Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Bong Manayon
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:18 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect that it as far as industrial design students go, it could be a toaster and it would get attention because of who designed it. My, never has a Pentax generated such varied reactions. Funny you should

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Underpaid N. Overpentaxed
Mark! 2012/2/3 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: Look, Stan, if you're just going to be reasonable I'm going to have to go over to the Pentax Forums for entertainment. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: PESO -- Classic

2012-02-03 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/2/2012 8:27 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, I'd forgotten how ugly some cars were in the seventies. The Nova really hasn't stood the test of time, has it? That particular Nova hasn't anyway. And to think I used to think it a good looking car. What was I thinking? Nice pic.

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
BH has it for pre-order. Good product images and specs for those interested. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Underpaid N. Overpentaxed overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote: Mark! 2012/2/3 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: Look, Stan, if you're just going to be reasonable I'm going to have to

Re: K-5 and multi exposure ??

2012-02-03 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:06 AM, David J Brooks wrote: If i set my camera for long exposure, say 30 with the 12 timer on, and set multi exposure to 2 or 3 will the camera stay in multi until all 3 shots are taken or will it

Re: Beer

2012-02-03 Thread David J Brooks
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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: I think the main issue for most is that we were hoping for something perceptibly above a K-5, i.e., a new flagship, or barring that, a mirror-less body that still had some significant compelling features above a K-5. That does not

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Bruce Walker
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote: My, never has a Pentax generated such varied reactions. In my books, this is a good thing. We can only hope that at least some of the reaction and talk is happening in the general population. K-01 specifics aside, Pentax

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/02/2012 2:40 AM, Bong Manayon wrote: So the design people are excited about it, maybe they are the intended market--not us, in the same way the multi-colored K-x/K-r opened the Hello Kitty crowd to DSLRs. The Kx/Kr were designed by camera designers, no amount of marketing hype could

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: On 03/02/2012 2:40 AM, Bong Manayon wrote: So the design people are excited about it, maybe they are the intended market--not us, in the same way the multi-colored K-x/K-r opened the Hello Kitty crowd to DSLRs. The Kx/Kr were designed by camera designers, no amount of

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: On 03/02/2012 2:40 AM, Bong Manayon wrote: So the design people are excited about it, maybe they are the intended market--not us, in the same way the multi-colored K-x/K-r opened the Hello Kitty crowd to DSLRs. The

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread p. j. alling
That may be true. However even cameras not aimed at us should be an interesting option. Hell most pros from the film era didn't use a one of the professional 35mm cameras, and even the lowliest member of a systems line could be used as a second body. I don't see this being a viable backup to a

Re: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread Rick Womer
John, I like the overall image best; there is a lot that is interesting in it (the architectural context, for one thing) that is lost in the smaller pix.  A lot of image quality also goes overboard in the smaller ones. I much =dislike= the forced flash slideshow. Rick  

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/02/2012 8:45 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: There's no *need* to change that: It's perfect for the market segment the K-01 is targeted at (which ain't us). Sadly though, take the cutesy signature off the bottom plate and you are left with a mirrorless camera that mounts nothing but K-mount

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
Pentax sold a bunch of Kx's in Japan by making them in wild colors and blister packs. Oly made a bunch of money with their retro designs and admitted that the new e-PM1 was aimed at women who wanted a fashionable camera. Given the that ultimate goal of Ricoh-Pentax is to make money not cameras,

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: On 03/02/2012 8:45 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: There's no *need* to change that: It's perfect for the market segment the K-01 is targeted at (which ain't us). Sadly though, take the cutesy signature off the bottom plate and you are left with a mirrorless camera that mounts

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/02/2012 9:44 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Pentax may have made a really good choice here. Or maybe not - time will tell. But they probably didn't have the financial resources to do anything else. Yeah, a viewfinder was beyond them. Really, that's all this thing is missing. That and

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: On 03/02/2012 9:44 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Pentax may have made a really good choice here. Or maybe not - time will tell. But they probably didn't have the financial resources to do anything else. Yeah, a viewfinder was beyond them. Really, that's all this thing is

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 07:45 Mark Roberts wrote There's no *need* to change that: It's perfect for the market segment the K-01 is targeted at (which ain't us). i dream of a world with lots of design and no target markets -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Peso triple sphere

2012-02-03 Thread David J Brooks
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15103972 This should have been a multi exposure shot, but i failed to move the curser up to the 'start shooting' command so all i did was get a bunch of single shots. I did shoot DNG/Jpeg but my PSCS dies not recognize the DNG file so i just used layers and

