Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread Levi Smith
Well, I certainly wouldn't go buy a new Subaru.  I bought my 97' with 92K
miles for about $7400 around 6 years ago.  It's got 212K on it now and other
than an alternator around 140K, all it's needed was a water pump last week.
Though I'll agree, the mileage might not be that much better than some truck
you're considering if it's small enough.  However, if it's a Chevy, I could
almost guarantee the Sube would be more reliable.  However, if you find
yourself hardly ever carrying more than two people and frequently using the
bed, then the truck might be the better bet.  (though personally I'd go find
a used Toyota at that point).

The E-bikes are kind of like the E-cars.  They work well (you can use them
without pedalling at all), but they're greatly effected by hills.  And if
you don't pedal at all, they can drain pretty quick.  But you can travel at
around maybe 12mph with a pretty gental pedal on flat pavement.  you can do
20mph or better if you're willing to really go at it.  It just all depends
on the conditions as to how well they will work.  The nice part with them is
that the chargers are small enough that if you use up the juice on the way
to work, you could pop off the battery (even if you leave your bike outside)
and plug it in at work so it's good to go for the ride home.  I bought a
second battery for fear of running out.  Problem is the weight.  I bought a
rack, but it's hard to keep that 35lbs-ish of battery back there without
falling off if you go over anything rough...  And it feels like I'm pulling
the seams apart if I try to put it in a backpack...

Levi (:

On 2/3/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Levi,
>
>   I wonder if one of the electric bike add-ons would work for my wife? Its
> her need to walk those stupid dogs that keeps her from just using her bike
> full time. Theres nowhere to shower at work so she'd end up being all sweaty
> in the afternoon.
>   I commute 40 miles a day and we have adverse weather here in New England
> (plenty of ice this year) and I've never had a problem with my 240D. The
> 190D should cut my fuel usage by 1/3.
>   As for camp, its 3/4 of a mile of pretty rough road, a Subaru might cut
> it but spending $20,000 on a new car just doesn't make any sense. I can buy
> a tremendous amount of gas for that money. A Colorado pickup is only going
> to $16k or so, the extra money to get into the Subaru doesn't make any sense
> for the small amount of gas saved. If you go over to fueleconomy.gov and
> compare the small engine manual shift for each the Subaru is 4mpg better,
> which breaks down to only $269 a year more for the pickup
>
>   -Curt
>
>   Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:30:39 -0500
> From: Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and
> trailer.
> I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup for the occasional hauling of
> something, but I finally figured out that it just didn't make sense.
> Between the registration, inspection, insurance and general upkeep, it
> was
> costing a good chunk of change for the handful of times we used it a
> year.
> I've since just got a little 4x8 trailer with side racks.  That works
> for
> hauling mulch or the flail mower or barrels or trash or whatnot.
> It works fine behind my 83' 300D, and either of my 97' Subaru Imprezas.
> Not
> sure how rough the terrain is to your campsite, but if you don't need
> more
> than about 5 inches of ground clearance a Subaru would probably work
> for you
> there as well.
>
> I live like 40 miles from where I work, but generally I'm only over
> here 4
> days a week and my parents live about 8 miles from work.  So lately
> I've
> been staying here for the 3 nights.  It's a bit cold here in upstate NY
> this
> time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions, but come summer I
> think
> I'm going to try my electric bike.  You can still pedal, but if you
> want to
> go faster or need some help up a hill you can kick in the electric.
> The
> problem where I live is the hills.  If I lived on flat land I'd be on
> the
> bike no question.  It can be done with a regular bicycle, but it takes
> some
> time and effort.  I'm hoping the electric bike won't run out of juice
> up the
> hill.  But I have about 600-800 feet to climb from work back up to my
> parents.  And of course there's valleys in the way depending on which
>

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread Curt Raymond
Hi Levi,
   
  I wonder if one of the electric bike add-ons would work for my wife? Its her 
need to walk those stupid dogs that keeps her from just using her bike full 
time. Theres nowhere to shower at work so she'd end up being all sweaty in the 
afternoon.
  I commute 40 miles a day and we have adverse weather here in New England 
(plenty of ice this year) and I've never had a problem with my 240D. The 190D 
should cut my fuel usage by 1/3.
  As for camp, its 3/4 of a mile of pretty rough road, a Subaru might cut it 
but spending $20,000 on a new car just doesn't make any sense. I can buy a 
tremendous amount of gas for that money. A Colorado pickup is only going to 
$16k or so, the extra money to get into the Subaru doesn't make any sense for 
the small amount of gas saved. If you go over to fueleconomy.gov and compare 
the small engine manual shift for each the Subaru is 4mpg better, which breaks 
down to only $269 a year more for the pickup
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:30:39 -0500
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Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and
trailer.
I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup for the occasional hauling of
something, but I finally figured out that it just didn't make sense.
Between the registration, inspection, insurance and general upkeep, it 
was
costing a good chunk of change for the handful of times we used it a 
year.
I've since just got a little 4x8 trailer with side racks.  That works 
for
hauling mulch or the flail mower or barrels or trash or whatnot.
It works fine behind my 83' 300D, and either of my 97' Subaru Imprezas.  
Not
sure how rough the terrain is to your campsite, but if you don't need 
more
than about 5 inches of ground clearance a Subaru would probably work 
for you
there as well.

