my doubts.
I think it is more correct to reserve attributes to express meta-data
about the date value in the 'XML-element'.
Attributes to express: language, coding system, precision, etc.
Gerard Freriks
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etter other solution.
I'm not closely following HL7 Templates.
Are the HL7 Templates a separate and diverging piece of work when
compared to EN13606-2 or harmonising?
Do both the HL7 Templates and CEN Archetypes share identical
requiremenets?
Gerard
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Dear Graham,
Thank you for your frank answers.
It is clear.
CEN and HL7 are on diverging paths with respect to Templates and
Archetypes.
Gerard
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Those
On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Heather Leslie wrote:
> Hi Erik,
>
> Yes, clusters used in the way you describe can be queried upon just
> like any
> other class of archetype. It is one way to handle these issues,
> but still
> the 'purer' methodology for a Pap smear report, in this case, wou
gt; openEHR Reference Model
> PSM => Reference model instances.
>
> Cheers, Thilo
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
imply have got to
> be kidding.
>
> umm...where to even startoh yes how about...
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purch
> with
> limited context and have not considered implications regarding storage
> and retrieval of healthcare information for decision support, public
> health analysis, etc.
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M_STRUCTURE) anywhere in the 13606 demographics
> package, is this correct?
> __________
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to pu
both the visible and invisible parts of the Template.
Gerard
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary
Safety, deserve
Hi,
I agree with Heath's opinion.
It is better to present both alternatives and let the application/user
decide what he wants to see in reality.
But for admission to a record the rule must be: see and inspect both
before accepting.
Gerard
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Thomas,
I do not have the details, but I know they use the CEN standard for
registries.
Francois Mennerat will know more.
Gerard
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Those who would give
?
Gerard
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin 11 Nov
1755
ecutive Officer
> Ocean Informatics
> Director, openEHR Foundation
> Senior Visiting Research Fellow, University College London
> Aus: +61 4 1783 8808
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s particular
> data (EHR extract?) travels, how many users access it and how.
>
> These are just initial thoughts and I am sure there are already better
> ones out there. I think, seriously, such studies would be very
> beneficial for community in convincing interested parties
gt; express comfortably that a two-level app beats a single level app 7x
> in
> maintainability and 5x interoperability. Or beats 2x HL7 system in
> maintenance but is beaten 2x in interoperablity. Perhaps I am being
> too
> naive but it is worth trying.
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earch to be
> undertaken in the future using ontological tools and engines.
>
> So we need to keep the balance between freedom and structure,
> recognising (as Ian McNicoll says) that good archetypes take the
> problem out of the technical space to where it becomes a human (and
&
hors are creating new 'versions'
> when
> in fact the changes are only new revisions
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase
I must disappoint you:
Dutch: Revisie, versie.
Gerard
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Ian McNicoll wrote:
>
> BTW What would be the equivalents in Dutch for Revision and Version?
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HR as the productive marriage of 2 noble
> families, whose sum is greater than the parts, whilst accepting that
> there will remain on-going jockeying for position in the 'border
> lands'.
>
> Ian (joyfully mixing his metaphors)
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quot;grey zone" related problems less
> harmful.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
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te in the next year or so!
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ions
> of the semantics may be processed formally.
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary
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so solved by producing
> archetypes for each analyte and then reusing them for different
> batteries. This would then mean that P-ALAT is the same archetype
> where ever it is used. Personally, I think the coded solution is
> better here as we would have fewer archetypes to man
t the (OpenEHR) template level. In here
> you can be explicit in what is to be included or excluded.
>
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to p
sing for an unkonventinal lab test.
>
> What do you think?
>
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Safety, d
s is what we - early clinical users with some
> technical insight - should come up with.
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a l
e Model that we know by the name: Syntax
of language.
WIth regards,
Gerard Freriks
On 24, Jun, 2008, at 12:16 , Georg Duftschmid wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I would like to ask you for your opinion on a statement in ISO/DTR
> 20514 (Definition, scope and context of the EHR), w
-Types (and Templates)
Presentation: Presentation-Types
Methods: Method-Types
Each Type its own tool, Model and Language
Plus one tool that integrate all three aspects of the Object.
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deal with conditional context dependent
presentation, the functionality of a electronic form
- local arrangements that deal with local preferences on location on
the screen, presentation forms, fonts, colors, etc.
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My spectrum:
- Archetypes (generic documentation patterns)
- Templates (context dependent documentation patterns)
- Generic User Interfaces (generic presentation patterns)
- User Interface (context dependent presentation patterns)
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few people from the USA do that.
