am
planning on getting another motherboard and processor and don't want
to do the whole reinstall thing. Having to chase down all my
settings and such, but also that I'll lose McAffee.

Douglas





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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

Use one of the free anti virus tools instead. I'm using the free Microsoft
Security Essentials on the Windows boxes now. I konw, Microsoft and security
are incompatable - but it's getting great reviews from the testers, and
doesn't have much impact on the box.



I've actually been running without runtime AV for some time now. I run 
Malwarebytes full system scan at least once a week, haven't picked up anything 
in over a year, and all I have ever found is tracking cookies.


IME, if you plug all the remote entry holes that Micro$hit has open by default, 
and you don't do stupid things on the 'net, you don't pick up viruses.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Curt Raymond]

We switched from Norton to Symantec endpoint at work last year. Norton was a 
dog, endpoint is fine...

My wife's computer at work has AVAST! which I find to be pretty good.

Its always hard to tell though, are we really being protected or do we care 
more that the computer runs well?

-Curt

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:55:43 -0600
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
Message-ID: a06240856c7a4ff270...@[192.168.1.112]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed

As someone else mentioned, Norton AV is in itself a virus, and some 
virus makers use parts of Norton AV to protect their virus.  Best to 
stay far away from Norton.

How is your Mac Wall street?

I think you are right I have comcast and they provided me with 
McAffee it has worked fine for years. Now they provide Norton! I am 
planning on getting another motherboard and processor and don't want 
to do the whole reinstall thing. Having to chase down all my 
settings and such, but also that I'll lose McAffee.

Douglas



  
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:33:18 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Its always hard to tell though, are we really being protected or do we
 care more that the computer runs well?

Being protected shouldn't cause the computer to run poorly. If it does,
someone has done something wrong.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Curt Raymond]

XP is dead, new machines will generally not run it.

Windows 7 is supposed to be awesome and I haven't heard from anybody that its 
slow in any way shape or form. How much RAM do you have?

IBM? Are you sure? IBM hasn't made consumer computers for 4 or 5 years now, is 
your new computer really a new to you computer?

-Curt

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:31:25 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com,     Banned List
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
Message-ID: 4b7df7fd.8010...@striplin.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived 
today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I 
like it or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems like 
this computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little more but 
is there some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good about this 
new version I should look for?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Curt Raymond]

I tried it for awhile, I was unimpressed.
After my last computer died I played around with a couple different distros, 
finally settled back at Mepis...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:04:53 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
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Read today that Linux Mint is the flavor de jour -- haven't tried it myself
(yet).

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2359956,00.asp

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:
  This is the one I got
 
 
 http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10898037cac=Result
 

 Put Xubuntu (not regular Ubuntu) on that and it will SCREAM.  My 2.4
 GHz/4 Gb Mac Mini running Leopard seems like a Macintosh Plus by
 comparison.

 Alex


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Allan Streib]

From what I've read, the Windows 2000 classic mode is finally and
totally gone in Windows 7.  You can turn off a lot of the bling and
achieve a more classic look, but it's not the same as enabling classic
mode in XP or Vista.

Allan

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:31 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived
 today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I
 like it or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems
 like this computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little
 more but is there some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good
 about this new version I should look for?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[LWB250]

I buy all of the technology for the company (just bought 5 new laptops for 
field techs) and I stick with Dells because I can get a serial port for our 
telemetry connections and downgrade to XP.

I screwed up and ordered my desktop without downgrading to XP, so it has Vista. 
 Not a major problem, but definitely a nuisance at times.

Next month I get to buy a FLIR camera!  This is going to be fun!

Dan



--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 9:29 AM
 From what I've read, the Windows
 2000 classic mode is finally and
 totally gone in Windows 7.  You can turn off a lot of
 the bling and
 achieve a more classic look, but it's not the same as
 enabling classic
 mode in XP or Vista.
 
 Allan
 
 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:31 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:
  Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop
 for work and it arrived
  today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it. 
 Holy crap, I dont know if I
  like it or not.  I suppose I could get used to it
 but it sure seems
  like this computer moves VERY slow.  I got to
 play with it a little
  more but is there some way to set it to run like
 XP?  Anything good
  about this new version I should look for?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 IBM? Are you sure? IBM hasn't made consumer computers for 4 or 5 years now,
 is your new computer really a new to you computer?

Kleb means a Lenovo Thinkpad, which is the next best thing to an IBM.
The chinese are doing a great job with keeping up the IBM quality
standard, from what I hear.  Kind of like Taurus making imitation
Berettas.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Rich Thomas]

They were making the IBM branded Thinkpads when IBM sold it off, or spun 
it off, or something.  I have a couple of c.1994-95 Thinkpads around, 
they still fire up (slowly) and do things (slowly) but are rock solid.  
I think I tried to get Linux on one of them, for some reason it did not 
go but I might not have known what I was doing.


