Tom wrote:
As said earlier, the 645D would be a niche product, at too high a price
point for most, and for the majority of us on the list, at least, would
require the additonal purchase of a bunch of lenses.
Sure, but the same could be said about the top Canon and Nikon models as well.
Pål says he doesn't have and isn't interested in any current Pentax DSLR.
he's probably in line for the 645D.
Herb
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Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall
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From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%
My point is that Pentax has had ALOT of time to produce and compete and is
obviously a slow performer in turning out new products that are not simply
variations on a theme,and downgrades at that. His
On Jul 21, 2005, at 11:34 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Or take multiple shots and get some panorama stitching software.
And ist-D with a 31mm Limited can produce some *amazing* 20 megapixel
shots ;-)
That's one way of doing it, I suppose. Certainly cheaper than a good
medium format film
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From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%
According to Pentax the *ist name is reserved (thank God) for what they
consider entry level; typically ones first dslr. If they are to be
believed high-end bodies will not have that stupid name. Lets hope
Herb wrote:
lots of people who bought a *istD said it was good enough, for now. it's
almost two years since then and what was good enough then isn't good enough
now. it won't be good enough until none of my lenses can resolve what the
camera's sensor is capable of capturing. i'm willing
On 21 Jul 2005 at 20:42, Joaquim Carvalho wrote:
Won't the 645 Digital high end enough?
http://www.livingroom.org.au/photolog/reviews/pentax/pentax_645_digital.php
...and it doesn't look larger than a film 645 Has anyone been to the Photo
Imaging Expo and tried it?
Any pictures of the 645D
Herb wrote:
Pål says he doesn't have and isn't interested in any current Pentax DSLR.
he's probably in line for the 645D.
I'm in line for any Pentax DSLR that I can afford and that appeal to me;
K-mount or MF. In the mean time I have perfectly working Pentax MF and K-mount
film system
On 7/21/05 6:47 PM, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All the above is based on facts with some speculation thrown in
I think that's pretty much the true story. I also heard from Pentax that FA
lenses (at least some of them) were initially designed as water proof (or
splash proof,
not to mention that 18MP will entry level MF digital if it ships when they
say it does, and it would be only marginally better than the current top of
the line Canon. the 1Ds lasted two years almost exactly before it was
replaced by the 1Ds Mk2. what do you think the odds are that in September,
My favourite gallery here in Toronto, the Stephen Bulger Gallery, is
currently showing an Andre Kertesz exhibit. Apparently it includes
several contact sheets, along with many photos. I hope to get into
see it on Saturday (full report to follow).
In preparation of this exciting event, I had a
On 22 Jul 2005 at 0:24, Pål Jensen wrote:
For the same reason as many switched from 35mm to medium format. From reading
the various MF forums it seems to me that most Pentax 645 owners comes from
Canon EOS; mostly the 1n or 1v. It may be argued that an 18mp MF based DSLR
doesn't offer enough
I don't know what demosaicing is, but here's what I do know: The pic made
with the istD and the 18mm lens was shot using the highest quality JPEG set
at whatever the normal settings are for contrast, sharpness, and
saturation, and received no further processing afterwards other than to be
On 7/21/05, Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heading to Wisconsin tomorrow.
My grandmother passed away. Funeral Sat.
Chat later. Bye.
Sincerely,
Collin
I'm sorry to hear that, Collin. My condolences to you and your family.
regards,
frank
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E.R.N. Reed wrote:
Cotty wrote:
On 21/7/05, Pål Jensen, discombobulated, unleashed:
Huh? I've no interest in entry level cameras
The *ist D is an entry level camera?
Strange but true.
Well it was Pentax's entry-level DSLR when it was introduced, that's for
sure.
(Also its
rollei and hasselblad used to think otherwise. of course,
it was their mistake :)
mishka
On 7/21/05, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Herb wrote:
hundreds of thousands vs millions.
The millions of lenses are entry level plastic zoom lenses of questionable
quality. The MF lenses
continuing to lose money in the imaging products division means that someone
is going to fold the tent on them.
Herb
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To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%
On 7/21/05, Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's easy just un-slim him and then reduce the image size. :)
It may be a really stupid filter, but it is versatile.
