Re: DSLR Speculation

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Nov 2002 at 19:17, Pål Jensen wrote: Michael wrote So perhaps, their second DSLR will be a resurrected version of the MZ-S based full frame sensor.. Wouldn't that be nic I have no doubt that Pentax will release a full frame DSLR eventually. I doubt, however, the MZ-S will ahve

Re: Books on Portraiture (was: Re: Great Shoot, Was Whining about Security)

2002-11-25 Thread Cotty
Hi Dan, 'The New 35mm Photographer's Handbook' by Julian Calder and John Garrett Thanks Cotty. A copy is on its way to my mailbox. Let me know what you think of it, privately if you think it's crap ;-) Did you manage to get anything into the December PUG? Do you know - I can't remember b.

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Cotty
Somebody hold my glasses, please. Hork, ptui. GAK! [insert sound of bodily fluid striking eye] How could anyone possibly see the subtle nuances of the fringe area between focus and out-of-focus looking at a silly chart or table? The thing you are shooting is _right in front of you_. Look at

Re: for sale

2002-11-25 Thread Cotty
Richard, You sly dog. How the heck are ya? fanfare I've decided to let go of all of my Pentax film gear stylus-scratch Et tu Bruti! At least I held onto a few trinkets for pity's sake. Let me know if you're heading this way or ever passing through. Cotty

Re[2]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, good story, but it's the wrong analogy. I'm not suggesting a change to the f-stop system I'm suggesting a different way of labelling lenses. --- Bob Monday, November 25, 2002, 12:58:20 AM, you wrote: You guys sound like the member of the legislature (a true story!) who quite

Re: Some photos

2002-11-25 Thread Cotty
After taking a break from the regularly scheduled arguments ;-), I've taken some photos and put 'em on my web page. My annual batch of fall shots are at http://www.robertstech.com/fall2002.htm Lovely photographs, Mark. Stunning colour, composition. I particularly like 'Pilot Mountain'. Perhaps

Re[2]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, I don't know why it's hard to understand. Small number, big ap. Big number, small ap. Big ap, minimal depth of field. Small ap, maximum depth of field. It all follows along quite nicely. that's precisely the problem. In most of the rest of everyday experience we use bigger numbers to

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Even when my eyes were younger and in good condition I was never able to see 'depth of field' I always relied, and still do, on the lens distance scales. On the Kern Macro Switar 50 mm I used for 30 years these are very clear and easy to see. I picked up a P30 a moment ago with a 50 mm f1.7 and

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Dr E D F Williams
A beginner need not 'understand' f stops. When he, or she, picks up the camera and is told, and sees, that the hole becomes smaller as the number increases, that's enough. You hold a camera, adjust the stops and see the hole become smaller. After that you know, if you have any common sense at all,

Re: for sale

2002-11-25 Thread Dr E D F Williams
If the Sigma 400mm f5.6 is the _APO_ version its worth having. Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Arathi-Sridhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

Re: book ideas

2002-11-25 Thread P Temmerman
Books that were recently reocmmended to me: 'The Art of Landscape Photography' by Chris Coe, Fountain Press 'A to Z of Creative Photography' by Lee Frost, ISBN 0-7153-0681-1 'Perfect Exposure' by Roger Hicks and Frances Schultz, ISBN 0-7153-0814-9 Pat Pat Temmerman [MZ3_fella]

Mike Johnston on Pentax and a question

2002-11-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Robert Soames Wetmore wrote: Mike Johnston's Sunday Morning column is on the topic of his favorite lens - a Pentax, of course. http://www.steves-digicams.com/smp/11242002.html Interesting. Can anyone confirm that the chrome ESII is indeed scarcer than the black one? I

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Cotty wrote: How anyone would tolerate stopping the lens down to try and see what the focus is like on the foreground (say) of a poorly-lit, grainy focussing screen is beyond me. I'm afraid I am with Cotty on this one. Pentax LX with a bright screen - can't see

Re: Re[2]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Leon Altoff
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:04:48 +, Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, good story, but it's the wrong analogy. I'm not suggesting a change to the f-stop system I'm suggesting a different way of labelling lenses. That would be like changing the way you rate electrical appliances. It's all based on a system