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/02/2012 10:12 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I'm not in the target demographic but it'll be interesting to see if they like the looks of it. (I could be really cynical here and suggest that simply having a designer associated with the product is as important to these prospective buyers as

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 08:44 Mark Roberts wrote I don't think that's important to the target audience for the K-01, which is basically young iPhone owners i think the goofytronic design is more aimed at the android owners -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO -- Classic

2012-02-03 Thread David J Brooks
Almost bought one of those, glad i didn't Dave On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:05 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Enough about the K-01, though there is something in common here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20classic.html Equipment::  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
steve harley wrote: on 2012-02-03 07:45 Mark Roberts wrote There's no *need* to change that: It's perfect for the market segment the K-01 is targeted at (which ain't us). i dream of a world with lots of design and no target markets Yep. That's a dream all right. ;-) -- Mark Roberts -

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 01:40 Bong Manayon wrote Funny you should mention a toaster, I happen to need one. And yeah, a toaster is a toaster is a toaster--so long they work there is nothing really that compels me to any particular brand or model but as long it is not ridiculously priced because it

Re: Lens road map

2012-02-03 Thread Darren Addy
Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? Now a 550mm or 600mm lens on a full frame, would be much more likely to be

Re: Peso triple sphere

2012-02-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
An interesting abstract look. Not sure about the framing. Perhaps cropping some off the top would be a plus. Paul On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:05 PM, David J Brooks wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15103972 This should have been a multi exposure shot, but i failed to move the curser

Re: Lens road map

2012-02-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? I want one for my

Re: Lens road map

2012-02-03 Thread Jack Davis
I'd secretly (my wife is listening) like to see a 400mm f/4 or 4.5 and a quality 1.4 T/C. Jack ;-) From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Lens road map On

Re: Peso triple sphere

2012-02-03 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: An interesting abstract look. Not sure about the framing. Perhaps cropping some off the top would be a plus. Paul Yes framing in the dark.:-) Probably should use the 16-45 and get a wider view for better crops.

OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Igor Roshchin
Rick Womer wrote: I have this nifty new receiver, which sounds great--a huge improvement over my 38-year-old Pioneer. What puzzles me is the volume control: Minimum volume is -90dB (mute), and maximum is +15dB. Huh? What is zero dB? Is it an arbitrary point? Is it linked to some

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: What is zero dB? Is it an arbitrary point? Is it linked to some undisclosed property of the unit? Typically, 0 dB represents 1 mW (milliWatt). The formula for power is L_dB= 10 log_10 * (P1 / P0), where P0=1 mW So, -90 dB - +15 dB

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Igor Roshchin
From s...@trantor.komkon.org Fri Feb 3 12:55:53 2012 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:55:51 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: OT question for electronics geeks Rick Womer wrote: I have this nifty new receiver, which sounds great--a huge improvement

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Cotty wrote: On 2/2/12, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I just watched a small portion of an interview of the designer of the K-01. He mentioned very early on that he had never designed a camera before. At that point, I decided that my initial

RE: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread JC OCONNELL
The 0dB marking is just an arbitrary reference on the unit and volume is marked in dB instead of numbers like 0 thru 10. jco -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:56 PM To: PDML@pdml.net

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I just don't see the point of the K-01. I mean, how the hell are you supposed to use it with anything longer than (say) 150mm lenses? With a DSLR you brace the camera against your hand/head with the other had holding the

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/02/2012 12:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: This is a camera designed for people who are used to taking photos with cell phones. With the DA40, it should be fine. Anything much longer than that, you'll need to use a monopod or a tripod. And they aren't going to like it because it

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
0 db is not an output. It is the amount of attenuation (resistance) that the volume knob puts in the electron path. It is equivalent to full volume and means nothing else -- it has no reference to what that maximum output might be. Therefore ... The more powerful the amplifier the greater the

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill, I think you've found the magic bullet for Pentax Marketing! A Pentax camera that's also a phone and that runs Apps on it's LCD. 'There's nothing like playing Angry Birds on my Pentax, and you can make calls and take pictures too!' Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM, William

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 12:10 Collin Brendemuehl wrote 0 db is not an output. It is the amount of attenuation (resistance) that the volume knob puts in the electron path. It is equivalent to full volume and means nothing else -- it has no reference to what that maximum output might be. sounds great

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
on 2012-02-03 12:10 Collin Brendemuehl wrote 0 db is not an output. It is the amount of attenuation (resistance) that the volume knob puts in the electron path. It is equivalent to full volume and means nothing else -- it has no reference to what that maximum output might be. . sounds great