Powell
Couldn't you just tip the camera sideways? Then a slimming filter
would become a shortening filter?
Or
Pål Jensen wrote:
Cotty:
The *ist D is an entry level camera?
Strange but true.
Yes. When the original *istD was released it was as cheap as they
came. It is an entry level DSLR even if it costed Nikon F5 money! As
this was Pentax first and only DSLR it had to try to please all.
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%
Kodak makes more money on dye sub consumables.
See, my comprehension is miniscule
William Robb
These guys aren't happy either:
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00CxAo
:-)
On 7/21/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/geek1.html
Just a little snap taken one afternoon in San Francisco.
Details: Leica M3 w 50mm 'cron, Ilford HP5+ (Have since decided I HATE that
film!)
Shel
Hee hee! Love it, Shel. Great
Hey all
A guy who just purchased a Canon xt rebel (350D) asked in
news:dk.fritid.foto if his new dslr should make a rattling noise when he
moved it around or it was brooken. All the owner (thats a lot) answered that
that's normal its the built-in flash which make the noise.
Canon must have
The left is the RAW one, the right one is the same but
with a -3 EV exposure comp in RAW Converter. Obviously
the right pic is unusable, but if you want you can
take the upper part of right and mix it with left to
have detail in all the frame. My point was: if left
one were shot in jpg, it would
On 21 Jul 2005 at 16:34, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I don't know what demosaicing is, but here's what I do know: The pic made
with the istD and the 18mm lens was shot using the highest quality JPEG set at
whatever the normal settings are for contrast, sharpness, and saturation, and
received no
Canon is on a 2 year replacement cycle for the top of the line and a less
than 1 year cycle on the bottom.
Herb
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From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%
A two
You got me right, Paul. Thanks
--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't speak for Albano of course, but I think
these images are just
meant to show how the detail in the apparently
burned out river at the
top of the frame can be pulled out in conversion.
On Jul 21, 2005, at
someone here picked up a *istDL and wasn't impressed either, compared to the
DS or the D.
Herb
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From: Jorn Ostergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%
A guy who just
On 22 Jul 2005 at 1:33, Pål Jensen wrote:
These guys aren't happy either:
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00CxAo
Who could blame them when Canon is the reference. The Mitsubishi company is
still in a fairly vulnerable state at the moment too.
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE
On 21 Jul 2005 at 15:30, Albano Garcia wrote:
Hi gang,
I always shoot in RAW, and appreciate the benefits,
but today I was surprised to find how capable is this
format.
I shot this photo, the left version is the way the
capera exposed it. If it were a JPG, no hope to
restore detail in the
Interesting Albano,
but I think the real comparison to be made is with two identical images, one
RAW and one hi res jpeg and optimize each one.
Thanks for posting this.
Kenneth Waller
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From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Amazing capability of RAW
Hi
Kenny likes it krnaf.
I like the body postures and the attention you got from the two male riders
and the total lack (cold shoulder) you got from the female.
Kenneth Waller
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July
the whole industry has been saying that there is a small time window left
before everything freezes because the market becomes saturated. it will
happen this year for the total digital camera market, and no later than the
end of next year for the DSLR market. after then, if you aren't making
Hi Rob ...
The original thread went off on DoF. As you said, the original issue was
whether or not there was any difference in AOV or perspective. All else
was irrelevant to me when first posting the question, and, while the DoF
issue may be of some interest to some people here, it's not to me.
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
Link posted weekly (if I remember).
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On 7/21/05 7:39 PM, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A two year announcement to production cycle in this market means they will
definitely lose many potential sales, it's just too slow.
Yes, Pentax has been slow, and that is their most sin. Technically, they
have everything needed to
Yes, it is amazing.
RAW is the main reason I wanted the Oly C-5050 even with that PS there it works
great. The fact you can upsize your images in 16bit mode is great. I can get 19mp x
10bit (the CCD bitdepth) files from a PS. RAW files give a lot of control back to
the photographer.
Hey All
Does the *ist DL also make strange sounds so the owners thinks something is
loose inside it, sending it to repair because they think its brooken ?