RE: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Brigham
Yeah but if you are shooting an F1.4 or F1.8 lens, and want to check DOF at F4 or F5.6 it can be very useful! I think the key here is that is is hard to use for shots with a small aperture/wide DOF, but is very useful when working with large apertures/limited DOF. I was taking shots of the kids

Re[2]: DSLR Speculation

2002-11-25 Thread Alin Flaider
Hi Rob, People tend to forget that a vast part of a digital SLR development effort is the software. I doubt that Pentax wrote for the initial MR-52 something like a true OS with a hardware abstraction layer (HAL) that will allow them to switch to whatever underlying CCD/CMOS

Re: A 100/2.8 Macro on eBay

2002-11-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Shaun Canning Subject: RE: A 100/2.8 Macro on eBay $830.00...that is shear madness.. Nope, thats what happens when scarcity combines with quality. William Robb

Re: new to the list

2002-11-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Glen O'Neal Subject: RE: new to the list Ernst, Welcome to the list. Its nice to have you with us. Please enjoy the engaging conversation and feel free to ask questions or offer advice whenever you like. And please, don't post in html. William Robb

Re: Re[2]: DSLR Speculation

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Nov 2002 at 13:45, Alin Flaider wrote: In this light, things like chassis design look rather like a cosmetic decision. Hi Alin, I don't dispute the underlying technological design difficulties that you mentioned however it would make far more sense economically to retrofitting

Depth of field scale and apertures

2002-11-25 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I left out a comma, in my post about DOF. Sorry folks. The Sigma 50mm f2.8 has an almost non-existent depth of field scale. In the meantime I've been trying to get the aperture lever on my P30 to give me some useful information. Unfortunately, as far as I can see and that's not far, DOF pre-view

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S In a message dated 11/24/02 12:07:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could. It's another component to have fail. William Robb If it fails you have a backup I do? Oh, yes. I have a LX. Providing it is working

Re: MY GOD

2002-11-25 Thread Albano Garcia
Hi, Steph and all I agree. The list in its actual shape really sucks. We lost some valuable daily posters, and we added a really f...ng idiot. I ignored him to death, but the problem is most posters reply to his idiot posts. The best thing is to ignore him. This list is cyclic, or bipolar if you

Re[4]: DSLR Speculation

2002-11-25 Thread Alin Flaider
Rob wrote: RS I don't dispute the underlying technological design difficulties RS that you mentioned however it would make far more sense RS economically to retrofitting new electronics to an existing, RS complex and reliable electro-mechanical chassis? It would, if it was the second or

Re: MY GOD

2002-11-25 Thread Fred
We lost some valuable daily posters True. However, likely not all of the losses are due to the current problem. I ignored him to death, but the problem is most posters reply to his idiot posts. This has always been a problem here on the PDML. The best thing is to ignore him. This has

Re: What Would You Use A 28mm Soft Lens For?

2002-11-25 Thread Albano Garcia
Go to www.photocritique.net or www.photo.net and search for Alexey Tikonov. He has a pair of shots taken with that lens. All his photos are very good Regards Albano --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, A really ugly group of people. Soften' down so you can't really make out

Re[2]: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Alin Flaider
Mark wrote: MR Egad! I'd entirely forgotton that, but I also use DOF preview for that all MR the time. It's the only way to be sure you aren't getting flare in some MR conditions. Hi Mark, I'm a DOF preview fan, yet I noticed that most of time true flare on film has little to do with

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Fred
I have also been known to use the DOF preview to see approximately what the flare pattern is going to look like if I have the sun in, or close to, the frame. Good point. How often have many of us gotten back prints or slides with some flare that was a total surprise (after shooting the

Re: Some photos

2002-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After taking a break from the regularly scheduled arguments ;-), I've taken some photos and put 'em on my web page. My annual batch of fall shots are at http://www.robertstech.com/fall2002.htm Lovely photographs, Mark. Stunning colour, composition. I particularly