I live like 40 miles from where I work, but generally I'm only over 
here 4
days a week and my parents live about 8 miles from work.  So lately 
I've
been staying here for the 3 nights.  It's a bit cold here in upstate NY 
this
time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions, but come summer I 
think
I'm going to try my electric bike.  You can still pedal, but if you 
want to
go faster or need some help up a hill you can kick in the electric.  
The
problem where I live is the hills.  If I lived on flat land I'd be on 
the
bike no question.  It can be done with a regular bicycle, but it takes 
some
time and effort.  I'm hoping the electric bike won't run out of juice 
up the
hill.  But I have about 600-800 feet to climb from work back up to my
parents.  And of course there's valleys in the way depending on which 
way I
go, so more hills.

I agree, I'd love an electric or otherwise more efficient vehicle.  I'm 
just
trying to use my 83' 300D on oil during the summer season.  Once I get 
that
figured out I might try it in the winter...  (:

Levi



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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread L. Mark Finch

Here's a relevant passage from an article in the current New Yorker:

Every working day, we borrow more than three billion dollars from  
foreigners, notably the central banks of China and other Asian  
nations, in order to pay our import bills and keep our interest  
rates low. Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University,  
calls this “vender financing.” The Chinese lend us cash; we buy  
their goods. ( http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/ 
060206ta_talk_cassidy )


Someone else on the board suggested that all we need to do is wait  
out the economic storm and export our culture, because after the  
workforces of nations with developing economies achieve the same  
lifestyle as the workforces of first-world countries we'll be able to  
compete again. That may well be true, but I sure don't expect to live  
long enough to find out -- there are more than 2.3 billion people in  
China and India alone, and plenty more in the rest of the world. And  
if we visualize money as a liquid asset, we can expect that, like  
water, incomes will seek their own level in a globalized economy.  
That will be good for workers in countries where the average wage is  
currently $2,000 per year, but a disaster for those who are currently  
earning an average of $35,000 per year.


And Bush's concern about oil? That was just SOTU happy talk -- the  
very next day his energy secretary and national economic adviser said  
that he didn't mean it. (And heaven forbid that the concept of  
confronting the problem of a dwindling resource by consuming less  
would ever be floated as part of a solution!)


My conservative parents learned the value of conservation during the  
Depression and WW II; those lessons have been ignored for too long,  
at our peril.


Yeah, I'm a worried, simple fella too.


On Feb 2, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella  
and that

question has me worried


On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I think the race is on.  Will China end up owning the rest of the  
world,

or
will Wally mart own China?


At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Put in your bid now. We might  
get sold

to China as they will soon have all
the money anyway.

Randy B in Canada




Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

thats a good point

lee wrote:

Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less 
attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high 
shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor.


Lee

On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey wrote:


how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella
and that
question has me worried


You weather the storm until there are no more 'grass hut' economies.
If we do our part, churning out popular culture that gets exported
to everywhere, pretty soon everywhere will be like us.  Then there's
no problem anymore, and the transportation and language issues can
again drive production back home.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread lee
Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less 
attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high 
shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor.

Lee

On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella
> > and that
> > question has me worried
>
> You weather the storm until there are no more 'grass hut' economies.
> If we do our part, churning out popular culture that gets exported
> to everywhere, pretty soon everywhere will be like us.  Then there's
> no problem anymore, and the transportation and language issues can
> again drive production back home.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread David Brodbeck
Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Tom Wrote:
> 
> "Here is an interesting article on this subject:
> 
> http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200602020821.asp";
> 
> The only interetsing thing I read in that article was the fact that 
> their 19th century thinking could still be published in a 21st century 
> magazine.

Still, it's nice to know Henry Payne can at least write a coherent
column.  His editorial cartoons are terrible.

At any rate, he needn't have worried.  The Bush administration is
already backtracking.  His energy secretary has already said that Bush's
call to replace "more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle
East by 2025" was "purely an example" and not to be taken literally.



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote:
> 
> Sheesh -- there was a "gas war" bewteen two stations during my senior
> year. Dad came home and told me to go fill my tank (1951 VW). I only
> had $1.00 -- the tank wouldn't hold that much! The gas was $0.12/gal.
> I've never seen it that low since 

1986, Okemos,  Michigan. Terry Kildea buys the Amoco station across
from Randy Markham's "Randy's Mobil Mart". They got in a price war.
Nobody was allowed to undercut, or even match, Randy's price. 
I was running on empty, figured I'd buy gas from Kildea's on the
way home. When I got there, I considered myself lucky to get through
the intersection alive. Never looked at the price signs. Saw on the
news after I got home that the price had dropped to NEGATIVE five
cents or so. (they were paying you to take it). I bought gas in the
next town, paid full price. I believe it was probably around 20 cents
per gallon when I passed the madness in Okemos. I wasn't about to park
in a major road for 1/2 hour or more to save eight bucks on a tank of gas.



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread OK Don
Sheesh -- there was a "gas war" bewteen two stations during my senior
year. Dad came home and told me to go fill my tank (1951 VW). I only
had $1.00 -- the tank wouldn't hold that much! The gas was $0.12/gal. 
I've never seen it that low since 

On 2/2/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And an old man like me can remember $0.23 / gal back in high school - for my
> 1962 Corvair.
> BillR
> Jacksonville FL
> 1981 300SD  EM  271k miles


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Here ON 911, I remember gas going up to 1.79, that was HIGH HIGH HIGH!!. 
 Then I remember it going down as low as 79 there for a week or so not 
too long after.


