RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-17 Thread edwin
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Rob Brigham wrote: The FA50 1.4 is lovely. Had no use for that focal length before, but with the 1.5 factor it(or the 43) was a must. My unhappiness with the 77 has nothing to do with the picture quality, just that my favourite lens now has a focal length that it of

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Given the lenses that WERE in my bag (20,28/1.4,50/1.4,85/1.8,180) I have lost my wider apertures and cannot exactly replace some lenses. I have in fact replaced ALL the lenses in my pro bag, primarily with zooms, to compensate--cost me more than the

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-17 Thread Keith Whaley
Cotty wrote: On 17/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Given the lenses that WERE in my bag (20,28/1.4,50/1.4,85/1.8,180) I have lost my wider apertures and cannot exactly replace some lenses. I have in fact replaced ALL the lenses in my pro bag, primarily with zooms, to

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-17 Thread Doug Brewer
At 02:07 PM 10/17/03, throwing caution to the wind, Cotty wrote: What is a pro bag? it's black, natch.

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-16 Thread John Coyle
-60 range: when I had only a 55/1.8 SMC Takumar, they all did! John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again? LOL! Now

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-16 Thread edwin
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REPLY: I'm not convinced. In order for the market to go where you predict in less than five years digital need to offer more than simply not using film which is basically all that there is to digital at present. Mind you, that may be enough

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-15 Thread John Francis
Cotty wrote: C Rob, I bet you are soo relieved you didn't cave in to the Sigma C DSLR a while back ;-) The *ist D is a little cutey. Yes, a nice box but still a box around the sensor. And the cutey thing in Sigma is that Foveon sensor, something I wish to see in a Pentax

Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-15 Thread Ryan Lee
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?) There's one thing that struck me as particularly important - with 5n one cannot

Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-15 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Yep you can't set aperture on the 5n body.. would be useful to have so that they'd be fully compatible with the FAJ lenses. Maybe Pentax has some super post- powerzoom, post-IS, post-HSM innovation which requires lenses to have a basic FAJ circuitry configuration! Or maybe they're

Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-15 Thread Doug Franklin
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:51:30 +1000, Ryan Lee wrote: Though of course MZ-6 has snap in focus, which though is independent of picture more. Hasn't the 5n got snap in focus w/ manual lenses too? The ZX-5/MZ-5 has snap in focus, so I'd think the -5n does, too. do you notice the eyecup of

Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-15 Thread Bill Owens
All Pentax autofocus cameras support snap in focus. Bill - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?) On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:51:30

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again? How are the normals on the *ist D? I noticed that some were saying their 77 wasn;t as good as it used to be. I was wondering how the FA50 1.4 or the 43 ltd were with the 1.5 factor. The 77 seems

Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-15 Thread Ryan Lee
Thanks for clearing that one up Bill! Ryan - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?) All Pentax autofocus cameras support snap

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-15 Thread graywolf
That is what digital hasn't got. It, in my opinion, comes from the fine nuances of shading you get with film and not with digital. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again? The FA*24 and 77ltd don't give me an fov that suits

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-15 Thread Alan Chan
The FA50 1.4 is lovely. Had no use for that focal length before, but with the 1.5 factor it(or the 43) was a must. My unhappiness with the 77 has nothing to do with the picture quality, just that my favourite lens now has a focal length that it of little use to me. And who says longer is better?

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-15 Thread Rob Brigham
. Same goes for the 30-60 range for me. -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2003 22:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again? The FA50 1.4 is lovely. Had no use for that focal length before, but with the 1.5 factor

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again? The FA*24 and 77ltd don't give me an fov that suits me ibn the ist either - and they are my fave lenses *sigh* Disappointing isn't it. Something that is really dissapointing, my 77 doesn't have

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell
The digital gear is great for all those photographic exploits where convenience and speed is far more important than absolute quality. My aim is to continue shooting MF film for as long as I can and all smaller format work will be digital. Of course I'd be putting film through my classic 35mm