/Jorn
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From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:53 AM
Got this old Gitzo Gilux Reporter at an estate
auction not long ago, and I'd like to get an
appropriate head for it. Everyone I've talked to so
far seems to insist I should get a ball head. But what
kind? I'm on a bit of a budget, so the cheaper the
better - but I don't want a piece of crap. Top
Dave as nice as an Alaskan cruise might be, You'll miss alot of the variety
that is Alaska.
I've done an Alaskan cruise on an Alaskan Marine Highway boat up the
inside passage from Seattle to Skagway. You can get off at any stop and get
on another boat, headed in the same direction, at a later
Nice Frank. I see you got Simone's good side. Wf!
On Jul 21, 2005, at 7:03 PM, frank theriault wrote:
Team La Carrera/Jet Fuel, a few minutes before the first heat at CMWC:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3561763size=lg
From left to right: Simone from Toronto, Stevie (aka
Hey, I've been shooting in RAW for months, since I got
my first digital, and I'm a RAW Preacher, teaching
everybody I know about the benefits.
In fact I bought my digicam (Fuji S5000) because it
was the only one in my budget with raw capability
(plus some more extras, like a good lens and
This could be great to do, Kenneth. Maybe sometime in
the near future...
Regards
Albano
--- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting Albano,
but I think the real comparison to be made is with
two identical images, one
RAW and one hi res jpeg and optimize each one.
Thanks for
On 7/21/05 7:51 PM, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a less
than 1 year cycle on the bottom.
Much shorter than that. Is it really necessary? I do not know.
Ken
On 7/21/05 7:53 PM, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
someone here picked up a *istDL and wasn't impressed either, compared to the
DS or the D.
I understand that it started doing what is is supposed to do. Penetrating
into the price conscious market, just like D50 is intended for. Hope
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:18:01PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Rob ...
The original thread went off on DoF. As you said, the original issue was
whether or not there was any difference in AOV or perspective. All else
was irrelevant to me when first posting the question, and, while the
Mike,
We'll be traveling down from Edinburgh to Brampton on Hadrian's Wall
near the end of August, then across to Ambleside for four days then across
to York for a couple of days. In all of this we probably come fairly close.
Send me your contact details off list and we'll pop in if we
On 21 Jul 2005 at 20:07, Kenneth Waller wrote:
Interesting Albano,
but I think the real comparison to be made is with two identical images, one
RAW
and one hi res jpeg and optimize each one. Thanks for posting this.
I'd not hesitate to suggest that shooting in RAW virtually always leads to
A. Focus screen optimized for brightness rather than accuracy.
B. Focus on the lens loose so the AF motor does not have to be too big, rather
than optimized for smoothness and accuracy by hand.
C. Viewfinder image of low magnification.
And yes, I know that the newer cameras are a lot better than
Wow, a cool example, Rob.
I would love to have CA profile for my 10x Fuji zoom
:-)
Regards
Albano
--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 21 Jul 2005 at 20:07, Kenneth Waller wrote:
Interesting Albano,
but I think the real comparison to be made is with
two identical images, one
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From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Long term plans?
These guys aren't happy either:
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00CxAo
:-)
That's funny.
William Robb
prices are holding relatively steady for DSLRs, but there only about a year
left.
Herb
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From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%
Incidentally, a
it sure is.
kinda what we use politics on this list for.
fun, fun, fun...
mishka
On 7/21/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's funny.
William Robb
digital lens seems to eliminate the bystanders from the frame.
very cool (and useful) feature (unless you are doing street photography...)
best,
mishka
On 7/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep. That was predictable. Virtually the same perspective. More DOF from the
18 and
Nikon is at least making money. Leica Camera is having a rougher time of it.
at the moment, the recapitalization plan is still tied up in lawsuits. 4 out
of 5 apparently are willing to settle, but the 5th isn't. if Leica formally
has to declare bankruptcy, it's going to be very rough. even
it would be also very useful to drive the point and measure to see
whether the sum of squares of legs is equal to the square of hypotenuse.
then we can have a serious discussion whether metric system makes a
significant difference.
mishka
On 7/21/05, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
On 7/21/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice Frank. I see you got Simone's good side. Wf!