Curt Raymond wrote:

 
  Really? Maybe because of reduced demand in NYC? Weren't there price controls instituted right after 911?

  Our gas prices didn't go down... Of course theres no production or refining 
here either.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:34:46 -0600

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I remember 79 cent a gallon just after 911



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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 05:51 PM, Levi Smith wrote:

Ahh, a quick look at http://maps.google.com and it looks like you're a 
good

few hours or so NE of me.  I'm closer to PA.  My house is right next to
Corning, and I work in Hornell.  Where I86 and I390 meet is about 
midway

between locations.

Levi



3-4 hour drive. Always looking for local MB enthusiasts.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Levi Smith
Ahh, a quick look at http://maps.google.com and it looks like you're a good
few hours or so NE of me.  I'm closer to PA.  My house is right next to
Corning, and I work in Hornell.  Where I86 and I390 meet is about midway
between locations.

Levi

On 2/2/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 04:30 PM, Levi Smith wrote:
>
> > It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this
> > time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions
>
> Levi,
> Where in NY are you? I live in Bolton Landing overlooking Lake
> George
> from the west shore.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 04:30 PM, Levi Smith wrote:


It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this
time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions


Levi,
	Where in NY are you? I live in Bolton Landing overlooking Lake George 
from the west shore.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer

Yes, and they lost so his "garage" stays, apparently (according to AW)
Werner


Just saw in Autoweek that a guy in Michigan has a 6000 sq ft garage, that
should be big enough for anybody



Is that the guys whose neighbors sued him to try to make him take it down?





Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
Round trip. Each way is about 180 miles. We go to Sioux Narrows on Lake of
the Woods. The "cottage" was home when I was a boy so it has sentimental
attachment, not to mention that Lake of the Woods is much better than Falcon
or Westhawk and Clearwater Bay cottages are a crazy price just because they
are so much closer to Winnipeg.

Randy B

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Randy,

What lake is 300 miles from Winnipeg?  There are some rather nice ones (L.
Winnipeg and L. Manitoba, or Falcon Lake or Westhawk L., .g.), that are a
whole lot closer.
<

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
Maybe we should be signing up for some lessons in Mandarin Chinese ( or is
there a more relevant dialect?).

Randy B

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we are not far right now from EVERYTHING being made in china.  They can sell
a car for what Robert Bosch wants for a part for a car.  not sure how the
germans can compete with that

actually, not sure how the germans will be able to compete with anyone
anymore.

how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella and that
question has me worried


On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think the race is on.  Will China end up owning the rest of the world,
> or
> will Wally mart own China?
>
>
> At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
> >R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Put in your bid now. We might get 
> >sold
> >to China as they will soon have all
> >the money anyway.
> >
> >Randy B in Canada
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Jeff Zedic

Tom Wrote:

"Here is an interesting article on this subject:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200602020821.asp";

The only interetsing thing I read in that article was the fact that 
their 19th century thinking could still be published in a 21st century 
magazine.


What a sad way they see the world! They should rename that magazine 
"Status Quo: No Thought Required"


Jeff Zedic
Toronto



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread andrew strasfogel
Randy,

What lake is 300 miles from Winnipeg?  There are some rather nice ones (L.
Winnipeg and L. Manitoba, or Falcon Lake or Westhawk L., .g.), that are a
whole lot closer.
< wrote:
>
> The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen
> vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and tow
> things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda
> Civic
> or Smart Car (MB content?). So, we currently have, in addition to my "toy"
> 300D, a full size Ford 4X4 pickup(my winter car), a Toyota 4Runner 4x4 (my
> 2
> sons share it), a Toyota Avalon (wife's car), and 2 old beaters that get
> driven when we need an extra vehicle (don't keep insurance on them year
> round but usually have it on both in the summer) a 1968 Chevy pickup and a
> 1980 Ford LTD. We had an 88 Honda Accord as well but the rust caught up
> with
> it about the same time it needed an AT and so we let it go. Would
> cheerfully
> part with the LTD if there was someone who would pay me something
> reasonable
> for it. Don't quite know what to do with the old pickup as I have had it
> 20
> years. Needs body work and paint but runs well. So, I hope you can see my
> dilemma. Fuel economy is good but I don't quite know how to accomplish it
> and do the things that need to be done. I considered a diesel pickup but
> the
> cost is high to acquire and a lot of my driving is short distance. I'd
> kill
> the poor thing. We travel to the lake in the summer routinely and that is
> a
> trip in excess of 300 miles. I did that 11 times last summer.  The diesel
> pickup would be good for that trip but the rest of the time it would not
> be
> used properly. I don't think I can justify acquiring one for 3 or 4
> thousand
> miles per year. I've run out of parking spots anyhow.
> I drove a Chevy Suburban for 10 years from 91 to 2001 and I still miss it.
> It did most things well and I got used to the size.
> (Just re-read this and it sounds like I am rambling but I think you will
> get
> my point - I like big vehicles. I just want one I can afford to feed.)
>
> Randy B
>
> -Original Message-
> What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a
> seven
> thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the
> mall
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Levi Smith
Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and
trailer.
I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup for the occasional hauling of
something, but I finally figured out that it just didn't make sense.
Between the registration, inspection, insurance and general upkeep, it was
costing a good chunk of change for the handful of times we used it a year.
I've since just got a little 4x8 trailer with side racks.  That works for
hauling mulch or the flail mower or barrels or trash or whatnot.
It works fine behind my 83' 300D, and either of my 97' Subaru Imprezas.  Not
sure how rough the terrain is to your campsite, but if you don't need more
than about 5 inches of ground clearance a Subaru would probably work for you
there as well.