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-14 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Oct 2003 at 1:04, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Problem with that thinking is that digital has already matched/beaten medium format film in most the cameras in terms of grain/noise and the latest 10-14 Mpixels models are giving it a run for the money in terms of resolution. Might be beat

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Rob Brigham
Pentax missed again? And, of course, in three years it's not that hard for even a $1500 camera to pay for itself; my normal film is Provia 100F. Processed and mounted I don't get all that much change from $20 for a single roll (though there are discounts for quantity). I'll shoot more than

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread b_rubenstein
This is not true because it ignores the difference between price and value. Price is established when you sell something. Value is what it is worth to you. A computer or DSLR may have a low resale price, but still be perfectly capable of producing perfectly adequate work. A 6mp DSLR that

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Rob Brigham
they were records of a moment/mood/expression. Some of these shots alone mean the camera has already paid for itself to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 October 2003 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Paul Ewins
Fortunately I've found a small independent one-hour lab operated by a guy who treats my film as if it were his own, and who takes good care of his equipment, but it's not the dip-and-dunk I could get two years ago. Another sign is the crash in value of processing gear. I bought a Jobo CPP with

RE: Has Pentax missed again (More shots)

2003-10-13 Thread Pentxuser
I agree with this argument. Everyone I have talked to who owns digital says they shoot more now than they ever did with film. They experiment more and the results show it... It's an argument in favour of digital that often gets overlooked. The down side that gets overlooked is the amount of

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Amita Guha
But film is fun, ans ome of us will continue to use it. It's a different medium. Remember, they didn't stop using oil paints when film was invented. Yep. After all, I can still get 120 film for my Yashicamat.

Re: Has Pentax missed again (More shots)

2003-10-13 Thread Jim Apilado
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:23:49 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again (More shots) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:24:00 -0400 . The down side that gets overlooked is the amount

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Friday, Oct 10, 2003, at 19:28 America/New_York, Alan Chan wrote: Don't forget Canon took everyone by surprise with their Rebel Digital which was released later. Perhaps Pentax knew that. But if not, Pentax didn't choose not to compete with it, but forced not to. There is a big difference.

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Robert Gonzalez
Precision camera in Austin. Where are you located? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert G posted: I had my first look at a camera store near me and it looks like a winner. Very light! But very solid. Which camera store ... ?

Re: Has Pentax missed again (More shots)

2003-10-13 Thread ernreed2
Wendy posted: At 10:49 AM 13/10/2003 -0400, Vic wrote: The down side that gets overlooked is the amount of time needed to tweak and file all the digital images. Have to agree with that. On the other hand, shooting digital has forced me to catalogue and backup my shots. I now have a CD (or

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mike Ignatiev Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again? thanks for a great econ 101; i hate to break it to you, but MP = MV. a $8000 PC from 20 years ago would still run its original software just fine, and is screen would still show those gorgeous 4 shades

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread John Francis
passed by before you are convinced that the outlay on the digital was worth it. -Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 October 2003 04:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? And, of course, in three years it's

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Rob Brigham
I don't disagree about the value of digital - in fact I was one of the 'others' who noted this! I was just staggered at how much you are paying! Provia for me is £3 per film. Process/Mount by Fuji is £4 - could get cheaper but I am more than happy with them. 3 of the lot for £20. Neg film

Re: Has Pentax missed again (More shots)

2003-10-13 Thread Jim Apilado
PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:27:16 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again (More shots) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:27:32 -0400 At 10:49 AM 13/10/2003 -0400, Vic wrote: The down side that gets overlooked is the amount of time

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: The technology is accelerating at a rate that is perhaps one hundred times what we are used to in the film world. I can't see spending $1500 for a six megapixel camera. In two or three years it will be a paperweight. How so Paul? I expect to be shooting

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread ernreed2
Precision camera in Austin. Where are you located? San Antonio. And Precision Camera was who I thought you might have meant. (Been there once. Bought my Optio 550 there.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert G posted: I had my first look at a camera store near me and it looks like a

