HI
percepts DQ! Concepts SQ!
Joe
On 1/18/10 2:58 PM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote:
[Krimel]
This problem of continuous and discontinuous is a major big deal. James
handles it very well in Some Problems of Philosophy where he makes a
distinction between perception which is continuous
On 1/12/10 11:40 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com channels Royce:
snip
Attention to this generalization of Kempe leads Royce to propose a 'working
postulate of our process of comprehending things through our successive
discrimination', namely 'Between any two there is a third' (Royce 1901
.
Infinitely yours,
Mary
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On 1/7/10 9:30 AM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Steve,
Steve said about his idea:
It comes from Wim. Remember him?
Matt:
Yes, I do: Wim Nusselder. We started writing here at just
about the same time. I liked him.
Steve said:
I'm not sure that it makes
On 1/2/10 6:39 PM, Mary Clark marysonth...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
I have no idea how any of this relates to the MoQ, but you brought it up,
after all, and I'm beginning to think that is DOES. Why do we see Quality
in music constructed using the Western octave? Is this a learned response
or a
On 1/1/10 11:48 PM, skut...@online.no skut...@online.no wrote:
On Saturday 1 January 2010 11: 48 PM Bo writes:
snip
If you say what I believe you say, we agree. DQ will not become
whatever I say it is. The known static sequence is mandatory, the
intellectual level could not spring out of the
On 12/31/09 12:15 AM, skut...@online.no skut...@online.no wrote:
snip
Please no new levels!!! (the MOQ is no level to forestall comments)
I've never placed logic ITSELF at the social level. The point is that
Pirsig declared it an intellectual (nonS/O pattern) but if applying logic
(in the
On 12/30/09 11:14 AM, skut...@online.no skut...@online.no wrote:
snip
Symbolizes ...? 2+2=4 written this way may look intellectual but
dots or dashes, or pebbles is symbols all right and apes can do the
latter (I'm told) and if so the intellectual level is moved down into the
biological realm.
On 12/26/09 12:25 PM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote:
snip
In fact, I think these narratives are extraordinarily
important in defining what the hell we are talking about
with the phrases social patterns and intellectual
patterns. Because if you can't tell a Darwinian story
about
Ham
snip
The
patterns of Pirsig's defined SQ are precisely that -- defined phenomena.
Indeed, the only undefined entity in existence is the knowing subject and
his/her emotional (valuistic) sensibility. To express what Socrates called
the unexamined self in a comprehensible fashion, we must
On 12/18/09 3:07 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Ham and all,
I am happy to participate in your frivolity. Hopefully it clears the air.
I thought you were a serious thinker, but posting the above to a site
discussing Pirsig¹s metaphysics DQ undefined/SQ defined, evoked
On 12/13/09 12:36 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
I disagree that not everything [you] know is definable. Empirical
knowledge is by definition definable.
Hi Ham and all,
I am happy to participate in your frivolity. Hopefully it clears the air.
I thought you were a serious thinker,
On 12/15/09 8:27 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Ham,
I do appreciate your humor!
Joe
I was not aware that a logic could be derived from Pirsig's description of
DQ/SQ. But, however you arrived at these conclusions, they are illogical.
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo,
On 12/14/09 11:18 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
What is manifested is the appearance of beingness that we call existence.
What is Real is the source of this appearance. The source (or cause) is
logically primary to the effect.
Here is the logic as I see it:
Mathematics (the ordered
On 12/10/09 11:31 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
snip
Ham
Joe, maybe it's the late hour, but I have no idea what triggered all this
cynicism, even if it's directed at me. I can accept criticism, but can't
respond intelligently to this collage of unclarified assertions. Perhaps
you
On 12/10/09 11:31 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
I do not have to define existence because it is defined by experience.