I live like 40 miles from where I work, but generally I'm only over here 4
days a week and my parents live about 8 miles from work.  So lately I've
been staying here for the 3 nights.  It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this
time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions, but come summer I think
I'm going to try my electric bike.  You can still pedal, but if you want to
go faster or need some help up a hill you can kick in the electric.  The
problem where I live is the hills.  If I lived on flat land I'd be on the
bike no question.  It can be done with a regular bicycle, but it takes some
time and effort.  I'm hoping the electric bike won't run out of juice up the
hill.  But I have about 600-800 feet to climb from work back up to my
parents.  And of course there's valleys in the way depending on which way I
go, so more hills.

I agree, I'd love an electric or otherwise more efficient vehicle.  I'm just
trying to use my 83' 300D on oil during the summer season.  Once I get that
figured out I might try it in the winter...  (:

Levi

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>
>   Theres irresponsible and then theres real life. Irresponsible in my mind
> is the soccer mom with 2 kids and a Suburban... The truck never goes offroad
> and is never really full or if it is full its because they're carrying too
> much crap they really don't need.
>   Most people (I know, dangerous term) myself included in this one, who
> have a pickup truck could get away with a small SUV and a trailer. I contend
> myself by saying the 18mpg my Dakota pulls down is not all that bad and it
> only stays in town. When I replace it I'm thinking about a Chevy Colorado
> probably with a 4 banger which should pull closer to 23mpg. Not a big
> increase but
>
>   I figure at some point when we're settled into a house (maybe never the
> way things are in New England) I'll probably have 3 vehicles, 2 cars and a
> pickup. I don't *need* a pickup but we do use it as a truck, it goes
> offroad, hauls trash to the dump, hauls brush, firewood, dirt, lawnmowers
> etc. I to need a 4wd vehicle to get in to our camp although I suppose we
> could walk the 3/4 mile in carrying all our supplies, or use the tractor,
> then again we pull start the tractor behind my pickup and the 190D sure
> isn't gonna be able to do that, the Dakota can barely do it now.
>   My wife only commutes about 8 miles a day, its just a little too far to
> walk and she has a side gig walking dogs at lunch which she needs the car
> for. An electric car would be ideal for her but we've got nowhere to plug
> one in near our apartment. If we had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva
> project.
>
>   -Curt
>
>
>   Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800
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> The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
It occurred to me the other day that here in MA we're having big problems with 
old mill dams becoming dangerous and threatening whole towns. Some of you might 
have heard when Taunton was threatened a couple months ago.
  The thing that struck me is we have nearly zero hydroelectric generation. 
That just seems silly, if we have all this water backed up and we're not doing 
anything with it but let the dams get dangerous...
  I live near one old mill town (Fitchburg, MA) that has a couple good size 
resevoirs. I've read some about micro-hydro power and as I understand it you 
really need either a large flow of water or a large drop to get the water 
moving. So one of the resevoirs in particular has a good 50-100 foot drop and 
is always flowing water over the spillway. I can't believe you couldn't make 
some considerable power there for a relatively small outlay. From what I 
understand micro-hydro, is much more productive than wind or solar power. In 
this case it wouldn't even be micro-hydro Boggles the mind. I'm actually to 
the point I'm considering looking into what it would take to setup a small 
scale hydro plant.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:24:43 -0800 (PST)
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recall the recent quote from the Economist article that was posted:
  
  If 1/3 of American cars and light trucks were diesel, we would save, 
every year, the amount of oil we import from Saudi Arabia.
  
  
  
  There are SO many alternatives out there - some more viable than  
others. That our current situation is absolutely rediculous. between  
ANWR, nuclear, wind, coal gassification, we would be completely self  
sufficient in fuel.
  
  Interesting argument from previous post - by not using our own oil  
(ANWR) it becomes a defacto strategic national reserve. Never thought  
of it that way - good observation.
  
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On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 04:13 PM, Dave M. wrote:

> Forgot to mention... it's got Delvac-1 and the only way to drive a
> 1.5L VW diesel is like you stole it. You can pretty much duct tape the
> pedal to the floor and adjust speed by proper gear selection, lol...
> it's right up there with a 240D auto, or 220D, in performance terms!
>
> =)
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> +dm
>

I've had trouble with sitting cars starting in dead cold when they 
were last fueled prior to winterized fuel season. I let a couple of 
cars wait until spring before starting them one year.