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Ignatiev
a $8000 PC from 20 years ago would still run its original software just fine, and is screen would still show those gorgeous 4 shades of green... And you just compared the computer equivalent of rubbing two sticks together or using a Zippo to start a campfire. William Robb that

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread mike wilson
Hi, Rob Brigham wrote: However, when I am taking more artistic stuff like landscapes etc (which is my passion) confusion If landscape is what trips your shutter, _why_ go digital and not large format? /confusion mike

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Rob Brigham
, but then I always go for the underdog! -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 October 2003 19:52 To: pentax list Subject: RE: Has Pentax missed again? On 13/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I have taken over 600 shots in my istD in the last month. I

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Rob Brigham
in that respect. Digital would be too - at a stretch, if only it could do wide angles. -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 October 2003 21:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? Hi, Rob Brigham wrote: However, when I am

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread mike wilson
Hi, Rob Brigham wrote: I have thought about it, honestly, for many years - but it just seems like too much of a pain in the a**e. I really like the look of the 645, didn't really like the 67 (sorry brothers), especially the finder. Its been a constant should I, shouldn't I situation. I

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Rob Brigham
Well I've got the cape, and I did feel the force of the dark side (oops sorry, you said dark slide!) for a long while, but then Pentax brought out a DSLR called the Yoda*ist, which saved me from the evil Canon Trade Federation for now! I love the mechanics of some of the LF cameras, from an

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Peter Alling
Pentax missed again? The shop's website lists the *ist-D with FA-J 18-35mm for NZ$4095 (US$2457). The Canon 300D with EF-S 18-55mm is NZ$2250 (US$1350). What are the US street prices for these kits? The Canadian street for the 300D with the 18-55 is $1599.00, the ist D with the 18-35

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread Bill Owens
: David Mann Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? The shop's website lists the *ist-D with FA-J 18-35mm for NZ$4095 (US$2457). The Canon 300D with EF-S 18-55mm is NZ$2250 (US$1350). What are the US street prices for these kits? The Canadian street for the 300D with the 18

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? Since we don't have a Native SLR industry, (or for that matter camera manufacturers) they can't be accused of dumping. Well, not quite. Dumping is classified under GATT as selling a good for less than

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Pål Jensen
Steve wrote: I don't think film will end for a long time, but once it becomes a niche market it's dead as far as the camera makers are concerned. I don't expect any further development in 35 mm SLRs. They'll be a heathy market, however, in older equipment and this alone will keep a revenue

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Pål Jensen
Alin wrote: Hopefully Pentax doesn't share your opinion. The DSLR potential market _is_huge_ - virtually every film SLR owner is going to eventually buy a DSLR in the next five years or so. Especially when the industry starts to drop film support and DSLRs enter the mid level SLR price

Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-12 Thread sarbu
are made from steel :-) ) - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? Except that Pentax *has* been going there for a long time. Their entry-level film SLRs aren't any

Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Do you have any info about the MZ-6 (or other cameras) internal structure? Alex Sarbu (who wants Heavy Metal-style cameras. Hmm... I've heard that Zenits are made from steel :-) ) You're one lucky fellow - I just happen to have MZ-6 and used to have Zenit back in Moscow. I don't know

Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?)

2003-10-12 Thread Ryan Lee
not compatible with older lenses. I'm not sure how the 6 compares with the 7 though. Rgds, Ryan From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is my MZ-6 a plastic toy? (was: Has Pentax missed again?) Yes, Zenint is close to undestructuble. Not invincible though - your child can still put

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Eactivist
REPLY: I'm not convinced. In order for the market to go where you predict in less than five years digital need to offer more than simply not using film which is basically all that there is to digital at present. Mind you, that may be enough for many but not convincing enough for a wholesale

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? To my way of thinking, no film is a pretty big advantage. So, just curious, what else could DSLRs offer? Resolution as good as medium