Gerard Freriks
On 14, Mar, 2008, at 18:52 , Kudakwashe Dube wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm just beginning a research project on
> security/privacy/confidentiality in EHRs. I will greatly appreciate
> any
> pointers to any material on this
Perhaps you have not noticed
The question was about Open Source and not about commercial
proprietary ehr systems
Gf
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On 6 nov 2008, at 20:07, "Norbert Lipszyc" wrote:
> The dbMotion solution, developed in Israel, is today covering nearly
> 6 million patients in Israel,
'openness' that the data base is open?
Gerard
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temporary
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Shouldn't we consider to extend the Demographics to Resources?
Isn't a person one of many types of resources we need to document in
and around the EHR?
(e.g. devices, catalogs with lab tests or procedures, rooms, beds, ad-
hoc lists, etc)
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imply shows that informaticians misunderstand linguistics and the
> nature of knowledge.
>
> OK - you can shoot me down now..
>
> Derek.
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Graham,
Exactly.
Somewhere there is a paradox.
Gerard
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Dear Seref,
Ask yourself the question:
How do we, humans, deal with interoperability?
Do we humans use formally expressed ontologies using OWL.
Do we use rigid formal syntaxes where we use strictly defined formal
terms.
Do wet have to express a measurement in DV-Quantity as Double or
Floating
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>
>
>
> 2009/4/22 Gerard Freriks :
> > Dear Seref,
> >
> > Ask yourself the question:
> >
systems, terminologies,
classifications and code lists).
They never map to ontologies. Should never map to ontologies and vice
versa.
Any attempt to try to map Ontologies to Syntax structures is bound to
fail.
It is squaring the circle.
Gerard
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specify all this in universal way?
Gerard
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Question:
Isn't the pain score a COUNT data type?
Gerard
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next version of EN13606.
But also with my thoughts about the Boundary problem with coding systems and
ontologies.
In collaboration with the Technical University in Valencia we started a project
to think about the next version of EN13606.
For this purpose a website is created as focus point for d
th regards,
Gerard
On 10 feb 2010, at 13:05, Stef Verlinden wrote:
>
> Op 10 feb 2010, om 11:37 heeft Gerard Freriks het volgende geschreven:
>
>> It is imperative that DCM's are absolutely free to use and in the public
>> domain. CEN/ISO and ANSI assure that
ssue all kinds of IP-licenses.
> The company form has nothing to do with the licenses it issues
>
> Bert
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>> I agree that the form of the company is not the issue.
>> What is important who controls the IP.
>> All Archetypes/Templates/ DCM's must be in the public domain, as is
>> lang
Safari worked fine
GF
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On 19 Nov 2010, at 16:55, Sebastian Garde wrote:
> Hi Seref,
>
> I have the same problem sometimes with PDFs from the openEHR space in Firefox.
> Often it works, but sometimes I get the error you experience.
will be submitted to CEN/tc251 and
ISO/tc215.
For more information about the EN13606 Association and the Seville meeting I
refer to:
www.en13606.org
Non-members that want to participate in this meeting are invited to subscribe.
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On 15 dec. 2011, at
Dear Erik,
Some personal comments in the text below.
GF
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=
On 15 dec. 2011, at 15:02, Erik Sundvall wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 08:52, David Moner wrote:
>> The unofficial ren
.
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On 16 dec. 2011, at 12:06, Erik Sundvall wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:32, David Moner wrote:
>> In any case, this generic design is a result of the current scope of 13606:
>> EHR exchange and not a comple
EHR-system.
This difference is something the EN1366 Association cares about.
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On 4 Oct 2012, at 00:02, Thomas Beale wr
W3C does not prescribes how to implement their standards in
systems.
This is the responsibility of the industry in all circumstances.
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On 4 Oct 2012, at 02:02, Koray Atalag wrote:
> Hi Gerard,
> I think getting the content model is abso
See below.
On 4 Oct 2012, at 18:07, Thomas Beale wrote:
> On 03/10/2012 23:26, Gerard Freriks wrote:
>>> I just care about getting one model
>>
>> In the case of 13606 one good model that describes a generic interface for
>> EHR communication, also, for commun
.
When you translate the text in the openEHR archetype to Dutch it is derived but
still derived from the original openEHR RM.
In this case attribution must be stated to openEHR RM and the clinical group.
Is this an answer?
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On 22 mrt. 2012, at 13
believed to be present, or not,
during a period of time.
- As do Instructions
- As do Actions
Time is never is a discriminating factor that sets Observations apart from the
other Entry types.
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On 21 Jun 2012, at 14:21, Sam Heard wrote:
> Hi Di
ly amazing thing is that traditional epistemological categories are
> of such little help. Divisions of a priori / a posteriori / how-to are only
> vaguely useful (we used them and gave up on Aus GeHR), and yet to a
> clinician, the differences between the observation of blood glucose
archetypes, properly.
Don't we all have an obligation to make semantic interoperability possible?