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Potter, Tom E
Here is an interesting article on this subject:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200602020821.asp 

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  Theres irresponsible and then theres real life. Irresponsible in my
mind is the soccer mom with 2 kids and a Suburban... The truck never
goes offroad and is never really full or if it is full its because
they're carrying too much crap they really don't need.
  Most people (I know, dangerous term) myself included in this one, who
have a pickup truck could get away with a small SUV and a trailer. I
contend myself by saying the 18mpg my Dakota pulls down is not all that
bad and it only stays in town. When I replace it I'm thinking about a
Chevy Colorado probably with a 4 banger which should pull closer to
23mpg. Not a big increase but
   
  I figure at some point when we're settled into a house (maybe never
the way things are in New England) I'll probably have 3 vehicles, 2 cars
and a pickup. I don't *need* a pickup but we do use it as a truck, it
goes offroad, hauls trash to the dump, hauls brush, firewood, dirt,
lawnmowers etc. I to need a 4wd vehicle to get in to our camp although I
suppose we could walk the 3/4 mile in carrying all our supplies, or use
the tractor, then again we pull start the tractor behind my pickup and
the 190D sure isn't gonna be able to do that, the Dakota can barely do
it now.
  My wife only commutes about 8 miles a day, its just a little too far
to walk and she has a side gig walking dogs at lunch which she needs the
car for. An electric car would be ideal for her but we've got nowhere to
plug one in near our apartment. If we had a house I'm thinking it'd be a
heckuva project.
   
  -Curt
   
   
  Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800
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The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen
vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and 
tow
things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda 
Civic
  


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
  Theres irresponsible and then theres real life. Irresponsible in my mind is 
the soccer mom with 2 kids and a Suburban... The truck never goes offroad and 
is never really full or if it is full its because they're carrying too much 
crap they really don't need.
  Most people (I know, dangerous term) myself included in this one, who have a 
pickup truck could get away with a small SUV and a trailer. I contend myself by 
saying the 18mpg my Dakota pulls down is not all that bad and it only stays in 
town. When I replace it I'm thinking about a Chevy Colorado probably with a 4 
banger which should pull closer to 23mpg. Not a big increase but
   
  I figure at some point when we're settled into a house (maybe never the way 
things are in New England) I'll probably have 3 vehicles, 2 cars and a pickup. 
I don't *need* a pickup but we do use it as a truck, it goes offroad, hauls 
trash to the dump, hauls brush, firewood, dirt, lawnmowers etc. I to need a 4wd 
vehicle to get in to our camp although I suppose we could walk the 3/4 mile in 
carrying all our supplies, or use the tractor, then again we pull start the 
tractor behind my pickup and the 190D sure isn't gonna be able to do that, the 
Dakota can barely do it now.
  My wife only commutes about 8 miles a day, its just a little too far to walk 
and she has a side gig walking dogs at lunch which she needs the car for. An 
electric car would be ideal for her but we've got nowhere to plug one in near 
our apartment. If we had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva project.
   
  -Curt
   
   
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The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen
vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and 
tow
things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda 
Civic
  


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Or 201 kits for us chuckleheads that buy cars off eBay...
   
  Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:37:27 -0500
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Working on it now.

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Rusty, 

How about the W126 kits? Since we all know the W126 is the *best*
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Gary Hurst
we are not far right now from EVERYTHING being made in china.  They can sell
a car for what Robert Bosch wants for a part for a car.  not sure how the
germans can compete with that

actually, not sure how the germans will be able to compete with anyone
anymore.

how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella and that
question has me worried


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
We've got the slab formed up at my camp for a 16x20 garage to keep my tractor 
in. Realizing we probably should have gone 20x24 but its too late now, I'm not 
redoing the earthwork...
  Thats about the size I'd like 2 cars wide with extra depth...
   
  Twice that would be a perfect size house for me and the wife. We've been 
living in 600sf for 6 years now and could use a bit more space but not so much 
that we'd never get around to cleaning it.
   
  -Curt
   
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Werner Fehlauer wrote:
> Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and 
shop

That's more garage than I need. I've often though of building a 30x40
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thinking about this would be smart enough to plumb the tank vent (and emissions 
system, and axle breathers) into the snorkel...
   
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
As usual I should have been more specific. New England hasn't seen gas under a 
buck in a decade or more and I would postulate that we will never see gas that 
cheap again.
   
  -Curt
   
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I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin.
  
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  Really? Maybe because of reduced demand in NYC? Weren't there price controls 
instituted right after 911?
  Our gas prices didn't go down... Of course theres no production or refining 
here either.
   
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Luther Gulseth
Both?  Maybe China will own the world and we will run China from the back 
seat.

~
~
~
~I think the race is on.  Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or 
~will Wally mart own China?
~
~
~At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
~>R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Put in your bid now. We might get 
sold 
~>to China as they will soon have all
~>the money anyway.
~>
~>Randy B in Canada



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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Loren Faeth



I think the race is on.  Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or 
will Wally mart own China?



At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Put in your bid now. We might get sold 
to China as they will soon have all

the money anyway.

Randy B in Canada





Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Mitch - I built a 32x36 pole barn with 12 ft clearance for a decent lift, 
and it should have been bigger!  Right now with a car, a pickup, 3 tractors 
and some smaller machinery, its pretty full.
Just saw in Autoweek that a guy in Michigan has a 6000 sq ft garage, that 
should be big enough for anybody

Werner

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Werner Fehlauer wrote:

Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop


That's more garage than I need. I've often though of building a 30x40
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Christopher McCann
recall the recent quote from the Economist article that was posted:
  
  If 1/3 of American cars and light trucks were diesel, we would save, every 
year, the amount of oil we import from Saudi Arabia.
  
  
  
  There are SO many alternatives out there - some more viable than  others. 
That our current situation is absolutely rediculous. between  ANWR, nuclear, 
wind, coal gassification, we would be completely self  sufficient in fuel.
  
  Interesting argument from previous post - by not using our own oil  (ANWR) it 
becomes a defacto strategic national reserve. Never thought  of it that way - 
good observation.
  