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Alan Chan
I think consumers are going to be forced into digital, whether they like it or not, if they are going to continue to take pictures. At least I can feel the pressure too. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ MSN 8 with e-mail

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think film will continue to be available for hobbyists. But pros will eventually be forced into digital. But not until 10 megapixel cameras are widely available for less than $1000. When will that happen? Two to three years at most. But film is fun, ans ome of us will continue to use it. It's a

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Alan Chan
What I am worrying is that good quality processing might become harder and harder to find in the near future. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan I think film will continue to be available for hobbyists. But pros will eventually be forced into digital. But not until 10 megapixel cameras are

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Jim Apilado
] Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:14:51 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:14:46 -0400 I think consumers are going to be forced into digital, whether they like it or not, if they are going to continue to take

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread Rob Brigham
Flaider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 October 2003 21:36 To: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? However I'm afraid it's just a matter of time before I have to step in and get a DSLR, simply because it keeps getting harder to put up with the photo-finishing

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread John Francis
What I am worrying is that good quality processing might become harder and harder to find in the near future. Alan Chan Near Future be blowed. In two years I've had to find a new place to get my slides processed twice because the lab I was using closed down, and one of the two labs that

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread ernreed2
Robert G posted: I had my first look at a camera store near me and it looks like a winner. Very light! But very solid. Which camera store ... ?

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-12 Thread John Francis
I can't see spending $1500 for a six megapixel camera. In two or three years it will be a paperweight. No. In two or three years it will still produce 6MP images. That's more than enough for most purposes; it's a full-frame 8x10 print at 300ppi. Unless you're shooting on a tripod, at

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-11 Thread Butch Black
Hi I just noticed an unusual phenomenon. While pretty much everybody online is selling the 300D kit ($999 US) I can't find anyone listing the *ist-D kit. The *ist-D body is going for $1699 US. I checked Adorama, BH, Calumet, Ritz, and State Street. Does anyone else find that unusual? (or am I

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: The shop's website lists the *ist-D with FA-J 18-35mm for NZ$4095 (US$2457). The Canon 300D with EF-S 18-55mm is NZ$2250 (US$1350). What are the US street prices for these kits? The Canadian street for the 300D with the 18-55 is $1599.00, the ist D

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-11 Thread Eactivist
A lot of people are predicting the end of film but I don't buy it. Yes more and more people are moving to digital but there are still millions of film cameras out there that will continue to be used for decades. I think people are beginning to panick a little too much about the future of film.

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully Pentax doesn't share your opinion. The DSLR potential market _is_huge_ - virtually every film SLR owner is going to eventually buy a DSLR in the next five years or so. Especially when the industry starts to

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
I dont deny that the market potential is huge, just that Pentax have not really taken to it, leaving it for the other manufactures to fight over. Whilst in the point and shoot arena, they are the market leaders. That would be a bad thing to give up for them. I am quite happy with the meagre

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread b_rubenstein
This is interesting perception of Canon, because it means folks have a short memory. Ignoring the Kodak/Nikon/Canon DSLRs for the moment, The Nikon D1 was out well before the Canon D30. Canon was playing catchup to Nikon in the begining (at least a year). Now things are back to the status quo

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Bob S
Alin, Every computer store, every electronics store, every large floor space, mass merchandise store carries digital point-n-shoot. Only the best, pro camera store will carry a 35mm digital, and they are dropping Pentax 35mm. The market here in the USA is clearly point-n-shoot. Christmas

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Alan Chan wrote: Unfortunately, when it comes to PS digital, Canon Sony are the leading players. Pentax ( Olympus) might be the winner in the old day with film based PS, but these products are losing their ground. And I must say, none of the current Pentax digital PS

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 20:43 America/New_York, Joseph Tainter wrote: The issue is gaining market share. Newcomers are more frequently swayed by price. It is not until they are more experienced that they realize they will need those extra-cost features. Newcomers will buy this Canon, not