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Larry Colen
On 2/3/2012 10:57 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: I just don't see the point of the K-01. I mean, how the hell are you supposed to use it with anything longer than (say) 150mm lenses? With a DSLR you brace the camera against

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread kwaller
Have you ever tried to use the LCD in full sunlight, its about useless. I know you can buy a hood but why - something else to loose. As nice as this camera may be for some it definitely holds no advantages for me. Obviously aimed at a different group of users than most of the people on this

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Tom C
I think it's OK to be the cynic here. They put the designer's signature on the product. When was the last time a camera manufacturer did that? -- William Robb To have any real significance (as opposed to importance) one must recognize the name of the designer. If it had said Bertone or

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Tom C
And they aren't going to like it because it doesn't make phone calls, play MP3's or have all sorts of cool apps. -- William Robb Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: This is a camera designed for people who are used to taking photos with cell phones. That statement says more about your bias, Larry, than it does about the camera or its intended audience. I don't understand that statement, Godfrey. I think Larry's exactly right and

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread George Sinos
This discussion is very interesting. My guess is the numbers don't really correspond to any particular value. The designer probably thought the fairly technical numbers gave the front panel a feeling of technicality. Kind of like deciding to make the volume knob go from 1-11 rather than 1-10.

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread P. J. Alling
On 2/3/2012 3:04 PM, Tom C wrote: I think it's OK to be the cynic here. They put the designer's signature on the product. When was the last time a camera manufacturer did that? -- William Robb To have any real significance (as opposed to importance) one must recognize the name of the

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
George Sinos wrote: This discussion is very interesting. My guess is the numbers don't really correspond to any particular value. The designer probably thought the fairly technical numbers gave the front panel a feeling of technicality. This has to be the case: Unless your input is a fixed

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I use the LCD in all kinds of light. Sometimes it's a little difficult to see ... In some types of lighting situations so is an eye-level finder, and the LCD is easier. It's a heck of a lot easier to see an LCD, particularly an articulated LCD, when I have the camera on a short stand a few inches

Re: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread Stan Halpin
On Feb 3, 2012, at 2:45 AM, John Coyle wrote: The link is to a small gallery (4 shots) taken in Bologna, last year. The first image is good enough as a shot of a bunch of university students on a big (graduation) day for them, but on processing the image I thought there might be three

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: This is a camera designed for people who are used to taking photos with cell phones. That statement says more about your bias, Larry, than it does about the camera or its intended

Re: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Stan, Adroit critique. You missed the flash player :-( Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 2:45 AM, John Coyle wrote: The link is to a small gallery (4 shots) taken in Bologna, last year.  The first image is

Re: PESO -- Classic

2012-02-03 Thread Bulent Celasun
Nice design! Though, I would have preferred a slightly different color scheme ;) Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822

OT: Boise CEO Dies in Plane Crash Today

2012-02-03 Thread Tom C
Very OT... probably sharing just as an outlet. Micron (where I consult and have worked off/on for 4 years of the past 11) CEO Steve Appleton died today in the crash of his experimental plane at the Boise airport around 9:00 AM. I didn't know him personally, but he's a prominent figure in this

Re: PESO -- Classic

2012-02-03 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 2/2/2012 1:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Enough about the K-01, though there is something in common here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20classic.html Equipment:: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Two words:

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 13:35 George Sinos wrote This discussion is very interesting. My guess is the numbers don't really correspond to any particular value. The designer probably thought the fairly technical numbers gave the front panel a feeling of technicality. my Yamaha RX-1100 (same brand as

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
steve harley wrote: on 2012-02-03 13:35 George Sinos wrote This discussion is very interesting. My guess is the numbers don't really correspond to any particular value. The designer probably thought the fairly technical numbers gave the front panel a feeling of technicality. my Yamaha

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 12:38 Larry Colen wrote Are the ergonomics not a lot closer to those of a cell phone camera, or a low end point and shoot? to me, it doesn't seem that they are; the controls are a little unsubtle, and we fear they'll lack a refined feel, but the configurable buttons and the

RE: Peso triple sphere

2012-02-03 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
That's pretty cool, Dave! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Sent: February 3, 2012 2/3/12 To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net, Petch Dianne

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Charles Robinson
On Feb 3, 2012, at 15:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I have never owned a cell phone camera (although I'll buy an iPhone 4S sometime later this year, because it has a good camera and that nice, big, sharp LCD to focus and frame with...). Great camera, but I still feel like I'm just millimeters

Re: Ideal jpeg size/quality for the book?