Hi Ham and all,
And, of course, experience is defined by existence unless you are
experiencing the non-existent, which I think is called fiction, and then you
On 12/7/09 9:55 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
On Monday 07 December 2009 9:55 PM Ham writes:
Ham
Well, I'm sorry that my Idealism is more than you can deal with. But if
your ontology is based on the premise that existence is prior to reality,
I would suggest that you subscribe to
On 12/6/09 10:38 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
On Sunday 06 December 2009 10:38 PM Ham wrote:
I suspect you may be confused by my terminology. Reality in my vernacular
connotes what REALLY (ultimately) IS. Existence is that which only
appears to be, and 'existents' are the finite
, never dynamic logic. There are no analogues in defined mathematics
and its use is more limited in a dialog about what is real..
Imho Joe
On Tuesday, 12/01/09 1:56 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Ham and all,
As I try to make sense of your negation of essence for individuated
On 11/29/09 11:29 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
snip
For the record, Essence is immutable and indivisible. It does not evolve or
branch out into pluralistic layers of quality, however you define them. No
wonder you are confused! There are no essences. All of the above cited
On 11/29/09 10:55 PM, markhsmit markhs...@aol.com wrote:
I was just pointing out another way of looking at things.
If one assumes that there is no creation, no big bang,
no creator, it puts a different spin on things. I don't think
it is to unask the question, I think it's answering the
On 11/27/09 10:42 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Ham and All,
I was musing about DQ in levels of evolution as the root of morality.
DQ gravity identifies the inorganic level.
DQ instinctive procreation by cell splitting is the organic level.
DQ instinctive procreation by the
On 11/28/09 8:25 PM, markhsmit markhs...@aol.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
If existence is perpetual How could we ever know that? I know unask the
question. Does existence come in levels? I know unask the question. What
is growing? Unask the question. Metaphysics becomes unask the question.
What is
On 11/27/09 5:35 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Pirsig subtitles Lila with ³An Inquiry into Morals². My take on that
subtitle is that he expects a discussion to follow evolution as a
foundation
for morality.
This is exactly backwards and a significant error, in my view (and
On 11/27/09 9:55 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
snip
Okay, let's use prime essence. I prefer it to quality which doesn't
exist until it is realized and measured. What is Quality without an
observer? Do you suppose the quality of the Mona Lisa exists on the
canvas independently of
On 11/23/09 6:42 PM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote:
snip
If everything is
experience, what could it possibly mean for something to be
more empirical? How can we drive a metaphysical wedge
between the experience of low quality associated with the
hot stove and the hot stove
past each other. I had hoped my terminology was familiar to you
since the logic in mathematics had been discussed. I was struck by the
words primary contingencies of existence.
Joe
On Wednesday, 11/18/09 at 4:17 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi Ham and all,
How are awareness/otherness
a difference? I can
only conceptualize 1 and there is no change in my awareness of otherness.
Joe
On 11/17/09 6:56 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi Ham and all,
In the face of undefined gravity it is not a huge leap of faith to
analogize the experience of a rock falling, or atoms
On 11/16/09 10:58 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
On Monday 16 November 2009 10:58 PM Ham writes:
snip
Pirsig had
the opportunity to posit Quality as the primary source, thus affording a
metaphysical foundation for his thesis. He chose Experience instead in
deference to the
On 11/9/09 5:57 PM, mark_maxw...@talktalk.net mark_maxw...@talktalk.net
wrote:
Andre:
Emotions are a biological patterns of value.
'The MoQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality'...' (Lila's
Child).
They have been given social meaning and cultural (social and intellectual
PoV's)
On 11/9/09 1:24 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
snip
'I'm just asking questions,' the Captain said.