Re: Re[4]: DSLR Speculation

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Nov 2002 at 14:55, Alin Flaider wrote: Back to development, I can only guess that all camera components, including the software, are now designed with a reusability goal, especially if they want to keep up with the 6 months products life cycle. I'm still at a loss to

Re: A 100/2.8 Macro on eBay

2002-11-25 Thread Fred
$830.00...that is shear madness.. Nope, thats what happens when scarcity combines with quality. I sold my user specimen of this lens about two weeks ago for $350. It had perfect glass and mechanics, but it was the least pretty one that I had. (It was my first A 100/2.8 Macro, and it was my

Re: DSLR Speculation

2002-11-25 Thread Pål Jensen
Rob wrote: So how foolish are Pentax wasting all that design and engineering in the MZ-S and MZ-D? It seems that if all that we read is true, Pentax could easily have delivered a DSLR with a partial frame sensor some time ago. Instead they decide to develop a whole new chassis, where is

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Pål Jensen
Juey wrote: So when are they going to drop the focus ring from the lens? After all, that's another ring that's made redundant by automation so why bother having it on the lens? It'll be a lot cheaper to make a lens that's just a few pieces of glass encased in a barrel with no rotating

Re: Re[4]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Pål Jensen
Cameron wrote: I have yet to find a salesman who can tell me how to switch from aperture to shutter priority on an MZ-S. Paal mentioned briefly that it was easier than I had at first thought. Could anyone explain it carefully for me, as I do not own an MZ-S. Very simple. My MZ-S is now in

Small frame DSLRs, DOF, and the viewfinder..

2002-11-25 Thread gfen
You know, just a quick question, using easily rounded numbers because I'm only curious about a simple concept. I have a DSLR that has a 1.5x effecct on focal length. That means my 100mm lens functions as a 150mm lens, however, when I look through the viewfinder, am I seeing the angle of view and

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Christian Skofteland
I've kept silent long enough I use DOF preview all the time for a few subjects: Plants and flower close-ups. Judging the background out-of-focusness in relation to subject depth of sharpness is easy for me. True, I'm not using really small apertures. I rarely use the preview above f8

Re: Mike Johnston on Pentax and a question

2002-11-25 Thread Mike Ignatiev
What a nonsense! Maybe not as smooth as Ks and Ms (and my A24 and K24 are *almost* equally smooth -- if there is a difference, it's too subtle to matter), I still find the build quality of As pretty high by any standard. The A lens with its typical, tacky 1970s design style is pretty

Re: for sale

2002-11-25 Thread andre
Sorry. Was meant to be sent off-list. And... the 100mm is damaged, hence the price... Andre --

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Leonard Paris
I would hope that they will never drop the focus or aperture rings from Pentax lenses. Right now I enjoy being able to use my new lenses on older manual focus bodies, not just on my PZ-1p. I can, however, see the possibility of them doing that some years down the road when they decide to

Re: 50/1.2 (was Re: Depth of Field Preview)

2002-11-25 Thread andre
Eh... The actual f-stop difference is almost 1/2 stop -- it's not all that subtle. And it was in pretty dim environment (my apt. in the evening). I can buy that the image brightness diff can be not that obvious at all. What I was really surprised, is that DOF was the same as well! Now I

RE: Small frame DSLRs, DOF, and the viewfinder..

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Brigham
I THINK that you will be seeing the magnification and the 'perspective' of the 100mm lens, but not the angle of view. Most DSLRs mask off the bits where the full frame image is cropped, some show it with a line marking where the crop happens and call it a 'sports finder'. Unless they redisign

RE: Re[2]: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Len Paris
Yes I know that. The bit of info I forgot to mention is that, when I'm working, I use a Stroboframe, which pretty well occupies my left hand. Using one is so much a part of my shooting style that I tend to not think of it at all. That and the fact that I'm getting old, I guess. The PZ-1p really

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Fred
My feelings: DOF preview is a great tool for certain subjects and completely unnecessary for others. Why do we need to be for or against it in its entirety? Agreed. However, because of its usefulness to me (under some circumstances, I would argue in favor of its ~presence~, in its entirety,

Re: 50/1.2 (was Re: Depth of Field Preview)

2002-11-25 Thread Anton Browne
I think you mean that you couldn't see any difference in depth of field. Not brightness - am I correct? I doubt that you'd notice any difference in depth of field between 1.4 1.2 in camera on the focussing screen. You'd have to do a test, close focus on something and shoot at both apertures

RE: Small frame DSLRs, DOF, and the viewfinder..