  Chris
  

R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Put in your bid now. We might get sold 
to China as they will soon have all
the money anyway.

Randy B in Canada

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Well, if those are the "best" means of reducing our dependence upon
foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single
source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be
really unstable.

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of
> stocks, switchgrass and such.  Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR,
> off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits.  Also
> should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants.
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > wilton strickland wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?
> >
> >
> > I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
> > to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
> > using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
> > countries which still have oil.


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Christopher McCann
3 years before I was even born, grandpappy! :-)
  
  Chris

LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  $0.249 my senior year of high school 
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> > I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin.
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Duh...they are in there...I'm an idiot.

Okay...you all don't have to agree so quickly...

Bob Rentfro




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> then they are missing your you didnt order the kit you just ordered the 
> piston seal by itself
> 
> Bob Rentfro wrote:
> 
>> Those boots ain't in the kit
>> 
>>   Bob R
>> 
>> 
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>>>On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
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>>>
I got the rebulid kits from Rusty yeasterday. I started to do the job 
and I've noticed that the rubber boots around the pistons has 
torn/ripped/disinagrated. It does't look like I can replace these, can 
I? I reckon they are vital to keep dirt away from the piston.
What's my next step?

Bob Rentfro

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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen
vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and tow
things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda Civic
or Smart Car (MB content?). So, we currently have, in addition to my "toy"
300D, a full size Ford 4X4 pickup(my winter car), a Toyota 4Runner 4x4 (my 2
sons share it), a Toyota Avalon (wife's car), and 2 old beaters that get
driven when we need an extra vehicle (don't keep insurance on them year
round but usually have it on both in the summer) a 1968 Chevy pickup and a
1980 Ford LTD. We had an 88 Honda Accord as well but the rust caught up with
it about the same time it needed an AT and so we let it go. Would cheerfully
part with the LTD if there was someone who would pay me something reasonable
for it. Don't quite know what to do with the old pickup as I have had it 20
years. Needs body work and paint but runs well. So, I hope you can see my
dilemma. Fuel economy is good but I don't quite know how to accomplish it
and do the things that need to be done. I considered a diesel pickup but the
cost is high to acquire and a lot of my driving is short distance. I'd kill
the poor thing. We travel to the lake in the summer routinely and that is a
trip in excess of 300 miles. I did that 11 times last summer.  The diesel
pickup would be good for that trip but the rest of the time it would not be
used properly. I don't think I can justify acquiring one for 3 or 4 thousand
miles per year. I've run out of parking spots anyhow.
I drove a Chevy Suburban for 10 years from 91 to 2001 and I still miss it.
It did most things well and I got used to the size.
(Just re-read this and it sounds like I am rambling but I think you will get
my point - I like big vehicles. I just want one I can afford to feed.)

Randy B

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What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a
seven
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall
and take your kiddies to soccer practice?

Lee






Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread BillR
And an old man like me can remember $0.23 / gal back in high school - for my
1962 Corvair.
BillR
Jacksonville FL  
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On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:

> I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin.
>

I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was
26.9/gal.

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2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
$0.249 my senior year of high school (1969-70).

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> On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
Put in your bid now. We might get sold to China as they will soon have all
the money anyway.

Randy B in Canada

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Well, if those are the "best" means of reducing our dependence upon
foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single
source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be
really unstable.

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of
> stocks, switchgrass and such.  Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR,
> off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits.  Also
> should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants.
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > wilton strickland wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?
> >
> >
> > I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
> > to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
> > using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
> > countries which still have oil.


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Olympia, WA
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'84 300D (207k)
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

Potter, Tom E wrote:

IIRC there was/is a federal tax break for buying a vehicle that weighs
more than 6000 pounds.
  


Yes, but only for business use.




Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

lee wrote:

On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
  

If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money
burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business.  Its
not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive.  Its
called free market economy.



I have to disagree with you, Kaleb-

I think its called not just "their business" but also their

1). Fouling our air
2). Squandering natural resources, and
3). generally demonstrating that they lack the good sense not to crap where 
they eat. 
  


The basic problem is this particular market doesn't internalize some costs:
- The cost of fouling the "commons" (the atmosphere) with more pollution.
- The cost of using up an irreplacible resource.
- The cost of sending our military out to defend our access to that 
resource.

- The cost of higher injury rates.

If those costs were included somehow in the price of owning an SUV, then 
the market would function fine and the government wouldn't have to 
intervene.  But it's the very fact that those costs *aren't* included 
that makes SUVs so attractive.





Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Werner Fehlauer wrote:
> Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop

That's more garage than I need. I've often though of building a 30x40
hip roof pole barn, with an apartment and a deck upstairs.



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Rick Knoble
 The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a 
family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more 
efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not 
only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the 
trucking to move said materials.


In the Chicago suburbs, they buy houses on 1/4 lots, knock 'em down and fill 
the lot with McMansion. We live in the age of excess

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD 



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Its called "Greed".  Developers can make much more money selling 400k houses 
on 1 acre lots than 100k houses on 1/4 acre lots.  And the local governments 
encourage that because they get more taxes and need less municipal services.
I do look for that bubble to burst, though, as how many 2 person households 
can continue to afford heating/cooling/maintaining/taxes on those big 
houses?


Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop

Werner

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I agree in principle but the problem is that people are really really dumb. 
I talk to people every day who are convinced that gas prices will be under 
$2 sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving to more economical 
vehicles (the 190D and when I replace my Dakota it will be with something 
smaller) because I figure it won't be long until $3 gas is a reality. In 
the 12 years since I graduated highschool gas has gone from $0.99 a gal to 
$2.37 (today anyway). I don't think it takes an economist to expect that in 
2018 gas will be something like $3.77, probably even more.


 The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a 
family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more 
efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not 
only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the 
trucking to move said materials.


 Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary.

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600
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If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money
burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business.  Its
not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive.  Its
called free market economy.



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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:


I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin.



I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was 26.9/gal.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I remember 79 cent a gallon just after 911

Christopher McCann wrote:


I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin.
  
  Chris


Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I  agree in principle but the problem is 
that people are really really  dumb. I talk to people every day who are convinced 
that gas prices will  be under $2 sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving 
to more  economical vehicles (the 190D and when I replace my Dakota it will be  with 
something smaller) because I figure it won't be long until $3 gas  is a reality. In 
the 12 years since I graduated highschool gas has gone  from $0.99 a gal to $2.37 
(today anyway). I don't think it takes an  economist to expect that in 2018 gas will 
be something like $3.77,  probably even more.
   
  The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a  family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more  efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house.  Not only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials  and the trucking to move said materials.
   
  Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600
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If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money 
burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business.  Its 
not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive.  Its 
called free market economy.



   
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Christopher McCann
I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin.
  
  Chris

Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I  agree in principle but the problem is 
that people are really really  dumb. I talk to people every day who are 
convinced that gas prices will  be under $2 sometime soon. To me thats just 
foolish. I'm moving to more  economical vehicles (the 190D and when I replace 
my Dakota it will be  with something smaller) because I figure it won't be long 
until $3 gas  is a reality. In the 12 years since I graduated highschool gas 
has gone  from $0.99 a gal to $2.37 (today anyway). I don't think it takes an  
economist to expect that in 2018 gas will be something like $3.77,  probably 
even more.
   
  The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a  
family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more  efficient 
over the years but now we blow it by having way more house.  Not only is it 
costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials  and the trucking to 
move said materials.
   
  Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600
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If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money 
burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business.  Its 
not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive.  Its 
called free market economy.


   
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
I agree in principle but the problem is that people are really really dumb. I 
talk to people every day who are convinced that gas prices will be under $2 
sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving to more economical vehicles 
(the 190D and when I replace my Dakota it will be with something smaller) 
because I figure it won't be long until $3 gas is a reality. In the 12 years 
since I graduated highschool gas has gone from $0.99 a gal to $2.37 (today 
anyway). I don't think it takes an economist to expect that in 2018 gas will be 
something like $3.77, probably even more.
   
  The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a family 
of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more efficient over the 
years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not only is it costing is in 
fuel to heat it but in building materials and the trucking to move said 
materials.
   
  Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary.
   
  -Curt
   
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If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money 
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dave walton wrote:
> 
> My free-market side winces at this type of legislation, but it is necessary.
> Once diesel prices go over $4/gallon, the market will work all these bug out
> by itself. Truckers will want to use it because it costs a buck less per
> gallon.

You seem to think that the price of bio stays constant while the price
of dino goes up. Three years ago, bio was $1.70 while dino was $1.40,
both fully taxed. One might have thought demand for bio would go through
the roof when dino hit $2.50, but it's not happening.



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
Don't recall that but did hear him say that the obscene profits of the big
oil companies was ok. He should be smarter than that. Even if he believes
it, he should be enough of a politician to keep his mouth shut or say
something a bit less specific.

Randy B

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 Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Trampas
I personally believe that gas should be more expensive. Thus it would make
the big SUV less attractive and the big Mercedes cheaper for us. 

Trampas

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On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money
> burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business.  Its
> not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive.  Its
> called free market economy.
>

I have to disagree with you, Kaleb-


I think its called not just "their business" but also their

1). Fouling our air
2). Squandering natural resources, and
3). generally demonstrating that they lack the good sense not to crap where 
they eat. 

And actually, it does appear to be the governments right and job to dictate 
what we can drive. Hence all this talk about federal pollution guidelines, 
safety standards and fuel standards. 

Lee

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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread lee
On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money
> burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business.  Its
> not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive.  Its
> called free market economy.
>

I have to disagree with you, Kaleb-


I think its called not just "their business" but also their

1). Fouling our air
2). Squandering natural resources, and
3). generally demonstrating that they lack the good sense not to crap where 
they eat. 

And actually, it does appear to be the governments right and job to dictate 
what we can drive. Hence all this talk about federal pollution guidelines, 
safety standards and fuel standards. 

Lee



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yep, thats my thought.  When their oil dries up in what, 10-20 years or 
so, then where will they be?


Potter, Tom E wrote:


Mitch has it right. I have always thought that those who complain about
us "depending" on foreign oil have it backwards. I say get 100 percent
of our oil from abroad. When they run out, we will be the only ones with
oil. By the time we deplete our supply we will have developed an
alternate source of energy. Just my 2 cents.

Tom Potter

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wilton strickland wrote:


Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?



I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish 
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other

countries which still have oil.

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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

people are becoming lazy and sissified.

John W. Reames III wrote:


On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, lee wrote:

What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven 
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 



Every morning on my commute, i see something worse: soccer-mom types 
starting up the SUV, the kid hopping in, then they make the arduous trek 
down their ~200yd drive way and sit with the engine running waiting for 
the school bus.. and its not just one family!