'Fuck your questions! I'm whatever your questions turn me into. You don't
see that. It's your questions that make me who I am. If you think I'm an
angel then that's what I am. If you think I'm
On 11/7/09 12:29 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
b) I have an idea where I'm going and how I'm getting there, but none at
all on where I end up.
snip
Hi John,
At the age of 76 I have no idea where I¹m going nor how I¹m getting there,
but a few indications on where I will end
On 11/3/09 9:11 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
but it is emotions that
provide the groundwork for selection based on social quality. Without
emotions there could be no social status, celebrity, honor, etc.,
but emotions themselves are part of a mammal's biological response to
its
On 11/1/09 1:10 PM, mark_maxw...@talktalk.net mark_maxw...@talktalk.net
wrote:
snip
Squonk:
Well, what you could do, and which you have not tried to do since our
discussion began, is this:
Explain in your own terms how it was possible for Cosmology, Geometry and
Mathematics to have been used
On 10/31/09 11:44 AM, mark_maxw...@talktalk.net
mark_maxw...@talktalk.net wrote:
snip
Squonk:
I¹ve provided an example of an intellectual pattern that is not a subject or
an object.
Therefore, your statement here has been challenged:
Either,
1. The intellectual level grew out of the social level
On 10/29/09 12:57 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
I actually think you are onto something with one point here, but you
miss the difficulties others are raising.
Yes the social level also involve(d/s) patterns of subjects and
objects - all that the step to the SOMist
On 10/24/09 10:17 AM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote:
snip
Historically speaking, if by subject Bo means a
self-conscious thinker and by object he means a
material thing, then Bo doesn't have a leg to stand on
in saying the Intellect is S/O and that it began in
Greece.
snip
Hi
your statement : ³Evolution as a paradigm:² I find myself in
an idealist camp. I am confused!
I do not know how to reconcile the two points of view from a metaphysical
perspective except by an agreement to disagree.
Joe
On Oct 9, 2009, at 2:05:18 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote
On 10/17/09 11:40 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
snip
The concept of negation is rooted in the precept that an absolute can only
create an other by denying some aspect of itself. An analogy I use is
that of the mountain-climber who has ascended to the summit and can only
proceed by
On 10/13/09 2:02 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Tuesday 13 October2009 2:02 AM Marsha writes to Bo:
snip
Patterned experience (sq or static patterns of value) is
conceptually constructed, ever-changing, relative and interrelated.
Unpatterned experience (DQ) is indivisible, undefinable and
On 10/11/09 6:47 AM, skut...@online.no skut...@online.no wrote:
snip
John said:
My emotions are responses to social relations.
That EMOTION is the social expression par excellence is for sure,
as it is that biology's is SENSATION and intellect's is REASON (for
rhyme's sake the inorganic
On 10/8/09 10:46 PM, markhsmit markhs...@aol.com wrote:
snip
It is quite easy to be bewitched by intellect, and succumb
to its enchantment. If one uses the philosophy of Wittgenstein
for language (or that for thought, by Kant), are these tools by
which one can understand the laws of the
On 10/5/09 4:41 PM, Todd A. Carter tcar...@activelinkarts.com wrote:
This appears to be what RMP walked away from in chapter 13 of Lila. I
believe that this analysis will allow us to generalize from many specific
examples and possibly shed some light on the levels and the morality
between.
My
On 10/6/09 8:18 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Joe
I disagree with your conclusion. There has to be a better way! What you
see is what you get.
John
you can only get what you can see to grab,
but what there is, is more than you can see.
Hi John and All,
Wysiwyg!
writes to Joe:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Steve, and all,
I was musing on Logos (word) is ergon (deed).
I wasn't following that thread too closely, but I think that to say
that a belief is a habit of action (as I would as a pragmatist
as answering mine? Can you explain how?
Best,
Steve
On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
On Monday 21 September 2009 11.54 AM ³Steve Peterson² wrote:
snip
If belief is a habit of action, as the pragmatists say, is all action
best described as some belief? Is faith
On Monday 21 September 2009 11.54 AM ³Steve Peterson² wrote:
snip
If belief is a habit of action, as the pragmatists say, is all action
best described as some belief? Is faith--the aspect of faith that
does not concern factual belief--something that could benefit from a
pragmatist's
Hey Ron,
On 9/19/09 3:03 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Joe,
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi John and all,
You use words in a strange way.
yeah Joe? I can definitely see how you would say that.