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On 22 Jun 2012, at 02:45, Jussara wrote:
> Think the background of our discussions is about CLASSfying.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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ncept that must have attached to it a
unique identifier.
- Archetype editors must support this.
And I would like to add:
- When specialising each specialised concept must be a subset of its previous
one.
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On 28 aug. 2013, at 09:13, David Moner wrot
eren
verstand'. (GBV)
Translated: the common sense of the farmer.
Many obvious things that happen in life, happen because they happen.
I do not have to prove, that water flows, that fire burns, that winds exits,
for you and me to accept this is true,
with or without a science, with or without
yes, I agree.
And it is the same as communication in a 'closed world' or 'open world'
situation.
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On 29 aug. 2013, at 09:50, gjb wrote:
> Re: Ontology & archetype codes
>
> aren't we, here, in the realms
systems we want but do not have on the market.
Do you have any suggestion for alternative terms?
Gerard
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On 29 aug. 2013, at 11:12, Daniel Karlsson wrote:
> Gerard, Everyone,
>
> could you please *NOT* reuse existing terms like "o
experiences.
Questions:
Have you produced a lot of Template stuff?
Or,
have you produced semantic interoperability artefacts?
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On 30 aug. 2013, at 18:42, William Goossen wrote:
> Semantic interoperability is absolutely compromised when for the s
nce/Absence indicator is NOT a boolean data type but a fixed text:
Present/Absent
In addition, after long debates, it had been decided in the CEN/ISO Task Groups
that in the RM we have one flag that indicates that something is 'fishy'.
It is the 'Attention' attribute in the ENTRY
t all.
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On 14 jun. 2013, at 09:41, Daniel Karlsson wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 10:34 +0100, Ian McNicoll wrote:
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>>
>> The Ocean TDD->canonical transform is available at
>>
>>
See below
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On 14 jun. 2013, at 11:09, Daniel Karlsson wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 09:56 +0200, Gerard Freriks wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> While we are at it.
>>
>>
>> -1-
>> Why do we need a TD
Archetypes
expressed as constraints on their Reference Model
and it is even more out of scope to deal with Templates
and it is absolutely out of scope to deal with implementation issues such as
XML representations of an implementable Template designed for local use.
Gerard Freriks
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ts'
do you mean shorter XML payload that go ver the wire?
Observe that when parties decide to be semantically interoperable this means
that every data point and all its context needs to be sent over the wire.
Full semantic interoperability demands more resources than just updating fields
in a
One simple example:
I can have an archetype slot that is filled at run-time as allowed by a regular
expression or a hand entered list of possible archetypes that can fill that
slot.
But there are more examples.
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On 14 jun. 2013, at 13:01, Daniel
The best example is:
One ENTRY archetype node that can have one ore more Clusters added to it - when
allowed -of course-via Archetype slots at run- or design time.
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On 14 jun. 2013, at 13:01, Daniel Karlsson wrote:
>> Using the 13606 AOM
So do I
GF
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On 24 sep. 2013, at 09:42, Ian McNicoll
wrote:
> Hi Bert,
>
> This is perfectly legal ADL created with the Ocean AE - it allows for
> a single value with a 'choice' of datatype. We use this pattern fairly
etype.
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On 2 apr. 2014, at 13:27, Diego Bosc? wrote:
> I repost this discussion from the java implementation list, I think it could
> be interesting to get feedback from the general implementers community.
>
> -- Forwarded message
etype.
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On 2 apr. 2014, at 13:27, Diego Bosc? wrote:
> I repost this discussion from the java implementation list, I think it could
> be interesting to get feedback from the general implementers community.
>
> -- Forwarded message
e-use)
archetypes and templates.
And some parts of the semantics, as you advocate, in the RM and others in
archetype patterns is wrong.
That is my opinion.
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On 16 feb. 2014, at 14:18, Thomas Beale
wrote:
>
> this is a common but misleading
a philosophical issue.
Although some philosophical notions,
and linguistic ones
are helpful.
Practicalities, translated as ?corners quickly cut', ?quick fixes',
look nice in the short run.
But how about the long(er) run?
Gerard Freriks
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On 17 feb. 2014, at
care of the full semantics is to fluid at this
point in time to be frozen in the RM.
Gerard
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On 18 feb. 2014, at 13:11, Ian McNicoll wrote:
> Hi Gerard,
>
> Good question. The value is not in the classification but in the
> attributes
, Name=BloodSerumGlucose)
The Slot Mechanism must rely on this data inside the archetypes for the
(de-)selection of candidate slot fillers.
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On 15 jan. 2014, at 10:09, Diego Bosc? wrote:
> I agree that sometimes regular expressions can be tricky,
signed-oof, than that is a different matter.
And signing off the Composition as artefact (Archetype) is a different matter
again.
