In a message dated 4/26/2007 9:45:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Used to be the USDA certified meant
something, now it means nothing at all.
All too true.
Marnie aka Doe :-(
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Warning: I am now filtering
In a message dated 4/26/2007 5:46:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich.
Most appreciated!
Shel
I hope you've eaten it by now. Beef keeps a while, but not that long.
Marnie aka Doe ;-)
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/26 Thu PM 06:06:09 GMT
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From: Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef
On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're all waiting for:
1. Photos!
2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it?
and
3. How's the Bokeh ?
Is that served on the side?
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That's what the tinned stuff is ( although my Mum's are much nicer)
I have them on my sandwich at work almost every day.
Cheers,
Dave
On 4/26/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: David Savage
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef
On 4/26/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is
hidden protectionism.
The issue
Kenneth Waller
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From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're all waiting for:
1. Photos!
2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you
Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're all waiting for:
1. Photos!
2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you
Kenneth Waller
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Kenneth Waller
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From: David Savage
, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Kenneth Waller
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From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're all waiting for:
1. Photos
In a message dated 4/27/2007 9:53:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
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Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings, gravy, and
roast potatoes.
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Better still
Well, MIke, that's not quite correct. Some of it is, and many of us here
won't eat it either. But there is a lot of beef that is not treated with
antibiotics, hormones, steroids, and which is not produced by being raised
in crowded feedlots in stinking conditions. One just has to know where to
Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich.
Most appreciated!
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On Apr 26, 2007, at 7:42, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich.
Most appreciated!
We're all waiting for:
1. Photos!
2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it?
-Charles
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And remember, it was you Brits who helped start the American beef industry
.. LOL
That's like blaming the Chinese for WWI. 8-)
Suprisingly, there has never been an case of BSE in a British beef herd because
the disease does not present symptoms
We're all waiting for:
1. Photos!
2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it?
and
3. How's the Bokeh ?
Kenneth Waller
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From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On Apr 26, 2007
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
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Throw
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/26 Thu PM 02:33:08 GMT
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We're all waiting for:
1. Photos!
2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like
, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings, gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
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Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American beef is so
full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be imported to the EU and as for
British beef
. J. Alling
Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
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I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:26:19 +0100
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going
: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
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so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards for
Europe do not include
Tom C wrote:
I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I
wonder what the politicians eat.
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, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
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:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL
: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America.
I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply?
Regards, Bob S.
On 4/26/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several
P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is
hidden protectionism.
The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics
because of their overuse in livestock.
Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger.
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Sent: 26 April 2007 17:27
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Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America.
I wonder how Mad Cow
I think that's an issue after the fact. Although I could be wrong about
that.
Mark Roberts wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is
hidden protectionism.
The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics
P. J. Alling wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is
hidden protectionism.
The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics
because of their overuse in livestock.
Antibiotic-resistant
But made from only the finest Italian virgins...
(See Re: OT help with print spooler. for further explanation).
Christian wrote:
Tom C wrote:
I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I
wonder what the politicians eat.
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What I'm saying is that I don't think your point valid as it may be, had
much to do with the EU's original rational for prohibition of US beef.
Mark Roberts wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much of that is real health
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From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is
hidden protectionism.
The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics
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So that consumer lobby and european standards protected your food
supply from Mad Cow?Regards, Bob S.
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From: P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
What I'm saying is that I don't think your point valid as it may be, had
much to do with the EU's original rational for prohibition of US beef.
Counter-protectionism.
William Robb
On 26/4/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
Tom C wrote:
I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I
wonder what the politicians eat.
Soylent Green
Actually Soylent Brown (q.v.)
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From: Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America.
I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply?
Give yer head a shake Bob.
We've had several BSE cases in Western
Give yer head a shake Bob.
We've had several BSE cases in Western Canada over the past couple of
years,
and if you think with the way our two country's beef industries are
integrated you haven't had a few yourself, you are kidding yourself.
The major difference between the way our ranchers differ
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, obviously not. But when it happened we were able to do something
about it, and we're able to learn from our mistakes. I've noticed that
in the USA, on the other hand, corporate interests seem to override
the interests of consumers in almost all situations where
It's a vicious circle too, since most of the antibiotics get pissed out,
find their way into the ground water and bugger things up royally, by both
killing desirable microbes, and causing both good and bad to mutate into
things less than desirable.
William Robb
Live and Let Die?
Tom C.
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On 4/26/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Give yer head a shake Bob.
We've had several BSE cases in Western Canada over the past couple of
years,
and if you think with the way our two country's beef industries are
Ahh! Thought it tasted a little funny.
Tom C.
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:19:41 -0500
They are chipmunks
Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they don't allow
antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now, remind me again,
who is having the problem with diseased animals?
But personally, I think the mad cows should be given free psychiatric
care. A psychiatrist in every
graywolf wrote:
Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they don't allow
antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now, remind me
again,
who is having the problem with diseased animals?