2012-02-03 Thread Tim Bray
What Miserere said. Also, there was a quantitative study published on the Web somewhere in 2010, after which I set the LightRoom export quality slider to 75 and have left it there. -T On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 February 2012 02:37, Larry Colen

Re: OT: Boise CEO Dies in Plane Crash Today

2012-02-03 Thread Christine Nielsen
What a shame.  Especially tough, since it seems this wasn't his first crash.  My husband flies small planes... owns an experimental one, too...  I hate hearing news like this, even though I know all the lines about flying being safer than driving, etc.  I wonder what went wrong...? -c On Fri,

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
It's all bull do-do isn't it? As George said earlier, it's to make it look more technical; I'm sure the numbers on the faceplate bear little relation to any real output, ratios, volts, watts, or anything else. My Creek CAS 4040 has no numbers. Ya turns the volume knob clockwise and the

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: It's all bull do-do isn't it? Well yes, that's the short version. :) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: My Creek CAS 4040 has no numbers. Ya turns the volume knob clockwise and the volume goes up. When it reaches an acceptable level ya stops turning. Too loud? Ya turns the knob the other way. By the way, that Creek 4040 is a *superb* integrated amp. Far better

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: William Robb wrote: On 03/02/2012 2:40 AM, Bong Manayon wrote: So the design people are excited about it, maybe they are the intended market--not us, in the same way the multi-colored K-x/K-r opened the Hello Kitty crowd to DSLRs. The Kx/Kr

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com: On 03/02/2012 9:44 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Pentax may have made a really good choice here. Or maybe not - time will tell. But they probably didn't have the financial resources to do anything else. Yeah, a viewfinder was beyond them.

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I think I've had it for over 20 years now and it is a wonderful sounding amp. Toroidal transformer, discrete components, mosfet power transistors, high current capability. Most important, it sounds great. And it has a very useful volume control. Seriously. ;-) Cheers, frank What can be

Re: PESO -- Classic

2012-02-03 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Enough about the K-01, though there is something in common here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20classic.html Equipment:: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

Re: OT: Boise CEO Dies in Plane Crash Today

2012-02-03 Thread Larry Colen
Which reminds me of John Denver's last song; You fill up my Cessna. (Yeah, I know, it was a Long EZ) On 2/3/2012 2:07 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: What a shame. Especially tough, since it seems this wasn't his first crash. My husband flies small planes... owns an experimental one, too... I

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Larry Colen
On 2/3/2012 2:07 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: It's all bull do-do isn't it? As George said earlier, it's to make it look more technical; I'm sure the numbers on the faceplate bear little relation to any real output, ratios, volts, watts, or anything else. My Creek CAS 4040 has no

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Tim Bray
[sighs heavily] The NAD 3020 was one of the greats. My wife uses my old one downstairs to drive some PSBs plugged into her computer. There's a bit of a scratch in the volume control these days, but otherwise perfect. -T On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Rick Womer
Bull do-do is flattery.  It can be useful fertilizer.  The numbers, on the other hand, are useless. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 15:07 knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote We don't need no stinking numbers. i use the numbers so that i can put the control to a good spot before i actually play the music; it's true, though, that i don't really care what they mean; only venturing to guess what they mean because it

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 14:49 Mark Roberts wrote steve harley wrote: so Yamaha apparently has a tradition of indicating volume in dB; They aren't really indicating volume in dB, they are, as you noted, showing the amount of *attenuation* between pre-amp and power amp in dB. Very different thing. hmmm

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 04:16:53PM -0700, steve harley wrote: on 2012-02-03 14:49 Mark Roberts wrote steve harley wrote: so Yamaha apparently has a tradition of indicating volume in dB; They aren't really indicating volume in dB, they are, as you noted, showing the amount of *attenuation*

Re: Lens road map

2012-02-03 Thread Adam Montoya
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Thu Feb 2 11:45:31 EST 2012 Miserere wrote: On 2 February 2012 10:35, Tim .sleby maritimtim at gmail.com wrote: Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out)

Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 15:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I have never owned a cell phone camera (although I'll buy an iPhone 4S sometime later this year, because it has a good camera and that nice, big, sharp LCD to focus and

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
JC OCONNELL hifis...@gate.net wrote: Typically, 0 dB represents 1 mW (milliWatt). This is only the case with dBm where 0 dBm is indeed 1 mW across 600 Ohm, corresponding to a voltage of 0.775 V. dB with nothing behind expresses any kind of logarithmic ratio. Amplification, attenuation,

RE: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread John Coyle
Thanks Rick: my thought was that the individual images had more dynamism than the larger one, with people moving L-R in the first two. I used PS Elements 9 to create the gallery, and the slideshow seems to be the default: you can, however, click on the numbers at the bottom right to view any one