--R

On 2/19/2010 9:55 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com  wrote:
   

IBM? Are you sure? IBM hasn't made consumer computers for 4 or 5 years now,
is your new computer really a new to you computer?
 

Kleb means a Lenovo Thinkpad, which is the next best thing to an IBM.
The chinese are doing a great job with keeping up the IBM quality
standard, from what I hear.  Kind of like Taurus making imitation
Berettas.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, it seems to be running better now, I adjusted for best performance, 
after a few restarts and uninstalling a bunch of crap, including norton, 
its running better now.  I even turned back on the visual stuff and its 
still running OK.


OK Don wrote:

The AMD CPU shouldn't be  that slow -
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/06/amd-kinda-sorta-takes-aim-at-atom-with-athlon-neo/.
A friend at work has an HP Mini-Note 110 with the Atom 270 chip, 1 GB, and
W7. It's no screamer, but no one complains about it being slow either.

Right click my computer' - Properties - Advanced system settings -
performance settings - visual effects tab - choose Adjust for best
performance.



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

  

This is the one I got


http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10898037cac=Result



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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well its lenovo or whatever they call it

Curt Raymond wrote:

XP is dead, new machines will generally not run it.

Windows 7 is supposed to be awesome and I haven't heard from anybody that its 
slow in any way shape or form. How much RAM do you have?

IBM? Are you sure? IBM hasn't made consumer computers for 4 or 5 years now, is your new 
computer really a new to you computer?

-Curt

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:31:25 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List
ban...@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
Message-ID: 4b7df7fd.8010...@striplin.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived 
today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I 
like it or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems like 
this computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little more but 
is there some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good about this 
new version I should look for?


  




No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I didnt know they were selling anything with vista anmore.

LWB250 wrote:

I buy all of the technology for the company (just bought 5 new laptops for 
field techs) and I stick with Dells because I can get a serial port for our 
telemetry connections and downgrade to XP.

I screwed up and ordered my desktop without downgrading to XP, so it has Vista. 
 Not a major problem, but definitely a nuisance at times.

Next month I get to buy a FLIR camera!  This is going to be fun!

Dan


  



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85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Yea, it seems to be running better now, I adjusted for best performance, 
after a few restarts and uninstalling a bunch of crap, including norton, 
its running better now.  I even turned back on the visual stuff and its 
still running OK.


I used to think Internet Explorer was the ultimate trojan horse virus.
Now I think it's Symantec/Norton Internet Security.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[LWB250]

I got my desktop machine last year, which is why it has Vista and not Windows 7.

Dan


--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:27 AM
 I didnt know they were selling
 anything with vista anmore.
 
 LWB250 wrote:
  I buy all of the technology for the company (just
 bought 5 new laptops for field techs) and I stick with Dells
 because I can get a serial port for our telemetry
 connections and downgrade to XP.
  
  I screwed up and ordered my desktop without
 downgrading to XP, so it has Vista.  Not a major
 problem, but definitely a nuisance at times.
  
  Next month I get to buy a FLIR camera!  This is
 going to be fun!
  
  Dan
  
  
    
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

ohhh

LWB250 wrote:

I got my desktop machine last year, which is why it has Vista and not Windows 7.

Dan

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Douglas]

I think you are right I have comcast and they provided me with McAffee it 
has worked fine for years. Now they provide Norton! I am planning on getting 
another motherboard and processor and don't want to do the whole reinstall 
thing. Having to chase down all my settings and such, but also that I'll 
lose McAffee.


Douglas

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Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Yea, it seems to be running better now, I adjusted for best performance, 
after a few restarts and uninstalling a bunch of crap, including norton, 
its running better now.  I even turned back on the visual stuff and its 
still running OK.


I used to think Internet Explorer was the ultimate trojan horse virus.
Now I think it's Symantec/Norton Internet Security.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[OK Don]

Use one of the free anti virus tools instead. I'm using the free Microsoft
Security Essentials on the Windows boxes now. I konw, Microsoft and security
are incompatable - but it's getting great reviews from the testers, and
doesn't have much impact on the box.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Douglas jgi...@comcast.net wrote:

 I think you are right I have comcast and they provided me with McAffee it
 has worked fine for years. Now they provide Norton! I am planning on getting
 another motherboard and processor and don't want to do the whole reinstall
 thing. Having to chase down all my settings and such, but also that I'll
 lose McAffee.