2002-11-25 Thread gfen
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Rob Brigham wrote: I THINK that you will be seeing the magnification and the 'perspective' of the 100mm lens, but not the angle of view. Most DSLRs mask off the bits where the full frame image is cropped, some show it with a line marking where the crop happens and call it

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Dr E D F Williams
That's simply nit picking. But you missed my point entirely: I said it was _not_ necessary to understand ... Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 11/25/2002 11:57:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dr E D F Williams a écrit: A beginner need not 'understand' f stops ...To learn that f22 is smaller than f2 takes a minute or two. You are told To understand well it is necessary to

Re: 50/1.2 (was Re: Depth of Field Preview)

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Whaley
Anton Browne wrote: I think you mean that you couldn't see any difference in depth of field. Not brightness - am I correct? Yes. Center your attention on the word see. Neither will be obvious to the human eye, under 'normal' conditions ~ only to a sensitive film! I doubt that you'd notice

Small frame DSLRs, DOF, and the viewfinder..

2002-11-25 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a DSLR that has a 1.5x effecct on focal length. That means my 100mm lens functions as a 150mm lens, however, when I look through the viewfinder, am I seeing the angle of view and magnification of a 100mm lens or a 150mm lens? That's all.

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Cotty
Thanks for your views Christian. My feelings: DOF preview is a great tool for certain subjects and completely unnecessary for others. Why do we need to be for or against it in its entirety? As I was the originator of this thread, I simply wanted to learn from those who do use DOF preview,

Pentax's December warehouse sale

2002-11-25 Thread Peter Popp
Hi all. Pentax usually has a warehouse sale at their US headquarters in Englewood, Colorado every December. They clear out old stock, warranty returns, factory refurbs, etc. I haven't received a notice of it in the mail yet for this year. Has anyone else received a notice, or know when it

Vs: Re[4]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Yeah, isn´t it great how progress is progressing. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 24. marraskuuta 2002 22:40 Aihe:

Vs: Re[4]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Raimo Korhonen
You need to go from aperture priority to program by setting the lens to A and then turning the control dial to get shutter priority. Two movements, not excessive IMO. Back to program by pushing the green button. I do not regret selling my LX (and selling my 1.4/50 M). All the best! Raimo

Re[4]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, you've misunderstood. I'm not suggesting any changes to the laws of physics. I'm suggesting a simpler user interface to the laws of physics, eg: Label f-stop 1 90 2 64 3 45 4 32 5 22 6 16 7 11 8 8 9 5.6 10 4 11 2.8 12 2

Re[2]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, When you want to rename what the various stops are called, you're obfuscating the reality of it. Well, I don't want to change what the stops are called, I just want to change the ways lenses are labelled, and I've even posted a suggestion in another reply. Although I wouldn't call it

Re: What was dobo saying a year ago...and what he's saying now to this group.

2002-11-25 Thread Lon Williamson
I've had it with Bubba Dobo. Kill filter, first ever. Not even the Who did this to me. And MY two cents, Braddie Bubby: You're probably young so some is forgivable. But to have the persistance to stir your particular mud months after it should have been obvious to you that this is the wrong

Re[2]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, To learn that f22 is smaller than f2 takes a minute or two. You are told and you see for yourself. If you can't do that then I respectfully suggest that you forget about photography as a hobby. Sounds great, but in practice that's not what happens. In practice people get confused because

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Lon Williamson
I must be nuts. It seems to me, once the shutter was electronically controlled, you could shift shutter speed by moving the aperature ring. Coincidentally, you can _also_ control aperature that way. One hand on the ap ring, one hand on the shutter. This was THE big step up from fully manual

MX vs. KX?