RE: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread John Coyle
Thanks Stan. I was really intending only to take a general scene, and with the 16-45 it would have been difficult to take closer shots without intruding on the action too much. Finding the three contained images seemed to be a bonus! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original

RE: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread John Coyle
Bob, I've never quite understood the objections to Flash on web sites - surely it's just another tool? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2012 7:15 AM To:

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis wrote: I'm pretty sure the meters on my tape decks, etc. all had a 0 setting around 3/4 of the way along. On the old mechanical ones the area behind the needle past that point was painted red; on the later electronic ones that was where the colour of the indicator lights changed

RE: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread JC OCONNELL
Hey there, Dont misquote me, I didnt state that, someone else did. Seriously, jco PS. I stated the 0dB marking was just arbitrary and the rest Of the dial was marked in dB for reference only to the Arbitrary 0dB marking. In reality an amplifer has a voltage Gain in dB at specific settings of the

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I think I got my Creek in the mid to late 80s. I had considered the NAD and Rotel but for various reasons ended up with the Creek, a decision I never regretted. It's currently fed by a Technics cd player with a Kimber optical link from the transport directly into an MSB d/a converter. It

RE: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread JC OCONNELL
Setting tape recording levels is a tradeoff between distortion and noise. VU meters are different from peak reading digital meters, it gets tricky To find ideal recording levels but for home use with dolby I always liked To use good tape and err on the side of recording too low rather than

RE: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
It's a really nice series, John. I can almost feel the vibrancy and life in the square. Great stuff! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au Sent: February 3, 2012

Portfolio project

2012-02-03 Thread David Parsons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157629121933767/ My camera club has been doing something new since last year. We've been working on portfolios. It's a tough challenge because some of my favorite shots were winnowed out because they just didn't fit with the theme, in my case

Re: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread Larry Colen
On 2/3/2012 4:23 PM, John Coyle wrote: Bob, I've never quite understood the objections to Flash on web sites - surely it's just another tool? It's another tool that uses up bandwidth, doesn't work on a wide variety of browsers, and will often make you wait a long period before being able

RE: GESO - Bologna, three in one

2012-02-03 Thread John Coyle
Thanks Frank. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:51 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: GESO - Bologna, three in one It's a

Re: Portfolio project

2012-02-03 Thread Larry Colen
On 2/3/2012 4:55 PM, David Parsons wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157629121933767/ My camera club has been doing something new since last year. We've been working on portfolios. It's a tough challenge because some of my favorite shots were winnowed out because they

OT - The Best of Russia -- Very interesting photos

2012-02-03 Thread Igor Roshchin
Very interesting set of photos that won the contest The Best Of Russia in 2008-2011: http://live-imho.livejournal.com/160261.html BabelFish translates most of the titles in a reasonable way, but some of the translations are just off the wall, and make the photos rather funny.

RE: Portfolio project

2012-02-03 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
All portraits are of a very high standard. Very well done! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com Sent: February 3, 2012 2/3/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

RE: OT - The Best of Russia -- Very interesting photos

2012-02-03 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Wow! Some amazing and compelling photos there. Thanks for the link. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Sent: February 3, 2012 2/3/12 To: PDML@pdml.net Subject:

Re: OT question for electronics geeks

2012-02-03 Thread steve harley
on 2012-02-03 17:06 Ralf R. Radermacher wrote Faders in studio equipment, e.g. mixing consoles, are usually labelled from minus infinity through 0 dB (the normal open position) to +15 dB. I suppose the manufacturer of the amplifier has put these dB values around the volume knob to make it look

Re: Portfolio project

2012-02-03 Thread Paul Ewins
I think the individual images are just fine, it is just that they are all very different. A portfolio needs to feel cohesive, and there is more to it than just the subject matter. Your portfolio has colour and monochrome, verticals and horizontals, square and rectangular crops, closeups and

PESO - More Teeth

2012-02-03 Thread Rick Womer
On my way to work today, in much different light.  Two crops: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15106593 and http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15106592 (K-7, DA 16-45) Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: OT: You are not a photographer

2012-02-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-02-03 12:28, Larry Colen wrote: Nope, most people these days seem to hold their camera from both edges of the body, elbows out to either side and flopping in the breeze, that is when they aren't holding them at arm's length using live view. Trying to hand hold pretty much anything

FS Friday -- flash and so on...

2012-02-03 Thread Ann Sanfedele
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200704816518?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 I listed it as BIN or best offer... It's a good little flash, it just was hard for me to see what the lefthand knob of istD where you change the ISO and WB etc. also, a K1000 for parts - $10 and if any

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