There is no doubt
On 9/18/09 11:46 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
A Sum much bigger than its parts - for it grows infinitely, and thus is not
prone to mathematical enclosures. (Sorry Joe)
John indulging in a quickie...
Hi John and all,
You use words in a strange way. Imho DQ remains undefined,
On 9/15/09 10:39 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe that the MoQ teaches that while Quality is undefinable as a
concept, it is an apprehensible experience. In other words, Quality can
only be defined in experience. This experience is all the precision
needed for
,
Your words dance in my head like a song I can't quite understand but enjoy
on levels of unconsciousness.
So keep singing to me, but forgive me if I don't even try and harmonize.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On 9/10/09 9:06 PM, John Carl
On 9/10/09 9:06 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm here for the words, sucking 'em in, spewing 'em out.
Finding good ones and going Hey guys! I found some good ones! Like these!
As it is said, Reality has no comparison, because there is nothing to which
it may be likened; the
On 9/9/09 2:43 PM, platthol...@gmail.com platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
It is easy to offend, not so easy to mend.
On 9 Sep 2009 at 14:34, Joseph Maurer wrote:
On 9/9/09 9:53 AM, platthol...@gmail.com platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Plasshole, your use of Obozo is offensive.
Your use
On 9/10/09 8:57 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
And on that day I walked away from the religion into which I had been born.
On that day, I was saved.
Praise Good!
snip
Hi John and all,
In a Catholic Seminary I studied Greek and Latin! After six years ³Naw,
he¹s no
On 9/9/09 9:53 AM, platthol...@gmail.com platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Plasshole, your use of Obozo is offensive.
Joe
On 9 Sep 2009 at 12:21, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
[Platt]
Once again, Arlo fears truth.
[Arlo]
Fear it? I just posted it! (Included again
below).
As I said, Obozo's
On 9/8/09 8:28 AM, Arlo Bensinger ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
Hi Arlo, Marsha and all,
snip
Do I think that simply reading ZMM induces enlightenment? While I
suppose it *can*, my guess is that its not so machinistically causal.
In ZMM, he describes *his* path to enlightenment, and walking that
On 9/5/09 7:31 AM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Bo:
Paul Turner weren't able to reconciliate ZAM's moq and the MOQ and
left. DMB also saw that his Jamesian travesty couldn't explain a single
thing and left. That's the way it is, no one admits anything just leaves
in hurt silence.
On 9/4/09 6:57 AM, Steve Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Bo:
It was SOM (represented by his colleagues) that asked Phaedrus this
question and the fact that they saw it as a dilemma shows that it was
regarded unavoidable - Quality HAD to fit the S/O matrix - something
that shows
On 8/27/09 12:55 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
inorganic
organic
social
intellect only in reference in the sustaining
of the afore mentioned
but not much else
Hi Ron and all,
DQ/SQ. Undefined/Defined.
Imho: SOM! For thousands of years S hid behind an indefinable curtain: ³You
On 8/22/09 11:06 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
snip
Pirsig postulates that the universal notion of reality is a Subject/Object
paradigm, which is to say, a mind relating to matter. (He has called this
universal notion SOM, despite the fact that it is neither metaphysics nor
a
On 8/21/09 10:59 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
snip
Phew to you, Bo! You claim that using metaphors to label the conflicting
elements resolves the paradoxes. You deny subjectivity, objective reality,
and a primary source, accepting at face value Pirsig's equivalency theory:
On 8/20/09 9:33 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
[Ham]
Human consciousness simply doesn't have the capacity for unconditional
awareness. The human being is a separate organic entity with a psyche or
mind of its own. We exist as finite integers of what Essence is absolutely,
value
for an omnipotent leader at the social level as Bo
has so eloquently described in regard to the madness of the Taliban in their
appeal to Allah for their brutality.
All imho.