2002-11-25 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Yes, please. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 25. marraskuuta 2002 21:50 Aihe: Re: Why I won't be buying an

Re: Re[4]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 11/25/2002 3:01:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, you've misunderstood. I'm not suggesting any changes to the laws of physics. I'm suggesting a simpler user interface to the laws of physics, eg: Label f-stop 1 90 2 64 3

Re: 50/1.2 (was Re: Depth of Field Preview)

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Larson
Mishka, You might not see the difference, but it is there. Take the 50/1.2 off the camera and look into it while you change the aperture from 1.4 to 1.2, quite the difference eh? That extra light it lets in at 1.2 will really help you to focus in dim light, not to mention the make or break

Re: Re[4]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Anyone who can't learn about f stops in five minutes should take up another hobby. Its possible for a child to understand this concept. This post has become so silly I'm going to give up now. What a lot of you know what. Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's

Re: MY GOD

2002-11-25 Thread Frits Wüthrich
The best thing is to ignore him. This has always been the most effective solution (although some of us have been slow to learn...). How much effort is it really to create a filter. But it goes on and on because of all the people who have this urgent need to respond. Don't ignore him, create

Re[6]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, well cheerio then! If you ever design any user interfaces be sure and let me know - then I can avoid them. As Raimo would cheerily say: All the best! Bob Monday, November 25, 2002, 9:42:48 PM, you wrote: Anyone who can't learn about f stops in five minutes should take up another hobby.

Aperture values (was: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread John Coyle
Does anyone else remember the days in the 50's and 60's when many cameras and exposure meters had EV scales printed on them, so that you could, for example, dial in a higher shutter speed and then just turn the aperture ring until you got the same EV number lined up as the meter indicated? No

Nice articel in Luminous Landscape about Pentax lenses and cameras

2002-11-25 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
Hallo don't argue anymore about a Av wheel at the body or not, just enjoy the following artikel about Pentax lenses and cameras. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-02-11-24.shtml Regards Rüdiger

RE: Re[6]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread tom
I'm with Bob on this. Then again, I'm with Bob on most things. tv -Original Message- From: Bob Walkden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: Dr E D F Williams Subject: Re[6]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S Hi, well cheerio then! If you ever

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Lon Williamson
Lets say you stack a few filters on a new-to-you lens AND you have a finder with about 95% view. Stopping down may let you see vignetting. Use DOF. Want to know how ghosts or flare look at the TAKING aperature? Use DOF. Want to stack a 50 on a 200 for gonzo closeups and check vingnetting? use

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Lon Williamson
I count 4: Focus Shutter speed Aperature Focus ring. Which isn't necessary? Or mebbe exposure takes care of shutter aperature. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden Subject: Re: Re[2]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S How

Re: Aperture values (was: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, And of course, the problem of the changeover period, when all of the old equipment would have inconsistencies with newly produced gear, would last for a very long time, and cause great confusion! well, there's the rub. It would have as much chance of success as attempts to change the

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Monday 25 November 2002 17:40, Lon Williamson wrote: Lets say you stack a few filters on a new-to-you lens AND you have a finder with about 95% view. Stopping down may let you see vignetting. Use DOF. AH, YES! I forgot this one. I test out stacked lenses for vignetting with DOF preview

Re[8]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, I would expect a great many allies in a mailing list dedicated to lost causes g! --- Bob Monday, November 25, 2002, 10:17:48 PM, you wrote: I'm with Bob on this. Then again, I'm with Bob on most things. tv

Re: F-stops - was: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread frank theriault
I don't want to prolong an already overly long thread, but here goes anyway: g Now, you really have me confused, Bob! I have a 3.8 lens - what's that going to be, about an 11.8 under your system? I guess that's not really the problem, because once you get used to it, they're just numbers... I

Re: 50/1.2 (was Re: Depth of Field Preview)

2002-11-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mike Ignatiev Subject: 50/1.2 (was Re: Depth of Field Preview) Speaking of DOF preview. Playing with my newly acquired 50/1.2, I tried to compare (naturally) how much difference f/1.2 makes wrt f/1.4. To my surprice, it was NONE. Absolutely whatsoever none! I