 Douglas


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Dieselhead]

As someone else mentioned, Norton AV is in itself a virus, and some 
virus makers use parts of Norton AV to protect their virus.  Best to 
stay far away from Norton.


How is your Mac Wall street?

I think you are right I have comcast and they provided me with 
McAffee it has worked fine for years. Now they provide Norton! I am 
planning on getting another motherboard and processor and don't want 
to do the whole reinstall thing. Having to chase down all my 
settings and such, but also that I'll lose McAffee.


Douglas


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Douglas]

Really does it seem to update and such? Have a url?

Douglas

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7


Use one of the free anti virus tools instead. I'm using the free Microsoft
Security Essentials on the Windows boxes now. I konw, Microsoft and 
security

are incompatable - but it's getting great reviews from the testers, and
doesn't have much impact on the box.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Douglas jgi...@comcast.net wrote:


I think you are right I have comcast and they provided me with McAffee it
has worked fine for years. Now they provide Norton! I am planning on 
getting
another motherboard and processor and don't want to do the whole 
reinstall

thing. Having to chase down all my settings and such, but also that I'll
lose McAffee.

Douglas



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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[OK Don]

Yes, and yes --

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/



On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Douglas jgi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Really does it seem to update and such? Have a url?

 Douglas

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[MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived 
today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I 
like it or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems like 
this computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little more but 
is there some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good about this 
new version I should look for?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Peter Hertzing]

So far I really like it and think it runs fast - what programs are running
slow?  Granted - it is on a pretty fast desktop here.  I like how you can
run two screens next to each other.  I've got it on a fujitso laptop at work
- and it runs really fast with our practice management system and our
Electroinic medical record.  Only annoying thing I have found is it seems to
dump the internet connection all the time.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived
 today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I like it
 or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems like this
 computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little more but is there
 some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good about this new version I
 should look for?

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 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[OK Don]

I'm running it on thrre or four systems - I like it a lot better than any
other M$ OS. Your mini-laptop is probably slow to begin with - Atom
processor?

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote:

 So far I really like it and think it runs fast - what programs are running
 slow?  Granted - it is on a pretty fast desktop here.  I like how you can
 run two screens next to each other.  I've got it on a fujitso laptop at
 work
 - and it runs really fast with our practice management system and our
 Electroinic medical record.  Only annoying thing I have found is it seems
 to
 dump the internet connection all the time.

 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:

  Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived
  today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I like
 it
  or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems like this
  computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little more but is
 there
  some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good about this new version
 I
  should look for?
 
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  560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro
  manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well like right now I am trying to clean out all the crap preinstalled 
stuff that I dont need, it just seems to take forever.  If I launch IE, 
it seems to take forever.  I will have to play with it some more to get 
it figured out.  This little machine only has 1 gig of ram though, not 
sure what the processor is offhand.


Peter Hertzing wrote:

So far I really like it and think it runs fast - what programs are running
slow?  Granted - it is on a pretty fast desktop here.  I like how you can
run two screens next to each other.  I've got it on a fujitso laptop at work
- and it runs really fast with our practice management system and our
Electroinic medical record.  Only annoying thing I have found is it seems to
dump the internet connection all the time.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

  

Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived
today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I like it
or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems like this
computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little more but is there
some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good about this new version I
should look for?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

This is the one I got

http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10898037cac=Result

OK Don wrote:

I'm running it on thrre or four systems - I like it a lot better than any
other M$ OS. Your mini-laptop is probably slow to begin with - Atom
processor?

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote:

  

So far I really like it and think it runs fast - what programs are running
slow?  Granted - it is on a pretty fast desktop here.  I like how you can
run two screens next to each other.  I've got it on a fujitso laptop at
work
- and it runs really fast with our practice management system and our
Electroinic medical record.  Only annoying thing I have found is it seems
to
dump the internet connection all the time.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net


wrote:
  
Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it arrived

today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont know if I like
  

it


or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it sure seems like this
computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with it a little more but is
  

there


some way to set it to run like XP?  Anything good about this new version
  

I


should look for?

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http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Jim Cathey]

This little machine only has 1 gig of ram though, not sure what the 
processor is offhand.


Pretty sure that's nowhere near enough, perhaps more like 4GB is 
required?
I bet my 233MHz G3 PPC Mac is faster than that!  Fully loaded, 768 MB 
RAM.


-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Dieselhead]

You should be able to set the interface to the XP or 2000 (classic) 
look  Search in help for optimize for performance

You should be able to set the start menu to classic or XP bubblegum

But I have not done it because I moved to OS 10.5 in place of winders 
7  If nobody else tells you how, I will find out for you.