Joe
On 8/17/09, 3:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi Ham and all,
I have not the slightest idea how you put words together.
Being
On 8/14/09 9:39 PM, markhsmit markhs...@aol.com wrote:
Where I get stuck is where does personal consciousness
come in? At some point, it seems to me that this Consciousness gets
divided up. This may be called an illusion by some, but it's one hell of an
illusion!
Cheers,
Willblake2
Hi
On 8/14/09 12:01 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
snip
I'd also point out that the central mission in ZAMM is to expand rationality
and that the MOQ's moral hierarchy of static patterns puts intellect at the
top. I mean, the content of Pirsig's philosophy doesn't support
On 8/13/09 9:24 AM, Steve Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't understand the claims that metaphysics is unavoidable. Why must
we call not seeing a way to privilege one metaphysical system above
all other possible views itself a metaphysical view? Why not call this
a
On 8/8/09 3:26 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
Where is the despair in my description of the world of appearances?
(That term is Hegel's, not mine, by the way.) Is it the fact that
experience is constantly changing? Or is it that we can't have access to
absolute truth?
I know it's
On 8/8/09 12:01 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
We live in a space/time world of appearances. The phenomena we experience
are all the result of change and difference which frames the universe. The
only truly static entity in reality is the uncreated source, and that we
can only
On 8/8/09 12:43 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, John! I feel better.
Joe
Gav,
your friend Tess's reaction to sacred and powerful things presented in a
classroom environment wherein a teacher expounds and murders to dissect
reminded me powerfully of my own introduction
On 8/5/09 5:59 PM, markhsmit markhs...@aol.com wrote:
Hi Joe,
I agree that morality is a good way to use the concept of evolution. Now,
do the laws of evolution shape morality, or is it the other way around?
Does the river create the banks, or do the banks guide the river?
Cheers,
, or is there an additional force beyond that
which we now call Evolution? Is Quality evolution, or is evolution Quality?
Cheers,
Willblake2
On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:16:20 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net
Subject:Re: [MD] The case for an Uncreated
On 8/4/09 11:27 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
[Ham]
Did you mean to say that the direction of evolution is morality? If
that's what you meant, and it seems to be what Pirsig is saying, then you
have a different concept of morality than I do. For me, morality requires
human
On 8/3/09 10:31 PM, markhsmit markhs...@aol.com wrote:
[Willblake2]
The trouble with the evolutionary lens, is that it is one-sided.
Evolution proposes growth through change (perhaps directional),
on an unchanging backdrop. With our short lives this is imaginable since
we do not
On 8/2/09 10:28 PM, markhsmit markhs...@aol.com wrote:
Hi John,
I would say that reality goes way beyond what you know. I suppose that a
small subset of reality is what you know. What about what I know, is that
not real?
Hi Willblake2 and all,
And the plot thickens.
Joe
Hi John,
I
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is
behind
names, definitions and explanation.?
Marsha
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On 7/30/09 1:56 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Joe the Plumber? Actually, I've never met a humble plumber Joe, so you are
unique
Hi John and all,
I am a humble plumber!
Joe the Plumber?
[Joe
On 7/30/09 11:07 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Well one doesn't need to be ANY sort of Annie Oakley to take a potshot at
that last statement. How the heck do you talk about keeping language out of
philosophy? Talk about absurd. If you ask me, what we need around here,
besides
On 7/28/09 1:42 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Marsha,
I hope you do paint it, it was delightful.
Joe
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On 7/29/09 6:18 AM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Hi Ron,
I hope the image of the little girl wanting to dance in Church lightened the
notion that morality is based on evolution.
Joe
Hello Joe,
Joe, I often do not know how to respond to your posts, they are
often so dynamic
On 7/28 Joe quotes Bo and Ron:
John
(the raiser of a thousand issues per post ;)
24 July wrote:
I am clearly making a distinction between images
and words here, based upon the MoQ hierarchy of the social vs. the
intellectual. Images are a form of social communication and words are
On 7/27/09 12:02 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greetings Joe,
It seems to me that Evolution is a concern for how things got to be the way
they are, and how they got to function the way that they do. Within MoQ
Evolution do we just change the word 'things' to the word 'patterns'?