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> On 15 nov. 2014, at 10:56, Ian McNicoll wrote:
>
> Hi William,
>
>
Dear all,
Magnitude is not the same as Units of Measurement.
Units of Measurement are not the same as Magnitude.
Gerard
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> On 17 nov. 2014, at 13:47, Ian McNicoll oceaninformatics.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 31 okt. 2014, at 08:39, David Moner wrote:
>
> I will explain it in another way.
>
> ac codes are used as "placeholder constraints", i.e. a kind of link to a
> query or subset in a terminological systems that defines the possible
> instance values of a coded attribute.
>
> My questi
Hi,
At last I can use copies for my own collection of articles
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On 25 sep. 2014, at 10:50, Diego Bosc? wrote:
> I have the same doubts as Ian about which kinds of transformations you
> are looking for, so I'll give you a summary :)
>
, transaction, etc)
Even things like an organiser archetype must become a real archetype and be
not a part of the kernel.
With regards,
Gerard
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00, you wrote:
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> The last week I had a discussion with some colleagues of me at TNO.
>>> They studied the OpenEhr proposal for a model for the EHR.
>>>
>>> It is their opinion, and I agree with it, that the Ker
that we have this covered - the donor example is a bit of a
> mind bender but I think the subject of care and relationship provides the
> solution.
>
> COmments?
>
> Cheers, Sam
>
> Dr Sam Heard
> Ocean Informatics, openEHR
&
, but I also saw the presentation that Mike is talking about, and they
> do in
> fact create virtual CDA instances whcih are made available via the web to give
> users a virtual view of the EHR. This is using CDA documents not even so much
> as messages (there is no new content) but as
erard really disagrees with this.
>
> - thomas
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gt;>> mother - who is actually just a carrier - has sickle cell...?).
>>>
>>
>> I do believe that we have this covered - the donor example is a bit of a
>> mind bender but I think the subject of care and relationship provides the
>> solution.
>>
>> COmments?
>>
>> Cheers, Sam
>>
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What I wrote was (in other words)
I see no difference (on a certain level) between natural language and an
artificial one like ENV 13606 plus ICD-x or any other classfication and
terminological system.
Gf
n 2002-12-18 17:00, "Thomas Beale" wrote:
>
>
> Gerard Frer
ts.
The consequence is that one RIM with one Demographics part will be to
restrictive.
One RIM with several types of demographic models (using
Archetypes/Templates) is the sensible way to think about it.
Gerard
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>
>> For this reason - I would like to see the Delta (or change) attribute to
>> quantities to enable us to say if this measurement has gone up or down more
>> than expected.
>>
> just one little question: when does it get turned on? What is "a lot",
> or
ave the
>> same status in
>>> any way.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If we are to formalise this concept, we need to have use cases showing
>>>> when/why contributions need to be handled as explicit entities.
>>>>
>>>> If we can prove the
ir own specialised ways of working and requirements, including
> audit and quality control issues, which ultimately determine how they need
> their data to be structured. They cannot all use just one structure,
> however much we would like this to be the case.
> >>>
Nex
ether another application
> is expected to use that structured data in a way that (a) adds value and (b)
> is safe. If either (a) or (b) are not true then structure simply adds cost
> and complexity without benefit.
>
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ut it has to
> be better than having falsely accuracte dates, or else no structured
> date at all.
>
> Paul, what do you think of this approach?
>
> - thomas beale
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compassing, fulfilling all needs for
all, Medical Record shared by all; now and in the future.
Gerard
On 2002-06-08 01:27, "Tim Benson" wrote:
>> From: Gerard Freriks
>> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:46:28 +0200
>>
>> I want to separate CEN from HL7. With CEN
gt;>>> committed - what is that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew has also suggested that EHR extracts are really a kind of
>>>>> "contribution", since they are effectively a bag of TRANSACTIONs to
> be
>>>>> applied to en
curious as to what clinical templates will do to level 3. I certainly hope
> we can get together on architypes, GPICS, clinical templates, and Huffs/3M
> clinical data models.
>
> What say?
>
> Ed Hammond
> By the way, these are my opiniuons. I'm not sure anyone else wants t
even that was an interpretation.The 'true'
> story is unknowable.
>
>> I can see that objective information (orders, test results) can be shared
> by
>> all without real problems. But people (good healthcare) will need
> subjective
>> narrative as recorded in
em, or you don't. The
> HL7 approach can be described as an "anything-goes" approach - you can
> create a structured data item no matter how little you know; it will
> just have fewer or more Null markers.
>
> I am partway though writing up the different design approa
ations/data, as well
> as being the physical part of a "key" that allows access to this
> data, and maybe also carrying some portion of the data (at least a
> summary of key events and critical information such as serious
> allergies, medication etc)
>
> tony grivell
>
>
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