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Chris Brogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I admit to being a little confused as to why more people don't like Pentax's ps digitals. Pentax has always excelled at putting out small, well-featured, well-built products. They're rarely the first on the market,

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread alex wetmore
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, tom wrote: Right now the p+s I'd like to get is that Pentax w/ the 24mm. Which model is this? One more thing...with digital sensor sizes, it seems to me there's an opportunity for a new class of p+s, a fixed lens camera with a seriously fast lens. How about a p+s with a

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: alex wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, tom wrote: Right now the p+s I'd like to get is that Pentax w/ the 24mm. Which model is this? Espio 24EW. I just checked, the lens is kind of slow. One more thing...with digital sensor

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Bob S
Alan, I hear you, but have to wonder. Will the current crop of 25 year olds ever move to a digital SLR? They don't know anything about film qualities. When they need to replace that old 5 megapixel Sony, will it be another point-n-shoot with 15 megapixels? I don't know how long it will be before

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread edwin
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Alin Flaider wrote: Kevin wrote: KW I really dont think Pentax is too fussed about the dSLR market, consentrating KW more on point and shoot folks is where the dollars are. Hopefully Pentax doesn't share your opinion. The DSLR potential market _is_huge_ -

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Treena
digital slr market, I'd just as soon Pentax didn't go there. - Original Message - From: Juey Chong Ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Has Pentax missed again? On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 20:43 America/New_York, Joseph Tainter

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread edwin
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting perception of Canon, because it means folks have a short memory. Ignoring the Kodak/Nikon/Canon DSLRs for the moment, The Nikon D1 was out well before the Canon D30. Canon was playing catchup to Nikon in the begining (at

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Friday, Oct 10, 2003, at 13:34 America/New_York, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax, Minolta, and Olympus aren't playing the cutting-edge-pro-technology game because at this point Nikon and Canon have a huge lead. imho, Olympus is going one further by playing the bleeding edge pro game. And

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread John Francis
I'm sure that the market for SLRs of any kind is pretty small, and getting smaller every year. The 35mm SLR was successful against the cameras of the day because it was smaller, lighter, and cheaper. The picture quality wasn't as good, but it was good enough. And the SLR design was ideal for

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread graywolf
Unfortunately Pentax no longer fills up warehouses before shipping. They tend to sell faster than the dealers can get them. How many Pentax digitals do you have in stock, Chris? How long do they sit around the store? Now, tell us, where is your store again (grin)? Go to a mass marketer. Look

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
I admit to being a little confused as to why more people don't like Pentax's ps digitals. Pentax has always excelled at putting out small, well-featured, well-built products. They're rarely the first on the market, but they're usually worth the wait. Not that I can see for the digital market so

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
Pentax will price it and market it to meet their targets, whatever they are. The *ist-D is no Rebel Digital. They compete in different segments. If Pentax wanted to compete with a Rebel Digital, they would have called it a ZX-D or something like that. Don't forget Canon took everyone by

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
imho, Olympus is going one further by playing the bleeding edge pro game. And they're waging a pretty extensive media campaign by getting Doug Dubler to do the ads. Interestingly they run Fuji film and Olympus ads in the same magazine featuring the same model --- perhaps to imply that the

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread John Francis
I remember those days. Those big heavy ugly DSLRs which were not designed for the general public, but press photographers only. Even so, few were using them. I guess it depends where you looked. In my experience as soon as the D1 came out you could hardly find an F5 in the media centre at

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread John Francis
Perhaps I have a different way to approach the digital products. The 1st thing I check is the picture quality. If they aren't good, I don't care. Why bother to produce a 5MP model when the images are(sic) that good anyway? Have you checked the Canon PowerShot G1/2/3/4/5? The Olympus 30x0

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
Have you checked the Canon PowerShot G1/2/3/4/5? The Olympus 30x0 series? The image quality of each of those that I've tested seems perfectly adequate for any situation where I'd consider using a 35mm camera without using flash. I haven't looked at the Nikon CoolPix 5700 in detail, but a