On 7/24/09 1:36 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
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On 7/25/09 1:04 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
The Prince of this world cometh, and he hath nothing on me
Jesus
Hi Ron'
I was reading Maurice Nicoll's PSYCHOLOGICAL COMMENTARIES: When I was a
pupil of Dr. Jung in Zurich, he said one day:
is not very
long.
Marsha
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and
currents) but is absolute and immutable in itself because waves and currents
are water too. Thanks Bo!
Joe
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².
Joe
On 7/22/09 3:25 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi Ham,
I am pursuing a thread on MOQ Evolution. Your statement:
But the ultimate source of sensibility, value, change and difference
is itself immutable is flat out contradicted by description of the
evolution of QUALITY by Pirsig
On 7/21/09 1:38 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On 7/20/09 1:26 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
[Marsha]
Evolution
is a high quality intellectual (scientific) static pattern of
value concerned
with the order of existence.
[Marsha]
Holy Moly, I'm from Michigan too
On 7/21/09 1:38 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
[Marsha:]
Evolution is a high quality intellectual (scientific) static pattern of
value concerned with the order of existence.
[Marsha:]
Holy Moly, I'm from Michigan too. Small world. My favorite place was Irish
Hills where my Oma
On 7/21/09 2:04 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
[Marsha:]
Evolution is a high quality intellectual (scientific) static pattern of
value concerned with the order of existence.
[Marsha:]
Holy Moly, I'm from Michigan too. Small world. My favorite place was Irish
Hills where my Oma lived on
On 7/21/09 11:35 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
Ham writes:
[Ham]
What we sense is Value. What we conceptualize (intellectually, after the
fact) are the existentially defined phenomena that experience creates
(valuistically). The defined dynamic properties of existential
On 7/22/09 12:38 PM, Louise Pryor bypryordes...@gmail.com wrote:
[Lu]
I seem to be getting into a lot of conversations lately with this sort of
problem - people are so married to their own ideas about, or understanding
of, God (whether they are for or against), that those ideas sort of
become
guitar, and I always think you are talking about
harmony and making beautiful music.
Marsha
[Joe]
AW GI
Joe
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: not this,
not that.
I love the Metaphysics of Quality, an inquiry into morals.
Marsha
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the Metaphysics of Quality, an inquiry into morals.
Marsha
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On 7/19/09 12:43 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Marsha and all,
My thought as I typed ³Absolute² was that Pirsig tied morals to evolution.
On my copy of Lila the subtitle is AN INQUIRY INTO MORALS. My sense is that
for Pirsig evolution is not speculation, but the metaphysical
Hi Marsha
I don¹t want the denial or falseness of any truth to be true! I prefer the
denial of absolute truth to be a limit to perception. I want to know as much
as I can. Am I a star in the heavens? How silly!
I accept that the truth that I know is limited to who I am. Maybe if I
accept
On 7/18/09 12:55 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Marsha and all.
My story is chance. I studied in a Catholic Seminary, College and
Monastery for 12 years. After 12 years of studying St Thomas Aquinas, I
thought I knew Philosophy. I was married to Louise after Anna was born. We
On 7/17/09 1:27 AM, skut...@online.no skut...@online.no wrote
Hi Bo,
I am a somewhat asleep hero-worshiper. When you stated that the Taliban
abused the social level for their own machinations and that it was a very
very wrong to do, I was impressed at the quality and depth or your
On 7/17/09 5:59 AM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Hi Ron,
I recognize the keep on truckin! I want to talk about evolution as in
levels in existence. Are you interested?
Joe
Bo:
Not until Robert Pirsig. I came
across Zen and the Art .. in 1978 and it turned my tables. Phaedrus
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