Re[2]: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Having a focusing helicoid only encourages laziness. People should focus with their feet! --- Bob (Disclaimer: this is a joke!) Monday, November 25, 2002, 10:41:46 PM, you wrote: I count 4: Focus Shutter speed Aperature Focus ring. Which isn't

Re: MY GOD

2002-11-25 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Albano, I threatened to leave the list a couple of weekends ago, and came back after a day or so, without actually un-subscribing. (Of course, maybe I wasn't one of the valuable daily posters you referred to! g) For me it was the sheer volume and waste of time and silliness of things that

Why I Don't Care

2002-11-25 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Because it's just an old-fashioned film camera. Do you see the change? 2 years ago we argued old-fashioned manual vs. modern auto-focus. (It still happens on occasion.) Now, it's old-fashioned film vs. modern digital. (and getting more common). I'll probably go digi in 2 years, when 6mp-10mp

Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Lon Williamson Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S I count 4: Focus Shutter speed Aperature Focus ring. Which isn't necessary? Or mebbe exposure takes care of shutter aperature. Mebbe you should consider that focus (that act of focusing) as

Aperture values (was: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Pat White
It surprises me that so many people seem to feel that the concept of f-stops is so intellectually challenging. Shotgun users easily understand that 20-gauge shells are smaller than 12-gauge, electricians easily understand that 18-gauge wire is much smaller than 14-gauge. It's not that difficult.

RE: Why I Don't Care

2002-11-25 Thread Bucky
Sorry, Collin, that appears to be extremely unlikely. Concentrating on shooting would eliminate the need for the chest-pounding, self-aggrandizement and one-upmanship that is the apparent reason this list exists. Who's a pro? What's a pro camera? I unsubbed over a year ago and just came back a

RE: Mike Johnston on Pentax and a question

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Nov 2002 at 19:29, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I disagree, NONE of my K,M, or A lenses have as high a build quality or feel as the Super-Takumar or Super-Multi-Coated-Takumars which Mike is raving. Hi John, I have 10 Pentax/Tak 50-55mm lenses in my possession at the moment and I certainly

Re: Mike Johnston on Pentax and a question

2002-11-25 Thread Paul Jones
I've played with quite a few lenses and nothing feels as nice to focus as a screw mount 50/1.4 :) - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Mike Johnston on Pentax and a question -

Re: Depth of Field Preview (was: Re: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Nov 2002 at 17:40, Lon Williamson wrote: Lets say you stack a few filters on a new-to-you lens AND you have a finder with about 95% view. Stopping down may let you see vignetting. Use DOF. Want to know how ghosts or flare look at the TAKING aperature? Use DOF. Want to stack a 50

Wind shutter speed

2002-11-25 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
Title: Wind shutter speed Hi, Recently I was took some photos in Vermont, it was medium windy when I took the photos. Landscape photos.. I shot, moutain tops with Pentax FA 100/2.8 Macro. The trees are not as sharp as I expected. I think the reason could be, the wind on the

Dodgy Coloured Grass with Reala?

2002-11-25 Thread Paul Jones
Hi, When I shoot colour neg I usually shoot Reala, but I've noticed that I quite often get fluorescent green grass? This is from mini lab prints at different labs and from my own scans of the negs. Has any one else noticed this? Its just looks really unnatural and wrong. Thanks, Paul

Re: photo-essentials

2002-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Nov 2002 at 15:13, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Nah - Wheatfield's right, just three 1) a means to focus 2) a way to set an aperture 3) a way to set a shutter speed I'd say a means to initiate the exposure is a pretty necessary control, it's a long time since photographers has

Re: Aperture values (was: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S)

2002-11-25 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:01:49 +1000, John Coyle wrote: f1.4 = .7142857, or 71 for simplicity Actually, these are all based on the square root of two, so f/1.4 is really f/1.4142... and the multiplicative inverse is 0.7071... doesn't change your shortened numbers, but I like accuracy. ;-) TTYL,

Re: Depth of Field Preview

2002-11-25 Thread Doug Franklin
Hi William, On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:50:04 -0600, William Robb wrote: Yes, depth of field preview only works for gross differences in DOF. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but can we get a bit quantitative about this? Based on the comments (yours and others) about the DOF difference

Re: Dodgy Coloured Grass with Reala?