RE: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, tom wrote: There are 2 types of p+s I'd like. One is the small, pocketable, take-it-anywhere type, the other is the larger serious type. I'd take a Pentax for the former and a G5 for the latter *except* that they just don't go wide enough. Digital p+s' in particular seem

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Chris Brogden
Except that Pentax *has* been going there for a long time. Their entry-level film SLRs aren't any better built than Canon's Rebels or Nikon's F55/F75. As fun as it is to slag Canon, it's not really fair to criticize a Rebel for falling apart when used professionally day in and day out. They're

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, graywolf wrote: Unfortunately Pentax no longer fills up warehouses before shipping. They tend to sell faster than the dealers can get them. How many Pentax digitals do you have in stock, Chris? How long do they sit around the store? Now, tell us, where is your store again

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris posted: I admit to being a little confused as to why more people don't like Pentax's ps digitals. Pentax has always excelled at putting out small, well-featured, well-built products. They're rarely the first on the market, but

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Alan Chan wrote: I admit to being a little confused as to why more people don't like Pentax's ps digitals. Pentax has always excelled at putting out small, well-featured, well-built products. They're rarely the first on the market, but they're usually worth the wait.

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
but they are exactly so unique to draw much attention from the competitions. Damn, I mean aren't, not are. :-) And it's a matter of perspective. I don't expect my SLR to fit in my pocket, so why should I expect my ps to take as good a photo as my SLR? If it could, I wouldn't need the SLR. :)

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
It's the rumored, but not yet announced, D2X that I'm waiting for. BR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Nikon D2H, which very few if any people actually have in their hands right now but is promised this month, is better than the equivalent Canon EOS-1D. Canon isn't sitting still, of course, so

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The D1 was based on the F100. It came out around a year before the D30. You're thinking of the Kodak/Nikon hybreds. BR From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember those days. Those big heavy ugly DSLRs which were not designed for the general public, but press photographers only. Even so, few

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread ernreed2
John Francis quoted Alan Chan and posted a comment: Perhaps I have a different way to approach the digital products. The 1st thing I check is the picture quality. If they aren't good, I don't care. Why bother to produce a 5MP model when the images are(sic) that good anyway? Have you

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread ernreed2
John Francis quoted Alan Chan and posted a comment: Perhaps I have a different way to approach the digital products. The 1st thing I check is the picture quality. If they aren't good, I don't care. Why bother to produce a 5MP model when the images are(sic) that good anyway? Have you

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread ernreed2
Chris posted, among many other things: Optical quality is important to me, but I don't have excessive expectations for ps digital. It's hard to find a 5MP digital that takes really bad photos, and I'd feel comfortable enlarging the Optio 550's shots to 5x7. I haven't made any 8x10's with

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
For that matter, have you seen images from the Pentax Optio 550?? I just checked the samples from dpreview imaging resource and they aren't as good as the other 5MP models I prefer. Not that 550 is bad, but there are better choices. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread ernreed2
For that matter, have you seen images from the Pentax Optio 550?? I just checked the samples from dpreview imaging resource and they aren't as good as the other 5MP models I prefer. Not that 550 is bad, but there are better choices. Alan Chan I saw some of those samples when I was

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Chan
I saw some of those samples when I was researching the camera myself, and really wondered if it would be a good choice for me (but still determined to try it). However, since using the camera and seeing my own results, I've been wondering just how they got those poor-quality samples. I would

Re: Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-10 Thread ernreed2
I wrote: I saw some of those samples when I was researching the camera myself, and really wondered if it would be a good choice for me (but still determined to try it). However, since using the camera and seeing my own results, I've been wondering just how they got those poor-quality

Has Pentax missed again?

2003-10-09 Thread Joseph Tainter
The November Pop Photo arrived today, complete with an article on Canon's new dSLR selling for $899. Yep, $899. It lacks a bunch of features, but otherwise has the same sensor as the 10D and apparently takes marvelous photos. The issue is gaining market share. Newcomers are more frequently

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