-j.



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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money 
burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business.  Its 
not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive.  Its 
called free market economy.


paul wrote:


irresponsibility?

oh god.

lee wrote:



wilton strickland wrote:




Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?




I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
countries which still have oil.
  



What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven 
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 


Lee





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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Potter, Tom E
IIRC there was/is a federal tax break for buying a vehicle that weighs
more than 6000 pounds.

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Yeah like more armoured Humvees and guns, yeah lots more guns.
You just sort of know that we are in the deep end of the poo pool when 
dubbya starts saying we are in the deep end.

Hendrik
more guns = more fun

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> Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he
> said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not
> bail them out, that they should "build something relevant". Couldn't
> believe my eyes.
>
> On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> lee wrote:
>> > What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of
driving 
>> > a seven
>> > thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to
the 
>> > mall
>> > and take your kiddies to soccer practice?
>> >
>>
>> No, of course not.  His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more
>> subsidies.  Conservation is un-American, remember?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Potter, Tom E
Mitch has it right. I have always thought that those who complain about
us "depending" on foreign oil have it backwards. I say get 100 percent
of our oil from abroad. When they run out, we will be the only ones with
oil. By the time we deplete our supply we will have developed an
alternate source of energy. Just my 2 cents.

Tom Potter

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wilton strickland wrote:
> 
>  Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?

I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish 
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread John W. Reames III
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, lee wrote:
> What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a 
> seven 
> thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
> and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 

Every morning on my commute, i see something worse: soccer-mom types 
starting up the SUV, the kid hopping in, then they make the arduous trek 
down their ~200yd drive way and sit with the engine running waiting for 
the school bus.. and its not just one family!
-j.





Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Hendrik Riessen

Yeah like more armoured Humvees and guns, yeah lots more guns.
You just sort of know that we are in the deep end of the poo pool when 
dubbya starts saying we are in the deep end.


Hendrik
more guns = more fun

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Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he
said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not
bail them out, that they should "build something relevant". Couldn't
believe my eyes.

On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

lee wrote:
> What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving 
> a seven
> thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the 
> mall

> and take your kiddies to soccer practice?
>

No, of course not.  His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more
subsidies.  Conservation is un-American, remember?



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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread paul

irresponsibility?

oh god.

lee wrote:


wilton strickland wrote:
 


Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?
 


I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
countries which still have oil.
   



What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven 
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 


Lee
 





Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> And wearing sweaters!  Part of the reason he lost the election in
> 1980---nobody wanted Mr. Rogers for president.

The Onion, in their "Our Dumb Century" book, had a great sendup of that
election.  It was a newspaper front page with a picture of Carter,
captioned "Let's talk better mileage," and one of Reagan, captioned
"Kill the bastards."



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote:
> Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he
> said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not
> bail them out, that they should "build something relevant". Couldn't
> believe my eyes.

I agree in principle, but I don't think it's a principled stand.  He was
all for giving money to the airlines to protect those jobs, and he has
no problem with giving tax breaks to oil companies in a year of record
profits for them.  Yet he thinks bailing out auto manufacturers isn't a
good idea.  Maybe it has something to do with union autoworkers tending
to vote Democratic.



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread OK Don
I think it's "Buy as much as we can, as fast as we can."

On 2/1/06, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy
> but, "Use as much as we can as fast as we can."
>
> Wilton
>

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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread OK Don
Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he
said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not
bail them out, that they should "build something relevant". Couldn't
believe my eyes.

On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> lee wrote:
> > What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a 
> > seven
> > thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall
> > and take your kiddies to soccer practice?
> >
>
> No, of course not.  His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more
> subsidies.  Conservation is un-American, remember?
>

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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 2/1/06, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy
> > but, "Use as much as we can as fast as we can."
> >
> > Wilton
>
> IIRC, Jimmy Carter had us turning our thermostats down to 68.

And wearing sweaters!  Part of the reason he lost the election in
1980---nobody wanted Mr. Rogers for president.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Rick Knoble

'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy
but, "Use as much as we can as fast as we can."

Wilton


IIRC, Jimmy Carter had us turning our thermostats down to 68. His 
administration may have been responsible for the implementation of CAFE 
standards in 1978 also. I agree that we haven't had much of an energy policy 
in recent decades.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD



[MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread wilton strickland
'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy
but, "Use as much as we can as fast as we can."

Wilton




Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck

lee wrote:
What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven 
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 
  


No, of course not.  His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more 
subsidies.  Conservation is un-American, remember?





Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread lee

 wilton strickland wrote:
> >  Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?
>
> I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
> to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
> using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
> countries which still have oil.

What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven 
thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall 
and take your kiddies to soccer practice? 

Lee



Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, if those are the "best" means of reducing our dependence upon
foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single
source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be
really unstable.

On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of
> stocks, switchgrass and such.  Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR,
> off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits.  Also
> should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants.
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > wilton strickland wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?
> >
> >
> > I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
> > to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish
> > using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
> > countries which still have oil.


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of 
stocks, switchgrass and such.  Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR, 
off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits.  Also 
should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants.


Mitch Haley wrote:


wilton strickland wrote:


Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?



I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish 
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other

countries which still have oil.

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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
wilton strickland wrote:
> 
>  Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?

I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution
to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish 
using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other
countries which still have oil.



[MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread wilton strickland
 Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil?

Wilton