The reason for not allowing antibiotics has nothing to do with diseased
animals
On 26/4/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they don't allow
antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now, remind me again,
who is having the problem with diseased animals?
Not us.
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Date: 4/26/2007 10:41:00 AM
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P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much
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Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they
don't allow
antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now,
remind me again,
who is having the problem with diseased animals
/26/2007 10:41:00 AM
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
P. J. Alling wrote:
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is
hidden protectionism.
The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics
because of their overuse
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From: Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
They are chipmunks Tom, we just fed them steroids.
So why aren'ty they called Big Rockys?
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They are chipmunks Tom, we just fed them steroids.
So why aren'ty they called Big Rockys?
William Robb
You tell me Bullwinkle!
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OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef
sandwich.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes
well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue.
What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast
beef sandwich.
Mustard and horseradish both
I don't eat a lot of roast beef, mostly just turkey. I am impressed
that you can remember the *year* you last had one though :)
http://www.pbs.org/everydayfood/recipes/roast_beef.html
have fun!
Russ
On 4/25/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK gang, this may be one of the
My favorite: Rye bread, Russian dressing, roast beef,
a slice of Swiss cheese, topped with cole slaw. Messy
but delectable!
Rick
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions
asked on the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few
I like black pepper and a smidge of mayo. If its from a store, i'l
throw a slice of lettuce on it. If its from a left over roast in the
oven at home, no lettuce.
Dave
On 4/25/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in
Do you have to wait a 1/2 hour before touching a camera with that
sandwich, Rick.
LOL
Dave
On 4/25/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My favorite: Rye bread, Russian dressing, roast beef,
a slice of Swiss cheese, topped with cole slaw. Messy
but delectable!
Rick
--- Shel Belinkoff
I'm partial to roast beef on rye with mayo, horseradish and pickles. A thin
slice of cheddar is also good. Ditto, very thin onion slices.
Paul
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked
On a nice fresh crusty roll (or a portion of a French stick):
- Cream cheese (or mayonnaise, or both)
- Hot or wholegrain mustard (depends on my mood)
- My mothers home made tomato relish or cauliflower pickle (could be
hard to find in the US :-)
- Roast beef
- Beetroot (A very Australian
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but
Paul's suggestion is pretty much my choice, too. Use rye bread
w/caraway seeds. I'm not a fan of straight horseradish, so I mix it
w/the mayo to get a tangy spread, change the cheddar to colby-jack
cheese, no pickles on the sandwich, but a really good kosher dill on the
side.
Warm the roast beef, slice a soft but toasted crust ciabatta bread
roll, a touch of salt and pepper, a sprinkle of shredded swiss
cheese, maybe a touch of mayo... mmm, satori. ;-)
G
On Apr 25, 2007, at 5:31 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked
This isn't a camera list, is it? It's a culinary society with a
Pentax addiction.
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Wasn't it Pentax that came out with the pancake lens?
Shel
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This isn't a camera list, is it? It's a culinary society with a
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On 4/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This isn't a camera list, is it? It's a culinary society with a
Pentax addiction.
Too true. I've been a lover of food longer than I've been interested
in Pentax. (as my waistline will attest :-)
Cheers,
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From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Wasn't it Pentax that came out with the pancake lens?
That was Nikon (40mm/2.8 GN).
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No; I can lick my fingers in just 90 seconds!
--- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you have to wait a 1/2 hour before touching a
camera with that
sandwich, Rick.
LOL
Dave
On 4/25/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My favorite: Rye bread, Russian dressing, roast
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings, gravy, and
roast potatoes.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef
Not roast beef, but very nice. Left over roast lamb and tomato sauce
(ketchup), doesnt sound great, but is reallu nice :) very australian!
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles.
Almost anything goes well with roast beef. I was going to say, but
peanut butter, then I remember this really good hot and sour beef with
peanuts dish I had at a Chinese restaurant once. Roast beef has a strong
enough flavor that you are not likely to drown it out even with spicy
mustard and
On a nice fresh crusty roll (or a portion of a French stick):
- Cream cheese (or mayonnaise, or both)
- Hot or wholegrain mustard (depends on my mood)
- My mothers home made tomato relish or cauliflower pickle (could be
hard to find in the US :-)
- Roast beef
- Beetroot (A very Australian
On 4/26/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On a nice fresh crusty roll (or a portion of a French stick):
- Cream cheese (or mayonnaise, or both)
- Hot or wholegrain mustard (depends on my mood)
- My mothers home made tomato relish or cauliflower pickle (could be
hard to find in the US
Walter Hamler wrote:
Dave, is the beetroot you refer to the same as what we call Beets here in
the US? Purple color on the outside and sometimes all purple when it has
been processed and canned?
When I was in NZ years ago I was surprised to find beets on my hamburger
purchased at a small
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From: David Savage
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Yep, it's the same stuff. Also, roasted fresh beets go great with any
roast meat, as well as Harvard beets. It's a much underrated
vegetable.
I tend to think of it as the local
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