Anybody using this?  I order a new mini laptop for work and it 
arrived today.  Its a IBM with windows 7 on it.  Holy crap, I dont 
know if I like it or not.  I suppose I could get used to it but it 
sure seems like this computer moves VERY slow.  I got to play with 
it a little more but is there some way to set it to run like XP? 
Anything good about this new version I should look for?


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95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 
560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D 
euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com



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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[OK Don]

The AMD CPU shouldn't be  that slow -
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/06/amd-kinda-sorta-takes-aim-at-atom-with-athlon-neo/.
A friend at work has an HP Mini-Note 110 with the Atom 270 chip, 1 GB, and
W7. It's no screamer, but no one complains about it being slow either.

Right click my computer' - Properties - Advanced system settings -
performance settings - visual effects tab - choose Adjust for best
performance.



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 This is the one I got


 http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10898037cac=Result



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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 This is the one I got

 http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10898037cac=Result


Put Xubuntu (not regular Ubuntu) on that and it will SCREAM.  My 2.4
GHz/4 Gb Mac Mini running Leopard seems like a Macintosh Plus by
comparison.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[OK Don]

Read today that Linux Mint is the flavor de jour -- haven't tried it myself
(yet).

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2359956,00.asp

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:
  This is the one I got
 
 
 http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=10898037cac=Result
 

 Put Xubuntu (not regular Ubuntu) on that and it will SCREAM.  My 2.4
 GHz/4 Gb Mac Mini running Leopard seems like a Macintosh Plus by
 comparison.

 Alex


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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:04 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Read today that Linux Mint is the flavor de jour -- haven't tried it myself
 (yet).


I have Mint installed on my Asus Eee netbook which is pretty minimally
spec'd (Atom CPU, not sure the speed, and only 512Mb RAM).  It's
quite speedy, certainly more so than the install of Ubuntu the machine
came with, which was in the click and wait category of UI
(un)responsiveness.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7

[John Freer]

Hey, I just got the same netbook 6 months ago but it came loaded with
Linux. Great machine and the best 200 bucks I ever spent! Fast as can
be but then again I have kept most of the junk off of it. All I use
it for is to read and send email and surf the net when I am out of the
hose.
John

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:04 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Read today that Linux Mint is the flavor de jour -- haven't tried it myself
 (yet).


 I have Mint installed on my Asus Eee netbook which is pretty minimally
 spec'd (Atom CPU, not sure the speed, and only 512Mb RAM).  It's
 quite speedy, certainly more so than the install of Ubuntu the machine
 came with, which was in the click and wait category of UI
 (un)responsiveness.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Windows

[Ed Booher]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 The beauty of single-pane windows is that they can last forever,
 unless you break them.  Sealed double- and triple-pane windows
 do not.


This is slightly inaccurate. Multi-pane windows that use a desiccant within
a metal spacer will always fail. Period. The desiccant reaches an
over-saturation point, and pow, instant milky windows. However, for well
over a decade, there have been multi-pane windows that use a rubber and foam
spacer without a need for a desiccant. I have yet to hear of a single
failure in a window of this type. In fact, it's the technology used by
NASA in spacebound systems. And yes, the foam spaced windows are as much as
four times more expensive than the conventional metal spaced, desiccant
sealed windows.


 Most of the 1976-vintage double windows in our house have
 failed already, we try not to notice all the streaks and crud
 inside.  I found that Pella alone made NON-sealed double-pane
 windows.  You can remove the panel and clean inside.  Marginally
 less energy-efficient than the sealeds, at least for the N years
 that a seal holds, but liable to last the life of the house with
 care.  Unlike every stinkin' sealed window I've ever run into.

 That's what's in our new addition.  Wasn't strictly to code
 for new construction, but we got away with it.

 -- Jim


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[MBZ] OT: Windows

[Jim Cathey]

Could he search for information on replacement windows? We currently 
have

the original windows in our house, 1959 single-pane, steel casement
windows and are looking to replace them.


The beauty of single-pane windows is that they can last forever,
unless you break them.  Sealed double- and triple-pane windows
do not.  Most of the 1976-vintage double windows in our house have
failed already, we try not to notice all the streaks and crud
inside.  I found that Pella alone made NON-sealed double-pane
windows.  You can remove the panel and clean inside.  Marginally
less energy-efficient than the sealeds, at least for the N years
that a seal holds, but liable to last the life of the house with
care.  Unlike every stinkin' sealed window I've ever run into.

That's what's in our new addition.  Wasn't strictly to code
for new construction, but we got away with it.

-- Jim



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