2002-11-25 Thread Michael Cross
Paul, I agree with your assessment. I don't like the way Reala handles greens. They don't look natural to me either. Michael Cross Paul Jones wrote: Hi, When I shoot colour neg I usually shoot Reala, but I've noticed that I quite often get fluorescent green grass? This is from mini lab

Re: Dodgy Coloured Grass with Reala?

2002-11-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
Paul, Now I need to go back and look at some of my Reala shots and see if I notice anything like that. I'll let you know what I find. Bruce Monday, November 25, 2002, 5:13:31 PM, you wrote: PJ Hi, PJ When I shoot colour neg I usually shoot Reala, but I've noticed that I quite PJ often get

Re: Wind shutter speed

2002-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Assuming your tripod is sufficiently sturdy (I'm not personally familiar with the Slik model you mentioned), it sounds like the wind and the long shutter speed were definitely responsible for the blurring you observed. Going to a faster film, like ISO 200 as you suggested, may not be the whole

A 100/2.8 Macro on eBay

2002-11-25 Thread Butch Black
Whew! It just went for $830.00. And The aperture blades are opening a little slow. It makes me feel even better about the K-1000 with a M 100/4.0 macro I got off e-bay for $160. How much better is the A 100/2.8 macro over the M 100/4.0 ? BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to

RE: A 100/2.8 Macro on eBay

2002-11-25 Thread Shaun Canning
There was an FA* 200mm f4.0 macro on e-bay recently that 830.00 would have just about bought, and an A* not long ago for the same money. I know that everyone has there favourite lenses, but surely the 200's represent better value in that sort of price range than a really expensive (albeit high

Re: A 100/2.8 Macro on eBay

2002-11-25 Thread Chris Brogden
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Butch Black wrote: How much better is the A 100/2.8 macro over the M 100/4.0 ? Well, it's a stop faster, has the A setting, and does 1:1 instead of 1:2. I'm very happy with the results from my M100/4, and I've never tried the A100/2.89, so I can't comment on image quality.

RE: Wind shutter speed

2002-11-25 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
Slik700DX is pro model and sturdy tripod. I use polarizer only if it is enhancing the photo. May be I should sacrifice some DOF and go for high shutter speed. I think, I was shooting at f/16 f/22. If I use 200 shoot at f/8; I may get slightly more high speed. Thanks for responding. Ramesh

Re: Wind shutter speed

2002-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Nagaraj, Ramesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slik700DX is pro model and sturdy tripod. I use polarizer only if it is enhancing the photo. May be I should sacrifice some DOF and go for high shutter speed. I think, I was shooting at f/16 f/22. If I use 200 shoot at f/8; I may get slightly more high

Re: Wind shutter speed

2002-11-25 Thread Ken Archer
And at f:8 or 11 you will be using the sharpest part of the lens in many cases. Ken On Tuesday 26 November 2002 02:19 am, Nagaraj, Ramesh wrote: If I use 200 shoot at f/8; I may get slightly more high speed. -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs

Re: Why I Don't Care

2002-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Bucky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen very few pictures that would benefit from better hardware more than from better shooting. Amen to that! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Dodgy Coloured Grass with Reala?

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Scott
On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Paul Jones wrote: Hi, When I shoot colour neg I usually shoot Reala, but I've noticed that I quite often get fluorescent green grass? This is from mini lab prints at different labs and from my own scans of the negs. Has any one else noticed this?

Re: F-stops - was: Why I won't be buying an MZ-S

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Scott
Let's all just agree to hold up fingers to represent f stops. No, wait a minute, that won't work. Ok, all you guys can put _that_ finger back down. g We'll just stick with the standard nomenclature for the time being, then. Dan Scott (I believe it is confusing to newbies, but then again, so

Re: Wind shutter speed

2002-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Nagaraj, Ramesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been avoiding pushing; may be I should go for it. Definitely worth trying for one roll to see how it works for you. Use good, pro film, though. Fuji Provia 100, Kodak E100S, E100SW, E100VS are the ones I can vouch for. -- Mark Roberts Photography

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