Better watch it, Paul, Simone will beat the crap outta any guy who
gets on her wrong side.
Or, she'll get her girlfriend to beat you up. LOL
Nice girl, though... vbg
Thanks for the
On 7/21/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kenny likes it krnaf.
I like the body postures and the attention you got from the two male riders
and the total lack (cold shoulder) you got from the female.
Ah yes. Frank getting the cold shoulder from a female. Now ~there's~
a new
On 7/21/05, Dave Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're generally the type of traveller to minimize the plans before we
arrive. That way we can spend more time in an interesting place and
less in less interesting area.
That said, in this case we have some family committments (my wife's
On 7/21/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Frank, I chose to reply to your comment rather than to original Tim's
posting...
You're allowed. vbg
Fascinating, truly fascinating. I really hate the light source on the
background. It is so big and so strong that it grabs my
On 7/21/05, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just returned from the cool coast. Wonderful relief
from the central valley heat.
Attempt at a decent Redwood 'shot' was a 'fizzle'.
Am lukewarm anxious to see a couple drive-by shots. I
do no hiking. I do turn off the engine to cut down
the
On 7/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was going to save this for the weekend, but i will be at a 2 day show,
so
Here is another IR shot.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=viewcurrent=GFM_TREE.jpg
Taken at the swing bridge. This dead tree
On 7/21/05, Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susan put up a mini gallery from the recent PDML meet:
I started a gallery !! No telling where this will lead. Soon fame and
fortune may follow.
Tom, here's the URL. I'm sending it to Rick but I don't know how to
show the others who were
Who's going?
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
--
You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
Tom Reese wrote:
Pål Jensen wrote:
According to Pentax the *ist name is reserved (thank God)
for what they consider entry level; typically ones first dslr.
If they are to be believed high-end bodies will not have that
stupid name. Lets hope they don't invent something even more stupid.
keithw wrote:
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
Cotty wrote:
On 21/7/05, Pål Jensen, discombobulated, unleashed:
Huh? I've no interest in entry level cameras
The *ist D is an entry level camera?
Strange but true.
Well it was Pentax's entry-level DSLR when it was introduced, that's
for
Thanks, Frank.
I haven't the slightest Idea what the story is, but
there's a good possibility it's the residue of a
personal /or financial failure.
My contrived story is an obvious result of viewing the
tattered half staff flag as mourning a loss.
Had the wind not been holding the flag open, I
Who's going?
I'll be there. I always try to make this event.
Charles
I like it, Shel. Composition and tonality really agree with me.
Plus, the expression on the geek's face is priceless considering the
setting.
What don't you like about HP5?
On 7/21/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/geek1.html
Just a little
I don't like the grain structure with HP5+ compared with TX and the three
different developers I've used it with. Tonality doesn't seem to be as
smooth as TX. Doesn't seem to have the flexibility wrt push/pull -
although that's not a big deal as I rarely push - somewhat shorter range
for
Hi!
From a late afternoon walk around a nearby pond:
http://www.hemenway.com/HornPond-Summer2005/
Pentax isDS
Jim, where is it? I mean geographically...
What I should say about the pond images themselves is that I would
really like to find a place such as this and spend day after day
At 9:51 PM -0400 7/21/05, Mishka wrote:
digital lens seems to eliminate the bystanders from the frame.
very cool (and useful) feature (unless you are doing street photography...)
best,
mishka
I was beginning to think that I was the only one who had noticed this, Mishka!
--
Alan P. Hayes
One of a couple of snaps from this scenario:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/urban1.html
K-body, K28/3.5, Reala ...
Shel
It looks like Mom caught you in action. Nice weather for a picnic.
I like the geometric shapes in this photo: the circles at the top, squares in
the baby stroller, and then the brick work at the bottom.
Pat in SF
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of a couple of snaps from this
On Jul 21, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Graywolf wrote:
A. Focus screen optimized for brightness rather than accuracy.
That's true of the Canon 10D screen, but not of the Pentax *ist DS
screen.
B. Focus on the lens loose so the AF motor does not have to be too
big, rather than optimized for
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